The Islanders Needs, Depth Chart at 12:00, July 1, 2010
by Dominik on Jun 30, 2010 6:04 PM EDT
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Garth Snow watchers* know he doesn't need to act fast on July 1 to fill out his roster. After the initial big-spender frenzy dies, there are always bargains. Nobody puts Snowy in a corner.
*Query: Could Snow be a Russian spy? He has been fond of Russians lately, and he did convince a Chinese businessman to pay a Russian hockey player many millions to leave. Just sayin'.
Just because Snow doesn't have to rush doesn't mean we can't play the role of impatient, coffee-mainlining, free agent-hungry fan on this, the most glorious non-hockey playing week on the Gregorian calendar. (Say what you will about the tenets of Roman Catholicism, Dude, but at least it led to a tidy calendar. Not every man has the means to make 10 days disappear -- and as a man I have to admire that Feb. 14 was one of them.)
So without repeating the needs/wants post from yesterday, here is a more graphic look (ooh! tables!) at how the Islanders depth chart stands at this moment on the eve of the silly season. Plus, I just had to add a little more on which targets {cough:Martin} would make perfect round pegs for those round holes on the blueline:
Forwards
| Moulson* | Tavares | Okposo |
| Bailey*** | Comeau | |
| Weight** | Nielsen | Hunter |
| Schremp |
*Moulson is an RFA, but he'll sign. **Weight is an UFA, but he will, too. ***Yeah, maybe Bailey is a LW. And Comeau. Heck, maybe Tavares is, too. You get the idea: There are still holes at forward.
Candidates for promotion/regular work include: Left wings Matt Martin, Jesse Joensuu and Trevor Gillies. People are going to suggest Nino Niederreiter, too.
Dream candidates for replacements: Manny Malhotra at center for faceoff and defensive ability (Yes, that means the logjam/Bailey shift remains at center). Alexander Frolov (for the gaping hole at left wing, but he's a KHL or big-money risk). Not dreamy exactly, but for size and/or brutality: Raffi Torres. Eric Nystrom. Arron Asham [update: Via Botta, Asham is on the job hunt.]
Candidates if you desire diminishing returns: Alex Tanguay, Paul Kariya. Pavol Demitra, Lee Stempniak, Owen Nolan, Bill Guerin (remember?), John Madden, Christopher Higgins. In other words, run, run far away -- unless you believe they can convert their engines to run on used cooking oil, with the byproduct delivered to Kate Murray's office.
"Wait, Don't Go" Candidates: Richard Park and Jon Sim are UFAs.
Bottom Line: There just isn't a whole lot out there on the market at forward. Have to figure Matt Martin or A Finn Named Jesse initially makes the team, with Gillies as a spot enforcer. The question of whether Nino is rushed earns a spot through sheer Swiss ingenuity is one the Isles simply can't answer in July, so they need to insure against it.
Defense
| Hillen | Streit |
| MacDonald | Martinek |
| Kohn | Gervais |
| Reese |
Caveats: Martinek is a perennial injury risk, Gervais should really be a third-pair guy at best, and Kohn and Reese are not yet (ever?) NHL defensemen. Reese impressed me, but I wouldn't make any decisions based on that small sample; maybe he claims the #7 spot. Brendan Witt still has a year on his contract, though he was demoted to the AHL last year and, to my knowledge, has not located a youth-restoring miracle drug.
Candidates for promotion/regular work include: No one right off the bat. But maybe Dylan Reese or Dustin Kohn or Travis Hamonic or (gasp) Calvin de Haan will buck for promotions in camp. (Obviously I'm hoping the Isles add the kind of NHL bodies that make that impossible.) Mark Katic was doing well in the "A" before injuries last year. Probably don't want to mention Witt here. I could still picture Freddy Meyer getting a call if needed.
Dream candidates for replacements:
| Paul Martin | 6'1", 201, age 29, shoots left |
| Anton Volchenkov | 6'1", 226, age 28, shoots left |
| Zbynek Michalek | 6'2", 210, age 27, shoots right |
| Pavel Kubina | 6'4", 250, age 33, shoots right |
| Dan Hamhuis | 6'1", 209, age 27, shoots left |
| Kurtis Foster | 6'5", 223, age 28, shoots right |
(Not that weight and handedness are the determining factors here, but they help you look at the depth chart.)
Candidates if you desire diminishing returns: Sergei Gonchar, Andy Sutton. Willie Mitchell. Joe Corvo. Nick Boyton. Carlo Calaiacovo. Jay McKee (i.e. Witt: Redux). Derek Morris (If any of you mention Garnet Exelby you will be banned on sight.)
Bottom Line: As I've pleaded ad nauseum the Islanders have the money to wow one of those bigger candidates, and I think they have the need. I'm expecting that kind of move in an "I'm a customer and I demand satisfaction!" kind of way, though I could see Snow having a couple of targets who don't pan out, then waiting to see if any fall to the aftermarket. If the bidding hits $5 million per or 4+ years though, that's when I'll start to get uncomfortable. This is why it's easy to be a fan, and hard (but fun) to be a GM.
I don't want anyone from that second group of D (yes, even Sutton), but the need is there to upgrade, and sometimes you don't get your man and have to settle for Plan C. On the market as a whole, count on at least one guy to get a silly contract ($5.5+ or 5+ years), and count on at least one guy to sign for what looks like a much better price than the rest. Sometimes this happens, and the reasons are beyond anyone's control other than the GM who landed him.
This time of year is always fun, but it could be even more fun this year since so many teams are nudging the cap, and so many teams are considering buyouts or salary dumps. For an overview of the kind of cap space each team has, Birdwatchers Anonymous has a nice list that factors in qualifying offers/minimum salaries to fill a 22-man roster. Keep in mind though that cap space does not equal money to spend. The Islanders and Blues, to take just two examples who regularly toy with my heart on my radar, operate on a budget well below the cap.
Goalies
Yeah, there are so many masked headcases out there, we'll just deal with that later in the summer, when Islesblogger texts me on the beach that the Isles have signed this year's Marty Biron.
Sorry if this post is repetitive, but some people were asking about the depth chart, so i thought it worth a look. Share your feedback on this in comments here or in the on-going discussions in the previous free agency overview and potpourri threads. Late morning on Thursday, we'll post a new open-thread -- updated as signings come in -- for free agency banter as the starting gun fires at noon EDT. Stay thirsty, my friends. For defensemen.
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Paul Martin and Toni Lydman are my two targets
Martin can complement Streit.
Lydman may come at a bargain price to fill out the third pair.
Stick Hamonic on the second pairing and you have a playoff caliber D Corps.
It’d be ideal to get a big name with a secondary complement/bargain like that. How these chips fall will tell us a lot about how they view the depth chart.
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Needs
The Islanders needs include: everything. Except for Rob Schremp hockey, we’ve got that one covered.
I’m afraid we’re going to be left overpaying for mediocre talent just to hit the floor. Hey, what’s Marius Czerkawski up to these days? I just can’t quit that guy.
you asked...
what’s Marius Czerkawski up to
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Why isn't Tallinder on our radar
He’s a big guy that can play a shutdown role
Would welcome Asham...
Nystrom would be my first choice but if we can’t land him then Asham would be a veteran presence that’s willing to stick up for the young guys. And he can score a little.
It’s not like Asham is washed up; he’s actually improved since he left. I’m not moved by any of the “physical forward” options out there, but he’d fill a need.
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Old school
We can really go crazy and sign Satan, Scatchard, Parrish instead. I am totally joking so you don’t have to disagree with me…though I do have a soft spot in my heart for Scatch
I'm with you
Benoit Hogue! Mikko Makela! Uwe Krupp! We need some great hockey names until Nino and Brock are ready to join the big club.
Of course I'm an expert, I've seen Slap Shot eleven times!
Richard Pilon has recovered from all of his injuries, doctors for Rick DiPietro announced.
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Two Things:
Does Nystrom really want to be that “legacy” guy? Born to follow in his dad’s footsteps?
Asham and Torres again? These two didn’t leave under the best of circumstances, although I still have a Torres autographed puck, Will they want to return here? The Flyers would be stupid again (see Biron) to let A A come back to the Island. I’d accept both here, but they look like long-shots.
As to any list of possibles and maybes or could be FA’s that are gonna look our way, let’s not act like some pre-teen acting adult in Toronto that believes they are a Stanley Cup contender every year… If one “name” player signs with the us, I’ll be happy. There are 30 teams in the league, and if they have the cap space and the money, then they still have an edge over the Islanders.
How old are Paul Kariya and Owen Nolan? Bill Guerin? He didn’t produce at all last year. These guys are last breath,desperate type of guys for a rebuilding team. Weight keeps us in good standing with the senior citizen community.
Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!
Does Nystrom really want to be that "legacy" guy?
Yeah, that’s the question. Personally I think it’s insane if anyone would expect him to be his father — and we’re now up to tens of examples of sons/nephews in the NHL who are totally different from their fathers — but if people were going to be that ridiculous, then yeah, I’d steer clear. For some stupid reason I have more faith in fans than that.
These guys are last breath,desperate type of guys for a rebuilding team
That’s why they were listed under “Candidates if you desire diminishing returns”! Don’t want any part of them, but they’re out there and it will be fun to watch them scramble for jobs.
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I agree
With Ap77. And this is not the year we draw any big FAs. Next year, if the isles have shown chops, we’ll get some interest. I think were gonna end up with someone who we expect to pot 20 goals, and ends up tallying like 9. And prob a Dman that has lost a step and winds up in the box for six minutes a night. No one of mediocre talent should be our burden for more than 2 years, lest it monkey around with retaining our core. And awesome Lebowski allusion.
by IamJacksSplitSave on Jul 1, 2010 7:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Verseeg's gone too.
Oh well, no roster help from Chicago for us. But I think most of us would not have liked the price of prospects for him. They would have wanted the likes of Rakhshani, Cizikis, and Nilsson. Too steep in my mind.
Wanted BIG skilled wingers - Check
pffft
Did you see what they took for him? I’m almost embarrassed. Stalberg, Didomenico, and Paradis is a B and two maybes. We could have done that for no risk whatsoever; that’s like Rakhshani, DiBo, and that kid they let walk to the Rangers. I’d sign for that in a cold minute.
Of course I'm an expert, I've seen Slap Shot eleven times!
re: The forwards and Blake Comeau...
you know I completely forgot he was on the team since his last hat trick, like I do most of the season. He disappears far to often to be someone I want penciled in for the second line, he has not earned that yet (nor do I think he ever will).
If healthy Schremp is second line center, Bailey moves to LW, RW spot is for Nino unless he’s not ready, but I really think he will be.
Don’t forget about Petrov, he will be in camp.
I think the only real vacancy is checking LW, Torres or Malhotra would be perfect. and 4th line Asham or Nystrom would be perfect, but we also have to keep Jesse, Martin, and Trevor in mind. Also Comeau will wind up 4th line if Nino makes the team.
Also Weight is 4th line center nothing more, and probably only for 30-40.
Petrov
But still under contract with the KHL. I just can’t put stock in that one until something actually happens.
Comeau’s a wild card. He had a strong finish and was their fourth-highest goal scorer as he turned age 24. Certainly the team isn’t counting him out.
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The Islanders need to aproach the UFA period like they do the draft. Target who they want and they do whatever it takes to make it happen. The needs on Defense are glaring, 3 NHL calibre defensemen would be nice since last year it was 2 and now Sutton is gone. Up the ante in terms of dollars as long as you can keep the term shorter.
As for your lineup, Iagree with previous post I think you need to move Schremp up to the 2 spot and slide Bailey back to wing or have Schremp be a healthy scratch. No way I see him as our PK shutdown center. I expect Weight to get most of his ice time at the Point on the PP and filling in as a wing on that extra couple of “first line” center shifts JT gets every period after the TV time out.
Where’s a listing of the Isles Goaltending depth? Roloson. Besides that agree with your picks almost to a man, just don’t think we’re in the hunt for the top 2 D on your list. Never even considered AA, but he could be a fit.
Asking Unkie Garth What I Want for Christmas...
Despite the fact that I’m Jewish. Oh well.
1) Dan Ellis, G
As it seems, talks with Montreal are not going too well and Ellis will most like test the waters. Great value signing for $1.5-1.75 million to make insure the position if DP’s testicles don’t feel like descending.
2) Alexander Frolov, LW
Ok, so I’m dreaming here. It’s almost like that shiny new bike you wanted as a kid and then finally when you least expected it to be under the tree…there it was; wrapped in a nice, neat bow. He could probably be had for something in the $4-$5 million range for 3-4 years.
3) Anton Volchenkov, Z. Michalek, Paul Martin, Dan Hamhuis, D-men of all walks of life.
Yup, that’s right Isles management. Time to open up the pocketbook and get yourself and shutdown D-man. No more beating around the mulberry bush. It’s time to make sure the blueline doesn’t crumble 20 games in to the season.
4) Depth Signings
Take your pick (although in order of preference for me), Eric Nystrom, Arron Asham, Richard Park for the forwards.
Freddy Meyer or Kurtis Foster for the D-guys.
Agree, disagree. GO!
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I agree, with one exception...
- should be #1.
by Judgegavel on Jul 1, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Always does tha it’s 3) should be 1)
by Judgegavel on Jul 1, 2010 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It seems fine on my screen...
Oh Well
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Solid
Asham, to me, doesn’t fit. This, unfortunately, is why I’d have given Bergy another year…
Asham has third line offensive “potential” still, at 30-somehting. He offers little in the way of PK time, and the only positive that I can see is his willingness to drop the gloves…
… have you met Matt Martin… let me introduce you… He’s a BIGGER Asham, with YOUTH, DESIRE, and the SAME SCORING POTENTIAL… and probably the same PK potential.
They need to fill that spot with somebody who can play and produce in a top 6 role, or add size and scoring to a PK minute muncher.
I wouldln’t mind Park in August, if all else fails… but let’s hope we can improve on that a bit… I’d take Nystrom as well… but it may not be the best fit for him…
…and to me, Meyer is now almost a definite…
…and I wouldn’t be completely disappointed if Sutton came back. Yes, I’d like to see that role improved, but until the prospects prove they belong it may be hard to find defensemen with SIZE that will be as successful as he was under Gordon.
…actually… a coach would be on my free agent radar right now… because you might be looking for something in that realm under the Christmas tree.
But what does all this mean to Jeff Tambellini?
Just because he hasn't been extended...
Does not mean Gordon is the chopping block.
There’s a reason Nolan was let go and Garth CHOSE Scott Gordon. The only reason he doesn’t have a contract right now is because Charles believes in the regular business model: You earn your pay. Gordon will be extended without a doubt towards the end of the season.
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m still not convinced the “regular” business model is the right one for sports. We all saw how the executive council idea went. In a regular company you are hired and your employment is until the boss gets rid of you or you choose to leave, but there is no fixed termination date. In terms of sports, Gordon almost has lame duck status. I would prefer to have a coach with at least a year extension coaching my team each year so that he is not looking over his shoulder. I prefer that he is doing what is right for the organization and not just looking for a short term fix. It’s hard to believe that the coach is part of the long term plan when he is only under contract until the end of the season. I also believe that the coaching carousel in the NHL often undermines the coach and limits how much authority he has over players with substantially longer contracts.
I completely agree.
As far as I’m concerned and I’m not Charles Wang (ask Dom, he knows), I think Gordon should have been give a 3 year contract extension at the end of this past season. He’s done so much to pick the organization back up that it’s a bit of a slap in the face that he didn’t get his just dues.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Scott and Garth are talking everyday about how to improve the team. Remember, Garth wanted a coach he could have a working relationship with. It would absolutely shock me if Gordon was around for the long term a la Darcy Regier and Lindy Ruff.
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Correction:
Wouldn’t shock me.
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I was gonna say!
I agree. I don’t like the Wang “don’t-extend the coach” model, as it gives bad apple players one more cop out when they decide they’re not happy with their ice time.
I also verify that you are not Charles Wang; you have better hair.
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AMEN
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
If they add a veteran guy, Ellis would be sweet. He could Twitter all the inside info of the goalie triangle.
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Dani3boyz would finally have that player on the roster she needs:
Twitter freak and a heck of a good tender.
All of her sons play goalie for the record and she recently accepted a position with the Islanders to help coordinate the social media side of things. Just a shout out to a good friend!
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Aww man, good for her! In good hands, me thinks.
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Glad to add to the discussion. The irony (is irony in the right context here) is that I’m not even sure Gordon is the right guy, I’m kind of ambivalent towards him. However, I think any coach needs a commitment from managment since he is management’s rep to the players.
I’d just like to know who is the coach responsible for maintaining third period leads and having the defense play about 10 feet too far apart most nights.
And the PK
Good point about the third periods. Also Is Gordon responsible for the Isles terrible PK numbers last season? I have the same ambivalence about Gordon as well.
The PK is not always run specifically by Gordo. The assistant’s have the first say about special teams personnel during the game.
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree. We still don’t know for sure if Gordon is the long-term answer, but it doesn’t help any guy to be lame duck. Really, the coaching profession is so fickle, you almost owe them an extra year on the deal at all times just for their sanity and security. Particularly when an extra year usually amounts to what you pay a 3rd-line wing.
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I had my eye on Chynoweth last year for some of the defensive lapses last year since that’s his department, but in his defense it was his first year and there wasn’t really much to work with.
I do like that Gordon figured out that he can use a Timeout each game and not save them like cell phone minutes for the next game. I also like that he was then willing to use them early when the team was out of it. I didn’t like him calling it on one occasion about 1 minute before the TV timeout.
You go have lunch for a few minutes and...
IO,
I’m gonna respond up here, because there are a lot of valid points below, but just want to defend my train of thought, not the whole railroad.
Gordon, at the end of his second year, has started to grow on me. Not to the point where I’d say that HE IS THE GUY, but to the point that he may be the guy.
His first year was almost a complete waste, except for John Tavares. In his second year I got the feeling that he was trying to bring an AHL approach to the coaching. As if he was preparing the team to play in the NHL… and THAT is not where I wanted the team to be…. (but last time I checked, I don’t run the team… so I gotta live with that).
But… maybe that’s the plan. They literally had an AHL… wow, maybe even a good ECHL roster the last two years. NOT ONE ACCOMPLISHED player from 25-30 and no hope of getting one. So… maybe they teach that one-dimensinal approach, completely devoid of creativity to form a foundation.
I just can’t tell that from in front of my TV… so I just hope that year three is when he opens up the magic bag… because so far… not impressed.
I like the fact that he has the “D” involved… but look at the D he has involved. When you’re relying on Freddy Meyer to be an offensive force… well… that bus rarely stops in your neighborhood.
I like the aggressive forecheck… but when your team can’t break one, you have more important issues…. and it shouldn’t be the NUMBER ONE source of offense in the NHL… MOST teams can get the puck out of their zone rather easily with their top 4 defensemen…US… not so much.
So… half of my issues with Gordon are personnel dependent… This year… not so much.
this is his third year of getting a roster that he wants. His third year of coaching the core that he wants. Second year to do it with a staff that he had a voice in selecting.
I think he should have at least a year extension going into the season (for reasons stated below)… but I would have that little black coaches book at my side if the Isles are starting to worry about who’ll be available in the top 5 next year… at Christmas.
But what does all this mean to Jeff Tambellini?
Bergy Lovin'
JP thanks for bringing up Bergy in many of your posts these past few days…so that I don’t have to. You can be the creepy Bergy lover and I’ll sit back on the sidelines and quietly fist pump you when ever you bring him up. Just know….you are not alone
As much as I love Sean...
Great guy. Excellent hockey player. Expendable…
Sorry guys, it was time to start letting players who aren’t producing to their potential go. The person I feel for the most in this situation is Dee Karl. Sean was like her son (at least in a make believe kind of way).
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
For letting me know you were out there… the pressure was killing me.
But what does all this mean to Jeff Tambellini?
I've denounced the release...
but I’m moving on. What they do to replace him on the roster is how I’ll judge the move.
Me too, actually
I can understand it, but only with the caveat of a backup plan. And if there are personality issues, I can’t ever really be privy to that.
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it’s christmas in july again. this is the day where your school friends and enemies get what they asked from santa, and we get coal in our stockings.
Negative thoughts will not be tolerated on this most Holy of Days. LOL
I’m sure that Garth and Co. will do what they’ve done since Garth became the GM:
Target specific players, spend wisely and if that doesn’t work, they have a lot of up-and-coming talent to fall back on.
Granted, I think Calvin de Haan needs another year in Junior and Hamonic should most likely be with B-port to start the season, but who am I but a former blogger with some solid knowledge of the game.
Things will turn out better than you might think.
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
no doubt- they have done a great job at targeting under the radar players. i am still a big believer in this team 3-4 years down the road. since we have to spend the money, it would be nice to see a little meat on the plate to go with all the nice trimmings.
am looking forward to the club getting mad endorsement money from the likes of ricola and swiss miss.
FREE HOT CHOCOLATE AND THROAT LOSENGE NIGHT!
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
you realize, that if this is true:
*Query: Could Snow be a Russian spy? He has been fond of Russians lately, and he did convince a Chinese businessman to pay a Russian hockey player many millions to leave. Just sayin’.
then we’re going after Kovi
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
I signed Paul Kariya in NHL 2010 as a third line winger
He scored the Game 7 OT winner against the Flyers in the first round. Just sayin’
Of course, Rick DiPietro played a full healthy season and won the Vezina in that franchise, so take that as you will…
2009 Did Not Happen
I’m not sure which EA move is less believable!
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Are you kidding me?
I fleeced LA out of Frolov and Stoll for Gervais and a bag of pucks on NHL 10. HA!
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I so want Frolov. He gets a bad rap. Come hither, Alex, we have … well we have a few rubles.
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And some solid, up-and-coming Russian talent:
Petrov, Kabanov, Klementyev (sp?)
Last year’s draft it could have even been Alexei Kvasha. I swear, he was available in the 7th round.
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta love what the Kings fans call him:
Fro-LOAF.
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Marc Staal
Word is there is a ‘chasm’ in contract talks btwn Sather and Staal (RFA). Here’s what I’m thinking: Isles got to Staal with a 4-year-deal for about $6-7M per year. I know it’s a huge cap hit BUT 1. cap space is plentiful and the Isles still have to get to the floor, 2. Sather CAN’T let one of the most popular Rags shift over to the Isles so then he’d have to overpay, 3. Rags fans would flip out and the comments on blueshirtbanter would be hysterical, 4. worst case we get Staal and have a really good young Dman, who fits in w/ the rebuild.
(The one caveat here is I’m not sure if we need to provide compensation to the Rags for an RFA or if they just get the chance to match an offer. I’m just thinking out loud here.)
Offer Sheets...
Ugh, Garth Snow and offer sheets, even for someone like Marc Staal. Not happening.
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem with RFAs
Every RFA who has trouble signing does so because the team has all the leverage. If you give them a reasonable offer sheet, you’ve just done the club’s work for them. If you pay them enough money to get the original club to let him walk, then suddenly you owe 1st-round picks +. It’s just a graveyard.
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Haha my first...
…post at the Lighthouse was a bust. Glad to be aboard though. Thanks for the knowledge, was just hoping to stick it to the rangers a bit.
Not a bust at all, sir
Thanks for joining and commenting!
And sticking it to the Rangers is doing God’s work, so it’s all good.
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not to mention they will be itching to repay the favor when any of our guys they want go RFA
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
That’s really my biggest fear; they have the money to play dirty back. Don’t invade Russia in winter. Don’t get in a money war with MSG.
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besides this
Mark Staal is pretty good and all, but you can pay less money for a better-accomplished guy NOW and owe nobody any draft picks at all.
What Snow COULD do, however, is wait until the Rags have used up pretty much all their cap space, then tender Staal an offer that’s fair – not a wild overpay – and then Slats pretty much has to let him walk, or else deal guys in those seven days to create enough space to match. It means less compensation owed to the Rangers (they base it on the money) and a good young d-man that isn’t wrecking your budget or your rebuild.
The only worry is making Slats too unpopular. We don’t want the Rangers to get rid of him and hire someone good.
Of course I'm an expert, I've seen Slap Shot eleven times!
The only worry is making Slats too unpopular. We don’t want the Rangers to get rid of him and hire someone good.
It’s pretty sick how often I worry about that. But the Dolans give me confidence.
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RFA Compensation
OFFER COMPENSATION
$994,433 or below None
Over $994,433 to $1,506,716 Third-round choice
Over $1,506,716 to $3,013,434 Second-round choice
Over $3,013,434 to $4,520,150 First-round and third-round choice
Over $4,520,150 to $6,026,867 First-round, second-round and third-round choice
Over $6,026,867 to $7,533,584 Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice
Over $7,533,584 Four first-round choices
From NHL. so Stall for 2 first, 1 second and 1 third seems way too steep plus a cap hit which would mean Tavares would need $8 million a year to fit into the salary structure when his time comes.
NEW THREAD
FYI guys, I’ve posted a new thread for day-long free agency news and banter. Not meaning to chase you guys around from thread to thread, but since those days the comments start to really pile up, it’s easier to have a dedicated thread.
Feel free to continue discussion here, of course, but when L.A. signs Kovalchuk and the Sharks sign Turco it’d be better to make fun of them over there:
http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2010/7/1/1547180/islanders-nhl-free-agency-open
http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2010/7/1/1547180/islanders-nhl-free-agency-open
http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2010/7/1/1547180/islanders-nhl-free-agency-open
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That is one of my nicknames. LOL! Really, I’m not kidding.
I might actually get to see the prospects camp this year. I'll actually be in Long Island for a change.
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