NHL Draft Hangover: Digesting New Islanders Nino, Brock and Kiril
What would it be like for an avid Isles fan to spend NHL Draft weekend in a remote corner of a non-hockey country, only to return Sunday night to digest news of the Islanders' moves to draft Nino Niederreiter (I think I finally learned to spell that), Brock Nelson, and the talented but much-debated Kiril Kabanov?
It'd be something like this: I spent last week in the Dominican Republic (a long-scheduled family trip, so there was no getting out of it for the draft), where I was charged for phone calls I didn't make from a room with no Internet access, on a resort where the lone Web access point was a train ride away and billed by the minute. So I learned about Nino from an ESPN Bottom Line feed -- strangely, no Versus or NHL Network in the D.R. I learned of everyone's live reactions here a day later from a cramped office at $5 for 15 minutes. The setting was beautiful, the service often comical, the lack of information on the Isles downright torturous. I'm glad to be back.
So many thoughts running through the head here. Adding three tantalizing forwards to the system should get us thinking for the next few days -- and really underlines the thought Garth Snow will go hard for defense in free agency, while also reaffirming this organization believes firmly in Calvin de Haan and Travis Hamonic.
If you were elsewhere this weekend, there are lots of draft interview/videos at the official site, the best of which are posted below. Meanwhile, the following links, select quotes and thoughts should catch you up:
The Picks
WebBard rounded up Day Two here, and all told here are all the assets the Islanders walked away with this weekend after doing some pick swapping:
The Nino Move
When Erik Gudbranson went to Florida and Columbus reached for Nino's WHL teammate Ryan Johansen, many in the moment figured it was offensive D-man Cam Fowler or big-but-injury-question forward Brett Connolly on the way. In the back of your mind, though, you had to wonder about Nino. ... and Nino it was.
Reach, or Everyone Sticking to their Guns? Reports indicated Columbus and the Islanders were among the teams looking to trade down so that they could take these two Winterhawks closer to their pre-draft murmured slots. But in retrospect, seeing Fowler fall to Anaheim, seeing Brandon Gormley fall as well, while teams like Carolina (Jeff Skinner at #7) and the Smurfs (Dylan McIlrath at #10) reached upward for their picks is a pretty good sign that most potential trade partners already had players in mind who they were confident would still be there when their turn came up.
Personally, in a strange resort room far, far away, I stared at that murky ESPN Bottom Line for what felt like 30 minutes between the time "4. Columbus - Ryan Johansen" first appeared and an actual pick for "5. Islanders - " finally showed up afterward. I was sure there was some kind of trade in the works, and I was 100% certain ESPN would ignore it completely.
I was surprised to read from Newsday that reaction at the official Islanders draft party to the Nino pick was disappointment. I don't really get that, but the Draft Party seems ripe for hysteria. Reaction here seemed more reasonable: Excitement for a kid who is destined to be an exciting player, tempered by the perfect-world wish that Snow could have pulled off another trade-down while still getting his man.
My two favorite Nino quotes:
- Nino on his pre-draft visit to Long Island [video]: "It was fantastic; I also got a chance to look at the beach and .. {grins} ... just great."
- Also from Nino, after discussing his two-way skills: "At the end, I just want to be a goal scorer."
And here's the local paper that covers their WHL team, the Portland Winterhawks, with Johansen and Nino's draft day reactions.
Kiril Kabanov: 'I like to score'
So did Moby, of course, and that paid off handsomely.
I didn't hear about Kiril The Second until I returned home; immediate reaction: How Garth-ian. GM Goalie collects 2nd and 3rds for situations like this: Petrov one year, Kabanov two years later. These are the high-upside risks you can afford to take when you have multiple picks.
Think about this: Two year's later, Snow's return for passing on Nikita Filatov includes Josh Bailey and the depth of picks to be able to add Kiril Petrov and Kiril Kabanov to the collection.
Kabanov's post-draft interviews already got as much attention as his rocky soap opera of a season:
I enjoyed this:
"I'm a pretty secure guy, and I like to play on powerplay. I like to score goals. I don't know how to say...I'm a two-way player, I can play two-way game."
You know that last part has entered the "Forward Prospect's Talking Points 101" manual.
Then there was the Edmonton Journal quoting Central Scouting's E.J. McGuire: "He didn't burn the bridge, he blew it up." Ouch.
And then this from Garth, answering questions about Kabanov's well-documented (and in some cases exaggerated) troubles: 'I'm the first to admit I wasn't a saint growing up...'
... but, character is still a big part of the Isles prospect eval process, right? Yes. But when "1st-round talent" falls to you in the 3rd, you take the bait. As Snow said:
"Make no mistake: We do things a certain way in the New York Islanders organization, and we expect all of our prospects and players to perform in that manner."
Elsewhere: More on Kabanov from Adam Kimelman at nhl.com and Chris Botta at FanHouse, where Bruce Ciske also uses the pick to list the Isles as a draft winner.
Brock in the House
Speaking of why you collect 2nds and 3rds ... another reason is when a cap-strapped Stanley Cup winning team is picking at #30 and facing the need to replenish depth with cheap young players, you can package some of that to move up. When we get to the 30-and-beyond phase is when I really start to snooze on the draft. But I heard enough about Brock Nelson beforehand to instantly understand why the Islanders would think he's a piece worth having -- and shooting for -- at #30 who might not be there at #35.
Ryan Jankowski on Brock Nelson's skills (as well as Nino and Kiril, and the others), and the maneuver to move up to smell what the Brock is cooking:
It's the whole package with Brock. And he's someone we didn't feel would be there at 35, so we needed to step up [trade with Chicago] to get him [at 30].
And the Rest...
The 7th-rounder spent on the overage goalie drew some puzzled looks, but 7th-rounders are such crapshoots to the crapshootiest power, I'm sure the Islanders scouts have something in mind. You do need to be creative with how you create system depth now that you can't keep goalies in Finland or Sweden for more than two years before you sign them, so a college goalie is an interesting dart to throw.
Meanwhile, the Tony DeHart pick was an interesting surprise: You know they've watched a lot of Calvin de Haan's Oshawa teammate, so maybe they saw a "late bloomer" other teams missed. And sure, why not put two "de H's" in the pipeline, as if keeping two Kirils straight and spelling "Niederreiter" every night weren't enough of a challenge for the blogger.
...but I've already seen BC's initial reactions, and I know you all have your comments. Who'd we miss out on, who do you think was a steal for someone else?
Islanders Schedule: One Home Game, Bunch of Split-Squads in Preseason
Perhaps lost last week was the release of the Islanders' 2010-11 schedule, including their preseason games. Who's meeting up for Saturday, Oct. 9th's home opener against the Stars?
More curious is the Islanders pre-season schedule, which appears almost make-shift thanks to the canceled China trip: Five games in five locations, with four of the games consisting of split-squad nights: Sept. 29 (vs. Calgary in Saskatoon, and also vs. the Flyers in Philadelphia) and Oct. 2 (at home vs. the Devils, while the other squad plays the Canadiens in Quebec City). The only non "split squad" night is Friday, Oct. 1 at New Jersey.
And of course, you can see Nino and a bunch of other pups in the prospect mini-camp scrimmage, billed as the Orange vs. Blue Game, at the Coliseum Saturday, July 10, at 7 p.m.
P.S. Hey, how did you like seeing that new Islanders home white jersey?
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Welcome back
Missed your unique insight on"D" day, dispite you not being a “draft junkie” like the rest of us. With the size/skill talent we added this weekend I truly believe we are cup contenders in 3-4 years.(No longer just hoping). Garth continues to build his reputaion as very strong G.M. Let’s grab a couple “D”-men on July 1st.
BC Knows!!!!
I was surprised to read from Newsday that reaction at the official Islanders draft party to the Nino pick was disappointment. I don’t really get that, but the Draft Party seems ripe for hysteria.
Newsday are idiots. The reaction was NOT disappointment in the way that Baileys draft was disappointment, it was just people 100% expecting one thing and then hearing somehting else. Most of them were like, who? I heard no books or disappointment by me, but there were a lot of people who were very surprised and didnt cheer, they were just like hmm- well Ill be… really? Oh… um… wow, ok.
I think the goal horn and confetti should be saved only for sure things like top #1 picks. They never had goal horns and confetti and hysteria at the 90s draft parties. They need to either make it a bit more low key OR give your fanbase more of a hint on who youre interested in so that they have at least some sort of a clue who the kid is when you draft him.
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Thanks for that clarification. Heh, I should’ve known better than going off a couple of “fan on the street” quotes. I agree: The draft party doesn’t need the pomp and circumstance when it’s not the top pick and all the weight that carries.
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is it too early to serenade our future D pairing…
que De Ha, De Ha, whatever will be, will be…
nice write up, i missed day 2 for a 4years old b-day party (so worth it for the batman cake!)
so i shared in your surprise as my cousin doesn’t have wi-fi in her home (i mean REALLY?)
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Rosen
I know the 7th round is a crapshoot. I know two years from now he might turn out to be a steal. But honestly I don’t know how you can draft a guy that has played in all of 19 competitive games in the last two years and only played one game last year for Clarkson. There were plenty of other NCAA goalies available that anyone would have a better book on than Rosen. There were also several good European goalies still available. So, yeah, I’m still scratching my head.
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
A favor to somebody?
It really is odd, but I just figure someone somewhere in the org has a specific reason for it.
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Blackmail?
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by David Hanssen on Jun 28, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Rosen
I’m a little confused about this pick. Couldn’t we have just signed him? Or would he have to have left college if we did? Still not 100% certain on how draft eligibility works with kids over 18. I read somewhere that Philly had considered signing him last year
Draft eligibility =18-20 (and sometimes 21)
8.4 of the CBA:
a) All Players age 18 or older are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft,
except:
(i) a Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out;
(ii) a Player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts;
(iii) a Player who previously played in the League and became a Free Agent pursuant to this Agreement;
(iv) a Player age 21 or older who: (A) has not been selected in a previous Entry Draft and (B) played hockey for at least one season in North America when he was age 18, 19, or 20 and shall be eligible to enter the League as an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant
to Article 10.1(d); and
(v) a Player age 22 or older who has not been selected in a previous Entry Draft and shall be eligible to enter the League as an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Article 10.1(d).
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He was reportedly at the Flyers camp last year as an unsigned undrafted UFA
The Swiss are Coming, The Swiss are Coming!
Thanks Dom and WebBard. If he had signed with the Flyers he would had to have left college for the minors, drafting allows him to finish school, correct?
The Flyers thing is weird. In camp as some kind of amateur free agent/tryout look-see?
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He was at their Prospect Camp
http://philabright.com/2009/07/07/flyers-2009-prospect-camp-begins-this-week/
The Swiss are Coming, The Swiss are Coming!
http://www.thebreakaway.net/forums/showthread.php?p=825320
A Report on how he did.
The Swiss are Coming, The Swiss are Coming!
Late round succeess
Given the strong late picks Sno-Janks have come up with the last couple of years I think we have to give them a pass on the head scratcher. They arn’t very good at communicating questionable manuvers anyway, so we must assume someone knows something we don’t.
Wanted BIG skilled wingers - Check
Honestly, I just want to know why they think they’ve seen enough of him. He was Clarkson’s 3rd string goalie playing ONE PERIOD all of last year.
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jun 28, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he knows a really special stretch for goalie hips and knees
It’s beyond any … i dunno. Curious to hear what if anything they ever say about him.
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The way I see it, it provides them a goalie that will have three years left at Clarkson, so he’s off the books, and he’ll get an opportunity to play solid NCAA competition while easing into the starting role eventually (hopefully). The Islanders don’t have to babysit him or waste a roster spot on a guy who might come about slowly, and they can let another institution spend three years developing him before they swoop in and pick up the dry cleaning if they so choose. I’m not terribly opposed to this. Seems like Garth was kind of done by the third round anyway and wanted to begin stockpiling for next year’s Petrov / Kabanov.
I cannot wait for Rakh-tober.
Yeah, I’m in full support of that theory for drafting college goalies. Just wondering what their book on this one is.
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Word is that he had an excellent season before that and was just on a team with too much goalie depth.
Im going to look into this more tonight, Im sure there is a reasonable explanation- even if it is just a 7th round pick.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 28, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He backuped up this guy on his junior team prior to going to Clarkson. And a 2.9 GAA and a .899 Save % in the OJHL aren’t that impressive. Like I said earlier. It’s Blackmail.
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jun 28, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock looks like he has a toupee on doesn’t he in that pic?
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me too, except it has that “i once caught a fish thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissss big” kinda thing going on in it… he’s going to be rivals with ness next year i see, nice!
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I thought the pic had more Biblical over tones. I am feeling blessed these days to be an Islander fan.
Wanted BIG skilled wingers - Check
OK, now you need to photoshop a Pope’s Miter onto that picture.
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jun 28, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I find myself just staring at the white jersey and getting giddy.
It’s fun to have people excited about this team again, and really fun to know it will be in those colors.
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While cleaning out my room for my move, I rediscovered my old white Fisherman authentic jersey (Complete with fight strap). At first I was happy, then sad realizing that the Isles actually wore that jersey on ice.
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jun 28, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
No reason to be sad anymore. Its now long enough ago that its OK. I mean, look at what the boys are wearing now! :)
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 28, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed. One day we’ll even be able to laugh about Milbury. Honest.
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We need one of these thingys...

Hey Dom, who’s that Milbury dude on HNIC, he’s out there… I wonder if he’d make a good GM?
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When he speaks, I do picture him looking better like this:

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Jesus that guy is hard on Luongo for no reason… I wonder why that is?
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jun 28, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
So am I.
(There, I admitted it.)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jun 28, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I stil have mine and wear it proudly to ball hockey every Wednesday night.
My Original White is safely in its frame on the wall.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 28, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Talk about excited!
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/islanders.draft.new.2.1775297.html
Wild, huh? :)
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 28, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, he is on board!
I like the point about trade chips. Seeing the Blues use some of their chip pile to get Halak, Sabotka and Ottawa’s pick drove that home for me. All due respect to Joensuu, I’m looking forward to the day when the Isles system is deep enough that I don’t have to fret hoping a guy like him can develop his skating, etc. enough.
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The Joensuu Clock...
started ticking on Saturday. I’m looking forward to this season for the same reasons i was looking forward to it last year. Bergy, Comeau, RSH, Hillen, Jesse and especially Matt Martin. BC will probably correct me immediately, but I don’t think any of their picks this year are going to have too much of an influence this year. For won thing, starting Nino’s pro clock 10 games into his 18th birthday is just wrong…. business-wise.
He has a good junior year in him, and a definite for the WJC again.
Jesse needs to contribute this year. If they are going to give martin every opportunity to make the team, then Jesse is going to have to prove that he can do what Bergy does, BETTER… and I don’t think that’s an easy task. But the competition is something the Isles just haven’t had in a while.
And the Easy Blake Oven will start to heat up when Petrov appears…
BTW: Nice find TMC
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Agreed
Clock is ticking, pressure coming up from below. Soon the Islanders depth chart becomes a great Darwinian exercise instead of a bottle of hope!
(Okay, I’m getting ahead of myself.)
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…..cough Rakhshani cough anyway,JJ could use a few playmakers. I was very frustrated watching B’port play with what I would call a dearth at the Center position. It’s hard to play effective hockey without the playmakers up the middle. At different points in time both Mauldin and Moore were centering, as well as Smith, but eh… doesn’t really turn heads. I hope we can bring in a guy who can move the puck a little more. We have Haleys and Haskins and Marcinkos, but they don’t make me think… puckmover! Even a guy like Yan Stastny that knows how to be that effective role player…
I cannot wait for Rakh-tober.
Rhett Wing
Rhett could be pushing Comeau more than Joensuu… He also may have to get a little better. In the Denver games I’ve seen Rhett was solid, but Donovan was the best player for either team.
I’m not sure the lefty-righty thing works against him the same way it does with having a lefty playing RW on a predominantly left handed roster… but I think he’s more of an offensive-plus puck mover… traditionally on the RW.
I think Rhett improves BP, but the NHLers aren’t sweating him. Not yet anyway.
You are also correct, they definitely need an infusion of talent up the middle in BP. The three scratchers(last year they added Moulson, Moore, Mauldin for AHL depth) this year should be be 2 centers, 1 d (and a minor league goalie coach)… unless Dunham has a frequent ferry pass.
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cant argue with you JP, i only saw 3 games, but i have to say he certainly was every bit the captain for that team, he seemed to be in the middle of every good play… seemed to have very good hockey sense
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do you see JJ and Nino fighting for the same spot?
we should be watching sim go bye bye as a UFA so at the very least, he could serve the agitator role and put up twice the production (40ish points, more PIM)
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again I wouldn't count Nino out for this year
He is all determination and with his size and talent…don’t be shocked if he makes the team. Not saying he won’t go back to Portland…but don’t count on it either.
Interestingly....
…..Jeff didn’t include Moulson in his list – not the first time that’s happened, either (just fine; by ALL means, keep overlooking MM as he just keeps scoring:) TMC is absolutely right: the overall response to Nino being picked was one of bewilderment as much as anything else, but I filled in a lot of the blanks for those on the floor who were trying to get properly excited about it, telling them that a good number of us on this here blog had long been pulling for Garth to pick him. Two things hit me, one after the other: oh, wow – you mean Garth actually LISTENED to us? Admittedly, I felt a weird but mercifully brief burst of importance, and then assumed responsibility (I thought to myself, if it ends up backfiring – however improbable that might be – can’t say he didn’t pay heed to SOME of the fans, anyhow!) Must commend the coverage between CB, Dom and WebBard that allowed me to even be aware of Nino in the first place – THANKS, guys:)
Then I saw one team after another pass on Cam, and for Fowler it was definitely darkest before the Southern California dusk as his hang-dog face shot a twinge of guilt through me and I was genuinely relieved when Anaheim selected him, a very fitting outcome as he can soon replace Scott Niedermeyer (ah, I do love happy endings!) Fowler, like so many other prospects in the first round, seems like a really nice kid…..
Was also quite psyched about Nelson after having read about him here early last week, and as for Kirill, based upon the video at any rate, he seems like a really nice, perhaps undeniably wayward kid, not nearly as aloof as I remember Kovalchuk being, a bit Ovie-like…..my intuition firmly tells me Garth and Ryan done very, very good with this move and it will become quite evident not long from now…..
Dom, it goes without saying that you were missed on the floor Friday night, but you were certainly there in spirit – I’m actually giving very serious thought to coming down for the Orange vs. Blue scrimmage in 2 weeks (about to start a new work gig next week!) Any chance you might find your way to Uniondale then too?
Two things I didn't know about Nino
I promoted picking Connolly at 5 because I feel our greatest organizational need is ofensive talent with grit on the wings. I didn’t know Nino is as big and griity as he is! Wow! love this kid. I also didn’t know he was so young- just made the draft by days, If his development continues he would be the #1 pick next year! Along with Nelson and Kabanov I am steeped about this draft.
I know potential doesn’t win cups, but I can see 3-4 years down the road we have the problem of needing to fit top six forwards on the 3-4th lines!!? 1st line talent- J.T., K.O., Nino and Kabanov. 2nd liners- Bailey, Petrov, Moulson, Nelson. That leaves Frans, Comeau, Schremp, Martin, Berg, Hunter, Jesse fighting for four spots on the 3-4th lines! Holy crap, we’re Stanley cup contenders!!!
Wanted BIG skilled wingers - Check
Not only is Nino big and gritty, but he also loves to chirp...just ask Kadri
Nino and Avery are going to be quite the entertainment. Avery will have more than he can handle methinks.
they’ll chirp, but as for mixing it up, never happen, Nino stands 4-5 inches taller and 10-15 lbs heavier right now, by the time they meet, that gap may grow, and we all know punkass avery likes to use the hit and run technique on guys bigger than him, he almost never goes 1 on 1 – would be awesome though to have it a regular theme
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Chirping
never been a fan of mouth pieces. If your gonna yap- back it up. don’t want our talent taking 5 min rests in the box. My hope, he out grows that- let your Sims draw penalties. Stars should show a little class.
Wanted BIG skilled wingers - Check
I think that its like anything else
it can be effective if you are disciplined about it. Just looking for that edge, a way to get under someone’s skin.
You're assuming...
that by the time Nino plays his first Ranger-Islander game that the Painted Finger Nailed Ranger whom I’d Rather not name will still be tormenting torts. They are in DEEP FAIL MODE, and GQ may be the first one under the bus… This will be the last year on Broadway for one of them…. that’s a storyline to keep an eye on. Considering Torts two biggest enemies are the Jackass, and the Brooks (employed by a Dolan competitor) my vote says Torts stays… If he goes, who could they bring in… GRETZKY? And we could counter with bringing back Smitty as public relations director.
Hopefully Gillies has instructions this year to wait for a 3 goal lead then… pummel him with ABSOLUTELY NO PROVOCATION… That’s how he’ll enter into Steve Webb Status…
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I really wouldn't bet against Nino making the roster this year
he is one determined dude…a force of nature really. That’s one of the reasons I wanted us to draft him. Smitty as PR Director, you crack me, you really do!!!! Priceless!!!
Nino Love
I remember watching the WJC and thinking, “Jeez, I’d love to see a kid [Nino] like this on the Isles”. I’m pretty sure we even discussed it on this site. You had debated with somebody saying that you had seen him play and that he was even better than what we were seeing in the WJC… With the need for defensive help, and the great stuff about the gud, my attention shifted… but boy, was I happy when we got him.
There was not a better fit for this team than Nino… let’s hope it plays out like we are dreaming it will be…
Even with all that… (and I concede that you know way more about this than I)… I don’t like to see 3 year olds running in open competition. For one thing, it’s bad business sense… secondly, there are things you can work with in juniors (because he’s not AHL eligible) like PK, PP (point), and technique that shouldn’t be learned in the NHL. Maybe Snow trusts that Gordon is the guy to accelerate that learning process… and you are right… but to me he takes up a roster spot for on the job training… (see Josh Bailey… and a last place finish). They have resources now where they don’t have to rush.
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not saying rush not another Josh at all
I’m saying that with his drive, size, and talent, he may be just too good in pre-season to let him go back.
Yea Josh was a rush job, because of lack of depth...
if Nino makes it its because he is NHL ready. That doesn’t mean he will be at full potential, but if he’s as good as he looks on film, with that body, he should be in the NHL. Now if he comes in and has a slow camp he’s going back to juniors no doubt, I just don’t think that will be the case.
I love our top three picks, including Nelson
just thought we had a chance to get everything we wanted by drafting Merrill instead. Garth may have been turned off by the disciplinary thing at the end of the season. So Atlanta uses the Kovi pick to help get Buff and Lou uses the return second to get Merrill. That’s why they call him Lou I guess.
yeah, lou to get better upside with that pick than safety i think because of that trade… i think garth pushes to sign a big D man now instead, but i read andy is in talks to stick with the sens
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The Nickname
I’m not big on El Nino. I’m thinking Night Reiter.
i like it! but too many people are used to el nino, so it’s going to be tough to start with a new one
i do wonder what # he’s going to want though now that his customary #22 is out of the question
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oh god, could he possibly go with #90 – nino/nine-oh
i’m cringing
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90... for sure!
I’d be disappointed if he took anything else. In 15 years he’ll be NINE OH, just like Eddie was Eightteen. Chants of NINE OH will SHAKE the colly, then the HUBCAP for years!
Sorry… twofers at Chili’s this afternoon…
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or 92 for his birth year
But Nino is a good name for other reasons. Think of all the Italian-American sports fans in NY. He’ll get invited to teh Feast of San Gennaro, Columbus Day, etc. And with a last name like Niederreiter, he should get invited to his share of Oktoberfests as well. Have to watch his diet though!!!
On that note
I was wondering but haven’t dug in yet: Is his first language German or Italian? His accent (and name) has hints of both.
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not sure
there are German, Italian and French ethic groupings in Switzerland. This is from Wikipedia:
Chur has a population (as of 31 December 2008) of 32,957.1 As of 2008[update], 17.8% of the population was made up of foreign nationals.6 Over the last 10 years the population has grown at a rate of 7.6%. Most of the population (as of 2000[update]) speaks German (81.0%), with Romansh being second most common ( 5.4%) and Italian being third ( 5.1%).4
He may well be a German-Italian mix.
Heh, I did wonder even about Romanish, but I couldn’t pick out a Romanish accent if I tried. (And I assume most Romanish speakers pick up another language, but I’m talking out my rear there.)
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It's German
Funny accent indeed, but he’s doing ok with his English, I’d say. At the Worlds, Nino and his line mates actually struggled a bit due to the language mix. Nino speaks German and English, whereas Deruns, his line mate in the first two games, speaks French only… Savary was their center and he speaks French and English and had to do all the translation.
Maybe this can be his theme song? I’d also be partial to Der Schweizer (Correct?) if he’s German speaking.
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jun 28, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
heh perfect theme song
Der Schweizer would be perfectly correct indeed, but I don’t know… The way I see him, he’ll be more American than Swiss pretty soon, which is very good and important for him to have success in the NHL. One thing he said was that he hoped to be picked by an American team, because he’s become fond of the American way of life very much.
Good to know I got the German correct. I’ve been making a concerted effort lately to re-learn what I forgot/at least get a decent reading comprehension of the language down. I need to a bit since a lot of the Lutheran literature I will need to know for seminary is (obviously) in German.
That’s interesting on Nino… I just hope he doesn’t wind up like Nik Lidstrom in that Lidstrom is pretty much a Canadian/American at this point other than the fact he occasionally plays for Sweden every four years.
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by David Hanssen on Jun 28, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I would see that in the context of
Nino being the kind of guy who doesn’t do anything halfway. He made a decision and once he did, he embraced it whole hog.
that's one good aspect
And I certainly see it as a positive thing, too. No idea how far Lidstrom has taken it and if it affected him or his surrounding negatively. But for a Swiss player it definitely is very important to become at least a little un-Swiss. Switzerland is as uncompetitive as you could imagine and the hockey culture (coaching, contracts, trades) is so different. Most of the Swiss guys who failed in North America surely lacked of talent, too, but most just didn’t get along with the competitive world over there. Andres Ambühl is the most recent example. After decent showings at the Worlds and the Olympics he spent a year in the Rangers organization, but at the end was not even very effective in the AHL. He’s overrated talentwise anyway in my opinion, but he certainly struggled in the mental aspect most. For example, he claimed he mainly missed the connections everyone would need to make it into the NHL… Pretty tough to make it indeed with that kind of idea.
Nino obviously is much more talented and different. And this year in Portland has certainly helped him a lot. My only bit of concern would be that he’s never had to prove himself in this competitive world. Back in Switzerland he always was the hero in his teams, always was sure to be called up for the various Junior Worlds, etc. And in his first year in North America there were no expectations really of course and he could just go out and do his thing. That’s cool and he did it very well, but the next year(s) will be different and more difficult, I’d say. Thanks to being quite a bit un-Swiss already, he seems to be ready for it indeed, though.
Streit actually might not be more American than Swiss, because he seems to be quite attached to his family and friends back home, but the way he established himself in this league has been very un-Swiss for sure, too, and he’s at least adapted very well indeed.
Hiller and Sbisa are more extreme, these guys are already more Americans than anything, I’d say. Nino by the way spent this week in California in Sbisa’s house in Newport Beach. And Sbisa arranged a little meet and greet for Nino with Scott Niedermayer.
Awesome stuff
Thanks for the insight!
The language issue — I was wondering about that with Streit in mind; obviously the English for both is good, but it’s fun to be able to use a little of your first language now and then.
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its apparent from some interviews
that Nino had to learn his English and has been taking lessons in Portland. Makes me even more impressed with him.
Not competitive, hmm...
I have a number of relatives who are Swiss and would completely disagree with that. When it comes to Skiing or Schwingen, they are some of the most competitive athletes in the world. I just think it happens to be that Hockey is not the typical Swiss athletes calling.
Well, I'm Swiss and I live in Switzerland...
…and I’m well aware of the fact that a majority of the Swiss won’t share my opinion. Actually, that’s part of the problem. Too many still think Switzerland would be something special or ahead of the rest of the world in most areas – which simply isn’t true (anymore). And life is just too easy over here. I mean, it’s cool, it’s a beautiful country and I’m glad everything works very well indeed, but that’s not what prepares you best for the most competitive things, such as the NHL.
As for Skiing, sure, they’re pretty successful from time to time, but how could they not be? I mean, it’s not that the Swiss are all stupid and unable to do anything… But even there, the North American guys like Bode Miller or Manuel Osborne-Paradis have impressed me more in terms of mental strength or competitiveness.
As for Schwingen, well, the Swiss are the only people in the world doing this sports…
However, it’s not surprising that these are two rather uncompetitive sports. Schwingen doesn’t even count obviously and how many countries exactly are good at skiing? Or let’s take the Olympics. As you might know, new sports are added to the Olympic programme from time to time and the Swiss almost always do very well the first and maybe second time. Why is that? Because the Swiss have the money and the infrastructure to quickly establish a good level. Recent examples would be Mountainbike, Triathlon, Beach Volleyball, Snowboard, Skeleton, Halfpipe, Ski Freestyle. But in all these sports the Swiss start to struggle once it gets more competitive after a few years.
By the way, the reasons are the same for why the Swiss do very well with their youth teams in hockey as well as soccer (where they won the U17 worlds recently), but never have had a star player in either of these sports. So, for hockey, the problem is not that it isn’t a popular sports, it’s very popular actually, but the problem is that hockey and especially the NHL are very competitive indeed.
Or you might have been following the World Cup in Soccer. Actually, if the Swiss had the character and mental toughness of the US boys, they’d perhaps still be in the tournament. But in fact, they did ok as long as they could defend (as a group), but struggled incredibly, once they were under pressure, had to fight adversity, needed something extra, such as individual efforts or creativity. The same happened four years ago, when they went out without conceding a single goal in the whole tournament, but failed to convert any penalty shot (!) in the round of the last 16 against Ukraine (0:3 after shootout).
Well, to be clear, it’s still a good idea to spend your next holidays in Switzerland ;-) And obviously one has to appreciate being born into such a country, but certain things are different and in a way not all that impressive. However, in my opinion, if a Swiss wants to have a successful NHL career, he needs to understand all this. I’m glad Nino seems to be on a very good way also in this regard.
Thats also because your dealing with a very small population...
the number of truly elite athletes is going to be small, even if you have the money to participate. My point is simply to call the Swiss non-competative, would be a poor generalization, because of the sample size.
It sure is a generalization and I’m not at all the person who likes to generalize normally. And it’s still a heterogenous country of individuals of course, but the way the country is set up in terms of politics, education, media, sports is much more just nice and polite than ambitious, competitive and professional.
Sure, the number of elite athletes will always be small, but if we look at who is successful in which sports, it’s pretty telling to me. It’s obviously difficult to analyze, though, as certain sports will always produce better talent in certain countries. And certain countries just offer too many possibilites, which obviously would be a good thing in general, but might hinder the success in certain sports a bit. Actually, that’s where US Soccer might struggle a bit. The most talented tall athletes might chose basketball, the fast guys American Football, the grit guys hockey, etc., whereas in Canada everyone choses hockey, in Argentina soccer, in Switzerland hockey and soccer, etc.
Also look at soccer and America...
its actually the number one amateur sport played in America. Yet we are still one of the least competitive countries (especially if you throw in size) in the world, and as fans no one really cares (even despite the recent World Cup). But that doesn’t mean we still don’t produce the occasional competitive player like Tim Howard, who is one of the better goalies in the world.
Night Reiter
With effort, we can at least make it his secondary name. You know the marketing department is already salivating over “El Nino” posters though.
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as evidenced by the tab line of “el nino” already on the site ? or were you just guessing… cuz it’s there haha
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All of the above. To me it will always feel weird without the ~ over the second ‘n.’
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One thing like about our two first round picks is that we have one who is closer to NHL ready, a shorter term project who we can get excited about seeing within the next few seasons. Than we have Brock who will be a long term project and someone we won’t see for quite a few years. It can be a little frustrating when a teams top pick is committed to playing in college and knowing that in all likelihood he is as least four years from making the team; but that college experience can be valuable to a players development.
So true
For me that duality makes the draft a lot more satisfying.
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Maybe this is getting ahead of itself, and there is nothing to this, but has anyone even considered that Petrov and Kabanov also give us some decent “high potential” trade bait if we ever do have problems with them? Garth doesn’t have to commit to either, and while I’m not advocating anything in particular, they could be great value picks for obtaining other pieces if need be as well. Good draft all around.
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Absolutely, yes
What’s great is even if they show enough to be good talent but have “internal” issues, there could very well be teams willing to take chances on them.
This is why I really like picking them at those spots. I’m big on character, but once you get to the 3rd round you just hope the kid has the talent to even be a regular some day; these guys are good bets for more than that, so they could be good Islanders and/or trade bait some day. Call it Garth’s Russian Bank.
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Snow Bank- that is frickin awesome.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 28, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
…..we’ve got Snow Banks and El Ninos now? Don’t call us no stinkin’ fairweather fans!
I cannot wait for Rakh-tober.
Not to mention Okposo (which means “Thunderstorm”)!!!
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 28, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Love it.
In Snow Bank, you don’t withdraw from bank — bank withdraws you!
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When MM was here that meant the F***ing D**k’s In Charge…
Now it means Fun Drafts Implemented Courageously
I’ll say it again… Snow and Jankowski have done a great job making something out of nothing. I’d have to say that making the backup goalie the GM was the best thing that Wang has done for this team. Now if they can just end the history of over-comitting to MEDIOCRITY (Yashin, DP, Gordon(?)…) they will do something special.
- Not to say that Gordon can’t be something special, but give him a chance to PROVE HIMSELF before you give him a 5 year deal.
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To be honest...
With the effort to move this team away from its YASHIN/KVASHA years it was one of my first thoughts when KK was drafted. As much as Nino fits the mold [IMO] of a hard forechecking team that scores with pressure… Neither of the Russian profiles fit that mold… and who ever wants to be critisized by Milbury for allowing “euro-trash” to destroy your dynamic.
We still have a lot of organizatinal holes on D, starting in the NHL. It wouldn’t be too far fetched to see Petrov, now that he’s closer to coming to NA to get traded after his debut in camp… he is coming to camp, right?
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i think they were picked with clear hopes they played in an isles uni, but that is certainly a possibilty, however i think the fact we already had petrov and klementiev on the farm made this pick make more sense, a budding group of young russians and maybe bond and grow together ???
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trading kabonov or petrov
That is why I favor the philosophy of drafting the best available player, regardless of an organization’s needs. Thats why the Ranger pick seems puzzling to me. They might not a need puck moving defenseman like Fowler but it never hurts having someone that talented in your system, if only as trade bait.
I am so happy I cam beside myself. I cant stop thinking about the draft its hysterical. I really feel like the Isles have three first round picks- because really, they do… one of them just has a little touch of DaCrazies. Honestly, the Isles kids can use a little craziness here and there. Look at how much we drooled over Moulson not always giving generic answers- and that boy isnt crazy at all, just a little silly.
Like Garth said, I was no angel at 17, either. I was an honors student who got kicked out of two high schools- not your usual situation- and I can see now that I really was a pain in the ass lol. But I grew up- and Kirill can, too. :)
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True all dat. It will be an interesting dynamic when a lot of these personalities get together, but hopefully it works out for the best. Hopefully the Isles maintain enough veteran checks to guide the pups along. I’d say certainly Rob Schremp’s presence was enjoyed by his teammates, and he did a lot to reform the rep he arrived with. Regardless, it’s going to make for a fun petri dish.
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My biggest question is WHERE?
Flynn was probably the inpetus to removing MAB from the Islanders. His little in-game shouting match made me think, back then, that this guy didn’t take crap… You’d think that was what Kirill needed…. but he ran away from that.
In an interview he said that “danny was more like a good friend than a coach” [paraphrased]…
What do they do with him… do they try to get moncton to trade his rights. Do they put their faith in somebody they know is a good coach, but may have a strained relationship with…
This will be one helluva soap opera next year… even better than Ness going nowhere under Lucia.
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I agree, and it was much like the 07 draft when we Ness, Trivino, Toews and Petrov who had all once been ranked in the first round.
I hope not...
as it appears really none of them should have now. Although, I guess Petrov is still a ?
interesting dynamic when a lot of these personalities get together
i’m all for them being the 86 mets if that gets me seeing a cup
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ONE CUP
The difference with the 86 Mets and the 80 Isles was that the 80 Isles where built to last. The Mets should have seen at least 4 WS (not won, but at least been involved in)… that pitching staff was AWESOME… but it fell apart due to lack of guidance… see Davey Johnson… now… is Gordon more like Arbour or Johnson…
Right now, I don’t think he has the PSYCHOLOGICAL chops Arbour had… tough to compare favorably with a HOF coach.
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good point, Keith and Darling talk about that a lot during the broadcasts, they felt 85 and 87 were def years they should have won
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{St. Louis sigh} And the Cards shoulda won those years too! That was a fun time to be watching baseball.
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The cards had what they have now...
A better manager… somebody that WINS games for them, rather than NOT LOSE THEM.
If the Mets had Whitey AND their pitching… wow. If they had LaSteroids, instead of Willie… they’d have been way bigger.
To bring this home… this is a year where the Islanders need to define themselves. Can Gordon coach a team with a Petrov and a Kabanov? Can he get his team to be the ultimate rock-paper-scissors team like Arbour had. They aren’t there yet talent wise, but he’ll have more tools this year than any Isle coach has had in a long while. So it should be fun.
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I’m still betting that neither Kiril will be in the lineup this year, but point taken. It might be best for Gordon if he has another year of evolution and identity forging before dealing with that one.
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we’ll find a way to get a Kirill into the Coli, even if’s it’s not what we hoped
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The same thing could be said of......
…..the Braves; there had to have been really divisive forces in both locker rooms – but they seem to be bouncing back after a few years in the National League East wilderness…..weird to see Chipper Jones seriously contemplate retiring…..Oh, I feel old at this moment!
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-and since when does 83% off equal 27$ for an ipad ? oh wait, it’s for a rangers ipad, now i get the low cost
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The faulty math
…is the only thing that saves it. I can put in a complaint whenever Rangers ads (or Patriots ads) come up. Unfortunately I don’t think they’re as responsive when the ad is for the same region.
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I keep seeing Rangers things too. Its really annoying, Ive noticed it a lot lately.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 28, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably because we were talking about their draft picks for a while in the comments. It’s a key advertising word, so that’s why their stuff keeps coming up in the ads.
We should stick to calling them Short Island Smurfs or just NYR so the ads don’t pick up on it.
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I actually think its just hockey and New York that is triggering it- which reeally pisses me off. I didnt just notice it today, its been going on for a while- and it happens when nobody is talking about them at all. Grrrrr.
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Ranger iPads
…are what female Ranger fans where over their eyes to stop the swelling after they mention how cute DiPietro is in front of their boyfriends… DON’T YOU WATCH COPS?
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If only I could claim both. I did my best to get them to change it to the Dominikan Republic, but they gave me the standard Dominican answer (at this resort, anyway): “Have a seat and we’ll be with you in a few minutes.”
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FWIW ESPN
Has an article today listing Niño along with Hall, Seguine, Gudbranson, and one other I think, as the most NHL ready, and most likely to be with their respective clubs. They do site that the Islanders are one of the quickest to bring up young players, but also note this is not a Bailey situation, Niño is much further along.
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esp-what? they spoke of hockey? in late june? shocking…
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