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Islanders Depth Chart: Snapshot of assets, needs...and wants

So much yet to be determined this summer (is it draft time yet?), but with us talking about the 50-contract limit last week and the signing of David Ullstrom this week (but not, apparently, Jared Spurgeon), it's worth resetting the Islanders depth chart as it relates to known contracts for 2010-11. A moment to take a look at what birds are already in hand before we resume dreaming about which birds are in the bush.

Here's a quick-and-dirty pre-free agency view. In black are the players under contract for 2010-11 according to CapGeek. Players shaded in gray [EDIT: in italics. Apologies, the autolinks eliminated my gray-text shading] are the restricted free agents who have the best shot at being retained. Otherwise, all free agents -- both restricted and unrestricted -- have been left off this list, to give us a clearer idea of the holes Garth Snow needs to fill.

It's safe to bet some of those will be filled with returnees -- perhaps a Meyer here, maybe a Park there -- but overall we're looking at a lot of additions in the form of real upgrades, depth signings, and graduating youth.

Don't pay too much attention to the order and positioning (perhaps picture Bailey resuming life on the wing, etc.), but the ones below the demarcations (----) can be considered for Bridgeport -- or, they have the longest shot at leaving training camp as NHLers.

Do pay attention to your assignments for addressing these holes, after the jump.

Star-divide

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Islanders Organizational Depth June 1, 2010

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LW Center RW

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Matt Moulson John Tavares Kyle Okposo

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Sean Bergenheim Frans Nielsen Blake Comeau

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Jesse Joensuu Josh Bailey Trent Hunter

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Trevor Gillies Rob Schremp

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Matt Martin Tomas Marcinko Rhett Rakhshani

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Robin Figren Justin DiBenedetto

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David Ullstrom

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Micheal Haley Tony Romano Joel Rechlicz

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Defense Goaltender

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Mark Streit Dwayne Roloson

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Radek Martinek Rick DiPietro

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Jack Hillen

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Andrew MacDonald

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Bruno Gervais

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(Brendan Witt) Mikko Koskinen

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Anton Klementyev Kevin Poulin

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Mark Katic Nathan Lawson

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Travis Hamonic

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Calvin de Haan*

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Dustin Kohn

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Dylan Reese

*Calvin de Haan, if he doesn't make the NHL club, must be returned to his junior squad; he can't play in the AHL yet.

 

I know there are a few there who you already want to be rid of. Well, these are the guys under contract (save for the RFAs shaded in gray) so casting them away is easier said than done.

Notable UFAs not depicted here include: Doug Weight, Richard Park, Jon Sim, Freddy Meyer, Martin Biron. One RFA I intentionally left off is Jeff Tambellini, because he's suffered enough and I'm just assuming the Islanders don't bring him back. However, I have been wrong (or flip-flopped) about Tambellini's future 15 times before, so...

Your Assignment(s)

1. Am I missing anyone? Do you have specific expectations for any of these guys? ("No way, Martin will make the team, Gillies will be on the two-way shuttle...")

2. Go ahead and play fantasy GM with this, from the perspective of the draft and free agency as well as dream trades. Just remember: If there are guys you want to trade here, keep in mind that the reason you want to get rid of them could be the same reason no one else would be interested.

3. The Defense: Most, including Garth Snow, agree the team is in need of blueline additions. We have our pet free agent targets, but one wild card is whether one of Hamonic, de Haan or even the #5 pick make the team. I'm not a fan of rushing any of the above, but it could happen.

4. The Wings: Left wing in particular is a rough place after Moulson. Let's here solutions. Here are some free agent forwards (if you mention the Russian last seen as a Devil, well, that's why we call this "fantasy" GM).

5. Goaltending: We still have a Rick DiPietro Insurance situation. If Mikko Koskinen had gotten a full season last year, this wouldn't be as much of a worry; but since he didn't ... are you comfortable with him being the third-in-line if/when DiPietro hits trouble, or are you expecting another veteran signing? [Update: As Hans und Frans points out in his FanShot and in comments, the Isles have extended an entry-level offer to Anders Nilsson, their second goalie pick from the 2009 draft.]

Scenarios: Some have suggested selling Schremp for wing help, but I'm not sure I would do that until I saw evidence that Bailey will be better at center than on the wing. ... Many have dreamed of Vochenkov, Hamhuis or Michalek to upgrade the D. ... The fate of Brendan Witt is unclear; perhaps he continues as a co-mentor with Mark Wotton in Bridgeport ... With all our young D-men in the pipeline I don't actually expect Reese to be retained, but he impressed me enough in his brief stint at the end of the year that I would be happy to see him back; he and Meyer were a good pair, and he was better than Gervais or Kohn.

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We need more elite talent at LW…draft Nino, sign Enver Lisin, make a play for Frolov, Torres, and / or Poni. And hey Tucker and Cooke are available….just saying!!!! We might also consider drafting Kabanov if he is available in round two.

We need more depth at RW. That should primarily be addressed through the draft. Some good options after the first round will include Charlie Coyle, Teemu Pulkkinen, and Yasin Cisse. Of course, all that can be done should be done to get KP over here.

We need more bodies with a pulse on defense now—unless Garth’s real plan is to Lose for Larsson. Yes, Garth will need to bring in a veteran physical and snarly blueliner…but that is not enough. With the fragility of Martinek, the lackagility of Boromir the Yukon Slayer, and depth quality of much of the Bridgeport talent, all options should be considered. If Spurgeon is signed, he, Hamonic, and DeHaan should all have legit shots at making the roster. It would probably be wise to bring Meyer back for at least one more year and one or more lesser veteran FA signings would probably be a good idea as well.

And then there’s DP. Yes, we will need another FA signing at G. I am hopeful that Mikko and maybe even Kevin will be NHL ready at some point this season and maybe they will be so awesome in exhibition that one of them will make the roster. What’s wrong with a little depth? Absolutely sign a backup.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Goalie depth: Absolutely, yes. I’m afraid we’ll have the last pick of the litter though, as that will be an undesirable landing spot for a free agent goalie with choices (“Wait, you want me to play behind Roloson, deal with the DP soap opera, and look over my shoulder at the towering Finn?”). But there will still be Leighton-types available in late summer, I’m sure.

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by Dominik on Jun 2, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about the news today that the Isles extended an entry level to Anders Nilsson and how do you think that affects the goalie depth chart/retaining Lawson/pursuing a UFA keeper?

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by David Hanssen on Jun 2, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roli put in 50games last season should be able to put in 60 this year. Let DP/ prospects soak up the rest. DP should be able to play 5-10 before he breaks again. Let Lawson, Mikko, Poulin have a go at the remaining 10 games

by neologizer on Jun 2, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roly is 41

You cannot assume that he will be up to a 50-60 game season. You also cannot assume that either Mikko or Poulin will be ready to assume any load. And the only thing that you can assume about DP is that you cannot assume anything. You need a quality backup.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roli may be 41, but he has a better injury history then the vast majority of goalies out there. His conditioning/technique/biomechanics/genetics must be freakish.
 I would argue the opposite: in the era of the butterfly Roli has a better chance of finishing the season then most goalies and certainly any with previous hip or knee injuries

by neologizer on Jun 2, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you willing to bet the season on that?

Because under your scenario, if we don’t get a quality backup and Roly does go down, we will be depending on a goalie with a long history of knee and hip problems and another just recovering from a hip injury.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, especially since snow has stated he expects this team to make the playoffs next season. You just can’t rely on either DiPi or a 41 year old Rolo to carry the load next year.

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by David Hanssen on Jun 2, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

this next season may be DP’s last shot at proving he still has a career left. To rely on him at all is silly. Even if Roly is healthy, he could have a bad season. You have to have depth so that you have options. If the backup proves redundant…well that’s what deadline deals are for.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pointing out the flawed logic of stating Roli can’t carry the load because he’s 41. He’s proven better longevity then most goalies. Fine have a backup plan for a netminder, that’s expected. But I don’t buy this he’s 41 look out. The fact that he’s carried the workload he has injury free for so long would dictate he’s more likely to last the season then the average goalie

by neologizer on Jun 2, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give me examples of goalies that were over the age of 40 that played a full season without injury or platooning.

The only one that I can think of that played more than half of his teams games was Hasek in 06-07 with 56 but even then he was splitting significant time with Osgood.

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by David Hanssen on Jun 2, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would add that even if he were 21

an injury can happen at any time. How old was Mikko last year? And at 41, the odds of him having a season ender go up. You need a quality backup.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it can….. but then how come everyone harps on Martinek all the time? why this caution about drafting Connolly? Unlucky? maybe but intuitively some people are “injury prone”. The polar opposite are people like Roli. The butterfly style is asking your joints to do unnatural things. You must be fit, conditioned and have good biomechanics of the joints otherwise you will get injuried (hips!)and you will get arthritis and you will not be able to play when your 41 (ie DP and Mikko). Roli is a freak of nature, the fact he is still playing in the NHL is almost proof of that

by neologizer on Jun 2, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are talking about different things

You think twice about spending a #5 pick on a player who might be injury-prone. Other teams will think twice about trading for a player who has Martinek’s injury history.

But even players who aren’t injury-prone get injured and, at 41, a goalie’s game can go south. A team that goes into a season with said 41 yo goalie backed up by an invalid and a prospect coming off an injury is looking to be in the mix for the #1 pick again.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very well could be but I’d make Roli the odds on favorite to go the whole season over any other goalie the Isles have or will have. Can you name any goalie that played into his 40s injury free?

by neologizer on Jun 2, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roloson.

:D

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by TheMetalChick on Jun 3, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

doesn't matter

Nilsson is at least 1-2 years away so it really doesn’t matter whether he is under contract from a depth situation. I suppose it is encouraging that the Isles like his development to this point enough that they would be willing to sign him.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope we sign weight again so he can play the teacher role again, and maybe someone like bertuzzi or another playoff veteran at wing for some help for dougie

by pgat28 on Jun 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Bertuzzi

No

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 3, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Center

Man if Tomas Marcinko and DiBo are the top of the depth in Bridgeport at center next season that’s rough. They’ve got four very good centers in Nielsen, JT, RSH and Bailey and if Weight returns that will help the depth when he’s healthy. But if any of those four go down we better start praying Marcinko figures it out in his 3rd year in the AHL. I heard Ullstrom played some center on HV 71’s 3-4th line during parts of this season but his future is on the wing.

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by David Hanssen on Jun 2, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Caveat

I guess a big caveat is that these are only guys on NHL contracts (at the moment), so there’s plenty of room for the depth and minor-league type signings like they made last summer (and every summer, it seems).

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by Dominik on Jun 2, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Lee and Cizikas

although they are 1-2 years away. I suspect that Garth will have a number of Moulson-like minor signings to improve depth.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was thinking short term next year especially with the injury history of the past couple of years. I would rate Lee and Cizikas ahead of DiBo and Marcinko long term but neither will be playing in the organization next year.

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by David Hanssen on Jun 2, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised at D

to see Gervais or Martinek somewhere else. I see either harmonic or the #5 if it is used for a D in the line up and a FA. I am not sure who, i donot see us getting Vochenkov. The top FA D just seems liek he will end up on a team like NYR or Detroit. One of the usual high profile FA teams
I see us getting a Colaiacovo from STL or Foster from TB. someone maybe around $1.5 million.

by Rickfansince76 on Jun 2, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Colaiacovo would be a move that makes sense, has a medium price, and has risk/reward. I don’t think Volchenkov can fit in Detroit (or NYR, unless they cut some fat). Lots of hints that Washington will make a run. I don’t have high hopes for the A-Train but one thing in the Isles favor is they can make him a very rich man for a long time.

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by Dominik on Jun 2, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gervais or Martinek somewhere else

I would be astonished. Other teams are not going to want them for the same reasons we are worried about them. About all you can expect for either of them is a fifth or sixth round pick at best: Gervais because he is young and cheap…Martinek because he only has a year left on his deal. Hopefully Martinek stays healthy and Gervais has a better season.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still say a 5th or a 6th would be an improvement on Martinek. We drafted him in the 8th round, he’s done a decent job of filling a gap for a few years, now it’s time for him to go elsewhere.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 3, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

A. No team will give that up for him now. I was looking at the possibility that he would stay healthy and have a good year.

B. If we traded him, Garth would have two FA defensemen to sign, not one.

I still say the best thing with him is to hope he stays healthy and has a good year.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 3, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wingers, I hope Bailey is back at wing

I liked Bailey at wing, he put up nice numbers.

I hope we pick up a winger in the draft, Nino or Connolly

I do not seeing us spending the $$$ it would take for a top winger/forward like Kavalchuk or Frolov. again I see these guys with NYR or Det

I think it is silly to have Gillies instead of martin on the team. I think Martin showed a lot of upside, while Gillies took bad penalties.

I wouldn,t mind seeing Rob Niedermeyer in the Doug weight role as mentor, and also on the PK
maybe Kyle Wellwood
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Torres back

by Rickfansince76 on Jun 2, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Martin will probably be called up from time to time

but he and Gillies are different. Gillies is more of a heavyweight enforcer like his namesake while Martin is more of a middleweight like Bobby N.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

sigh.

The list of UFA forwards is just as depressing as our roster. The only guys worth pursuing at their listed salaries are Armstrong and Asham. The list of UFA D-men is possibly even more yawn-inducing.

by isles16 on Jun 2, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Makes you pray for another Moulson, doesn't it?

I do think Frolov would be worth his existing salary; but of course he should get minimum 50% more than that from an NHL or KHL club.

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by Dominik on Jun 2, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poni might be OK for a 1-2 year deal

and we all have talked about bring Torres or Nystrom here. I see Garth adding a forward, a defenseman, and a backup goalie through FA…apart from some minor depth additions that might yield another Moulson.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any of those would be nice, but hardly inspiring. Really wonder why Poni never fit in Pittsburgh; I figured that’d be a great match.

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by Dominik on Jun 2, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really talking about inspiring

just guys who can be responsible in their end and produce decent secondary scoring. Still need our guys to step up if this team is going to compete.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, but isles16 was talking about the depressing list of UFA forwards. That list I find mostly uninspiring, in that there are no perfect matches for the Isles in salary and talent.

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by Dominik on Jun 3, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep Park, and bring up Martin. Keep your fingers crossed. We could use a second line forward and 3-4 d man from FA pool.
  I don’t think we will trade our first pick “unless something blows Snow away” But a second round pick could bring in some new blood.

  I remain optomistic and open minded about the off season. Nothing is written in stone, and there’s no doubt the Isles need help if they aren’t going to be bottom dwellers again.

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by Martys301 on Jun 2, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

trading away picks is the last thing Garth should be doing

that’s not how you build a champion. Once he has a core in place, trading picks might make sense, but he is probably a draft or two away from that.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tambellini

I think we should bring Tambellini back for at least 1 more year. Early on he was scoring and playing with confidence, but then scott Gordon benched him for some reason i dont know

by nyidangle17 on Jun 2, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

why would he want to come back? hey Tamby, nice hat trick, now go back to the press box u scrub!

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by bob l on Jun 3, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

we caused tambellini enough pain id let him play somewhere else

by pgat28 on Jun 3, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Come back when you can see over Hillen!

Gordon has been struggling with the aggregate team size all year. To allow tambellini more ice time he would have to take some away from:
Moulson… are you effin kidding.
Bergenhiem… mabey the most aggressive forward on the team… no way.
Bailey… not a chance.
Sim… for all the yappin he does, and all the crap he took for two years Sim did a pretty good job. tambellini maybe gets a few more goals than Sim… but not many… but other teams piss all over him in the process. I give Tamby an A for effort, but he may be one of the only hockey players I’ve ever seen that takes more punishment when he DELIVERS a hit than the recipient.
Plus… i think the reason he was benched was he cowared in an icing touch-up situation that cost a scoring chance. I happened to miss that period, but you can’t have that… if that gets rewarded they are throwing tampons on the ice at the garden when he’s out there.
this year, if Joensuu and martin are on the fence there is no way gordon gives up size and grit for Thumbellini… no way… not after making a plea for SIZE SIZE SIZE at the end of the year.
If we can get a 2 round swap for his rights on draft day, take it. (TRS= Tamby and a fourth for a second)… if you can get a third straight up… executivce of the year short list… here you come!

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by JPinVA on Jun 3, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Snow Proxy

1. Isles have $15M to the floor. And one defensive hole filled when I give FL our first round pick, the late second round pick, Gervais and Tambellini for their #3 overall… to take Gudbranson. (It’s MY FANTASY!!!).. ok… we just don’t tender tambellini and we give up Comeau. (to be addressed later)
2. Let’s get the three RFA’s into camp and somewhat happy.
    A. Mat Moulson… 3YR… $1.8M/yr… this could be as much as $2.2M when his agent gets a copy of Trent Hunters pay stub.
    B. Sean Bergenheim… 1YR… $1.2M… hopefully to be followed by a longer deal next year…. but I doubt it.
    C. Rob Schremp [Hockey]… 1YR… $770K,,, same as above.. but I have a feeling RSH will have an offensive break out year..
    D. there are others, but they would be two way deals and won’t matter much against the cap.
3. ~$11M to the floor.
    A. I make a quick 3 year offer to Kovalchuk $8.5m/yr for 3 years… and a phat crib in Bath Beach… his agent hangs up… we move on.
   B. I make Volchenkov a $3.2M offer for 4 years… his agent says he’ll think about it… and on July 3 he counters with $3.5 for 5. I give him $3.5 for 4 and the phat crib….everybody is happy…
__________ $6.5M to the floor_________
In my fantasy Rick DiPietro and Oliver Perez both spend a year in the minors…
So I offer Peter Budaj $1.5M for 2 years… if all works out he is the #1 next year with Koskinen playing in the NHL behind him. But this is where DP gets in the way of a good fantasy…. Budaj takes the offer to be a 1A behind a 41 year old and understands that he’ll get 30+ games the following year to prove he’s a #1.
__________$5M to the floor_____________
Freddy Meyer’s agent has been calling non-stop. I promised him a deal, but I told him to weigh other offers and call me. He says he has a $1.1M deal on the table for 3 years… I tell him he went through waivers just a season ago, and he might really like the KHL… they make a very nutritious borsht…. He accepts 3 years for $750K and a promise that Wang will put a juice bar in the Lighthouse plans.
__________$4M to the floor_____________
Colby Armstrong…$2.7M… to be what we expected Comeau to be.

Moulson-Tavares-Okposo
Bergenhiem/Joensuu-Schremp-Armstrong
Joensuu/Martin-Bailey-Comeau (if FL takes Tambellini, Hunter if not)
Martin/Gillies-Nielsen-Hunter

Streit-Volchenko
Hillen-Meyer/Gudbranson(good camp, he stays up)
Martinek-MacDonald/Witt
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this is a pretty thin team, but that’s what you get at the Cap Floor… and only 4 years of not sleeping at the draft table.
Something could emerge from BP with Rakhshani and Ullstrom, but they are probably a year or two away if they can make the jump.
But defensively there are a lot more top prospects then we’ve had in a while… there may be a point where we don’t get completely disgusted when an Islander D (Marty, I’m talking to YOU) goes down.

NHL 500... Let the Less Filling vs Tastes Great debate begin!

by JPinVA on Jun 2, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

The team might seem thin now...but wait to see what JT and the others offer this year

We are really talking fringes. For this team to really contend, JT and the others have to really have breakout seasons. Otherwise, none of this really matters and we might as well Lose for Larsson.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...

If we get a continuation of momentum and direction from the end of last year, especially Bergy and Comeau, I think they will be okay this year. Hopefully Joensuu and Martin get legit chances, but they are going to need some scoring, and somebody to replace Park’s PK and faceoff work.
Some of that leftover “to the floor” money might also go to Nystrom, or maybe Malhotra… It will make camp and the first part of the season more interesting.

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by JPinVA on Jun 2, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like Nystrom is unlikely

and Malhotra is only a possibility if SJ can’t fit him into its cap scheme as he has indicated a desire to return there. But I would love to add both of them as well as Volcenkhov or Michalek. Maybe Ellis at G.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If our top level talent doesn’t continue to develope in leaps and bounds the rebuild is a failure regardless of what FAs we add. If JT, KO, Josh and Frans don’t contiue to develope into the core adding Larsson won’t help. Time to blow ’er up and head for the Brooklyn!

Draft Connolly, we need more offence- Don't gimme no hip.

by since70too on Jun 2, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take it he expected a deep run into the playoffs this year.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 3, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

otherwise we trade JT and Hamonic!!!

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 3, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

With that lineup, i have one question. Who the heck will kill penalties? Not one really decent defensive forward there.
  I still save keep Park.

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by Martys301 on Jun 3, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frans and Bergenheim?

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by Dominik on Jun 3, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two sets...

Surprisingly, Streit gets the PK off. The four PK defensemen will be the two biggest, even if one is a rookie, with Marty and Meyer. You can throw Mac and/or Hillen if it’s a defensive penalty. I’d like to see Streit used to generate more offense, and less minutes over the course of the season should help that. That’s another reason I’d rather not see rookies nibbling minutes in the NHL.
The forwards are easy. Of course, the two best PK guys, Bergy and Frans…. but Okposo was pretty good on the PK last year, and comeau(if he doesn’t go to FL) has been solid…. does anybody know if Big Bergy (Joensuu) has been used on the PK in BP?
BTW: Before the injury I can remember RSH having a few good looking stints on the PK… Between him and Okie I think I’d rather have RSH on the PP point (rather have Hillen if he’s ready this year) and Okie down low… which should give them two PP lines without Bailey… and bailey ups his minutes on the PK.
PP: Moulson-tavares-Okposo, Martin/Joensuu-Schremp-Comeau/Hunter
PK: Begie-Frans, Bailey-Okie/Schremp/Comeau… most important thing about a PK forward (IMHO) is the ability to take faceoffs. The second thing is quickness…
For PK defenders it’s like a chess match… they sacrafice a big rook and a pawn, to take out your knight… if your knight is too small that creates a secondary mismatch… and that’s where we found ourselves for long stretches… and one of the credits that the asst coaches don’t get enough credit for solving… as they did improve without improving defensive personnel post Sutton.

Yep… and that was the readers’ digest version.

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by JPinVA on Jun 3, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chess
For PK defenders it’s like a chess match… they sacrafice a big rook and a pawn, to take out your knight… if your knight is too small that creates a secondary mismatch… and that’s where we found ourselves for long stretches…

Ha, sweet way to look at it. And yes, I think we have lots of PK-capable forwards, it’s the D that needs work.

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by Dominik on Jun 3, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Found Money

Hey JP, I think you’re short a million dollars. You went from $11 million to $6.5 million with the Volchenkov deal, but that’s a difference of $4.5 million. So really, after that deal you should have been down to $7.5 million, not $6.5 million. So, you’ve got an extra million to play with…

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by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 3, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used most of that...

on hookers, drugs and booze… I just blew the rest.

‘cause it’s my fantasy, and I can hang with the tugger if I want to!

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by JPinVA on Jun 3, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ironically, $4.5 million may be the more on-the-mark figure for Volchenkov anyway. I bet he’s going to command a mint from someone, particularly if it’s the Isles.

…which means less money on hookers, drugs and booze.

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by Dominik on Jun 3, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damp Towel

It’s like the door just opened in the middle of a good hot shower…
Dom,
Do you really think he can demand that much with a flat cap, and little offensive productivity. I get the fact that he’s a shut down d, but SDD’s haven’t become the NHL’s Left Tackles just yet. I haven’t seen enough of him to have an opinion either way, but I’d be willing to wager that the market puts him closer to my range.

…and I’m back in vegas for the NHL awards… with two different russians…

and

NHL 500... Let the Less Filling vs Tastes Great debate begin!

by JPinVA on Jun 3, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

notice the two handed technique she uses, clearly this isn’t her first rodeo

:-)

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by bob l on Jun 3, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two reasons

1. Komisarek got silly money (sure, it was from Toronto, but still. To the highest bidder goes the mercenary).
2. There’s just not that much out there.
3. Sounds like the cap (and ye gods the floor!) will actually go up as much as $2 million, and NHL GMs seldom behave timidly when the cap grows.

Fine, that was three.

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by Dominik on Jun 3, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

My dream deal

The Isles send Rolli and Nilson to Chicago for Huet, Sharp, Chris Beach and Chicago’s number one pick. This helps the Hawks with goaltending (both short and long term) and gives them alot of cap relief but the Isles get a serious upgrade on the wing, a nice prospect and another first round pick they can maybe use to move up into the middle of the first round with along with one of their seconds.

Of course this means we rely on Huet (french canadian for help me I can’t stop a beach ball with a snow shovel) and DP in net so obviously need an upgrade in the nets for the near term. Still plenty of cash to offer a couple of solid/very good D men. I’m not at all in favour of rushing any of the prospects, they can all mature and develop in the minors.

by Styxcanada on Jun 2, 2010 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Chicago cap

I don’t see chicago trading prospects or picks- they need all the cheap entry level contracts they can get. They need to shed big contract dollars- Campell etc. for ready to play prospects.

Draft Connolly, we need more offence- Don't gimme no hip.

by since70too on Jun 2, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hawks might be interested in a deal sending Huet elsewhere, but not Sharp or Beach. Versteeg has been in Q’s doghouse. They MIGHT consider packaging their first rounder with Huet and Versteeg for Schremp and Bergenheim or Joensuu possibly. I think they are happy with Niemi and would just want a backup. I would not want to trade Roly and rely on Huet. Maybe include Biron’s rights in the deal.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should add that...

Chicago MIGHT move Sharp, but they’d want our #5 pick in the deal. In fact, a very Sather-like move would be for him to send Redden through waivers and trade Grachev and his #10 pick for Sharp.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 2, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

upgrades

Josh plays wing on the second line. Gillies is an AHLer most of time. We need two 3rd liners, give Adam Burish the raise he wants. Whisper sweet nothings in Aaron Ashams ear to see if wants to kiss and make up- he might as well play for everyone in the division twice. We need a couple big bodied NHL defensemen. Maybe Christoph Schubert is in our price range. Give Hamhuis what he wants. Bring in Budaj or Auld for 30-40 game back up roll and we have a team that can compete for a playoff position this year with out plugging up spots long term for our prospects that are 1-3 years away from contributing at tthis level. All without breaking wangs billfold.

Draft Connolly, we need more offence- Don't gimme no hip.

by since70too on Jun 2, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

You sound too much like Maple Leaf fan. Every minute of every day they try to figure out who they get and make it work when you know there’s no way all of those pieces make the puzzle.

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!

by Martys301 on Jun 3, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

UFA wingers

i agree with pursuing Torres, as well as Adam Mair as a second choice – a friend of mine is a sabres fan and said that this kid does nothing but skate and hit, and is a ball of energy. i figure Torres is probably on a lot of teams’ lists for a gritty forward and someone will be stupid and throw Jeff Finger money at him.

not much out there, so it’ll have to be a trade or rookies.

by nullzero00 on Jun 2, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Not big on Torres, how did he look so horrible playing for Buffalo.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 3, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bailey was so much better on the Wing, and Schremp was so much better as a Center, I think you have to make those two moves.

By what we have now, the first line is obviously going to stay Moulson – JT – KO, the Second line Bailey – Schremp – Comeau, Third line Nielsen and Hunter with another Defensive forward (Wouldn’t mind seeing Sim or Park back) with the Fourth line being any cheap grinders we can pick up or another guy like Gillies (who I think will see a lot more of BP then LI next year)

On the defense, I think it’s going to be a youth movement. It’s time to say goodbye to Martinek if we can get someone to take him during the Draft. Obviously there’s issues with his health, but there’s always teams willing to gamble. So we’d have going into camp Streit, MacDonald, Hillen and Bruno as having spots. I prefer Meyer over Bruno personally, but I think Snow is willing to chance it for one more season to see if he can return to his old form.

That leaves 2 spots, maybe 3 if you want to carry 7. I think Snow doesn’t drop the big money on a UFA dman, instead he plucks another Streit/Moulson move. Do I know who? not at all, but I have faith. The final spot/s would be a battle between Witt (Who should be given a chance in case his injury was the root of his problems last year) Katic, Harmonic, De Hann, Kohn and Reese. If Witt can do okay in camp and the Islanders carry 7 dmen, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back but scratched a lot. I think the final spot would come down to Reese or Kohn, with the runner up being on Snow’s speed dial if Bruno Struggles.

The Goalie situation, well by now you know my thoughts on it. If they don’t bring back Biron, and plan to have a steady Vet to backup Rollie (who I think will be fine this season) then I wouldn’t mind Raycroft, Lalime or Boucher. Mikko’s been shot up the pole pretty quickly, but I think they still want to give him more time with BP.

None of this considers the Salary cap or the floor. So if my guess is like 10 mill under floor let me know. I just get the feeling that Garth likes the current core of forwards on the Island, and that this season he might be looking to go younger with the D and hope that they are ready.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 3, 2010 12:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I see you have apparently traded Bergy. I like Witter and he is Grapes’ favorite player, but you can stick a fork in him. Need to sign 2-3 FA defensemen and one should be a top four. Like some others, you want to keep Bailey on wing, but I do not. I want him to develop as a center.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 3, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

only fair BC, you’ve already traded RSH

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by bob l on Jun 3, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

My mistake, I always miss Bergie. It would come down to how he did in camp and how he does in the first month or so of the season. I would have him on the fourth line but rotate him in and out with the 2nd and 3rd lines depending on how people struggle.

I only keep Witt around if he has an okay camp and we are carrying 7 d-men. If we carry 7 dmen you might as well take him with us as he has nothing to gain from being in BP.

The closer we get to FA, the less I get the feeling that we are going to overpay for a top dman. Now it’s always possible that Garth swoops in and takes someone as a surprise (ala Rollie last year) but he’s not going to overpay. Not only that, but I suspect he has his eyes on another cheap big return on investment dman along with some quality depth dmen like the pickup of Reese last year.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 3, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its OK

I was just curious as to who you’d traded him for. Don’t see Witter back with the club at all. Let him break in the pups at Bridgeport. Garth will need to sign a top four with some snarl as well as a few depth guys for the blueline.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 3, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being “Grapes’ favorite player” is almost an indictment in itself these days…

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by Dominik on Jun 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

What are you talkin' about?!

Good Saskatchewan boy. Gets cut, gets stitched, comes right back in for a last place club. That’s the way to go. B-E-A-U-T-Y!!!!

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 3, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

On Goalies

The closest Comparison you can make to Rollie would be Tim Thomas. They are both older Goalies who didn’t solidify their position in the league until after the lockout. It could have been argued that Rollie was a system goalie during his time with the Wild, although his partner with the Wild is no longer playing hockey.

Rollie since the lockout, Saves
05-06 1,140
06-07 1,780
07-08 1,000
08-09 1,700
09-10 1,400
So about 7,000 saves since the Lockout

Thomas since the lockout
05-06 1,100
06-07 1,800
07-08 1,600
08-09 1,600
09-10 1,100
So that’s 7,200 saves since the lockout

Consider that Thomas definitely lost his starting job last season, and was greatly outplayed by Rask while playing in front of the same team. What am I trying to show by comparing the two?

You don’t give an older goalie absolutely no incentive. Tim Thomas is a nice guy, and was a feel good story, but it comes across as him cashing in. Rollie meanwhile played last season with a chip on his shoulder (basically showing that he was the only thing holding the Oilers together) and this season he will be playing to get one more payday or one more chance to win a cup. The league has seen what a hot Rollie can do, especially in the playoffs. I doubt that Rollie is going to come into the season anything less then tip top conditioning. He’s not going to fall apart due to his own mistakes.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 3, 2010 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Fantasy GM

I’ll bet my assets this whole GM thing is harder than it looks.Starting from the net out and with Roly as the starter,Ricky has the back up spot.Joining Mikko in BP as my insurance policy for DP’s eventual breakdown will be cult favourite Wade Dubielewicz,with Poulin starting in Utah and moving to Bridgeport when the dominos start to fall.It is my belief that Dubie can handle the uncertainty of the Islanders crease more than anyone that is currently out there.Besides if not for Dubie in 06-07 this non playoff streak extends past the lockout.If the Isles can’t land any of the big fish on July 1, I would bring back Sutton on a 1 or 2 year deal.I would also sign Marc-Andre Bergeron for the powerplay.MAB is known as being one dimensional but it is not a bad dimension to have as the Isles don’t have anyone on their roster(excluding Streit)or in their system who can be considered a serious powerplay threat.I still have Volchenkov at the top of my wish list but I am doubting he would sign here.At forward some names that intrigue me are in no particular order are,Eric Nystrom,Nik Zherdev.Evgeni Artyukhin,Max Afinogenov,Patrick Marleau and Ilya Kovalchuk.None of this will come into play but that is what makes it interesting.What if it did ?There I’ve got my own history what if.Just remember kids we are all on the same team here and we are all pulling the wagon in the same direction so to speak,but once again that’s the fun part,we all have are own opinionsand personal favourites.

by Isle Of Weight on Jun 4, 2010 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

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