Picking over the Blackhawks (and Flyers) cap carcass
First, some actual Islanders media coverage: As discussed yesterday, Chris Botta reports at FanHouse that someone with the Mets initiated a feasibility study for an Isles arena next door; Newsday gets a source who refutes it, and around and round we go. Meanwhile -- AGENT-SPEAK CAVEAT -- captain Doug Weight's agent tells USA Today that Weight is in talks with the team to return. Now to the regular post...
It's not merely the vulture-like nature of the news cycle that has prompted so many Blackhawks roster-devouring stories so soon after their Stanley Cup win. They really do have unavoidable cap issues, and the planning for digging out from under them really does begin now. The draft is 11 days away, when teams are in a roster-framing frame of mind, and free agency begins just a week after that. (Leave it to Earl Sleek at Battle of Cali to capture the dilemma in cartoon form, complete with current events parallel motif.)
As early as the beginning of the 2009-10 season, it was popular around here to use the Islanders voluptuous cap space as cause to covet our neighbor's goods. Yet much to our chagrin, the Hawks stood pat at the trade deadline and went for it without even buying Martin Biron -- and it paid off ... dammit.
Still, now that the Hawks cannot play another game without first making painful cuts, we can resume hoping those cuts -- and to a lesser extent, the Flyers' cuts -- might fall to the butcher shop floor, where we'll eagerly lap them up. Of course, that involves convincing them to take scraps in return, something even a team in their situation might balk at.
The Good News: The Hawks, even if they bury Christobal Huet and Brent Sopel in the minors, will have to shed a talent or two.
The Bad News: 29 other clubs know this, too. While many of those teams are cap-tight themselves, the Hawks should have multiple bidders to leverage against each other. They can definitely get creative, and assemble an army of league-minimum replacements eager to join a Stanley Cup winner.
Ground Rules
Some facts and projections to keep in mind before you play fantasy GM:
- The cap is expected to go up to around $58 million -- although as Larry Brooks helpfully points out when he's not complaining about the CBA being unfair, that only happens if the union does indeed enact their escalator clause. They're expected to, but if they don't, the cap might be more like $56 million.
- That's bad news for the Hawks, because as James Mirtle (among many) points out, they already have $$57.6 million in 2010-11 committed to only 14 players.
- But that's not all: Because the Hawks used the "bonus cushion" and young stars Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane did indeed achieve their bonuses, the Hawks this season actually went over the cap. The move is legal, but it also means their cap room next year is diminished by the amount they went over using the bonus cushion. Mirtle pegs their real cap ceiling for 2010-11 at something like $54.5 million.
- Now, "Big deal," you say. "They can just bury Huet's $5.6 million hit." Well sure, they can (and should) do that. But you must remember that with each player buried, that's one more roster player who needs replacing. They could replace Huet with a minimum-wage goalie, but they'd also have to buy some quality in goal -- either by giving Antti Niemi (an RFA) a sizable raise or by bringing in another free agent.
Summary: if they sent Huet and Brent Sopel to the AHL, they'd trim about $8 million from that $57.6 million leaving them at $49.6 million, which leaves them ... about $5 million to buy two goalies, four defensemen and four forwards. Minimum. Make no mistake: There will be blood. And it will not -- cannot -- be restricted to that of Huet and Sopel.
Personally, as a fan of NHL trades and general roster chaos, I hope this motivates some team to get really creative with an offer. Brian Campbell is a really nice player on a really bad contract. But a team with lots of cap room (and cash. There must be cash.) could agree to take $7.14 million of cap pain off the Hawks hands in exchange for ... well, nothing. The Hawks are in such a fix and Campbell's contract is so ridiculous (EDIT: I neglected to mention this, but as Hawks blogger Forklift points out in comments, he even has a limited NTC where he can exclude 21 other teams), I'd start my offer with a 5th-round pick and haggle up to, say, a minimum wage defenseman.
Ask yourself this: Would you trade Bruno Gervais in exchange for committing $7.14 million dollar per season for the next six seasons to Campbell -- until the still-mobile Campbell is 37? If you hesitated even for a moment, you understand just how crazy that contract is for a 40-point defenseman who doesn't play the PK.
But Campbell's big hit is the deal that's really restricting the Hawks right now. It's their highest salary by far and one of their longest deals. So if they could get rid of him and keep most of the rest of their team ... wouldn't they do it for almost nothing?
Start Feasting, You Vultures
Now, I don't expect a Gervais-for-Campbell deal to happen. I'm really not sure anyone outside of Dale Tallon, who signed that contract in the first place, would plunge on Campbell for that rate and term. But the point is Chicago has to do something, yet they may also have options in multiple bidders.
So the question is: If you're the Islanders looking at their roster, whom do you target? Who do you think is: 1) worth their current deal, 2) someone you can get without giving up much, and 3) someone the Hawks will vote off the island?
You can add to this question the Flyers, who have less of a cap issue, but still need a goalie and might have to shed one of their big-money scorers. I don't picture them sending Jeff Carter our way (and one of their problems is they have multiple centers who don't want to play wing, so that doesn't help the center-happy Isles), but you can still play around with their roster.
The Free Targets
The UFA's
Figure these guys will all be gone, because they are UFAs who will want raises for being on Cup finalists, and both Cup finalists can't afford to pay premiums for bottom-six/pair players:
John Madden (old)
Adam Burish (useless)
Kim Johnsson (hurt)
Nick Boynton (crazy, but possibly too much so)
Arron Asham (interesting ... reformed and refined?)
Lukas Krajicek (hmm ... I need convincing)
Danny Syvret (uh, no)
RFA's
There are also some RFA's that either team could walk away from if they get to uppity with their demands:
Ryan Parent (I dunno, the Flyers sure found no use for him in April, May and June)
Brayden Coburn (he should be re-signed)
Daniel Carcillo (likewise, and hell no regardless)
Andrew Ladd (plausible)
Ben Eager (nah...)
Jack Skille (skilled but enigmatic)
Niklas Hjalmarsson (interesting, but seems like one the Hawks could retain)
The Money-Makers
And this leaves us with the names that have come up over and over this past season -- the core of $3 million-plus Hawks, of which one or two seem destined to move:
Patrick Sharp $3.9 million, 2 more years
Dave Bolland $3.375 million, 4 more years
Kris Versteeg $3.083 million, 2 more years
Dustin Byfuglien $3 million, 1 more year (becomes an RFA next summer)
Part of me thinks the Hawks wouldn't deal Buff after that playoff -- he provides rare size, and he's the cheapest of the lot, anyway. The other part of me thinks this is a great time to sell high on him, as he still carries the "inconsistent" label and he depends on good linemates to control play and feed the puck to the net. Frankly, I'd happily add any of the above to the Islanders. Sharp would be great if he could fill in on RW; Buff would be an instant size boost (and hopefully still evolving player) on LW. Bolland is the proverbial "tough to play against," while Versteeg's decision-making makes me worry, but his skill is evident.
What would I give up? You'll laugh, but the Hawks need cheap help. So after they rejected my offers of "Bobby Hughes and a 5th," I'd move up to a Islanders RFA who has some scoring touch but cannot command much money: That means Jeff Tambellini -- that's right, Tambellini -- but not Rob Schremp or Sean Bergenheim. Otherwise, Jesse Joensuu if they want him to replace Buff, maybe Rhett Rakhshani if they insist. The important thing is they need cheap players who can subsist without dragging down their better linemates; I honestly think Tambellini could do that.
However, since that's low-balling them and they're likely to find someone else who's just a tad more generous, well, so be it. This isn't a charity, and they're the ones who got themselves into this mess (for a very nice reward) in the first place...
... But realistically, NHL GMs seldom outright screw their peers. They feel compelled to offer some level of fair value, lest they be in need somewhere down the line. So you can offer them others if you like (Bergenheim, Schremp, or Blake Comeau), but beyond those guys there simply aren't any cheap and touchable Islanders who would passably fit the Hawks needs. In the end, there probably isn't a match here. But we can dream.
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well, well, i am sure that the islanders are more than ready to help out here…
Huet for 5,6m UFA 2012 / Sopel 2,3m UFA 2011/ Versteeg 3,0M RFA 2012 and their First Round Pick 2010 (Number 30) (minus 10,9m)
Roloson for 2,5m UFA 2011 / Gervais 0,7 RFA 2011 and their Third Round Pick 2010 (Number 65)
Koskinen will be ready and hot in 2012 and Travis “the New Hammer” Hamonic will fight with Sopel for third line duty already this year… in 2011 De Haan will be hopfully ready for action …… and I am sure that a young first line with Versteeg-Tavares-Okposo would be taff to stop for years to come…
yeah well, yes
.. it is not about Sopel… he can wash the towels in the AHL if that helps the team… it’s all about Versteeg and the first rounder…..
Well we already have a guy like that, his name is Brendan “SUV Crusher” Witt.
R.I.P. Hans und Franz... this is the price of professionalism.
by David Hanssen on Jun 15, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
you are never too old to learn...or...no
.. but who cares you can always bury him next to Witt in the AHL ….. would be at least a handsome but not too talented couple…
Huet
DO NOT WANT. I have a good friend who’s a Hawks fan, and Huet brought him close to the brink of murder more than a few times last year. He did not look good at all to me.
Unless we think he’s due for a big improvement or there’s some plan to bring up/bring in another goalie, I have no interest in dealing our only really reliable goalie with a return of an ostensibly terrible one.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 15, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I would see us dealing rights to Biron
and taking Huet’s cap hit in return for say the #43 pick and throwing in Bergy for the #30.
If Koskinnen or Poulin were ready for 2011-12
whichever one of those could be in tandem with Huet eventually working out to that goalie being the #1 and Huet the backup.
I really want no part of Huet
For me, taking him off their hands would require more than just a 2nd-round pick in the deal.
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throw in Beach, Olson, or Skille then
change the “or” to an “and,” then lets talk!
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 16, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I might wait to see what we have
I would DEFINITLY sign another Defensemen. Our blue line just sucks.
I wouldn’t get my hopes up over picking the carcass of a cap strapped team. The way you can manipulate the cap these days it’s practically non existent.
I don’t have my hopes up for the Islanders benefiting, certainly, but someone is going to. The numbers just don’t add up to Chicago manipulating out of this without giving up some talent.
But then I don’t see the cap as all that malleable. You can work it on the edges (LTIR in Philadelphia, Lou’s Laws in NJ), but if it were easier than that we would have seen more trades at the deadline.
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He looks like a smart Chris Pronger
R.I.P. Hans und Franz... this is the price of professionalism.
by David Hanssen on Jun 15, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Sopel...
Only carries a $2.33MM cap hit, and his PK work pretty much gives him job security.
Campbell has a NTC, where he can specify up to 8 teams he’d agree to be dealt to, so I’m not sure he’d put a still-rebuilding team on his list.
Versteeg is by far the Blackhawk who shouldn’t get a subscription to the Chicago Tribune. He’s making over $3MM for the next two years, and can spend the entire game making you tear your hair out, then score the game-winning goal. So you walk out of the building remembering the game winner. He’s a top 6 forward for the Islanders, and with the amount of ice time he’d get, he’d pop in 25-30 goals.
Now if you wanted blue line help from the Hawks, the way to go about it is to look at their prospects. They’ve got some real good ones. They’ve got 2 college players who were both first rounders last year – Dylan Olsen and Nick Leddy. Then there’s two in the minors, Brian Connelly and Shawn Lalonde. Each of these guys project to be top 4s, but once Hjalmarsson (this summer) and Seabrook (next summer) are signed, the Hawks’ top 4 is set for years.
They might also at least want to throw hulking winger Kyle Beach (52G 186PIM at Spokane) into the conversation and see where it goes.
Just two cents from a Hawks’ blogger. Hope this helps.
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They might also at least want to throw hulking winger Kyle Beach (52G 186PIM at Spokane) into the conversation and see where it goes
With that it would go right to “yes, please!” if you were dealing with me!
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 15, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I would love to get Beach. I think his WHL playoff numbers (7 goals, 2 assists and 19 PIMs in 7 games) are as impressive as the 52 goals in the regular season.
R.I.P. Hans und Franz... this is the price of professionalism.
by David Hanssen on Jun 15, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks forklift
First off, congrats on the Hawks’ win.
Second, you know how unrealistic fans can be when it’s time to make imaginary deals for your own side – the drooling over what might be gets in the way of what’s possible. So let me ask you, Isles guy to Hawks guy: if the ISles and Hawks announce tomorrow that they are definitely making a trade, what do YOU hope to see from the Isles, and what would you think is fair from Chicago’s POV?
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Thanks...
…for the congratulations.
If I heard Hawks/Isles in a trade, my first thought would be “Versteeg”. If that were the case, I’d think Versteeg for a second rounder, either 2010 or 2011, depending if it happens before or after the draft. Huet/Rollie doesn’t make sense, if only because the Isles wouldn’t want to pay over $10MM/year for the next two for one goalie who may be completely shellshocked, and another who is on a guenry more than he’s on skates.
If Huet stays in the NHL, Atlanta seems like the logical landing place – Rick Dudley was Dale Tallon’s assistant in Chicago, they’ve got a buttload of cap space and no goalie.
Believe me though…I’m pretty sure Stan Bowman’s phone will be anything but quite this summer.
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guenry?
Sorry folks, meant “gurney”.
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I got “gurney” out of it, but I admit I initially had fun hearing “gunnery.”
I’m not sure I want the torture of rooting for Versteeg (though it’s always hard discerning whether a guy is starting to figure it out more, and whether a fanbase is giving him a bad rap), but I agree he’d be the most likely if a Hawks/Isles deal happened.
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Thanks, Fork
I thought about introducing the blueline into this, but I could only stray so far into the fantasy. (That’s what comments are for!). But something like that — where some prospects at different stages of development are included in the mix along with the cap relief sounds more realistic. I’m really curious how this all pans out, because Bowman and a partner (or two) could get really creative.
Thanks for the reminder about Campbell’s NTC. I don’t figure he’d pick the Isles, but then again just moving him anywhere with that contract requires suspending disbelief.
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Congratulations indeed!
Yes, from what I understand, Versteeg has been in Q’s doghouse, so I am sure that he will be gone. Huet, of course. After that, tough choices. If you do not let Sopel go, you probably have to trade as many as two forwards perhaps Sharp AND Byfuglien. I would think that Huet, Versteeg, and Sopel would be the three most likely to go. Does Bowman simply put Huet and Sopel through waivers and send them to Rockford? Huet is safe, but Sopel might be claimed. Perhaps trade him for a less expensive younger defenseman with a draft pick for the cap dump. Trade Versteeg for a draft pick to compensate and then send another draft pick out for an RFA forward like our Sean Bergenheim. When the dust clears, however, you may still need to unload a more essential piece.
Nick Leddy
I don’t think the Isles would be interested too much in Nick Leddy. They already have an undersized, underachieving, offensive minded defenseman playing at the University of Minnesota in Aaron Ness. They really don’t need another Don Lucia-created headcase of a defenseman. Dylan Olsen on the other hand would be an interesting pick-up. He’s big and physical, just the type of blue liner the organization would like right now.
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by David Hanssen on Jun 15, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Sharp has to be the longest of long shots.
All of those Hawks have that weird father-son love for Dale Tallon; I could see Florida getting involved.
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Rollie
I have posted a few times that I would think a natural deal would be Huet here and Rolli there along with ALOT of sweetner from the Hawks end (players, prospects, draft picks). Rolli would help them defend the cup they just won and help Niemi, should he stay, conttinue to develop. The Hawks save some serious cap space by moving Huet and possibly one of their 3 mill guys while getting an upgrade in net (yes I believe Rolli is an upgrade over Niemi). While this wouldn’t completely solve the Hawks cap issues it would do the least damage to their current roster and actually potentially benefit them. The Islanders get a nice boost in the rebuild with some mix of picks, prospects, and a top six forward while giving up an asset (Rollie) who won’t be around when the rebuild starts taking serious shape anyways.
I have to say I wouldn’t touch the Campbell, or Hossa contracts even if they were offered for free as the term is way too long on both of them. Much like Yashin they may well end up being the gift that just keeps on giving.
But you have to be realistic
Roli has less value to the Hawks than he does to the Islanders. Why would Chicago take on a 41-year-old guy, even to back up, even if he’s not all that bad, at that price? Far from sweeteners from their end – they can just send Huet to a team dying for a keeper (definitely NOT the Islanders), who are willing to pony up a better prospect or a decent pick. They can get a reasonable backup on the open market for less than Roli makes – Martin Biron, for example. Same reason no deal was forthcoming during the cup run, when it would have been easier to move a salary like Huet.
We’re not getting someone’s prime rib for our leftover turkey salad. We’re not even getting someone’s overdone steak for our fresh PBJ. Even a likely mover like Versteeg is going to bring them back a kid they like in his place, or a high pick, or a prospect+mid-round. They won’t take on a salary unless they shed some major dollars in exchange. That’s how Huet gets tossed in, if at all.
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I don't think...
(Which is generally a problem) they can move Huet and his contract without giving up something. The Hawks lost so much faith in him that they wouldn’t even put him in when Niemi was getting his brains beaten in during some games in the playoffs. The main option for them with Huet at this point is burying him in the minors so his contract doesn’t count against the cap. There was some speculation out there that even if they put him on waivers there would be no takers (that is to say people don’t want this guy even if he’s for free). Rolli was the main reason the Isles weren’t in the Taylor Hall/ Tyler Seguin discussions leading up to this point. He showed he’s still got some miles left and so may still have some value.
I agree the Hawks could get someone cheaper (possilby Biron) but I doubt they’ll get anyone who’s played as well as Rolli for less than Rolli is making. Everyone knows the Hawks have serious cap issues and none of the teams that have the cap room to help them alleviate that are going to lining up for Huet or Sopel unless they get something in return. I agree that the Hawks could well choose to bury Huet in the minors and just pay him but not have it count against the cap. They will still need to spend something for a reasonable back up for Niemi or to possibly replace him if they can’t get a deal done.
Options...
What the Hawks can do with Huet is what they almost did with Khabibulin 2 years ago – waive him, then let him try to make a deal with a European team – similar to what Washington did with Nylander. No cap hit, and Huet gets the extra money from playing in Europe.
This year’s FA market is heavy in second-tier goalies. The Hawks will sign Niemi, since the United Center will get burned to the ground if they let their Cup-winner go, regardless of how he played overall in the postseason.
The closest thing they have to a goaltending prospect is Corey Crawford. He’s shitty.
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The Hawks will sign Niemi, since the United Center will get burned to the ground if they let their Cup-winner go, regardless of how he played overall in the postseason.
Im not sure about that. I dont know a lot of Hawks fans, but the one Im close to (who is one of my closest friends) like Niemi but would be thrilled if they had a better, dependable goalie.
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the problem is
a better more dependable goalie will mean less cap space and fewer of their talented skaters in front of whoever. I suspect that most Hawk fans will accept Niemi if doing that enables them to keep their core in place.
Here's the thing...
…there’s two things.
First, the Hawks’ system of a full-out backcheck, plus puck control means an adequate goalie (like Niemi, or even Huet before QStache sat him for a month, basically rendering him useless) is enough.
Secondly, the salary cap has forced a paradigm shift – when was the last time a Vezina finalist made it past the second round of the playoffs? It makes more sense to bulk up the blueline.
That’s not to say if you could get Ryan Miller you wouldn’t, it just means you can forego an “elite” goaltender in this age and still find success.
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that will hold true until the first time the Hawks lose to a hot goalie in the playoffs
Then there will be a lot of people calling upon Stan B. to blow up the roster and bring in a bigtime goalie. Not sure when the last Vezina finalist won a Cup. Am sure that this is the first Finals I can remember in which both goaltenders were as poor as these two. Last goalie to win Conn Smythe was Ward in 2006 and he beat Brodeur and Miller to get there.
The Hawks, along with Niemi, beat Rinne, Luongo and Nabokov, all of whom are better than Niemi is at this stage in his career.
“Hot goalie” applied to Halak this season. It happens.
This year was Niemi and Leighton. The two years before that was Osgood and Fleury. Year before that? Giguere and Ray Emery. Woof.
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but Ozzie and Fleury turned in superlative performances
Nabby and more and more Bobby Lu too are goalies that cannot get it done when it counts. A lot of folks up here in NW BC were hoping his gold medal experience would change things this year, but it didn’t pan out. Rinne was just playing for a team that didn’t have enough horses and choked at critical times. How do you have a PP and a lead with the game basically over and give up the tying goal?!
If Chicago is going to win consistently, Niemi is either going to have to become a much better money goalie, as Billy did for us, or you will need to get somebody who is.
Niemi was huge when he had to be (he stole two games in the SJ series) and was good enough the rest of the time, making big saves when he had to. Nabby actually wasn’t that bad against the Hawks, the Sharks defense lacked the speed to keep up with the Hawks’ transition game…the same thing that eventually did the Flyers in.
The Hawks have, essentially, two first pairs on defense, and one pair who have a death wish when it comes to shot blocking – couldn’t believe how many Shea Weber slappers Sopel threw himself in front of. That covers a lot of sins as far as goaltending goes.
Niemi should improve – he shit the crease against the Islanders, and kept his cool throughout the playoffs…one game against Vancouver was the only time he wasn’t in net. He wasn’t good in that game, but there was a complete systemic meltdown in front of him.
Here’s one thing about Chicago though…whomever is the backup goalie becomes Lord of the Net once the Hawks’ starter has a bad game or two. I don’t think Huet was ever able to tune that out, despite being a pretty decent technical goalie. Niemi is a total space cadet, and because of that I don’t think anything affects him much.
And there will never be another Billy Smith. I always expected to see him put a keg in the net with him.
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Billy was one of a kind
Find the video of him accepting the Conn Smythe after the ’83 win. Ziegler is just looking on with his plastic smile holding the award while Billy tells the HNiC guy that he took a dive to draw a major at the end of the game because Gretzky did earlier in the series. Classic!
No there may never be another Billy, but you need a real money guy between the pipes if you are going to go on a run. We’ll see what happens.
it's not on YouTube anymore
…but after the ‘83 Finals ends, Smitty (as was his wont) skips the handshake line and hits the locker room. The cameras go back to the ice. There’s celebrating and cheering and…. suddenly there’s Smitty again, for just a second, skating by in the background. He’s taken off all his upper-body gear and tossed his jersey back on. In his hand, he’s clearly holding a can of Budweiser.
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