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Around SBN: An Explanation For Some Of The Perplexing HOF Snubs

Islanders Draft 'Success': The Milbury Years, 1996-2005

Sean Bergenheim: One of two Milbury first-rounders still with the club; one of the few Mad Mike never accused of sniffing glue.

I was toying with the idea of changing all Mike Milbury references on this site to "He Who Shall Not Be Named." It doesn't make a very good acronym ("HWSNBN...wha-?") and it's hardly the way to be taken seriously when hoping for the occasional real interview from real staff, but on the other hand it's how most fans and commenters here see the former GM, coach and Draft Day Assassin anyway.

The act of typing "Milbury" seems to be like a lingering canker sore to some, while "MM" always feels like an insult to those tasty bits of sugar-plated quasi-chocolate M&M's. So what do you say? Is He Who Shall Not Be Named an acceptable proxy? Ahhh, tell you what: You call him whatever you feel like calling him. We'll all catch your drift. [Edit: Many in comments suggest "Voldemort" to my Harry Potter-oblivious self. Sounds right, no?]

In the meantime, it's getting really close to HWSNBN's favorite time of year -- the season when he used to crush the most hopes in the shortest amount of time while saying something reassuring like, "We're rolling the dice here a little bit." So let's take a quick look back at recent Islanders drafts to dial our idealist "RHETT IS GONNA BE A STAR!!" needles back a bit. It's too early to evaluate the Garth Snow/Ryan Jankowski draft years -- although as you'll see in the conclusion, you can count me as "guardedly optimistic, and a great deal more impressed than under the old regime" -- but for a baseline for our hopes and prayers, it helps to look at the baseline: What came of 1996-2005.

Star-divide

A similar post at Copper & Blue marks 200 career NHL games as the minimum for an NHL career (100 GP for goalies). I'm not totally moved by that -- feels like 250 or 300 is more on the mark -- but in any case I'm going to mention several above and below those thresholds. For first-rounders you want more; for anything beyond the second round you're expecting a crapshoot.

[Edit/addendum: Derek Zona, the author of that post at C&B, also has a league-wide view of how teams did, with the Islanders on top in the 1st -- but again, I'd couch that with the position the Isles were drafting from.]

Ground Rules

Some caveats and explanatory notes:

  • I'm going with 1996-2005 here -- technically the years with HWSNBN in the GM seat, though 2006's "40 Days of Neil Smith" cloud that year a bit.
  • I won't mention anyone without 200 NHL games played unless there are unusual circumstances, though I'll include overall totals of how many guys hit that mark.
  • That C&B post mentions league averages of "success" between 1999-2005 (as in, 61% of all NHL first rounders in those years have hit the 200 GP threshold). You can match those up with the Isles during that period, but I didn't want to limit it to those years, thanks to the GM tenures. Plus, I'm wary of a false comfort in numbers: During that period, naturally the Isles will have more higher first-round picks than most teams, so they should be in the upper-end of the league average -- even without doing anything other than losing often enough to receive lots of top-10 picks).
  • Post-HWSNBN picks Kyle Okposo and Josh Bailey already have almost 300 NHL GP between them. But as you'll see, that's not rare for top-10 picks, even under Milbury's watch.
  • For every draft pick, there is a question of assessing and projecting talent at the uncertain age of 18 on draft day, and then there's the separate question of developing that talent. Draw your own conclusions there, because that's where we're really straying into case-by-case circumstances.

Anyway, here we go. We'll start with all first-rounders since HWSNBN arrived (I won't list every pick for the other rounds, but the first round is ... kind of a big deal, you know?)

Islanders First-Round Picks, 1996-2005

YearRoundSpotPlayerGP
1996 1 3 J.P. Dumont 752
1997 1 4 Roberto Luongo 612
1997 1 5 Eric Brewer 682
1998 1 9 Mike Rupp 416
1999 1 5 Tim Connolly 559
1999 1 8 Taylor Pyatt 606
1999 1 10 Branislav Mezei 240
1999 1 28 Kristian Kudroc 26
2000 1 1 Rick DiPietro 281
2000 1 5 Raffi Torres 432
2002 1 22 Sean Bergenheim 246
2003 1 15 Robert Nilsson 252
2004 1 16 Petteri Nokelainen 189
2005 1 15 Ryan O'Marra 3

In addition to those in bold, Bergenheim will easily eclipse the 250-game plateau. Nokelainen is a good bet, though the injuries that shortened his time on the Island could conceivably bite him in the end. In any case, I'd throw those to in with the others as "real NHL careers." So if you include those two, 11 out of 14 first-rounders becoming NHL players isn't bad. (If you restrict it to 1999-2005 and 200 GP the way C&B did, you have 7 of 10, or 70%.)

However, when you consider the number of high first-rounders HWSNBN had thanks to routinely finishing in lottery country, as well as how many he traded away ... well, we know that story and don't need to rehash it here. But by this measure, every first-round pick Snow (and the staff who operated Neil Smith's draft, selecting Okposo) has had thus far should be a success, including the one they pick this month. With Okposo, Bailey, Tavares and de Haan, they're on track and then some. Fully expecting another this year at #5.

 

Islanders Second-Rounders, 1996-2005: Getting Dicier

The second round is of course a far blurrier game: You don't expect to land stars or even have a 50% hit ratio; but over time you should expect to have a few gems. For reference, C&B called 25% (200 GP) league average between 1999-2005.

Here's Life Under Milbury, Second-Round version:

YearRoundSpotPlayerGP
1996 2 29 Dan LaCouture 337
1997 2 31 Jeff Zehr 4
1998 2 36 Chris Nielsen 52
2003 2 58 Jeremy Colliton 42
2004 2 47 Blake Comeau 168
2005 2 46 Dustin Kohn 22

 

Second-round picks, like the NHL's version of the few decent items at a yard sale, were bartered like gently used power drills during this era. So the Isles went without any from 1999-2002. (That hurts a lot less when you have multiple firsts in consecutive years.) As a result, Milbury has two "hits" out of six second-round shots in this era -- I'm counting Comeau as a hit, as he'll surely stick long enough to make 200 and probably 250 games (hopefully many more, of course). LaCouture isn't exactly a score -- and at #29 in 1996, he falls into that "practically a 1st" territory that glass-empty/glass-full pundits use to label all late- or early-in-the-round picks to suit their argument.

While acknowledging defensemen typically take longer to develop, I'm not figuring Kohn to make that list of 200 or 250-gamers. Granted, I've only seen 22 games of him, so I hope to be proven wrong. But thus far I can't see it.

Post-Milbury, we still have Jesse Joensuu (#60, 2006) with a fighting chance, as well as that fun 2008 trifecta of Corey Trivino (36), Aaron Ness (40) and Travis Hamonic (53), whose current potential is in the reverse order of their selection; Hamonic is quite a ways ahead. Last season there was Mikko Koskinen in the second round, at #31 one of those "practically a first" picks who has a solid shot at being a player, such as we can say that before he's played his first NHL game.

 

The Rest of the Notables, 1996-2005

So those are the first and second-rounders of Milbury's era. By volume it looks alright -- but again, this is why I'm not sold on the "percentage versus league average" method for evaluating the Islanders: I simply can't toot their horn too much for getting an NHL player in the top ten of the draft. That's nearly shooting fish in a barrel. (Query: Has anyone ever actually shot fish in a barrel, or is that just a fun saying? And why, exactly, would someone with the means to do so waste their resources in both ammo and aquatic food? It's like saying, "That's as easy as lighting your house on fire." Sure, I bet I could pull it off, but absent a shady insurance investigator I can't fathom why I'd try.) Worse, looking at that list of top-ten first-rounders does not warm the heart.

So I was flexible on the 200-250 GP threshold with the first two rounds. I'll likewise be flexible with the rest, though I'm also going to leave off every selection who neither made that threshold nor met my ambiguous standards. Here's what that leaves...:

YearRoundSpotPlayerGP
1996 3 56 Zdeno Chara 847
1999 8 228 Radek Martinek 389
1999 4 101 Juraj Kolnik 240
1999 3 78 Mattias Weinhandl 182
2002 3 87 Frans Nielsen 166
2003 6 182 Bruno Gervais 278
2004 7 227 Chris Campoli 320

...And that's it. Ten years, 73 picks beyond the second round, seven players (9.6 %) you could say have or are having NHL careers. Weinhandl's still doing fine in Europe, so you could theorize that he might have finally stuck in the NHL. Kolnik stuck long enough to meet the threshold, but in a fairly unremarkable way. Chara and Martinek represent two smart gambles that paid off handsomely. Nielsen was a nice bet considering his size and background, and he's starting to pay off in spades. Campoli and Gervais were always nice relative to their draft spot, but in the end they are the kind of depth you find in the free agent bin.

If you restrict this post-second-round survey to the 1999-2005 period as C&B did, you get six out of 49 (12%) (or excluding Weinhandl as they would have, five out of 49, 10%). By either measure, it exceeds the NHL average from 1999-2005 of 8.7% but not by a significant margin.

Some of the flotsam that was not mentioned: Jiri Dopita (1998 5th, #123), 73 career games (none with the Isles), whom the Islanders traded for a 5th-round choice and who later was swapped back and forth between Philadelphia and Edmonton (for a 2nd and then for a 3rd, respectively). ... Evgeny Korolev, drafted in the 8th round (192) in 1996, then again in the 7th round (182) in 1998, and logged all of 42 NHL games with the Islanders.

2006-2009, post-2nds

By comparison (and I hesitate to do this, because we're always more optimistic about recent picks before they've had enough time to let us down), the picks beyond the second round the last four years still hold promise: Guys like Andrew MacDonald and Rhett Rakhshani (2006), Blake Kessel and Mark Katic (2007), Kiril Petrov, David Ullstrom, Kevin Poulin and Matt Martin (2008) and Anders Nilsson, Casey Cizikas, Anton Klemenyev and Anders Lee (2009) definitely give you the idea that there are gems in that litter.

Of course, I guarantee Milbury and staff once felt the same way about Justin Mapletoft, so...

 

Conclusion: HWSNBN Haunts Less and Less over Time

So what can we learn from this? As ever, the draft is a crapshoot that gets only crapshootier beyond the first and particularly beyond the second round. Perhaps the biggest single decision for a franchise is to not blow your top-ten pick -- when you get it -- on the wrong kid.

But beyond that, while Milbury and his staff were no draft gurus, their amateur scouting wasn't their worst trait (and really, every staff has big hits and misses in the amateur lottery). As ever, it's what Milbury did on draft day -- trades, rash decisions, U-turns -- and after draft day -- trades, rash decisions, U-turns, encouraging his picks with praise such as the "sniffing glue" comment about Brewer -- that really hurt. Thankfully, as we move further along in time and Snow and Jankowski continue restocking the cupboard, we can start to visualize a time in the future when Milbury's mulligans just won't matter anymore.

This franchise may not know where it's playing in 2015. But if its amateur scouts continue to hit and their selections continue to develop, it will be a team people will want to watch play, come Queens or high water.

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Well, anyone that knows me knows what I think of Milbury.

The Scouts/Staff picked the right players at least in the first and third rounds, but the horror show is what happened to everyone after being picked.

Dumont – Never an Isle, traded for Nabokov who played a handful of games.
Luongo – Given one season on a horrible Islander team. Traded in one of the worst trades of all time.
Brewer – Quickly got into Milbury’s doghouse, traded with Green and a 2nd for Hamrlik.
Rupp – Never signed, re-drafted by Devils. Has Multiple Stanley Cup rings.
Conolly & Payatt – Traded for Peca. Good deal at the time.
Mezei – Traded for Wiemer, Weimer was then grabbed off of Waivers by the Wild.
Kurdoc – Part of the deal for the pick that got us Torres, Torres was part of the Janne Niinimaa trade, Niinimaa was traded for John Erskine and the pick that got us Jesse Joensuu
Bergie – probably wasn’t traded due to the Lockout
Nilsson – at least he’s not Hugh Jessiman

And the rest of the 1st rounders just meant Milbury didn’t have enough time to get annoyed and trade them.

The biggest mistake with the Milbury drafts are the amount of Europeans he drafted that just never came over the pond. Given his stance on Europeans, his mocking of Salo and Palffy why in did he kept drafting players from Europe. It’s like if Don Cherry was made GM and started drafting all Europeans.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 14, 2010 6:12 AM EDT reply actions  

this is the what hurt

lots of these guys didn’t pan out for the Isles under Milbury but instead were used as trading chips

now we are keeping the 1st rounders, they are a part of the team for what seems like a long time.

by Rickfansince76 on Jun 14, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bergie – probably wasn’t traded due to the Lockout
Nilsson – at least he’s not Hugh Jessiman

Heh, that first one is both hilarious and probably true. Actually, so is the last one.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

NAILED!

I was putting this post together in my head after reading the headline… I’m so glad I didn’t have to.
BTW: Nice work, Dom!

NHL 500... Let the Less Filling vs Tastes Great debate begin!

by JPinVA on Jun 14, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re looking for ways to refer to that person (as my grandmother would say) without naming him, it shoulod not be HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED but HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED.

Personally, i just like “The Dark One”.

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 14, 2010 7:42 AM EDT reply actions  

isn't he called Valtamore

or something like that in the Harry Potter movies. so just call him that

by Rickfansince76 on Jun 14, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Personally I like MM.

With MM I can easily make that into Mickey Mouse which takes me to a not so angry place. It also allows me to better understand the general disappointment of the state of the team. I saw the Sorcerer’s Apprentice and that helps me understand the thought process put into the Isles drafting strategy under MM.

Sending the Isles to China was Wang's vision of making Strange Brew 2: Stranger Brew.

by metalcoconut on Jun 14, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Voldemort

I was just about to suggest that be what we call him…

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by cjmulrain on Jun 14, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

That sounds good

Now that I understand the reference (with a little help from Mrs. Lighthouse), I’m liking this more and more.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

To sum it all up...

Mickey is an apprentice who is told to clean up the shop. He then begins to practice the limited magic skills that he possess to try to help him clean up and things go awry with him being powerless to stop it until the master comes back to clean up the mess.

Imagining that scene helps me cope with the Mad Mike years.

Sending the Isles to China was Wang's vision of making Strange Brew 2: Stranger Brew.

by metalcoconut on Jun 14, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha

This is what I get for completely missing the Harry Potter phenomenon. (I hear they’re very good, I’ve just never picked one up.)

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

You'll really like the next one...

Section 8:Harry Potter and the Cross Dressing Muggles

In this episode our hero must seek the advice of his great grandfather, Col. Sherman T Potter. in an effort to keep a group of cross dressing half breeds from turning all of europe into a huge caberet act.

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by JPinVA on Jun 14, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are they trying to keep them from bringing their Eurotrash game?

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

My first thought

… when those words came out of his mouth:
“God, I don’t pray that often, so I hope this gets through to you… please… Make Milbury have to interview Ovechkin later on… and let Ovechkin have enough Stoli in his system that he beats Milbury with his own shoe… Amen”

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by JPinVA on Jun 14, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

DP

I was surprised to see he played 281 games, I actually thought he played a lot less but that coul dbe because he has played only what 20 in the last 2 years

by Rickfansince76 on Jun 14, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Worse

13 is the figure I believe, for the last two seasons.

Yeah, looking back on it he was a solid pick (and if not for injuries, oh my). But like everything with MM, it was a question of where he was picked and the circumstances (“We’re trading our goalies and starting from scratch!”)

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well the most depressing part is we drafted DP after trading away Luongo and Danny Heatley went next in that draft class

by Styxcanada on Jun 14, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

when MiMi rocks the party - he Kudrocs right!

ever see the episode of Family Guy when they came back on air, and Seth blatantly threw all the failed shows back in Fox’s face by laboriously listed them in one long joke…

clean and sober for 2 months and change... only thing different is that now i KNOW i'm the asshole everyone says i am :-)

by bob l on Jun 14, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Well when you're stuck in the Mezei

I honestly don’t blame him about 99 though, that draft was a wasteland of talent. I mean look at those first rounders:
Between Ari Ahonen, Mikhail Kuleshov, Luca Cereda, Max Ouelett, Brett Heisten, Kirill Safranov, Scott Kellman and Denis Shvidki you have a total of 126 games played. So combining the careers of eight first rounders from 99, you still don’t get the minimum of 200 games played for an NHL career. Lets not forget the stellar NHL careers of Jeff Jillson, Brian Finley and Jane Rita as well.

R.I.P. Hans und Franz... this is the price of professionalism.

by David Hanssen on Jun 14, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

dont forget 180. Tore Vikingstad – St. Louis Blues

best name ever (possibly)

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by bob l on Jun 14, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tore was a bit of an overage pick there. He was 24 (Jesus, I just had the realization that he’s 35 now and I just got really depressed…) at the time and already a veteran of several European campaigns.

But I think Bjorn Bjurling tops Tore for the best name ever. Either him or Wacey Rabbit.

R.I.P. Hans und Franz... this is the price of professionalism.

by David Hanssen on Jun 14, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wacey Rabbit

Seriously. I’d like to meet those parents.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

True but I’m still fond of Semin, nothing quite like seeing him coming down the wing. He does tend to score in spurts though :)

by Styxcanada on Jun 14, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

1999 was the wrong year to have four first-rounders … which is I guess why Voldy had them.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Party like its 1999

I think one of the best picks Milbury made was Johan Halvardsson at 102. He was a big, thumping Swedish defenseman for HV 71. There was the chance to be the Islanders poor man’s Kronwall but he had chronic knee injuries that prevented him from fully developing and eventually caused him to retire. Unfortunately he only played in 3 games for Bridgeport before the knee injuries flared up again and he played in a total of 18 games before he had to hang up the skates permanently.

R.I.P. Hans und Franz... this is the price of professionalism.

by David Hanssen on Jun 14, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting. I had no idea. Those are the details that get lost in these overviews unless you know or remember details like that.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a bold topic to tackle Dom.

Nothing primes the crowd for the draft like showing our light at the end of the tunnel…that we seem to be close to escaping. It really is funny because when Snow traded the pick away, several times, that ended up bringing us Bailey and several other concievably successful picks everyone was still in conditioned response mode. It seemed as if any move made in that time would have been immediately viewed as bad and therefore there was no winning with the initial pick regardless of what Snow pulled out of his hat.

Part of me hopes that Snow trades the pick, if Erik is not available, just to see the Rags fans get all worked up if for nothing else.

“Without disappointment you can not appreciate victory.”—Randall Rains from Gone is 60 Seconds.

Sending the Isles to China was Wang's vision of making Strange Brew 2: Stranger Brew.

by metalcoconut on Jun 14, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Conditional response mode
It really is funny because when Snow traded the pick away, several times, that ended up bringing us Bailey and several other conceivably successful picks everyone was still in conditioned response mode

Yes! I think that nails it. I remember my own internal dialogue — being both gunshy about it because of Battered Fan Syndrome but also thinking, “Objectively, this makes sense.”

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That draft was so important for many reasons.

This point can easily be argued with multiple winners but I believe that of all the things that the Isles did right in that draft possibly the most important was picking up all the extra picks that they stockpiled. The strength-in-numbers-strategy seems to be paying off at the moment but only time will tell. That draft also set the tone for the new Isles administration in that it seems to have removed the storm cloud that was following the organization around.

Just this morning there was some random commentor hacking on the Isles history of first round draft picks on SI. The funny part is that everyone that he mentioned was from the MM days. So I kindly pointed that out to him and paid my blessings to the hockey gods for the stroke of good fortune afforded to the Isles in 2006.

Sending the Isles to China was Wang's vision of making Strange Brew 2: Stranger Brew.

by metalcoconut on Jun 14, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly had no idea that JP Dumont went on to have a decent-ish NHL career.

by AP77 on Jun 14, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

For what it’s worth, I had no idea who Juraj Kolnik was. 240 NHL games, really? I must’ve been on walkabout.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if most of the games were with the Panthers, do they really count?

R.I.P. Hans und Franz... this is the price of professionalism.

by David Hanssen on Jun 14, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not

Sadly, I missed all but a handful of Pavel Bure’s Panthers goals.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dumont is considered the best player taken in that First Round. Probably depends on your view of Chris Philips.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 14, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

the most frustrating post ever

For fun I used to come up with “teams of ex-Isles who would contend for the Cup” vs. the team they actually had from 1997-2000. They would pick good players and give up on them, or not be able to pay them, or Milbury would get a Sooooper Geeeenyus idea and run out to the Acme store.

(Heh, Wile E. Milbury has a nice ring to it.)

At one point I think the ex-Isles could ice the following team:

Pallfy-Turgeon-Bertuzzi
Straka-Jokinen-Reichel
Isbister-Green-Muckalt

Chara-McCabe
Schneider-Malakhov
Kasparaitis-Berard

Luongo
Salo

What a pisser….

But a lot of times, it is all about the development. Someone brought up how horrible the ‘99 draft was… well, the Isles hit on Connolly and Pyatt, which is fairly good work, except that they’ve had far more success elsewhere because of impatience and mishandling. Jack Capuano is possibly the most important man in the organization right now, because I guarantee that under the old system, guys like MacDonald, Hillen, Reese, Martin, and Joensuu wouldn’t have stepped in and been worth anything. It would have all been much of a muchness. We have a lot of hope that these players are going to fulfill their promise because of how they’ve been handled in Bridgeport (and Utah) for the past few seasons. How many potentially good players did the Islanders ruin, or deal before they could get ruined, or simply mis-read and give up on?

Of course I'm an expert, I've seen Slap Shot eleven times!

by mikb on Jun 14, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

How many potentially good players did the Islanders ruin, or deal before they could get ruined, or simply mis-read and give up on?

it’s why everyone rolled their eyes and held their breath when Bailey made the team right out of the draft

clean and sober for 2 months and change... only thing different is that now i KNOW i'm the asshole everyone says i am :-)

by bob l on Jun 14, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's always a fun (and torturous) exercise

Agree on Capuano. On that note, Dave O’ Hans und Franz should have something on him this week.

As far as ruining players, I gave them a quasi-pass on Bertuzzi (he protested too much, and I’ve got an issue if you don’t want to hear what Clark Gillies has to say), but I always wondered what Brewer might have been if he had been handled differently. Just because a youngster looks like he’s sniffing glue doesn’t mean you broadcast it to the media.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

on the bright side

There aren’t too many people who can say that they were traded for both Roman Hamrlk AND Fred Thompson Chris Pronger.

Of course I'm an expert, I've seen Slap Shot eleven times!

by mikb on Jun 14, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree with that Thompson comparison; man, Pronger has aged curiously.

To this day I don’t know what to make of Brewer, and I’m afraid his back and head are past retrieving. He has some physical tools, that’s for sure — enough for Blues management and teammates to stick up for him despite observable evidence.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

you’ve got a bunch of players who were traded for each other. I know at the very least Kaspar and Reichel were traded for each other. Without checking, some of the other guys I’m sure were parts of the same trade tree.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 14, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Malakhov/Schneider is one of those that cancel each other out, or at least could not have existed together.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

The idea isn’t that they all played together, but that at one time or another every last one of them passed through the organization, and with the exception of Turgeon and Malakhov, Milbury disposed of them all, usually for pennies on the dollar. The Isles couldn’t have assembled them all at once, perhaps – but an enterprising GM elsewhere could have.

The picture is worse if you consider opportunity cost missed: for example, not trading Joker/Luongo leaves them free to take Gaborik or Heatley.

Of course I'm an expert, I've seen Slap Shot eleven times!

by mikb on Jun 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s like Milbury’s final insult: It’s not even enough to say he sucked, but rather it requires involved explanations like opportunity cost. So you end up in a bar and some guy says “DiPietroLOL!” and you have to go, “Well it’s not that DP is a bad player, it’s that where they picked him and who they moved to…” Arghh.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOLOLOL

Milbury was so bad we need SCIENCE! to truly understand it.

Of course I'm an expert, I've seen Slap Shot eleven times!

by mikb on Jun 14, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Science indeed

The first thing that I heard when I was reading your posts:

“Don’t touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn’t understand alloys and compositions and things with… molecular structures.”

Sending the Isles to China was Wang's vision of making Strange Brew 2: Stranger Brew.

by metalcoconut on Jun 14, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I had to look that line up

I was … not in possession of all my faculties when I saw that film.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really should watch that again.

They do quote-a-longs to that movie here in Austin. There are so many great lines in that movie.

Sending the Isles to China was Wang's vision of making Strange Brew 2: Stranger Brew.

by metalcoconut on Jun 14, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of quote-a-longs

Though in an unintentional way…have you seen The Room? Some kind of insane phenomenon.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh dear God… that is some of the worst acting I have ever seen. That one dude is like a very low rent Chris Walken.

R.I.P. Hans und Franz... this is the price of professionalism.

by David Hanssen on Jun 14, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never heard of it...

But after watching that trailer, I have to see it. I used to be a B movie savant but I have gone into hibernation. Actually I was just watching the Groove Tube the other day…what an awful movie…I loved it.

Sending the Isles to China was Wang's vision of making Strange Brew 2: Stranger Brew.

by metalcoconut on Jun 15, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's all in the "genius" of the creator

There is lots of stuff out there on him (Tommy Wiseau) — the guy who says “Hi Mark” and how he actually thought he was creating something decent, and then slowly evolved into just embracing whatever sort of (mocking) cult following it received.

He gives interviews in this delightfully evasive way where he dodges the obvious — that it’s a horrendous flick — and simply appreciates that people “love” his film.

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by Dominik on Jun 15, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA

clean and sober for 2 months and change... only thing different is that now i KNOW i'm the asshole everyone says i am :-)

by bob l on Jun 14, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did anyone read Alan Hahn’s article in THN’s draft preview “2000: The Worst-Ever Draft Day by a GM” recounting the lead up and eventual trade of Luongo, Jokinen and Weekes and the selection of DiPietro? Its a good read. But the money quote is from Gaborik

I played against DiPietro in the under-18 worlds. He was always good at handling the puck. but you have to stop it first.

R.I.P. Hans und Franz... this is the price of professionalism.

by David Hanssen on Jun 14, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that why he drools on the ice everytime he sees DiP leave his crease?

Sending the Isles to China was Wang's vision of making Strange Brew 2: Stranger Brew.

by metalcoconut on Jun 15, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Justin Mapletoft

I am guilty of getting on board the Mapletoft train…I envisioned him as a Richard Park type with an upside of a poor man’s Jason Blake…I guess that didn’t work out. Anybody know what he’s up to?

by mdelbags on Jun 14, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s playing for Straubing of the Deutsche Eishockey Liga. After leaving the Isles organization he bounced around Europe for a couple of years and played a season in Binghamton.

R.I.P. Hans und Franz... this is the price of professionalism.

by David Hanssen on Jun 14, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zach who????

I cry every time I hear his name. To hear the confusion in the announcers voice when he wasn’t called. It was like when the hot chick ask you for a cigarette at the bar and you say no because its your last one and you just bought the last beer and have no cash left….. if that has ever happened to you. Arrrrg!!!!

by AndyPopp on Jun 14, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

At least when that happens you arent reminded of it again and again! I guess it would be as if your acquaintance/enemy DID have a cig for her and the two of them subsequently hooked up- and then they rubbed their unbelievable happiness together in your face for decades on end. sigh.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jun 16, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

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