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Islanders Hallucinations: The Russian Route

Note: I have a few of these thought exercises in mind. They're not intended as actual plans or recommendations, but rather wild "what-if?" fantasy scenarios for the Islanders' offseason if Garth Snow got a wild hair. More importantly, they're an excuse for you to get any opinions off your chest and share "what-if" fantasy targets.

The Islanders' last important Russian is someone who hasn't dressed for them in three years but will receive checks until the Coliseum lease expires. When they drafted Kiril Petrov in 2008, it was because his KHL contract led this "first-round talent" to drop in the draft, and the Isles had picks to burn. Now there is talk that Petrov will come for prospect camp -- and NHL-KHL relations are said to be thawing enough that you can start to imagine a transfer/loan that puts Petrov in the organization next season.

So: What if the Islanders went "the Atlanta route" -- (previously: The Rangers "sign Czechs for Jagr route") -- and tried to surround Petrov with comrades? What if Garth Snow suddenly fell in love with Russia? It's a long summer, so play along, won't you...

Russia House

1. Ilya Kovalchuk -- The most fanciful target to make Petrov feel comfortable would be Ilya, who'd add point-per-game flash and butts in seats. He's also well-versed at making a comfortable home among Russians in a land far from home at a very young age, so he'd be great for Kiril. This isn't happening for a variety of reasons, including: the rebuild, Ilya's desire for a contending team and/or max money, and what one could guess might be Charles Wang's reluctance to go all-in with a Russian star again. But don't tell me you wouldn't tune in if it did.

Star-divide


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009-10 - Ilya Kovalchuk 76 41 44 85 10 53 12 0 4 0 290 14.1

 

2. The Draft: Alexander Burmistrov, Vladimir Tarasenko and Kiril Kabanov

We're remaining in hallucinogenic territory here, but how insane would it be if Snow buttressed the blueline through free agency and then went hog wild on Russian forwards in the draft? Tarasenko or Burmistrov at #5 is a reach -- do I smell another Draft Party-deflating trade-down scenario for more picks and Petrovs? -- but either is on a few top 10 lists. And if Kabanov really does drop to the second round, Snow could compile enough forwards to teach Bruno Gervais a great borscht recipe. Or if you must, suppose Snow drafts a D at #5 and Kabanov drops to #35? (Again, not likely, but...)

Borscht: Don't knock it until you try it.

Burmistrov is listed as a center and the Islanders are already deep there, but it never hurts to let centers fight it out and learn who can adjust to the wing later. Kabanov is a crazily talented left-shooting wing, but you may have heard he had a host of issues that have him not playing in Moncton's title push nor with Russia's U-18 team. Whether he's getting bad council or bad mental vitamins, you just don't know; he certainly said the right things about playing in North America eight months ago. Whichever team takes him has guts, but the risk/reward is phenomenal.

 

3. Turning This Russian Thing up to 11: Zherdev and Lisin

There are two former Rangers (okay, one is still technically a Ranger) who could be available this summer and offer a mix of tantalizing skill and enigmatic question marks: Nikolai Zherdev and Enver Lisin, both of whom ran into what is an all too familiar North American-Russian cultural clash with Glen Sather and John Tortorella, respectively.

Zherdev will want a hefty salary -- like the kind the Rangers walked away from in arbitration last summer -- to return, but you know on a random selection of nights per month he'd earn it in spades. Six of those nights would be against the Rangers, who he'd love to stick it to -- and what better team could he join to achieve that?

Lisin, a restricted free agent buried in meaningless minutes by Torts, warmed up with Russia's entry into this month's IIHF World Championship but is returning home and will not play in the tournament. You could imagine the Rangers letting him walk rather than pay him an RFA raise, as the Rangers treat assets like cigarettes to smoke, burn, then dispose.

Grabbing either or both of Lisin and Zherdev would create some of that tantalizing forward flash, as well as (likely) the traditional cries of "Who won't that enigma show up every night?!" and change the character of the proverbial locker room. In the realm of fanciful possibilities, this one actually starts to approach "doable."

 

4. I Thought You Said We Need Defense: Enter Babchuk

After never reaching an agreement with the Hurricanes last season, Anton Babchuk is likely returning to these shores. But he's still an RFA, so the Canes will have first crack at him. However, should they fail to find an agreement, does Jim Rutherford sit on that asset for two years running? I don't think so. A trade would be the next step, and Babchuk would add a puck-moving powerplay guy to the Isles. His 16 goals in 2008-09 came on an absurd (for a defenseman) 12.6 shooting percentage and questions abound about his true value, but hey, this is a full-on Russian hallucination exercise, so join in.

...oh, and about that "Russian" bit: Babchuk was actually born in Ukraine. But since when has that stopped Americans from lumping them all into the same "over there, where enigmas come from" boat?

Depth Chart: Get me a typesetter who has Cyrillic

So picture this then, and adjust it accordingly to feed your own delusions (such as Kovlachuk, if you're going all-in):

Moulson (or...Kovi?) | Tavares | Okposo
Petrov | Bailey | Zherdev/Lisin
Bergenheim | Nielsen | Hunter
Joensuu/Martin | Schremp | | Comeau

MacDonald | Streit
Babchuk | Hillen
Martinek | Meyer/UFA/Gervais

Quite a bit different than our first 2010-11 depth chart, eh? Add Kovalchuk to this hallucination and the team is completely made over. Don't add Kovalchuk and you've altered the skill makeup of the team without actually increasing payroll. (The big hole here is a big defenseman to fill the vacated Andy Sutton role.)

In the pipeline, you have Anton Klementyev on defense and one or two of the Russian 2010 draft forwards mentioned above (in addition to the North American prospects). You have completely gone Russian. You have added skill and excitement, at the price of the enigma -- part-cultural stereotype, part-real -- associated with bringing in skilled forwards from the Russian game.

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I know this is all a bit absurd -- that's the point. With 50 days yet until the draft, we have plenty of time to toss around various fantasy GM scenarios. You're turn to draw on the napkin...

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I admit I used to be pretty xenophobic when it came to hockey and greatly favored north American players to Europeans, especially when it came to the draft. The difference I saw then was compete level, loyalty and physicality. Yashin epitomized this for me. All skill and no heart. Nowadays I think there is less separating North Americans and Europeans skill and compete wise than ever before. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Islanders bring in more russians; obviously it would nice to see Petrov leave the KHL for the Island and who wouldn’t be excited if we signed Kovie? I just wouldn’t want us going overboard with the russians (like the rangers did with the chzecks)

by MatthewM11 on May 5, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I used to be a little more that way

And I don’t think the stereotypes came out of thin air — but I attribute it in part fear and cultural misunderstanding (wow how long it took Borje Salming to earn respect). When there’s already that cultural barrier, we’re quicker to resort to the stereotypes when we don’t understand a player or find his effort lacking. A European “floater” or “diver” got cut less slack than a North American who exhibited the same habits.

And of course, the game styles are even today a little different. So when a guy comes over and doesn’t adapt well (or quickly) to the smaller surface or the different amount of contact, the stereotype knives come out.

At this point, if Russians are “undervalued” in the draft thanks to signability fears, that might be a market inefficiency to exploit: If a team has a few who are happy, suddenly they’re a destination for more (in theory). Of course, if you grab the wrong ones … back to square one.

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by Dominik on May 5, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this what you mean by
A European "floater"

???

who knew that when the court takes your license away, they ACTUALLY take you license away??? (now how am i supposed to provide proof of ID???)

by bob l on May 6, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my

Do you have a license for that photo? :)

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by Dominik on May 6, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

need more russians

It would be nice to get more russians on the team. When Klemetyev played in that one game at Columbus I started to think about more russians on the team. It would be nice to get Kabanov with our second round pick (hopefully he is available.) I have also been hearing a lot about Petrov and I cant wait until we can get him into the Islanders organization.

by nyidangle17 on May 5, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know. If we can sign guys and they can play NHL level immediately, then I’m all for it. But the Islanders have managed to draft a lot of Europeans who would rather stay in Europe then play in the American minors.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on May 5, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

several points

A) Isn’t Petrov a RW?

B) We need a veteran presence on defense. I am happy to bring Babchuk in (as I was pushing him for quite a while last year), but, as long as we are on a Russian kick (which is appropriate as I have just finished watching the World at War series episode entitled Red Star about Leningrad, Kursk, etc), we should grab A Train and we can have the Two Antons on the second pairing.

C) My bonafides as a Kovi hater are well established. Lisin I like and I think he would be a worthwhile experiment. Might be another Moulson and he played on Kazan with our boy Kirill for a year.

D) Kabanov I trust only about half as far as my ten year old daughter can throw him which is…well she could never pick him up never mind that the idea would gross her out. And anyway we need to balance out the Russians with the Finns. Move up into the first round and grab Teemu.

E) Since we also need a fourth liner, which Russian do we get for the fourth line?

F) If we are going Russian with our first pick, it probably should be Burmistrov…although you could make an argument for Tarasenko.

G) Can we work a trade with Florida De Haan for Kulikoff?

by BCISLEMAN on May 5, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

A) Isn’t Petrov a RW?

He is, but since he shoots left, in fantasy land we can force him to be on the left side. Or switch a different Russian. This is EA Sports time.

D) Kabanov I trust only about half as far as my ten year old daughter can throw him which is…well she could never pick him up never mind that the idea would gross her out. And anyway we need to balance out the Russians with the Finns. Move up into the first round and grab Teemu.

Agreed on the trust factor with Kiril II. But on the other point … has enough time passed to force Russians and Finns to get along?

E) Since we also need a fourth liner, which Russian do we get for the fourth line?

Ruslan the Tank! (Also technically Ukrainian, but hey…)

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by Dominik on May 5, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait

we haven’t picked a Russian backup goalie.

by BCISLEMAN on May 6, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking of a song….
  Dream, dream dream dream, ….Dream

Or, if you continue to have these hallucinations…

Lobotomy!

lol….As an Islander fan, you have to have an open mind and go to church alot.

Go Boston!!
Go Habs Go!!

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!

by Martys301 on May 5, 2010 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Go Boston!!
Go Habs Go!!

I keep saying the same thing, and my friend from Boston is just not used to me cheering for the Bruins lol. Screw the Flyers. Screw em!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on May 6, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL! Nice. I think the Bruins are the only team in the Boston area that I don’t have a disgust towards. Plus the Flyers should have been knocked out in the first round. They served their purpose in giving the Ranger fans their glimse of hope in the last game…and then they tore the carpet out from underneath them. That was fantastic but now they need to exit and let the playoff teams play.

I’m with the Boston cheering. Go Tuukka Go!

Joe Thornton should be drug tested or checked to see if an imposter has taken over his jersey.

by metalcoconut on May 6, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have been thinking a lot about this lately

One of the things that doesn’t bode well for the Isles is that the color of their uniform is not primarily red. So that presents a problem. The Red Wings and the Caps have almost entirely red uniforms which helps accommodate the incoming travelers from across the pond. However having more than one Russian on the team could be a great help in Petrov’s development. Babchuk makes the most sense and I’m pretty sure that if Snow has the opportunity to obtain his services for what he feels to be a reasonable price, Babchuk will be in a Isles uni next season. As for the forwards…I can’t see Snow going for any of them but what do I know. What happens if Petrov sees that there are no other comrades on the team?

Joe Thornton should be drug tested or checked to see if an imposter has taken over his jersey.

by metalcoconut on May 6, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Lisin and Babchuk are realistic possibilities

and Garth will no doubt make a play for Volcenkhov.

by BCISLEMAN on May 6, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Volchenkov

Now how on Earth did I leave the A-Train out of this post?!?

I’m going to claim I did it because that one isn’t a fantasy … {rubs rabbit’s foot}

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by Dominik on May 6, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rah Rah Rahsputin... oh those Russians

I’m pretty sure I couldn’t stand a team full of Russians. We saw at the olympics how committed they are to the team game at present. Way to much me me me and I’ll play when I want for as long as I want for my taste.

My bias is pretty clear, the Blackhawks have been showing the way with all of those western Canadian boys on the roster. Now if you were talking about adding some Swedes to the mix I’d be all over it :) Low maintenance, calm and consistent with occassional flashes of holy crap (Sedin twins along with Samuelson come to mind).

by Styxcanada on May 6, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

No Finns?

Who will yap like Tikkanen or bite like Ruutu?

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by Dominik on May 6, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

we have a few Finns already and I am hoping that we add Teemu P. to the mix. The Russians appreciated how the Finns did not go all out to help the Nazis destroy St. Petersburg (then Leningrad) in WW II.

by BCISLEMAN on May 6, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rah Rah Rasputin

Russia’s greatest love machine!

I actually know this song.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on May 6, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I believe when it comes to drafting Russian’s (and to a lesser extent other Europeans) that it is a far higher risk but higher reward proposition than North American players – due to the lesser time spent scouting them and the limitations of evaluating talent based on seeing how junior players match up against other senior players in some instances.

Anyhow, my point is this – is it the point in the Isles development where there is a solid enough core that trying to reach for that high risk-high reward player will not set the Isles development back if it is a miss? I personally don’t think so…as this draft is a deep one it would make more sense to adopt a more conservative drafting strategy.

I think next year would probably be better to try the high risk-high reward strategy next year – but I understand the difficulty of deciding which side to err on when the competing considerations of potential, the chance of meeting that potential and potential chemistry with your team’s makeup.

by HugoAgogo on May 6, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah i couldn’t agree more

by MatthewM11 on May 8, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Russian to judgement

I gotta say I love your idea of turning the NVMC into Russia House.I’m one of the few Alexei Yashin fans left in North America.As much as it was a disappointment to see Yashin cast adrift,I realised at the time and moreso now that it was necessary.If Yashin was still around the Isles would have been a more competive team wallowing in perpetual medocrity.Although at the time of his buyout the rebuild was not part of the equation it tuned out to be the all important first step.Being a Yashin fan(mostly because he is a classy human being rather than anything he accomplished or didn’t accomplish on the ice)and a Marc-Andre Bergeron fan,are you sensing a theme here?That’s right my favourite cartoon when I was a kid was Underdog,but I digress,back to the Russian route.As has been mentioned before as well as by BCISLEMAN the A train is target # 1 on defence.In my fantasy world the Isles sign Kovy long term,in a more realistic(?)vein the Isles go after Frolov,Afinogenov,Artyukhin and last but not least Zherdev.Artyukhin will give you the size and aggression we are lacking and as for the other 3 forwards I would obviously only sign one.

by Isle Of Weight on May 7, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

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