Bits: 3 Ways to improve NHL broadcasts
Some discussion topics and links before Islanders report cards resume:
- We know John Tavares' long mid-season slump affected his numbers, but how did it affect his linemates? Part three of BenHasna's Corsi research in his FanPosts breaks Tavares' season into three parts (pre-slump, slump, post-Olympics). This one's pretty easy to follow, but one reminder: "Corsi" is essentially an attempt to measure territorial puck possession.
- A few weeks ago saw brief reports (TSN here) that there might be NHL-KHL exhibition games with the Coyotes and Hurricanes traveling. This past weekend's Pierre LeBrun column was more promising, hinting at progress on how each side treats contracts. (Discuss possible effects on securing Kiril Petrov in this FanShot.)
- While I'm self-linking, go on, try telling me Lou Lamoriello doesn't look like Wee-Man. (But don't remind me both my picks for Sunday's games lost.)
- No surprise to see a comparison between the 2010 Canadiens and the 1993 Islanders [AOL]. Heh, if the Canadiens get the breaks they got in '93 against the Isles, the sky's the limit.
- I saved this fawning link about Antti Niemi after the first round precisely because I knew a game like Game 1 against Vancouver could make it look absurd. NHL Playoffs: An overreaction every night.
- New draft rankings from ISS to reflect the U-18 tourney: They have Gormley at #3, Nino at #6, Brett Connolly at #13 (here's another raving report on Connolly). Tough D-man Dylan McIlrath is described as "rising." (Discuss the Islanders 5th overall choice in Judgegavel's FanPost.)
- This is a week old, but it's a great read on conditioning for players from the former strength & conditioning coach of the Oilers where facilities were, shall we say, quite Islanders-like. [Mayors Manor]
- Also old, but chewable: A Garth Snow "to do" list from L.I. Press that sadly mentions Garnet Exelby.
Three Ways to Improve NHL Broadcasts
These proposals relate directly to last night's Sharks-Red Wings broadcast, though they've lingered in my head for a few years.
Hockey on TV has always been limited by cameras and resolution, but now with bigger TVs and HD broadcasts that is improving. Rather than simply making the puck bigger and player mullets clearer, though, I'm wondering if those tech advances could shows us more of the game -- and tell us more of what's going on. That's a big part of my first reason for desiring some changes to how hockey (at least playoff hockey, when stakes are high and budgets are big) is televised:
1. Widen the Standard Broadcast Angle. Thanks to their wide aspect ratio HD TVs already show us a little more of the rink during the standard rink-side play-by-play view. But I could handle more. People won't like this comparison, but soccer broadcasts at a much larger angle by necessity. You see more of the play develop as a result.
Two examples from last night illustrate this. Joe Thornton made a bad pass in the offensive own zone that Pavel Datsyuk retrieved and took the other way to score on a beautiful shot from the high slot. Thornton didn't see Datsyuk because he'd just come on from a line change; viewers didn't see Datsyuk because the camera didn't give us a view extending toward the bench side of the rink. Later, Thornton had a breakaway thanks to a "stretch" pass by Dan Boyle from his own zone. Thornton lurked behind Nicklas Lidstrom and broke free. When Boyle released the puck, viewers had no idea why. In that moment, we as viewers could have known what Lidstrom didn't.
Pull the camera back some -- you can still show your selective close-up action shots as usual -- and we see the lurking backchecker, the guy open for a one-timer on the other side of the zone, the Thornton lurking at the opposition blueline. It would lead to fewer jerky camera jolts as the cameraman tries to follow the puck, too.
2. Show Line Changes before Faceoffs. Hockey is a fast-moving, complex game. Its fast pace doesn't lend to instant analysis like that in football, basketball and baseball -- three games that spend lengthy periods (or timeouts) with no action. But that doesn't take away from the strategy. A fundamental part of that strategy is which players you play and when you play them -- particularly during the playoffs. Last night announcers referred to multiple times when old colleagues Mike Babcock and Todd McClellan were making late line changes in between whistles, trying to match up. The officials even needed to warn the benches about late changes one or two times (or more).
Instead of showing us lingering shots of the goalie or the latest goal scorer's face on the bench ... how about showing us the actual act of who's coming on or off the ice. One thing I'd love to see more is who the home coach puts on and then immediately pulls off after seeing the road coach's move.
3. Confiscate and Destroy All One-Piece Sticks. Last night's game turned on a late game-winner that occurred because Lidstrom broke his stick on a shot attempt at the point. The Sharks' most dangerous trio took it the other way and scored. Lidstrom made it back into the play but was helpless to defend because he lacked the hockey player's most important piece of equipment. A great playoff game was decided by equipment failure. That's pathetic.
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One Piece Sticks -- Disasters waiting to happen on a regular basis
Can’t agree more with you on that one. Anyone know what the over/under was from Vegas on how many games would be decided by shattering graphite at inopportune moments? It’s amazing how teams will pay $200 plus by the gross for these hi tech pieces of garbage, knowing that at the most vitally important times (sniper set up for the perfect one timer, Defenceman snapping one off at the point of the PP, or a defencemena trying to over down low getting slashed across the shaft and losing his “lumber”), there is a pretty solid percentage of times when the thing is just going to give out. At least when a batter breaks his bat, the ball is sometimes going to be in play.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on May 3, 2010 7:54 AM EDT reply actions
That’s another thing: the number of penalties we see because a weak “slash” breaks one of those sticks, where it breaks so easily it was obviously ready to snap on its next hard contact.
Amazing they’ve focused all this money on developing a slightly harder shooting stick — and really, it’s just like an aluminum bat: all it does is make everyone shoot a little harder — that the durability question is forgotten. Ugh, it’s awful.
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Last night’s game turned on a late game-winner that occurred because Lidstrom broke his stick on a shot attempt at the point
happens all the time, it sux, but that bothers me less than ignored calls on one side, and ticky-tack calls on the other (rw pp someone got crosscheck leveled and it goes ignored) then a weak trip while on the pk gets called… and they only gave the make-up call after the sharks were ahead… the refs sucked in both games so far but is was not just in this series, philly got some late love themselves while the refs did their normal see no evil routine for them
the nhl needs a serious ref review because it really seems like you want to blame the refs for losses more and more these days
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The calls last night were bizarre
A lot of reaction calls — Nabokov went down hard, the guy Bertuzzi nudged (Vlasic?) went down hard, so it seemed like they were calling the result without a clear view of the action.
Then that critical 5-on-3, the second call was a no-brainer, which made the original call to make it 5-on-4 stick out all the more.
I do think these days NHL is a lot swifter at evaluating and responding to “bad trends” with officiating though. A lot of new refs and new directives they have to keep up with.
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Here’s a big one, and its more for NBC, stop acting like 90% of the audience has never watched a hockey game before and doesn’t understand whats going on at all. In the overall picture it’s not that hard to understand for someone watching, puck goes in net = goal. Most goals win. If a special situation comes up, then explain it.
Its not just Hockey, I remember trying to watch the last season of Arena Football. The Soul were playing on Comcast Sports Net here in Philly, and instead of announcing the game they spent the whole time telling you how Arena was different then regular football. 90% of the people if they do have a question about a sport can google it.
Oh, and of course, Fire Milbury and bring back Roenick!
My favorite all time Botta Tweet.
Love how NBC is calling this game for the non-hockey audience. As if anyone besides hockey fans are watching Russia-Latvia after midnight ET
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Haha, that was a great tweet.
And I agree on the sentiment, though I haven’t noticed that problem as much these playoffs (selective hearing on my part?). Eddy O. sounds like he’s trying to get strategy into the play as much as possible.
They should just treat it normally, and the passion itself will either hook in casual fans or it won’t. Hockey isn’t cricket — the basics are pretty easy to follow without having the A-B-C’s spelled out for you on every play.
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Just because I live down South
As much as I want to agree with you (whole heartedly) I understand why they do the explanations.
*****DISCLAIMER***** I do not agree with the following statement and it is meerly speculation on my part.
Many people down here seem to have no opinion on hockey because they don’t have winters that are cold enough to acomodate a frozen pond long enough for them to enjoy the benefits of free, outdoor, pond hockey. With that being said they don’t have interest in the sport growing up and just about every generation up until the generation around the Dallas Stars coming to town, don’t have a knowledge of hockey. So all of this is to tell you that almost everyone that I speak with in TX says the same thing about hockey, “I just don’t understand it.” When they say that I cringe because of how easy it is to learn. However these people don’t make an effort to undrestand it because they weren’t brought up with it. So, the best chance that they have to learn the rules is on national broadcasts like (unfortunately) NBC’s version of a broadcast.
So although I can understand the reasoning to explain the game, it still like hearing metal scape ceramic most of the time. As crazy as this sounds I just can’t understand what is so hard to understand about offsides now that the 2 line rule is gone and icing just takes a couple of games, tops, to figure out. However I do have to keep in mind that I live in a state that wasn’t outraged by the thought that George W. Bush sold a baseball team a piece of property at 3X the face value. Sometimes I wonder how many of them fully understand football. The question came up after attending a Cowboys game. Needless to say, I was kind of shocked at the results. Let’s just say that the PR people for the Cowboys have some of the easiest jobs in all of sports when their owner isn’t drunk and their stadiums aren’t killing anyone.
Unproven playoff goaltenders shouldn't shoot their mouths off after game 6 and before game 7 unless they like being the other guy in the poster.
by metalcoconut on May 3, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes I wonder how many of them fully understand football.
Bwahaha! Good points. I do wonder … I mean other than offsides (which like you said, isn’t that big of a brainteaser), it’s a game you can “get” what’s going on pretty quickly: See the puck? They want to put it in that goal. The other guys want to do the same, over in that goal. Chaos ensues.
Though with the officiating I bet figuring out what on earth a penalty is would be unsolvable for the new fan…
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I was going to use offsides as an example. If you go to google, type in hockey Offsides, you get not only 5 great responses from trusted sites, but three diagrams and a youtube video of EA NHL for the SNES showing what Offsides is.
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Oh...don't get me started
Of course I am biased but video hockey is one of the best sports video games out on the market and I’m sure that if they sold more than 2 copies per Best Buy here some people might actually start to figure it out let alone get interested in the sport. However, being that all I commonly hear is that it is too fast and that they can not understand the game.
Hopping on Google is a simple answer and seems like it would be simple enough but that would require effort. I find myself telling all of them to attend a real game and I am usually met with the common answer, “Why would I want to go see a game that I don’t understand?” I can’t combat that question because it would require insulting them and I don’t want to go that route.
A study was just recently performed on football and the results seem to support certain stereotypes that some people may have. Let me also point out that baseball is a very slow moving sport. People live at a different pace down here and that is partly because it is hotter than blazes from May – October. Any day I expect to walk out may door and be treated to the non stop 100 degree party.
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I <3 video game hockey
I credit NHL 2010 and this blog for getting my interest in hockey back up to pre-lockout levels.
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it's really no more complicated than basketball
and honestly, way LESS complicated than football or baseball. I mean, sure, most Americans understand those other games better b/c they grow up playing them and they’re on TV more. But if you showed all 4 sports to someone who has never seen any of them before, hockey would probably be the one they’d be able to understand the quickest (especially if they come from a soccer loving nation, but that’s not even necessary).
In fact, it’s probably even less complicated than basketball: every goal is worth 1 point. There’s no “if it’s shot from here it’s worth 3, and on these special shots it’s only worth 1 but nobody can guard the player.”
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Hockey v NASCAR
NASCAR… everybody drives. It’s on ESPN. They’re brand was marketed everywhere and on everything. They know their fans, and THEIR POTENTIAL fans. They have professionals doing what they do best to grow the sport.
Hockey… Gary Bettman… do I need to say another word.
1. Do whatever you have to do to get back on ESPN.
2. Try to make hockey work in CANADA before you try to FORCE it to work in PHOENIX.
3. Get the Islanders out of Nassau County. YOU HAVE A LICENCE to do whatever you want in the 5 boroughs… MAKE IT WORK.
4. It’s time for some NEW ideas. Hockey is the greatest live sport. MARKET IT THAT WAY. Bubba in Nashville doesn’t care if they play an aggressive forecheck, or if they use a forward at the point on the PP… He spends Sunday afternoons drinking PBRs and yellin’ “Put ’m in the wall”… his expendable income is dying for some tuesday night excitement where he can yell, “put ’m in the boards”… but he doesn’t know that it exists in his backyard because he doens’t even know where VS is on his TV (UHF?)… If he was watching Monday nigth Football or Sunday Night Baseball and was getting spoonfed 60 seconds of guys ramming each other into next week, he might stick around for a playoff game… and then who knows… BOOM… ANOTHER DON CHERRY FAN!!! Might even put his picture up next to Rush Limbaugh and Wayne LaPierre.
Baseball has survived and flourished through the steroids era… we will never know where hockey would be without the mesomoronic era.
There may be a great plan for hockey’s future that those of us simple people can’t understand… but I’d have to say going by what I see, Gary Bettman, working under the direction of some of the luckiest (to be wealthy enough to own sports franchises in spite of double digit IQs) men in the world have completely screwed up the NHL.
We’ve already lost a whole season and a MAJOR TV contract. The league has expanded, but into markets that will take 20+ years to develop into mediocre, while moving from markets that were solid hockey bases going through tough financial (or political) periods.
Moving the Islanders to someplace like Kansas City would be the Mr. Bettmans Opus.
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Please Good Lord
No ESPN. For the Love of God no ESPN. I like Hockey being Versus Crown Jewel. Not being on ESPN8 “The Ocho” while Cheerleader competitions are on ESPN2 and another Analyst talks about his mock draft during the football offseason on ESPN.
I think Versus will eventually be a real challenger to ESPN. I realize its easy to make the cheap joke because of all the outdoorsman shows and what not. But it’s always easier/cheaper to keep existing programming around. I’m sure at some point they plan on picking up more major sports and replacing the morning outdoors block.
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Missed Opportunity
I have to disagree. I think this country’s “National Passtime” would be football if Baseball was on VS and MNF was on ESPN.
ESPN is a PROMOTIONAL MACHINE. They make something where there is NOTHING.
They didn’t start the POKER SURGE, but they sure as hell helped GSN not have to put on reruns of family fued on Sunday nights. Do you think anybody knows who Eliahu Ilan Elezra is without ESPN.
I bet there are more people in Mississippi who know Eli Elezra than they do Ilya Kovalchuk… more folks know Danny Negraneau than Cindy Crosby in Chattanooga.
NASCAR… I remember the days before ESPN… there were 25 NASCAR fans in NYC… That statement is paralell to, “Once upona time there were two chinamen”.
The point is CROSSOVER. Bettman put the NHL on the outside looking in. It may be good for you personally… but he lost the NHL BILLIONS… especially when he was trying to grow the sport along the sun belt. He should have PAID ESPN to broadcast games…
…and I’m sure other league heads think like you… “let me get my sport off that network that promotes me 24/7 for a network channel that half the people who have don’t know they have it… but they’ll show my sport exclusively…but not during hockey season”
Look at what a great job the NHL Network is doing… especially if you forget the number to call and order your Body By Jake or Shoes Under.
Baseball is on ESPN, football… ESPN… Basketball… ESPN…. NASCAR… ESPN… NCAA (Football, Basketball, baseball, softball, soccer)… ESPN…Hockey… VS
Which sport will be arguing for a flat (or regressive) cap this year?
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I tend to think people’s tastes are fairly entrenched, and now we’re seeing the results of a nichey multichannel world. I don’t buy that hockey was on the cusp of anything when Bettman came on board — there are too many sports editors who don’t know it or can’t stand it.
ESPN certainly helps a lot with exposure and buzz (but even in the case of poker, it’s like the reality TV phenomenon: It’s very cheap to air, so of course they ram it down people’s throats), but I look at the exposure football and baseball and even NASCAR get and I don’t envy it much. Woohoo! Stuart Scott and Deadspin are completely misunderstanding talking about my game! And the price of tea has gone up thanks to demand!
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Do you think anybody knows who Eliahu Ilan Elezra is without ESPN
i’d know, i started playing about 6 months before the poker bomb went off… but to be fair, there’s 1 person responsible, Chris Moneymaker, almost like fiction with that last name and winning in on a satellite, made it a reality for schlubs all over the world to come try, then the field tripled the next year and every poker show wanted to show you the next moneymaker – meh
espn’s coverage of poker blows most completely, from the awful jokes of the announcer to the boring 2 minute vignettes on every no-name at the table
of the 60 minutes, you may get 22 minutes of actual poker aired… nice…
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Ended Rants and Dead Plants
Where did Chris “make” his “money”… ON ESPN. If ti was on the travel channel he’d have been a minor celebrity amongst those who have watched it for a while… but the boom happened because of the INTERNET, Internet gaming access and the money behind that surge. All FUELED by ESPN… because they are a MARKETING MACHINE. Chris just happened to be THE Schlub… and a pretty nice one… so the whole story worked.
ESPN’s coverage of EVERY SPORT can be SPOTTY… but it gets out… and people see it… and some people enjoy it… but they can sell advertising for McDonalds, Burger King, Deoderant, and VIAGRA… THEY MAKE MONEY… and they help grow the sports that they air.
There is really no point in arguing about this… Hockey on VS is good for US… there is NO WAY it’s better for the NHL….
Do plants grow better in good soil with no water (ancillary marketing) and little light, (exposure) or spotty soil with all the water and light they can handle?
BTW… if you would have known Eli without ESPN I guess you’ve sat in on, or watched the game at Bellagio… or possibly crossed tables with him at WSOP… because he’d never had made TV even with his bracelet for 7StudH/L
I have to admit that I’m a big Eli fan, but wouldn’t have known him from Adam if not for ESPN… Now think of what the right exposure (money wise) could do for kids like Okposo and the hundreds of second tier or budding stars in the NHL… Just drop us back 30 years and think of what GOD Clark Gillies would have been with National Exposure, instead of a limited cable market and some over the air tri-state broadcasts… The GREATEST Power Forward EVER… and he his a minor celebrity in the place where he won four straight stanley cups.
Jeez… when Mike Bossy walks into a McDonalds on Hempstead Tpke, one kid might go, Do you know how that is???
“Yeah dude.. that’s the guy that played Dr. Who in the 80’s… do they have a 20 piece Mcnuggets, or do I have to buy two tens?”
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I introduced my girlfriend to hockey this season
The hardest things to explain (which weren’t even that hard) were offsides and icing – the biggest obstacle to my gf’s enjoyment of the sport is keeping up with the action. She complained a lot in the beginning that she never knew where the puck was and she still has trouble figuring out what happened when penalties are called (even in textbook cases).
Following the action is huge
I love that HD (when available) has given us a little wider angle. But it still takes some getting used to when you almost have to infer where the puck is.
Last night the Versus camera for SJ-Det was really jerky; like he was getting lost. That’s sort of what prompted this lament. I got to the point where I could tell where the puck was and the camera operator couldn’t. At that point, I’m like, “Just pull back man, we’ll figure it out and get our pretty playoff beard close-ups later.”
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Do NOT go there ;-)
Remember the blue dot and the streak that Fox invented so that non hockey fans could follow the puck around (even when it was hidden by the boards)? How many of us actually care where the puck is or consciously make any effort to follow it? Not many. We’re Hockey fans, doggoneit. We don’t care where the puck IS; we only want to be able to tell where it’s GOING.
In that context, I’d love to see wider angle shots.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on May 3, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
NO MORE CALLS...
we have a winner.
The way you can determine a fan from a casual observer is how much of the game they MISS trying to find the puck. Hockey is the best spectator sport because the action is EVERYWHERE. You just have to follow the stories, the strategies and the game as a whole.
I took my daugher to her first live NHL game this year… by the third period she knew to watch the line changes (for both teams) and construct expections from there. She would say, “Martin’s on the ice… will they (TOR) put Orr out there?”… She’s TEN… and my jaw dropped… SHE GOT IT. She knew that when the team crossed the blue line with fluidity and with more skaters than defenders it was time to stand up (not that anybody noticed except me…cause she’s barely 4 feet tall.
The proudest moment as a dad was when they were hemmed in for about 45 seconds and Park had a chance to rush up the ice after a long shift… she yelled, “Dump it and get off the ice”.
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by JPinVA on May 3, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sweet
My brother and took an italian to a live game once. He was a soccer fan, naturally, and had never seen hockey.
His first reaction (put your best native Italian accent on this): “De players … dey move-a so fast!”
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I would like to beleaguer the point that the 2010 Habs are the 1993 Habs
The main and most obvious comparison is that the refs seemed to be fooled by their jerseys and fail to call too many men on the ice. Arbour complained about it back in 93 and oddly enough they still get away with it. When the Versus announcers pick up on it you know that it is pretty obvious.
However this series presents some rather entertaining conditions. There is an unmoveable object and an irresistable force in this series. Either Crosby or the Yankees of hockey win this series. Either way someone goes home. Since Montreal has not won a cup in the last decade I am guessing that they are the favorites.
Unproven playoff goaltenders shouldn't shoot their mouths off after game 6 and before game 7 unless they like being the other guy in the poster.
I still have a bitter taste from 93...
It is hard to want either the Habs or the Pens to win that match. I think I’ll pull for the paramedics in that series.
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Experimental Broadcasts
Does anyone remember how back in the late 90s they would use former forth liners as broadcasters towards the end of the season on Islanders broadcasts?
I remember at the end of 98 and 99 (especially when Fox Sports NY was brand new) that they had a bunch of “Experimental” broadcasts without broadcasters. I don’t even think they could replay those game tapes anymore. I remember every three minutes some drunkard from the crowd would yell out “F (insert player here)” and a few times they cursed out the refs too.
Although I probably was the only one watching.
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Only if the Foxbots come with them
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Those Robots...
Really brought together everything that hockey hopes to accomplish.
Maybe…not so much.
When people would ask me about the Fox “comet” I would have to tell them that it was an experiment by Fox to see if they could attract a more psychedelic crowd in order to partner with more snack companies.
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Gordon to check out Nystrom...
Not sure if that’s been brought up already, but in case you haven’t seen it, Eric Nystrom has been added to the US team playing at the Worlds.
Impressive climb up the board by Nino
I’ve given BC some hell about his non-stop cheer-leading for him, but Nino is looking pretty good right now, so I’m happy to admit my mistake.
I’d be happy to have a rugged winger. Only problem is he’s probably at least a year (and probably more) from being NHL ready.
Tank for Taylor Hall!
You can never use enough top-five picks on goalies.
—Some guy somewhere.
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