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Thank You NHL!!!

So how about we give the NHL a big thank you for showing the Islanders on the "History Will Be Made" with Wayne scoring on Smitty. So i unfortunately don't have access to the videos that the NHL does, but I do however love my Islanders.

So this is for all Islander fans out there. I also don't know if anyone else did one for the Islanders. Enjoy Bobby scoring on Peeters 30 years ago this month!!!


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This is sarcasm, right?

If the NHL shows Bobby scoring the GWG against Philly or Boss’s highlight reel job against Vancouver I will be thankful. Showing the bitter ending of the Drive for Five? That is just salt in the wound.

by BCISLEMAN on May 27, 2010 4:33 AM EDT reply actions  

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What if the NHL didn’t have amnesia about 1980-83?

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by Dominik on May 27, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

In fairness

have they had any of those ads on the old Hab champion teams?

by BCISLEMAN on May 27, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about that

I almost said “1975 to 1983,” since they’ve had plenty of Flyers love if not actually featuring the 74-75 teams. The Habs are covered in attention all the time, but I think the only pre-1984 ad in this campaign was the one about Bobby Orr in 1970…

…which is kind of hilarious actually, because that goal wasn’t really that remarkable and all it did was seal a 4-0 series sweep. The advent of easy video has changed perceptions, I think (people have seen the video way too often by now), but as a pup it used to amaze me how often I would hear that goal described as “Bobby Orr scored while flying through the air, parallel to the ice!”

Regardless, I think cutting it off at 1984 except for the much-known Orr video is a mistake. There is no better chance to teach younger people and new fans the history of the game than when they’re already in high gear for the playoffs. When they’re ready to see an interesting video clip and ask, “Wow, what should I know about that moment?” Which is why the Nystrom goal begs for its own feature, independent of my Islanders bias: It was a hugely significant moment in which league history turned, and which made possible a dynasty and a playoff series win streak that will never be matched.

Similarly the Lemieux goal. Bourque winning the Cup as a mercenary, not so much. And Yzerman’s goal? Amazing moment, but they lost the next series. You could pick other moments that had more significance to the Red Wings’ episodic quasi-dynasty.

Yes, I have thought about this way too much and should probably leave the house more.

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by Dominik on May 27, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

First of all, what is a dynasty?

There have not been many dynasties in NHL history. There have been the Canadiens and the Islanders. That’s it. The Oilers won only 2 in a row (2x). The Penguins only won 2. The Red Wings only won 2 in a row as well. I guess maybe we can throw the Maple Leafs in there, they won 3 in a row 2 times.

Honestly, I only count the 70’s Canadiens and our beloved Isles because the other dynasties existed when there were only 6 teams. I discount the Oil because they lost in ‘86 (Dynasties don’t end and then start again – - It’s not like the Ming dynasty ended, took a few years off, and then decided to be in charge again)

Therefore, the NHL’s blackout of 1980-83 is strange, because it’s only been done by 2 teams, and the Islanders did it in the US, where the NHL is trying to grow the game. Why not try to build on the great Olympics and show that American franchises are good too. Just a thought.

by billymac23 on May 27, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Defining "dynasty"

I am with you (though I don’t know if I’d rule out pre-67 dynasties), though we might be in the minority. I argued against giving the Wings the label last year at From The Rink, but it seems like people want to hand out the term like a coupon.

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by Dominik on May 28, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it is sarcasm

We can look at a dynasty many ways. Yes 75-83 is an interesting concept. I did notice that the Sharks are the Islanders of old with the 6 of 7 100+point seasons and the one they missed out at was 99 points. They could be considered a really good team of the decade. However their rep is the almost doesn’t count of the NHL. Reminding me of a college friend from Boston stating that the Bruins make the playoffs every year with my answer being but what is the outcome. Everyone on the east coast points to the Devils as a successful team in the past …hmmmm ….20 years give or take. What we have to realize is that the game has changed so much over the past 30 years and that, in my opinion, we won’t see many dynasties due to the cap and free agency. I could see why Wang attempted to sign Ricky and Yashin to such lengthy contracts because he wanted to establish a core that would be there for possibly 3 or 4 champions. This is my opinion why the islanders are keeping the spending down so when contracts like Tavares and Okie and the such come due and possible a FA here or there, there will be plenty of room to move. Another reason is not to dump money into kids that havent earned anything. In a recent article I had read on Yahoo, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar felt that the entry age to the NBA should be raised to 21 because the increasing sense of entitlement among rookies. Now I understand that the NHL had put a cap on contracts for rookies, but the FA market sometimes is dominated by players that are looking for money while going through the motions. i mean i am all for a guy that can put the puck in the net making big bucks and the guy playing a consistent and steady game day in and out, but guys like Park, Sim, Weight etc need to be going nuts every night. Park shows amazing skills some nights and yet other nights I never hear his name. I realize that Martinek is a talented player but will he ever play a full season? Hopefully the group drafted (past few years and present) will feel that the Islanders believed in them and they should show allegiance to the team. Also I understand I ramble but sometimes the mind tends to wander. Lets just look at how many years it took the Penguins to win a cup. Those early 2000 teams were horrible. I give the Islanders 2 more years then there should be no reason why (unless a major celestial event happens) we can’t make a really good cup run. Just in time for a new building….hmmmm ….ok enough of that.

by AndyPopp on May 27, 2010 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

P.S.

I think the NHL does the WORST job of marketing the playoffs and such. Why not have a 4 part … half hour special: The History of the Stanley Cup. Hosted by guys that won the damn thing. Using a quality camera and quality film. If the NFL can shoot a quality film then the NHL can as well. One show before each game 1-4 then if the series runs further make a special like Tales of the Stanley Cup. Lots of good stories and it might….just might gain a few hockey newcomers. So yes my post is sarcasm at its best.

by AndyPopp on May 27, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

guys like Park, Sim, Weight etc need to be going nuts every night. Park shows amazing skills some nights and yet other nights I never hear his name.

I really believe for guys like that, it’s a product of: 1) their talent has a certain ceiling to begin with, and 2) hitting that ceiling every night is impossible. I’d be willing to bet most guys with Park’s role are playing through minor injuries that limit them half the time. This game’s grind and their role makes it inevitable.

On the Sharks: I’m not yet convinced that they won’t be a sort of mini-Islanders story, in terms of finally getting over the hump. A lot will depend on what kind of competition they have in the West next year, as well as the luck of the playoffs. For a sweep, that was one close series.

On your rambling: No problem — though paragraph breaks help cue us to when you’re switching gears!

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by Dominik on May 28, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

One thing that nobody has ever done in any sport

is to win 19 straight playoff series. No one else has ever done it…and I doubt anyone else ever will. And it gets really tiresome to hear Oil fans dump on Smith…just as it is tiresome to hear Sox fans kill Buckner. Happened the same year too. Neither Smith or Buckner are to blame. Their teams lost. Period!!!

by BCISLEMAN on May 27, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

The 19

And that, really, should be the start and end of any “greatest team” debate. Another fun accessory: During the four Cup years (16 series), they faced an elimination game exactly once.

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by Dominik on May 28, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

and their Finals record for the cup winning years was 16-3

While I absolutely loved the streak and the 19 consecutive series wins will never be challenged, I don’t think 4-2, 4-0, 4-1 and 4-0 are finals results that the NHL really wnats to see again. Domination like that by anyone can’t be good for the game.

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 14, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

This is true, and I'd rather not see that

…but if it were the Islanders, I’d be willing to tolerate it. :D

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d probably have to tolerate it for the good of Isles nation, but the main reason I don’t want to see it is that I’d probably end up getting beat up too many times.

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 14, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess championship pennants only provide so much protection.

What are the prevailing rooting interests in your neck of the woods? Habs? My buddy’s fiance from N.S. has not team loyalties, but she’s all about Crosby.

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by Dominik on Jun 14, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

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