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Bits: No Volek needed for fallen champs, relegation-fighting U.S.

In the end, the Habs didn't need a David Volek to do a lesser 1993 to the Penguins: A "little" Gionta and Cammalleri goes a long way. (And to be clear, that 1993 Penguins team was in a realm that puts today's Pens to shame.)

Wilpon/Queens/Wang Fallout, Day 2: Everybody milks second-day stories: Isles fans "wouldn't mind" Queens [Post | Newsday]  Still Drivin' says hey, it beats K.C. (but that was never a real option). With every outlet beating down his door to go beyond the Newsday "exclusive," Wilpon released an official statement restating the same, and Mayor Bloomberg says he can dig it. [Post | Newsday | Heh, Bloomberg] Chris Botta was on radio about it all for Toronto's 590. ... Not to be outdone by Winnipeg, Quebec City does its, "Hey, we lost a team too" routine.

Update: The Times re-iterates a move to Queens doesn't invade the Rangers' territory. (see BC's Fanshot)

Thanks to everyone for the discussion of this topic in the other thread. Good stuff, everybody.

World Woes: John Tavares scored but Canada lost to Switzerland for the first time in 25 tries, and Steven Stamkos was hurt ... Worse, Scott Gordon's U.S. team of misfits lost again, meaning they are off to the relegation round. Do they lack speed for the big ice? ... The Danes lost to host Germany and Frans Nielsen took a hooking penalty, leading Michael Fornabaio to wonder if that makes him a bigger criminal in international play.

Ratings: Are the NHL playoffs awesome? Viewers, and Nielsen, and Versus/NHL PR says very much so.

Oh, did you say playoffs? So Hal Gill defeats his old team, and Crosby goes home. The fabled Igloo is no more. [Remorse at Pensburgh | Intolerable happiness at Eyes on the Prize | Down Goes Brown is dying inside] That game had the perfect start for the Habs, and the Penguins never recovered. Bummer that Jacques Martin could get two Game 7s done for the Habs but never for the Senators. And what of ol' captain Billy "McNulty" Guerin -- is this it for him? Penguins columnists are bringing the knives out for Guerin, Fleury and others.

Philly wins again, and suddenly I'm rooting for the Bruins in Game 7, because I don't want the Flyers to usurp glorious 1975. What about you?

Today is the first day without any playoff hockey in quite a while. As we move on, it begins. The NHL season really is dying just as it approaches its apex. {sigh}

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Denmark lacked a bit ot urgency in this game. They rested two players, whereas Germany was desperate and showed a quite good performance. Nielsen’s line didn’t get much going, either, and it was a particularly tough game for him anyway. After 10 minutes he was brought down in front of the own goal and the skate of a German player hit the side of his face under the visor. He was cut only marginally, went quickly to the locker room and was back about 5 minutes later. But that was a very scary moment indeed. And generally, the Germans were very well aware of Nielsen’s class and defended him very well with good physicality. As for the penalty, well, Nielsen didn’t agree with the call and I can’t tell… The German player drove to the net and was about to shoot, when Nielsen got him off the puck in the last second. Actually, he might be that good defensively that everything was ok, but there also might have been a little infraction indeed and if so, it was a penalty he had to take.

Tavares played a decent game against Switzerland. He was surely one of the better Canadiens out there. But the Swiss defended him pretty well, were quite physical on him in front of the net and in the corners with one hit frustrating him particularly and leading to kind of a retaliation hook by JT.

by BenHasna on May 13, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Ratings

Great news about the ratings. I love to see the NHL gaining popularity. But the VS. numbers are a little deceiving. Remember, last year DirectTV costumers didn’t have VS. and they do this year. That’s a whole lot more available TV’s to be tuning in.

I am a little surprised by the record breaking Canadian viewership. I thought everyone in Canada watched the playoffs every year. Maybe this run by the Canadiens is causing the increase in ratings.

by The Fitz on May 13, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Remember, last year DirectTV costumers didn’t have VS. and they do this year.

Actually, I think it was just this regular season that DirecTV viewers lost Vs, but they settled it in time for the playoffs, no?

Canada … maybe Canadiens + Canucks + Crosby are the big factors (with the Habs being the biggest)?

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by Dominik on May 13, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the improved numbers, Fitz. It means that the demand to put VS. on DirecTV was justified, and the product is good enough to attract a wider audience with more availability.

When I flipped on the game yesterday the second period was just starting and it was 2-0 Montreal. I got to see those goals on highlight. MAF is not happy with himself, I guarantee. The third goal wasn’t his fault, that was just a pretty tic-tac-toe; Moen’s goal to chase him was absolute crap. One of my own defenseman would have gotten more of a body on Moen than Gonchar did – and I play in a rec league where hitting is not allowed. It was a total olé. I’m convinced that the other two Pens in the play didn’t bust it quite as hard getting back because they fully expected Gonchar to knock Moen off stride, and why shouldn’t they? Then of course Fleury whiffs entirely on the shot going down too early instead of keeping his feet and just catching the puck. Absolute dagger goal.

How about Camalleri’s saucer pass on the PP for the fifth goal? That was gorgeous, wasn’t it?

Sorry Lavs – but Philly MUST GO DOWN. MUST. I want ’75 to last a while longer. On top of that, for Boston of all towns to experience the ’04 comeback and then cough this up? The Mass Pike will look like Jonestown. It MUST NOT HAPPEN. Please.

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by mikb on May 13, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Gonchar

…and Kunitz, too. WTF? It’s Game 7 here boys. Kind of a big deal.

I was really waiting, half-expecting the Penguins to pull it together on this one. They’d been through the proverbial wars the past two years, so I did not expect them to wilt like that.

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by Dominik on May 13, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hockey eBay
Wilpon also said it’s possible he could buy the Islanders.

This goes back to what I’ve been saying for years. The Islanders true value is that they can put up a tent anywhere in the city and they paid for it at 1972 prices.
If the Islanders move out of NY the NHL isn’t going to find another stooge who is willing to give Dolan $50M on top of all his other expenses to put a team within 50 miles of the Rangers… and who knows what the Devils will ask.
All I hear is, “who would buy the Islanders?”. With only 5 years left on their lease, a few NY options (THAT DON"T INCLUDE NASSAU COUNTY) and multiple Canadien Options as a safety net… who wouldn’t want to buy the team.
The Wilpons also have a positive relationship with the mayor’s office… the same can’t be said for Wang and Nassau County. I really hope this deal goes through… and it frees up the county to okay the LH project sans the coliseum. Charles will be happy, but more importantly LIers get jobs and tax revenue.

Putting a sports/entertainment 17K+ arena in Queens would remove the Coliseum altogether from LH developers plans… which is most likely what the county and town had in mind all along. Maybe Kate Murray isn’t such a bad person after all… I don’t know for sure, but I don’t know of any of her business associates that had to spend a few years as a ward of the state because of something she benefitted from and had to sign off on.
 

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by JPinVA on May 13, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

The Islanders true value is that they can put up a tent anywhere in the city and they paid for it at 1972 prices.

Exactly. That’s why K.C. has never really sincerely scared me. If you’re looking to make a mint or stroke your ego (or both) with a hockey team, where would you rather put it?

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by Dominik on May 13, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Next to the Playboy Mansion?

And with the 1st overall pick in the 2016 NHL Entry Draft, the Holmby Hills Ice Bunnies select…

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by JPinVA on May 13, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dear Bunnies of the Ranch:
By fall 2016, all of you will need to have mastered ice skating skills and take on second duties as ice girls, per my new pro sports initiative.

Wait, why am I telling you this now? By 2016 you will all be replaced by girls who are currently entering high school. Carry on then.

Sincerely,
Hugh

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by Dominik on May 13, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kate & Cronies are in the hip pocket of some very influential folks--esp in Garden City

They didn’t want Queens next store, but apparently they wouldn’t mind Las Vegas. Well, if you can’t have Queens next store, move to Queens, I always say.

by BCISLEMAN on May 13, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

What then...

I think you’re right… but maybe what’s good for Garden City is good for Uniondale, Freeport, Merrick… etc.
The bigger question is, what do you put there. I was never a big fan of “The Lighthouse”, but i couldn’t answer the question, “Well genius, what would you do there?”.
Well… to be honest… I’d level the whole place… and knoing that I’d have to take three clubs to the tee on some of the Eisenhower Park par 3’s .. I’d put up windmills… (sorry.. I was chaneling Al Gore for a second… and my dream of a 200 acre Cheetah Lounge is just inappropriate)
If you leave the colley up, putting all those residential units makes it a nightmare 15 years down the road.
If you make it mostly commercial they will put themselves in a tough spot finding occupants in a depressed market. “My business just lost $2M last year, sure I’ll increase my per sq ft overhead”.
Maybe a nuclear power plant… if hempstead looks like it did (or has progressed in the same direction) there would be plenty of places to channel waste without anybody protesting… well… anybody people from garden city care about.
Looking towards the future, maybe they could start by planning the infrastructure to support electric based transportation. A park and ride with charging stations for commuter vehicles.
Any one of those (even the cheetah) is far more necessary than a minor league baseball field, 5 skating rinks and an underground parking fuure catastrophe lot.

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by JPinVA on May 13, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

My theory

What do Garden City and Las Vegas have in common that Queens does not? Lots of white faces. I think a lot of this was about that. But I could be wrong.

by BCISLEMAN on May 13, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think "pigment" has anything to do with it...

 A casino brings:
1. Corporate Money (temporarily and quickly) to develop the land.
2. Jobs… mostly minimum wage service jobs.. but good jobs will be available.
3. Entertainment.
4. Transient population… lots of rental properties will be occupied.
5. Tax revenue.
6. The NUMBER ONE reason you do not want a casino in your backyard. The money vacuum dynamic. If you’ve ever seen the surrounding areas of Atlantic city and the Vegas Strip you’d see what a Casino does to the local economy. Hempstead tpke will be laced with pawn shops, liquor stores and check cashing outlets… oh wait… there must be a casino there already (see keno)
A LH brings:
1. Private (begged for and sweated out) funding… that just means years of stalling and construction delays. The guy whines about losing 20M/year… wait until he’s dropping $70-$100M/year without seeing a dime. Oh yeah… it’s not that bad when it’s the bank’s money backed by your billions… protected against corporate bankruptcy.
2. Traffic. the added residential traffic is bad enough, then add the commercial raffic it adds… and the nights that the coliseum is used 5-7 they can change the name from Garden City to Gridlock City. (the cadsino adds traffic as well, but it can be managed better… and probably the rest of the LH dies… so no hi rise apts… and prolly no colley.)
3. UNDERGROUND PARKING… I may lack imagination, but I cannot see 40,000 people parking UNDER this whole fiasco… with 15K trying to get in and out at one time… while residents try to just get home… Is there anything like that somewhere else in the country?
4. STILL… NO MASS TRANSIT. With a casino your traffic is more long distance (over 50 miles)…though it could be supported just by nassau residents that spend their money in Jersey, Conn. or Vegas…. the traffic is mostly drive in, stay a few days, drive out. Much easier to manage without a train station or light rail to major arteries.
5. eventual tax revenue… good lord if it fails… I think this is where the county is most worried. They will probably go 5 years without seeing a dime, and spending a ton on infrastructure… and if it goes putt putt poof… Wang disappears to hawaii… and they are left with the rubble. Then all those people who had the torches and pitchforks in town hall meetings trying to crucify Murray will be doing it again… with whoever is sitting in her office.

I definitely don’t want to see a casino if I’m a garden city resident… or if I live in Uniondale, Merrick, Baldwin, RVC…etc… but they really need to do something that adds to the area 20 years from now. I’m still lobbying for windmills… and alternate transportation infrastructure.

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by JPinVA on May 13, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's just it

if it is quality of life, they should be up in arms about this as well…and I haven’t heard that they are.

by BCISLEMAN on May 13, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go Bruins!

The only team I dislike more than the Flyers are the Rangers (and sometimes the Devils – they switch places, kinda like Pluto and Neptune), and I don’t think I could take annoying Philly fans (of which I know far too many) if the Flyers win this series. It’s bad enough that the Phillies are good and the Eagles are good, if the Flyers pull off this miracle, I’ll never hear the end of it. Conversely, watching them come back to force a Game 7 and then LOSE it would be heartbreaking for them, and I enjoy their heartbreak. The tears of Philadelphians sustain me.

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by cjmulrain on May 13, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

tough

I don’t see how they can win now. It seems all the momentum is with PHL. I think it i svery hard for a team to win game 7 after losing the previous 3

by Rickfansince76 on May 13, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s only the sixth time a hockey team has forced game 7 by winning three straight. The team that held the 3-0 lead is 3-2 in those situations (’42 Wings and ’75 Pens are the losers). One of those teams was the ’75 Flyers against the Isles.

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by mikb on May 13, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

(and sometimes the Devils – they switch places, kinda like Pluto and Neptune)

Brilliant! Somehow this comparison makes it easier for me to explain why my “hate list” shuffles to and fro.

This is an odd year for me; no matter what, I’m going to be very ticked off at whoever wins the Cup.

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by Dominik on May 13, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

1975 Redux

Zed and Miro won’t let us down. The Isles also did THIS in 1975… come back against the hated Flyers after being down 3-0, only to lose in game 7. I wonder if Boston has a “Kate Smith”… maybe they can march Donna Summer out to sing the National Anthem…. This might be their “Last Dance”

It’s gonna happen every 35 years… think of it as JP’s(Parise) comet…

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by JPinVA on May 13, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe the Islanders can move to south Jersey

somewhere near Long Beach Island, Atlantic City

the South Jersey Islanders

this way when I visit my parents I can go to the games

by Rickfansince76 on May 13, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Wait a minute

As we move on, it begins. The NHL season really is dying just as it approaches its apex. {sigh}

No Dom we are getting closer to the start of the Islanders season again… :)

I suspect that the ratings will get a bump with football looming over the decision to skip a season vs employ scabs. Therefore with all the talk of contract disputes that surround the NFL I am guessing more people will be turned on to the game of hockey. I know they have a full season to go before that happens but that is a season of discord and squabbles that will help loosen up some fans that are looking for a physical sport to help tie them over until it returns with the regular players.

Chara needs to clear a few people out of the crease tonight and the d, in general, needs to keep Philly shooting from the outside.

Joe Thornton should be drug tested or checked to see if an imposter has taken over his jersey.

by metalcoconut on May 13, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

also the NBA is talking about another lockout

and honestly, I think they actually need one, with the financial mess they are in. But that would really clear the way for hockey to come all the way back and then some.

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by cjmulrain on May 13, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

How unreal would that be?

If NBA and NFL run into labor stoppages right as the NHL is picking up steam? (Surely then the BOG and NHLPA would do something stupid like do their own work stoppage.)

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by Dominik on May 13, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Dom we are getting closer to the start of the Islanders season again… :)

Touche. That’s more like it. And seeing Boston and Philly and Montreal last this long has made me hungry.

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by Dominik on May 13, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Melting The Igloo

Where to start?So OV with 5 goals in the first round series against Montreal according to many in the Canadian media is not a big game player.What does that make Cindy Crybaby with his one goal in his series with the Habs?Talk about stepping up your play in a game 7 situation.Bad penalty to start the game by Sid to get them off on the wrong foot and an overall minus 2 on the night.Does this make Mike Cammalleri with his 7 goals in the series and 12 in the playoffs the best player in the world?As Sid The Kid said after the game “I have never seen a team before try to get outchanced 2 to 1 as a strategy to win”.Well if you turn the Habs crest sideways you will see a horseshoe on it.Didn’t think it would take this long but congrats to MAB for another strong game.Plus 1 on the night and he was also on the ice for the Montreal PP goals that opened and closed the scoring in the game.The first one got them started and the last one was the final dagger.On a side note I agree with most everyone that the Flyers MUST LOSE. Everytime a team gets in a 3-0 hole the story must always be about the 1975 Islanders.

by Isle Of Weight on May 13, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow
As Sid The Kid said after the game "I have never seen a team before try to get outchanced 2 to 1 as a strategy to win".

Did he really say that? He’s showing his youth then. These better teams — including the Caps before them — have to realize that a team like the Habs is going to play this passive, counterattack game because it’s their only hope. If they stymie you for 4 of 7, you tip your cap and ask why you couldn’t break down their scheme.

It’s fine to talk about scoring chances and shot differential and luck — I enjoy that quite a bit, actually — but at the end of the day they have to remember the point of the game is W’s and L’s.

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by Dominik on May 13, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

moronic, ain't it?

First of all, the guy won the Stanley Cup and an Olympic Gold Medal in the space of less than a year, scored the winning shootout goal in a Winter Classic, has already had a large number of successes in key moments. Losing this game shouldn’t get him whimpering.

Second, nice penalty to start the game, dipwad.

Third, NOBODY tries to get “outchanced.” They were trying to limit the Pens chances – that is a strategy to outchance you, not the other way around. More chances usually means more goals, especially high-quality chances. And of course, whatever strategy one chooses, in the end the point is to outSCORE the other team.

Sid shouldn’t shave today. Maybe by next April he’ll have a noticable playoff beard.

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by mikb on May 13, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strategy...

Maybe Bylsma can get some duct tape for next year. Shutting Cindy’s yap hole will give everybody a break… and if he can close Evegny Mouthbreather’s pie hole he’ll be more aerodynamic… and possibly faster. Then maybe they’ll outchance the canadiens 3 to 1.
Meanwhile… pittsburgh has a mass case of Earlyexititis, while folks in Montreal are calling in sick with Halaktosous… brought on by eating penguin out of season.

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by JPinVA on May 13, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meanwhile, looting in Montreal...

Why in the hell can’t Montreal win a stinking playoff series without rioting? Where is the gene that makes a Hab fan think, “We won, I must break shit.”?

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by Dominik on May 13, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

@lafeur4ever

RT @stpat33 – wait, we won last night?

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by mikb on May 13, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

If the Habs didn't already have a stupidly large number of Cup victories

I’d probably cheer for them all the way. Though there would be a certain beauty in an underdog from the “crappy Eastern Conference” winning it all.

by ilopan on May 13, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

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