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Islanders Gameday: Fun with foil in Philly

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New York Islanders (26-31-8, 28th) at Philadelphia Flyers (34-26-4, 6th/E)
The [
it's like a bank or something] Center
7:30 p.m. on VERSUS [
a.k.a. "All Flyers-Pens, all the time"], radio
Opposition broads:
Broad Street Hockey

When the Islanders last played in Philadelphia, they called up Trevor Gillies for his second-ever NHL game on his 31st birthday, and Scott Gordon used the enforcer for an entirely predictable six shifts and 3:16 of ice time, none of it coming after the mid-way point of the second period. Resident Flyers tool Danny Carcillo spoke before that game about how he avoids designated enforcers (boy, does he ever) and doesn't let them fight with him, and he followed through by executing the role of the protected pest by, among other things, playing dead after a Freddy Meyer check to draw a boarding penalty.

Last weekend, Carcillo let the Leafs' Colton Orr -- who is essentially a high-paid penalty-taker -- dig his own hole with stupid penalties, including a hilarious sequence where he came out of the box, led a 2-on-1 and ... ran the goalie, landing right back in the box. Carcillo said afterward:

"That guy, I’m never going to fight him. He doesn’t really do anything unless someone fights him. I knew he was going to run me. I sucked him into a few (penalties) and luckily we scored a little later."

Star-divide

I'm not going to rehash my rant about the pointlessness of employing players whose sole purpose is to fight (er, sorry, "protect"), but I just don't see how calling Gillies up for tonight's game helps much. Gordon doesn't skate his enforcers much (and I don't think he should), and though their implied "puttin' on the foil" presence on the bench may provide the confidence of security for the other Islanders, I've yet to see evidence of that helping gain wins. Improved special teams -- now that would help garner wins.

That said, the Islanders have a crowd at forward and, with only temporary injuries to Blake Comeau and Trent Hunter (Doug Weight was also out with the "flu" yesterday), perhaps the idea is to just execute a one-game callup that doesn't mess with the Bridgeport forwards many of us would rather see get another look. And I guess, you know, it's Philly -- so if stupid stuff does happen (though I notice they waived Riley Cote, so that's one clown gone), it doesn't hurt to have someone who can bring the crazy.

Certainly I don't begrudge Gillies his third NHL game -- lord knows what enforcers have to do to make it this far, so hats off to him -- I'm just curious, in the grander Islanders scheme, what the tactic is. I suppose for a one-game callup in theoretically hostile environs, that's it.

 

14 Games. That Rather Sucks.

As you've probably heard or remember all too well from the singular experience of living through them, the Islanders are winless against the Flyers for 14 games now. So of course now, with the Isles playoff hopes now an elusive vapor -- no doubt now is the time the Isles will pick to pull out a win. Just when things are sour with a pre- and post-Olympic run of losses, surely now is when they tease us. No? Well, it was a thought.

In 12 of those games, Martin Biron has been the goaltender of record. Of course, nine of those were wins for the Flyers, and three this year were losses for the Islanders. (Technically, they were all wins for the Flyers and losses for the Islanders, but you know what I mean in a Biron-centric sort of way.)

By the way, in NHL math this run is 0-11-3 for the Isles and, naturally, 14-0 for the Fly. Essentially, the Islanders are the single biggest reason the Flyers have made the playoffs the past two seasons, and with two meetings left and the Flyers currently holding the sixth seed, the Isles have a good chance of making it three-for-three. 

In the words of the great wet blanket Maggie from Caddyshack: "Oh yeah? Well tanks fer nuttin'!"

 

17 Games Kinda Sucks Too.

Poor John Tavares. It's 17 games without a goal now. When this slump finally breaks, we better see that smile again. This game is supposed to be fun. ... Ville Leino, the 26-year-old Finn who couldn't make it work in Detroit, has one goal in two post-Olympic games with the Flyers. No idea how many games he'll get (and whether tonight would be one), but it will be interesting to see if he can convert into a steal. ... A recurring topic around the Flyers is what's wrong with Scott Hartnell -- which of course is a loaded question.

 

28th Place? Well, That One Depends on Perspective.

If you missed it over the weekend, the Hurricanes, despite (or because of?) a massive trade deadline purge, lapped the Islanders, an accomplishment I once thought impossible. (So there's my crow-eating; serves me right for thinking that franchise's unending bipolar cycle would delay its next about-face until the end of the year.) With Carolina and Columbus now a point above the Islanders: Begun, the lottery watch has.

GP Record Pts.
Edmonton 65 21-38-6 48
Toronto 65 20-33-12 52
Islanders 65 26-31-8 60
Columbus 66 25-30-11 61
Carolina 65 27-31-7 61
Florida 64 26-28-10 62
Tampa Bay 64 27-26-11 65

Don't forget this one's on Versus -- so sorry to you DirecTV subscribers.

Prediction: The Versus announcers grate on my last nerve. Revised: Apparently Doc "verb before subject" Emrick and our own Billy Jaffe get the call tonight, so beyond Doc's tendency to save the subject of his play-by-play for the end of each sentence ("Passing it is Tavares, bouncing it off Carcillo's face and into the goal is Okposo."), there will be no grating for me. No Joe Ba-simply-insufferable! to wear on my ears. I guess my revised prediction is the over/under on minutes for Gillies should be 4:00.

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The way Carolina is playing

I wouldn;t be surprised to see them snag a playoff berth—-something even I did not think possible even as recently as a few weeks ago. Vapor, Dom? Don’t even think there is even that. As I pointed out last night when someone kidded that we might now win 17 in a row, that would tie the 92-93 Pens for the NHL record and it would still only get us to 94 points. If Boston, the current 8th seed merely treads water at .500 for the balance of the season, they would have 87 points. Our playoff hopes were fun while they lasted, but they are done. Unless JT starts scoring goals in bunches, I doubt we will rise above our current 28th overall. If we lose our remaining joust with Burkie Blowhard’s Boys, we might even slip to 29th. It would be nice if the boys could win the remaining games against the Flyers, Rangers, and the one against the Flames and deprive those teams of playoff berths in the process. Beyond that, there’s giving anyone remotely ready in Bridgeport a look and getting in the best possible position for the draft.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 9, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

I saw that

And got a good chuckle.

But supposedly the way their, uh, “peer group” has played so poorly, a 14-3 or 13-2-1 finish still gives them 60+ percent odds of squeaking in. So hey, we just to win all the non-Flyers games and we’re golden.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 9, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If we can win the Flyer, Ranger, and Flame games

and have a few OT and SO losses, we will be close to the 80 points I agreed with an NHL.COM guy at the start of the season was reasonable to expect.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 9, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

but I just don’t see how calling Gillies up for tonight’s game helps much

it allows him to play Park and Sim an extra 5-6 minutes – all is well

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 9, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

Flip side

Or maybe it makes us a three-line team for one night!

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 9, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

thats a great thought, but he NEVER does that, he plays 4 lines, and sits individuals (for the most part i guess i shouldn’t say NEVER) lol

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 9, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Columbus 66 25-30-11 61

nash left the game yesterday, if he misses any substantial time, they will finish worse than us

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 9, 2010 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

See, that’s what I thought when Cam Ward got injured and the Canes were in clearance mode. Who knows, the BJ’s may be so happy for life without Hitchcock that they spoil their lottery!

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 9, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

no nash, no torres, they cant’ even call up filatov now, lol

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 9, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

When You Assume...

That assumes that we will get another point this season….

Jesus would probably turn the other cheek too… but in a league where everybody walks on water I bet you couldn’t get a third rounder for the lord at the deadline.

by JPinVA on Mar 9, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i only assume 1 thing in life, that when i’m at the strippy, the girl really likes me for me

ouch, looking at the schedule, kinda ruff…

flyers penguins devils and rangers all twice – canucks ducks kings all on the road
blues, canadians, sens, blue jackets, leafs, flames

we can get maybe 12 points in these last 17 games…

START BIRON GARTH!!!

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 9, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe it's my fault

i haven’t been wearing the JT jersey at all in the new year… i’ll wear it tonight, but if this goes badly don’t think i wont turn the ps3 on and get lost in FFXIII now that i have it

hey dom, is this the first national coverage game for the isles this year?

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 9, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, Versus Broadcast another Isles – Flyers game earlier this season. Or at least it seems like it.

Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!

by WebBard on Mar 9, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, sometimes Versus has to show the Islanders if it’s the only way to get the Flyers on that week. /not cynical at all

So they showed a previous NYI-PHI game, and I’m tempted to say there was a third this year (or was that last year?). {shrug}

Of course they’ve been on Canadian national broadcasts a few times, too, but that’s not too hard when you have a minimum of 12 games against maple opponents.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 9, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No Gimmicks, Just True Value!

Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer extortion. The X makes it sounds cool.

by David Hanssen on Mar 9, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

well he says he can score big, i’m sold

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 9, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

me, too. Put him on a line with Tavares.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Mar 9, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Versus stinks

oh yeah I am mad that I can’t watch the game tonight. but on th ebright side the last 2 times I missed games the Islanders won , so maybe they will continue this trend tonight.

by Rickfansince76 on Mar 9, 2010 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

in that case

check back in at the end of april ;)

by ilopan on Mar 9, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh Hockey Gods

And your son Bryan Trottier and Holy Ghost Clark Gillies, Let us win tonight, this streak against the Flyers is just reaching Embarrassing levels.

Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!

by WebBard on Mar 9, 2010 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

Another enjoyable night with the Flyers fan roomie is in the cards, eh?

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 9, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely, I’ve been hearing about it since Sunday.

Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!

by WebBard on Mar 9, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If my memory still works we had an even worse string (longer, if not all losses, then lots and a few ties) against the Caps when they were Ollie, Bondra, Simon and Witt… The worst part of that is that it was after I left NY, and before I was able to get Center Ice… so the only games I got to see were when I went to the Cap Center, or had to listen to Craig Laughlin’s obnoxious voice on TV.
That was also when I started that “I hate that guy”, “boy, I wish we had somebody like that” relationship with Simon… and like with most relationships I’ve been in… that ended badly. But at least I knew he never liked me for me… I knew he just wanted the lapdance money…

Jesus would probably turn the other cheek too… but in a league where everybody walks on water I bet you couldn’t get a third rounder for the lord at the deadline.

by JPinVA on Mar 9, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Trending topic of the day

Strip club metaphors.

When you think about it, Chris Simon has had one of the more interesting hockey careers. Take any single season out of context and you’d have a totally different profile of “what this guy is” for each one.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 9, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

...met a pieman...yada yada yada... and smashed him over the head!

One minute he was a poor man’s Clark Gillies… and the next minute he was Slingblade. I think people forget how important he was to the beginning of the 06-07 season… but they definitely remember his role in its demise.
Funny how his highest PIMs were while he was dancing for the stockbrokers… until he put up crazy numbers (263 PIMs in 40 games) in the KookieHookieLeague.
I have no problem rooting for the guy… but I’m also still waiting for Roberto Duran to make another comeback. :-)

Jesus would probably turn the other cheek too… but in a league where everybody walks on water I bet you couldn’t get a third rounder for the lord at the deadline.

by JPinVA on Mar 9, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

dude, he’s only 58, still a chance, lol

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 9, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

From Manos de piedra to Roberto Gordo

58, 220lbs and all coked up… unless Mickey Roarke holds a belt I don’t think he’ll be getting outta bed any time soon.

Jesus would probably turn the other cheek too… but in a league where everybody walks on water I bet you couldn’t get a third rounder for the lord at the deadline.

by JPinVA on Mar 9, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Off-ice fun in Devils land

Trying to figure out what this means. Lots of vague references to off-ice issues, or a lack of team “togetherness,” as it were:

he is unhappy at what he has witnessed off the ice in recent days. Consequently, Lemaire held a team meeting after practice at the Prudential Center….

“We probably should’ve done it a long time ago,” captain Jamie Langenbrunner said of the meeting. "For whatever reason, we wanted to believe it would just be fixed. It wasn’t for a lack of wanting to fix it or knowing that something needed to be fixed.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 9, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

the big O shut them out, we shut them out, they obviously don’t rev up for every game against every opponent, i think was the point

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 9, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice new avatar.

It’s been a while since I read an article that said so much about an unspoken topic without saying much at all. It was like, “we didn’t hang out together during the last road trip and we’re growing apart just when we should be singing around the campfire.” Or something.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 9, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

ah thanks, if i knew how to get video/animation, it’d be when lloyd decides to get the tux, and does that dumbass dance, cracks me up every time

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 9, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Get your next pair at Lemaire's

Lemaire has always reminded me of a tailor, so it’s hard for me to imagine him giving “inspiring” speeches…
“Okay boys, where gonna go in there and make sure that every inseam is not only the same length, but has the exact number of stitches on each side… and don’t let me catch you trying to use brown thread on black pants… SACRE BLEU!!!”

Jesus would probably turn the other cheek too… but in a league where everybody walks on water I bet you couldn’t get a third rounder for the lord at the deadline.

by JPinVA on Mar 9, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Ever heard a loose Lemaire presser?

I’m not being facetious — every once in a while in Minnesota, he’d give one of those free-form press conferences that opened the window into his personality and hockey mind. Man, when he’d get going like that, he was a riot and a really thought-provoking (hockey-wise) mind. His post-resignation ones in Minny were, naturally, hilarious.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 9, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

MABey this is a good example...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX0Dn6200X0

He mentions how “entertaining” Mar Andre can be “for both sides”.

Jesus would probably turn the other cheek too… but in a league where everybody walks on water I bet you couldn’t get a third rounder for the lord at the deadline.

by JPinVA on Mar 9, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

YES sir. Nice find.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 9, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

btw, full on weight/tavares feature on nhl.com from page video… hmmm…what weird timing with them being on VS tonight…

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 9, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

Gilles gets...

11 minutes tonight… 4 of which he is actually on the ice, the other 7 he’s in the box.

Jesus would probably turn the other cheek too… but in a league where everybody walks on water I bet you couldn’t get a third rounder for the lord at the deadline.

by JPinVA on Mar 9, 2010 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

Flip the numbers and you were almost on the mark!

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 9, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

A recurring topic around the Flyers is what’s wrong with Scott Hartnell — which of course is a loaded question

I lol’d

Ville Leino, the 26-year-old Finn who couldn’t make it work in Detroit, has one goal in two post-Olympic games with the Flyers. No idea how many games he’ll get (and whether tonight would be one), but it will be interesting to see if he can convert into a steal.

It looks like we won’t know until someone goes down injured.

I’m hoping for a good game and not a 2-1 snooze-fest.

"NZFlyerfan"

by ToddtheFox on Mar 9, 2010 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

Heh, I’m pissed about the result, but I suppose this one qualified as better than a snooze-fest.

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by Dominik on Mar 9, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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