Career Stats: Boy, the Islanders are young
This is something that is probably best done after (or rather before?) the season, but timing and planning has never been the way of things here -- no sense starting now.
The other day, in the official site's "something happy in every loss" style, they pointed out that Mark Streit's assist his 200th career point (91 of those and 25 goals have been in an Isles uni). Which got me in a career stats state of mind: I get immersed in the in-season figures and process, but I got curious about where different Islanders fall in terms of career games, goals, +/-, etc.?
Current Islanders career totals are after the jump. I included Andy Sutton, Brendan Witt, and three most-likely Bridgeport callups, since all featured this year. Which totals or rankings surprise you?
The Easy One: Career Games Played
Almost sad how few games Martinek has compiled at age 33. Despite an even later NHL start and younger birthday, Streit is now right behind him.
| Player | GP | G | A | Pts. | +/- | PIM |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Doug Weight | 1218 | 276 | 748 | 1024 | -54 | 958 |
| Brendan Witt | 890 | 25 | 96 | 121 | -91 | 1424 |
| Richard Park | 668 | 93 | 124 | 217 | -38 | 248 |
| Andy Sutton | 567 | 34 | 101 | 135 | -19 | 984 |
| Trent Hunter | 429 | 96 | 124 | 229 | 4 | 170 |
| Jon Sim | 418 | 70 | 55 | 125 | -32 | 284 |
| Radek Martinek | 389 | 18 | 69 | 87 | -5 | 237 |
| Mark Streit | 344 | 50 | 150 | 200 | -16 | 172 |
| Bruno Gervais | 266 | 8 | 50 | 58 | -49 | 130 |
| Freddy Meyer | 249 | 17 | 48 | 65 | -14 | 139 |
| Sean Bergenheim | 230 | 35 | 35 | 70 | -25 | 180 |
| Tim Jackman | 174 | 10 | 13 | 23 | -35 | 333 |
| Jeff Tambellini | 171 | 18 | 27 | 45 | -24 | 64 |
| Blake Comeau | 155 | 27 | 35 | 62 | -22 | 86 |
| Frans Nielsen | 149 | 21 | 45 | 66 | 6 | 24 |
| Kyle Okposo | 138 | 33 | 52 | 85 | -17 | 62 |
| Josh Bailey | 126 | 21 | 33 | 54 | -8 | 26 |
| Matt Moulson | 94 | 29 | 20 | 49 | -1 | 22 |
| Jack Hillen | 94 | 3 | 20 | 23 | -7 | 56 |
| John Tavares | 65 | 17 | 18 | 35 | -19 | 16 |
| Rob Schremp | 50 | 7 | 21 | 28 | -3 | 10 |
| Andrew MacDonald | 42 | 1 | 5 | 6 | 8 | 18 |
| Jesse Joensuu | 18 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 8 |
| Dustin Kohn | 14 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 2 |
| Matt Martin | 4 | 0 | 2 | 2 | -1 | 22 |
| Dylan Reese | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
Milestone Chasers: Career Points
No surprise which Old Man Hockey is the daddy here, and his assist total is three times as much as the next guy's total points. Meanwhile, sophomore Kyle Okposo is climbing up the list, but he has a while to catch ... Brendan Witt!
| Player | GP | G | A | Pts. | +/- | PIM |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Doug Weight | 1218 | 276 | 748 | 1024 | -54 | 958 |
| Trent Hunter | 429 | 96 | 124 | 229 | 4 | 170 |
| Richard Park | 668 | 93 | 124 | 217 | -38 | 248 |
| Mark Streit | 344 | 50 | 150 | 200 | -16 | 172 |
| Andy Sutton | 567 | 34 | 101 | 135 | -19 | 984 |
| Jon Sim | 418 | 70 | 55 | 125 | -32 | 284 |
| Brendan Witt | 890 | 25 | 96 | 121 | -91 | 1424 |
| Radek Martinek | 389 | 18 | 69 | 87 | -5 | 237 |
| Kyle Okposo | 138 | 33 | 52 | 85 | -17 | 62 |
| Sean Bergenheim | 230 | 35 | 35 | 70 | -25 | 180 |
| Frans Nielsen | 149 | 21 | 45 | 66 | 6 | 24 |
| Freddy Meyer | 249 | 17 | 48 | 65 | -14 | 139 |
| Blake Comeau | 155 | 27 | 35 | 62 | -22 | 86 |
| Bruno Gervais | 266 | 8 | 50 | 58 | -49 | 130 |
| Josh Bailey | 126 | 21 | 33 | 54 | -8 | 26 |
| Matt Moulson | 94 | 29 | 20 | 49 | -1 | 22 |
| Jeff Tambellini | 171 | 18 | 27 | 45 | -24 | 64 |
| John Tavares | 65 | 17 | 18 | 35 | -19 | 16 |
| Rob Schremp | 50 | 7 | 21 | 28 | -3 | 10 |
| Jack Hillen | 94 | 3 | 20 | 23 | -7 | 56 |
| Tim Jackman | 174 | 10 | 13 | 23 | -35 | 333 |
| Andrew MacDonald | 42 | 1 | 5 | 6 | 8 | 18 |
| Dustin Kohn | 14 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 2 |
| Jesse Joensuu | 18 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 8 |
| Matt Martin | 4 | 0 | 2 | 2 | -1 | 22 |
| Dylan Reese | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
Bread and Butter: Career Goals
Once again the pass-first old man is the leader here, followed by a guy who was practically developed (if not drafted) by the Islanders, a couple of career grinders and Garth Snow's 2008 free agent score on the blueline. The top "young" Islanders goal-scorer so far? Bergy. But Okposo and possibly Comeau are due to catch him, as is older newbie Moulson.
| Player | GP | G | A | Pts. | +/- | PIM |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Doug Weight | 1218 | 276 | 748 | 1024 | -54 | 958 |
| Trent Hunter | 429 | 96 | 124 | 229 | 4 | 170 |
| Richard Park | 668 | 93 | 124 | 217 | -38 | 248 |
| Jon Sim | 418 | 70 | 55 | 125 | -32 | 284 |
| Mark Streit | 344 | 50 | 150 | 200 | -16 | 172 |
| Sean Bergenheim | 230 | 35 | 35 | 70 | -25 | 180 |
| Andy Sutton | 567 | 34 | 101 | 135 | -19 | 984 |
| Kyle Okposo | 138 | 33 | 52 | 85 | -17 | 62 |
| Matt Moulson | 94 | 29 | 20 | 49 | -1 | 22 |
| Blake Comeau | 155 | 27 | 35 | 62 | -22 | 86 |
| Brendan Witt | 890 | 25 | 96 | 121 | -91 | 1424 |
| Frans Nielsen | 149 | 21 | 45 | 66 | 6 | 24 |
| Josh Bailey | 126 | 21 | 33 | 54 | -8 | 26 |
| Radek Martinek | 389 | 18 | 69 | 87 | -5 | 237 |
| Jeff Tambellini | 171 | 18 | 27 | 45 | -24 | 64 |
| Freddy Meyer | 249 | 17 | 48 | 65 | -14 | 139 |
| John Tavares | 65 | 17 | 18 | 35 | -19 | 16 |
| Tim Jackman | 174 | 10 | 13 | 23 | -35 | 333 |
| Bruno Gervais | 266 | 8 | 50 | 58 | -49 | 130 |
| Rob Schremp | 50 | 7 | 21 | 28 | -3 | 10 |
| Jack Hillen | 94 | 3 | 20 | 23 | -7 | 56 |
| Jesse Joensuu | 18 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 8 |
| Andrew MacDonald | 42 | 1 | 5 | 6 | 8 | 18 |
| Dustin Kohn | 14 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 2 |
| Matt Martin | 4 | 0 | 2 | 2 | -1 | 22 |
| Dylan Reese | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
The Fool's Gold: Career Plus/Minus
Now this one provides a stunning -- but well-earned -- surprise. Subject to change rapidly, of course. But MacDonald (and Nielsen's) being on the positive side for some poor teams is evidence of the real deal -- or at least, those two have shown a defensive acumen that's sharper than the average bear so far.
Meanwhile, Tavares has begun his career in a Sutton-sized hole, plus/minus-wise.
| Player | GP | G | A | Pts. | +/- | PIM |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Andrew MacDonald | 42 | 1 | 5 | 6 | 8 | 18 |
| Frans Nielsen | 149 | 21 | 45 | 66 | 6 | 24 |
| Trent Hunter | 429 | 96 | 124 | 229 | 4 | 170 |
| Jesse Joensuu | 18 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 8 |
| Dustin Kohn | 14 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 2 |
| Dylan Reese | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Matt Moulson | 94 | 29 | 20 | 49 | -1 | 22 |
| Matt Martin | 4 | 0 | 2 | 2 | -1 | 22 |
| Rob Schremp | 50 | 7 | 21 | 28 | -3 | 10 |
| Radek Martinek | 389 | 18 | 69 | 87 | -5 | 237 |
| Jack Hillen | 94 | 3 | 20 | 23 | -7 | 56 |
| Josh Bailey | 126 | 21 | 33 | 54 | -8 | 26 |
| Freddy Meyer | 249 | 17 | 48 | 65 | -14 | 139 |
| Mark Streit | 344 | 50 | 150 | 200 | -16 | 172 |
| Kyle Okposo | 138 | 33 | 52 | 85 | -17 | 62 |
| Andy Sutton | 567 | 34 | 101 | 135 | -19 | 984 |
| John Tavares | 65 | 17 | 18 | 35 | -19 | 16 |
| Blake Comeau | 155 | 27 | 35 | 62 | -22 | 86 |
| Jeff Tambellini | 171 | 18 | 27 | 45 | -24 | 64 |
| Sean Bergenheim | 230 | 35 | 35 | 70 | -25 | 180 |
| Jon Sim | 418 | 70 | 55 | 125 | -32 | 284 |
| Tim Jackman | 174 | 10 | 13 | 23 | -35 | 333 |
| Richard Park | 668 | 93 | 124 | 217 | -38 | 248 |
| Bruno Gervais | 266 | 8 | 50 | 58 | -49 | 130 |
| Doug Weight | 1218 | 276 | 748 | 1024 | -54 | 958 |
| Brendan Witt | 890 | 25 | 96 | 121 | -91 | 1424 |
By the way, Streit is currently +1 as an islander.
Finally, one more ranking, which may (Jackman) or may not (Weight) relate to pugilism:
Penalties in Minutes: Witt Bounces the Competition like an SUV
| Player | GP | G | A | Pts. | +/- | PIM |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Brendan Witt | 890 | 25 | 96 | 121 | -91 | 1424 |
| Andy Sutton | 567 | 34 | 101 | 135 | -19 | 984 |
| Doug Weight | 1218 | 276 | 748 | 1024 | -54 | 958 |
| Tim Jackman | 174 | 10 | 13 | 23 | -35 | 333 |
| Jon Sim | 418 | 70 | 55 | 125 | -32 | 284 |
| Richard Park | 668 | 93 | 124 | 217 | -38 | 248 |
| Radek Martinek | 389 | 18 | 69 | 87 | -5 | 237 |
| Sean Bergenheim | 230 | 35 | 35 | 70 | -25 | 180 |
| Mark Streit | 344 | 50 | 150 | 200 | -16 | 172 |
| Trent Hunter | 429 | 96 | 124 | 229 | 4 | 170 |
| Freddy Meyer | 249 | 17 | 48 | 65 | -14 | 139 |
| Bruno Gervais | 266 | 8 | 50 | 58 | -49 | 130 |
| Blake Comeau | 155 | 27 | 35 | 62 | -22 | 86 |
| Jeff Tambellini | 171 | 18 | 27 | 45 | -24 | 64 |
| Kyle Okposo | 138 | 33 | 52 | 85 | -17 | 62 |
| Jack Hillen | 94 | 3 | 20 | 23 | -7 | 56 |
| Josh Bailey | 126 | 21 | 33 | 54 | -8 | 26 |
| Frans Nielsen | 149 | 21 | 45 | 66 | 6 | 24 |
| Matt Moulson | 94 | 29 | 20 | 49 | -1 | 22 |
| Matt Martin | 4 | 0 | 2 | 2 | -1 | 22 |
| Andrew MacDonald | 42 | 1 | 5 | 6 | 8 | 18 |
| John Tavares | 65 | 17 | 18 | 35 | -19 | 16 |
| Rob Schremp | 50 | 7 | 21 | 28 | -3 | 10 |
| Jesse Joensuu | 18 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 8 |
| Dustin Kohn | 14 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 2 |
| Dylan Reese | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
Any errors, surprises or predictions?
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When Jon Sim is 4th in career goals right behind Rich Park….. oy.
But then again, there might be a glimmer of hope in some of the younger kids too…. The good news is it can not get a whole lot lower anyway, even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again!
Nice comparison Dom, bookmarked this.
Comeau, Comeau, Comeauuu and do the locomotion with me.
Bookmarked! Now I just hope it’s all accurate. ;)
I forget that this is useful to do from time to time simply because there’s no simple way (that I know of) to see how many points all the players had at a given moment in history.
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Poor Dougie
He probably would have been traded at the deadline last year like Guerin. I realize Weight’s been a vet leader for the team, but I’m sure he sees Guerin on the Pens for the run for the Cup last year and is a bit jealous. Hell, Guerin might have another cup run this year.
Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!
Weight is doing exactly what he signed up to do.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Mar 8, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think this is what he signed on for and is the best fit anyway. It’s easier for Guerin to ride coattails shotgun on Crosby’s wing than for Weight to log top-six minutes or be a contender’s checking center.
I remember hearing a few times over the last several years that Weight had his rental/Cup experience in 2006 and had no desire to do that again.
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my impression was that
he did NOT want to be rented out. I think he was even quoted as saying, “Rental Cup, been there, done that” or some such words. He wants his legacy to be mentoring these guys.
He has been very helpful on the PP
One opposing announcer after another commented about how they could not believe how low the Isles PP was rated after he came back. They were full of praise. Gordon and Garth are closer to the room and can best decide what his value is to the team. Can they get another veteran who will be as helpful on the PP and bond so readily with the boys? Dunno.
good post
thanks for putting that together. I am a stat guy and have watched these career stats all year, but it is nice to see them posted in one spot.
I did notice hat Moulsons stats are off, he has 49 pts, not 39,
I see that Pakr and Bergy have been around for awhile and doing little. Bergy looked poised for a good year after a strong finish last season. He better bring his A game next season or he needs to be benched, an dgive Tamby the chance to play.
I did notice hat Moulsons stats are off, he has 49 pts, not 39,
Ah-ha! Thanks. I’ll fix that.
/fires intern
//realizes intern is self
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Bergy looked poised for a good year after a strong finish last season
Bergy seems to be in an odd position. He was [reportedly] on the block at the deadline. The Islanders will probably tender him an offer of $1M (to put him in the 3rd rounder compensation level) just so they don’t lose him for nothing.
It appears that Bergy has been pretty consistent, but some folks who know better than me write that he is not. We know he tends to take bad penalties in bunches… and we have also watched him lead the horse to water… but he has trouble making him drink.
I’d love to see Bergy back next year because he easily slides up and down the LW depth chart… and hopefully will allow them flexability (with Bailey) should they wind up thin at center.
I’d like to see Bergy stick around. There always seems to be an expectation problem between both him and the club, though.
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We need to hold on to 90% of this young team and add a few middle age players (28-32 yrs old). This team has so much potential. If you looking through the stats (not listed here) over 50% of the team were selected in the 1st and 2nd round. If we can bring a few more guys to the team to lead they young pack into their 4th/5th seasons we can go somewhere.
I think the playoffs are no where in sight for us and we could used another first or second pick in the 1st round. After that pick has been established trade Park, Sim, and Bergy for a Kaberle to teach our young defense, or an equivalent for a forwards. We are past the, “hope all of our draft picks will become something” stage. We now have a bunch of talent, they just need a few years to work together and a little more veteran leadership.
over 50% of the team were selected in the 1st and 2nd round.
I suppose that’s a sign of talent, but to be fair nearly 50% of the NHL is made up of 1st and 2nd rounders.
I’d welcome more high picks (hopefully this is the final season I say that) and some strategic veteran help. But in terms of trades, the only talent the Isles have that is desirable to others is not the kind you want to part with. Park/Sim/Bergy (the former two who are UFAs anyway) is never, ever going to bring back a talented player, much less someone like Kaberle. (Three required questions for any trade dreaming: “Why do I want to part with these guys? Why would another team want them? Why would another team want to part with the guy I want?”)
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We are past the, "hope all of our draft picks will become something" stage.
On that note, the team construction headed into the summer is very different from Snow’s first two years (a topic of an upcoming post, hopefully). Where once he was signing veterans to be the featured players thanks to a lack of home-grown talent, now he’s in position to add ones that should guide/complement real home-grown talent as it grows. This is going to be an interesting summer.
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I appreciate the feedback Dominik.
As for a Park/Sim/Bergy trade, I agree Kaberle won’t be coming to the Isles as a means of them. But a “Kaberle-like” player who has been around long enough to know how to play and has experience on a playoff team (although Toronto isn’t doing too great this year, in previous years, he has been around for good playoff runs). We need to obtain a couple of good players who know what it takes to have a winning team and to lead the new guys in that direction.
I gather. Yes, some wily vets are in order, I agree. Sorry for jumping on the Kaberle thing — I’m still in post-deadline “that’s not gonna happen!” mode. His no-trade clause and palatable salary really puts him in the position where Burke needs an excellent package to get rid of him.
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Snow Storm
Good stuff Dom. What these numbers point out [to me] is that when you remove the pending UFA’s (Weight, park, Sim, Jackman, Meyer, Biron) and exiles (Witt, Sutton) this team gets younger, smaller and faster… and becomes 100% GARTH SNOW.
The last remaining remnants of Milbury are already gone, and anybody that Nolan might have suggested (except for Andy Mac) will also be scattered around the league.
The funny thing about all of this is that there is an old ESPN article about the Smyth trade where Nolan is quoted as saying that they made the same offer for Guerin, but it didn’t work out. Wow… could it be that if Guerin does come at that point, he doesn’t cry at the airport, he re-signs, the exodus doesn’t happen and instead of year 2 of a rebuild we are a consistent playoff team with better draft picks and a guy who’s had a few NHL playoff appearances at the helm.
Sorry… sometimes the whole… how many picks can we get for our top five scorers gets tiresome and I need to go off on a fantasy tangent.
Heh, fantasy tangents can be good for the soul. I’m sure Guerin doesn’t cry at the airport — but can you elaborate on your fantasy? Guerin essentially replaced Smyth that summer, no? Are you thinking they don’t let Blake go then, or … I’m just trying to play along.
Ironically, one of the small things that bummed me out that summer was letting Asham walk. People want competent toughness; he always fit the bill to me.
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Fantasia
Okay… I just wrote a three page manifesto and had to stop myself before I wasted the whole day remembering from 3/7/07 (Simon incident) through the circus tent on fire exodus of that same year.
Let’s just say that my point was, and always will be, that continuity will make the franchise stronger if the leadership is strong. I was just hoping that Snowlan was going to work out, and work together for a while.
I’d really love to know what really happened in 2008 to tear that up. In my mind I KNOW it had nothing to do with KIDS/Rebuild, and everything to do with Simon, DP… and maybe Blake.
Church Blake Sale
I will elaborate on this part of the manifesto. Blake was always a middle six grinder who made things happen on the forecheck and PK (I think we can all agree on that). But for some reason I think he was the last guy invited to his own birthday party (I have no idea why). So let’s just say he’s part Bergy and part Sim (from the current roster) .
These are the kind of guys that Nolan made into a 40 goal scorer… these are the kind of guys Snow puts on waivers, or tries to get 3rd round picks for at the deadline.
So… I don’t think Snow ever made an effort to sign Blake around Christmas when he could have signed him for a moderate raise (see Andy Sutton). Maybe some reporters blow that out of proportion, and the opportunity never existed, but you’d have had to believe at the time that Blake would have liked to have gotten a three year extension with a moderate raise.
Don’t forget that last year it was Witt who said he wasn’t a big fan of the whole Scott Gordon, “Tell me again why I’m crawling down the half boards when I know I can’t get back” system. This year, even though Flash modified the level of defensive aggressiveness in the offensive zone, Witt was EXILED.
Sim took it in the pooper last year, and you gotta think it was becasue of his mouth more than his on ice affectiveness.
Blake (see Downie situation) may not know when to keep his yap shut… How many times in practice did he skate by Snow saying, “Man, you sure were a great starter… when was that again?”
hmmmm
Leaf fans were on here literally wanting to give Blake up for a bag of ice chips. He wanted a raise commensurate with a 40 goal guy and Garth was savvy enough to know that he wouldn’t do that again so he let Toronto overpay…to their great regret. One of many wise decisions he has made.
In hindsight, it worked out for everybody but the leafs. But on 7/1/07 you can’t say you didn’t want to kick Snow in the nuts for not trying to sign him for half that much in December. I, like most Isle fans, knew that Blake wasn’t going to have a series of 40 goal seasons… but if not for the Big C, I think he would have been moderately succesful if he had remained on Long island.
Not only that, if you didn’t apprecaite Blakes work ethic then we will never see eye to eye. that guy hit the ice skating on every shift.
I feel the same way about bergy… and some people just see him as a potential second round pick…
Blake was overrated
in his eyes as well as Toronto’s. He would have had a certain value with the Isles. What his value was and what he thought it was were two different things. Bergy has a lot of potential but has never really realized it here. He may need a change of scenery and the Isles could definitely use another high value pick.
Hmm…the Blake scenario may be right (I guess we’ll never really know), but he always struck me as one who (or whose agent) overvalued himself and was going to seek what he ended up getting from ol’ JFJ. I’m just really opposed to turning a rather fluke walk-year performance (his shooting pct. that year was freakishly high compared to his career before or since) into a long-term high-dollar contract, and I’m still glad the Isles didn’t bite.
With Witt, my impression is the opposite: He wasn’t exiled, he was given every chance to stick around despite a performance that had become painfully ineffective even by Islanders blueline standards, and even when sheltered in low-risk assignments. If he weren’t Brendan Witt and appreciated for time served, I figure he’d have been waived sooner. I don’t think he was punished in anyway for talking to Logan, and the idealist in me hopes Gordon didn’t even mind it as much because he was just frank about his answers and didn’t do it anonymously.
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Maybe?
but he always struck me as one who (or whose agent) overvalued himself and was going to seek what he ended up getting from ol’ JFJ.
Going into that season he was a journeyman guy who put up good, but not great numbers in middle six roles. You might be right, but I tend to believe that before the 30 goal plateau was hit he was a little wary about hitting the UFA market and would have taken a lot less earlier.
If I remember correctly, before that year he still had the “too small” label, even though he was putting up good numbers.
[and] He was no Steve Webb, but the fans loved him as well.
BTW: Did he really “overvalue” himself if he got what he thought he could get. I’d say the Leafs overvalued him, but his agent did him right.
Semantics of "overvaluing"
BTW: Did he really "overvalue" himself if he got what he thought he could get. I’d say the Leafs overvalued him, but his agent did him right.
Well, I mean that’s what the UFA market does: It brings the right desperate, foolish or (in rare cases) wise GM out of the woodwork with the offer that changes the size of the estate in your dreams. The “journeyman guy who put up good, but not great numbers in middle six roles” bit is exactly why I was gunshy.
In a capped world, if a player of Blake’s caliber and profile signs for that much and for that term, I’m questioning whether the GM/ownership who does it has the competence to build a contending team around him. I’ve no problem with Blake taking the payday; but it begs the sanity of the decision-maker giving him that payday. In terms of putting a contending team together, that’s overvaluing.
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I completely agree. My snapshot is taken in December 2006, not July 2007. At that point if Blake’s agent said no to ~$2.3M for 3years, then Kudos to Snow. But I believe that there was never even an offer put on the table, and Newsday was speculating that he wanted 5 years. Who really knows, we can’t tap his phones unless Garth changes his name to Abdulah.
And this whole conversation is in the context of what he just did with Sutton. He has absolutely no size on the blue line, and his depth is defined by the Circle K boys (Kohn and Katic).
Do we really need another year of Bruno and Meyer trying to hold third period leads. Not that I don’t think Meyer is doing a good job, but…
Every time Chara throws a crusher on somebody he can seriously hurt them because his elbows naturally extend right in the victim’s coconut…. when meyer throws a solid hip check he chances getting called for tripping because his center mass is gonna hit some ankle.
as has been discussed here
Garth will no doubt look for D FAs this summer. We all hope that he will bring in at least one big forward and one big defenseman. Hopefully they will have as much talent as size. I wasn’t sure about moving Andy for what he got back either, but Garth needed to do what he could to maximize the impact of this all important draft. Meyer will likely not be back or, if he is back, will be further down the depth chart. Bruno is under contract. Hopefully he will be better next year.
Technically, Snow is also a Milbury holdover as well.
Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer extortion. The X makes it sounds cool.
by David Hanssen on Mar 8, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Which makes Milbury best GM evah! Imagine the clairvoyance: He didn’t sign his successor — oh no. He signed his successor’s successor! Genus.
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$39.79
Both of these guys will be on the payroll for a long time… but I don’t see them ever playing another game in the NHL, for the Islanders… so I didn’t count them in.
But the last remnants of Milbury aren’t gone. There are still a significant group of players that were brought in under Milbury – DiPi, Nielsen, Hunter, Bergenheim, Kohn, Martinek and Gervais are all guys Milburt drafted or acquired.
Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer extortion. The X makes it sounds cool.
by David Hanssen on Mar 8, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hunter and Nielsen… Damn.. I always forget those two.
Kohn isn’t going to be around long. You have to add Comeau too if you are talking about Milbury draft picks that have played under the Snow regime.
Bruno and Marty only last through their current contracts. Brutal Gervais just is not cutting the mustard, and Marty (8YRS/349 GMS… nuff said)
Bergie was on sale at the deadline… he may get another year becasue oof the RFA discount, but I don’t think Snow is a big fan.
My point being that he is clearing the cobwebs at every opportunity.
But you are correct…. why let facts get in the way of a bad blog comment
I totally disagree about Kohn. I think barring any major signings/drafting of Fowler Kohn will be one of the 5-6 pairing guys next year and is probably in Snow’s future plans. He has size everyone has been bitching we’re missing (6’2"/200, which makes him currently the tallest and heaviest defenseman in the NHL roster), is one of the best skaters in the organization and is all of 14 games into his NHL career.
He just turned 23, basically he’s a year younger than MacDonald in both age and in development. At this point last year, did any of us think MacDonald would be a full time contributor on the blueline?
The bottom line is don’t give up on him, he will be a solid contributing defenseman in the NHL.
Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer extortion. The X makes it sounds cool.
by David Hanssen on Mar 8, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Perspective
He has size everyone has been bitching we’re missing (6’2"/200, which makes him currently the tallest and heaviest defenseman in the NHL roster),
I hope I’m not the only person who thinks that’s funny. That’s a statement on how badly this team needs REAL SIZE on the blue line.
The guy didn’t put up 20 points in the AHL. I’ve only seen a handful of games at that level but I didn’t see any special “psychicality” out of him there… and none in the NHL. They need to improve top four spots to the extent were they have Hillen or Andy Mac in a 5-6 role for as long as Marty can stay healthy.
I don’t see it happening, so you’re probably correct… but that’s not a good thing.
Kohn needs another year
to see what he is capable of. He deserves a shot as does Katic. Since De Haan and Hamonic and likely anyone we draft in June will probably be at least a year away, it makes all kinds of sense to give them their shot.
Yash comes off in 2014
DP may need to retire before then if Neologizer’s sports med buds are correct.
So?
Theres nothing wrong with these guys, and none of them have jack shit to do with whichever guy happened to be GM when the teams scouts discussed things and agreed to draft them. It just doesnt matter. Not even a little.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
oops
Reply error. That was supposed to be a reply about the whole “MM era” thing (though Im sure you guys figured that out lol)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Mar 8, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions

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