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Career Stats: Boy, the Islanders are young

This is something that is probably best done after (or rather before?) the season, but timing and planning has never been the way of things here -- no sense starting now.

The other day, in the official site's "something happy in every loss" style, they pointed out that Mark Streit's assist his 200th career point (91 of those and 25 goals have been in an Isles uni). Which got me in a career stats state of mind: I get immersed in the in-season figures and process, but I got curious about where different Islanders fall in terms of career games, goals, +/-, etc.?

Current Islanders career totals are after the jump. I included Andy Sutton, Brendan Witt, and three most-likely Bridgeport callups, since all featured this year. Which totals or rankings surprise you?

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The Easy One: Career Games Played

Almost sad how few games Martinek has compiled at age 33. Despite an even later NHL start and younger birthday, Streit is now right behind him.

PlayerGPGAPts.+/-PIM
Doug Weight 1218 276 748 1024 -54 958
Brendan Witt 890 25 96 121 -91 1424
Richard Park 668 93 124 217 -38 248
Andy Sutton 567 34 101 135 -19 984
Trent Hunter 429 96 124 229 4 170
Jon Sim 418 70 55 125 -32 284
Radek Martinek 389 18 69 87 -5 237
Mark Streit 344 50 150 200 -16 172
Bruno Gervais 266 8 50 58 -49 130
Freddy Meyer 249 17 48 65 -14 139
Sean Bergenheim 230 35 35 70 -25 180
Tim Jackman 174 10 13 23 -35 333
Jeff Tambellini 171 18 27 45 -24 64
Blake Comeau 155 27 35 62 -22 86
Frans Nielsen 149 21 45 66 6 24
Kyle Okposo 138 33 52 85 -17 62
Josh Bailey 126 21 33 54 -8 26
Matt Moulson 94 29 20 49 -1 22
Jack Hillen 94 3 20 23 -7 56
John Tavares 65 17 18 35 -19 16
Rob Schremp 50 7 21 28 -3 10
Andrew MacDonald 42 1 5 6 8 18
Jesse Joensuu 18 2 2 4 3 8
Dustin Kohn 14 0 4 4 2 2
Matt Martin 4 0 2 2 -1 22
Dylan Reese 2 0 0 0 0 2

 

Milestone Chasers: Career Points

No surprise which Old Man Hockey is the daddy here, and his assist total is three times as much as the next guy's total points. Meanwhile, sophomore Kyle Okposo is climbing up the list, but he has a while to catch ... Brendan Witt!

PlayerGPGAPts.+/-PIM
Doug Weight 1218 276 748 1024 -54 958
Trent Hunter 429 96 124 229 4 170
Richard Park 668 93 124 217 -38 248
Mark Streit 344 50 150 200 -16 172
Andy Sutton 567 34 101 135 -19 984
Jon Sim 418 70 55 125 -32 284
Brendan Witt 890 25 96 121 -91 1424
Radek Martinek 389 18 69 87 -5 237
Kyle Okposo 138 33 52 85 -17 62
Sean Bergenheim 230 35 35 70 -25 180
Frans Nielsen 149 21 45 66 6 24
Freddy Meyer 249 17 48 65 -14 139
Blake Comeau 155 27 35 62 -22 86
Bruno Gervais 266 8 50 58 -49 130
Josh Bailey 126 21 33 54 -8 26
Matt Moulson 94 29 20 49 -1 22
Jeff Tambellini 171 18 27 45 -24 64
John Tavares 65 17 18 35 -19 16
Rob Schremp 50 7 21 28 -3 10
Jack Hillen 94 3 20 23 -7 56
Tim Jackman 174 10 13 23 -35 333
Andrew MacDonald 42 1 5 6 8 18
Dustin Kohn 14 0 4 4 2 2
Jesse Joensuu 18 2 2 4 3 8
Matt Martin 4 0 2 2 -1 22
Dylan Reese 2 0 0 0 0 2

 

Bread and Butter: Career Goals

Once again the pass-first old man is the leader here, followed by a guy who was practically developed (if not drafted) by the Islanders, a couple of career grinders and Garth Snow's 2008 free agent score on the blueline. The top "young" Islanders goal-scorer so far? Bergy. But Okposo and possibly Comeau are due to catch him, as is older newbie Moulson.

PlayerGPGAPts.+/-PIM
Doug Weight 1218 276 748 1024 -54 958
Trent Hunter 429 96 124 229 4 170
Richard Park 668 93 124 217 -38 248
Jon Sim 418 70 55 125 -32 284
Mark Streit 344 50 150 200 -16 172
Sean Bergenheim 230 35 35 70 -25 180
Andy Sutton 567 34 101 135 -19 984
Kyle Okposo 138 33 52 85 -17 62
Matt Moulson 94 29 20 49 -1 22
Blake Comeau 155 27 35 62 -22 86
Brendan Witt 890 25 96 121 -91 1424
Frans Nielsen 149 21 45 66 6 24
Josh Bailey 126 21 33 54 -8 26
Radek Martinek 389 18 69 87 -5 237
Jeff Tambellini 171 18 27 45 -24 64
Freddy Meyer 249 17 48 65 -14 139
John Tavares 65 17 18 35 -19 16
Tim Jackman 174 10 13 23 -35 333
Bruno Gervais 266 8 50 58 -49 130
Rob Schremp 50 7 21 28 -3 10
Jack Hillen 94 3 20 23 -7 56
Jesse Joensuu 18 2 2 4 3 8
Andrew MacDonald 42 1 5 6 8 18
Dustin Kohn 14 0 4 4 2 2
Matt Martin 4 0 2 2 -1 22
Dylan Reese 2 0 0 0 0 2

 

The Fool's Gold: Career Plus/Minus

Now this one provides a stunning -- but well-earned -- surprise. Subject to change rapidly, of course. But MacDonald (and Nielsen's) being on the positive side for some poor teams is evidence of the real deal -- or at least, those two have shown a defensive acumen that's sharper than the average bear so far.

Meanwhile, Tavares has begun his career in a Sutton-sized hole, plus/minus-wise.

PlayerGPGAPts.+/-PIM
Andrew MacDonald 42 1 5 6 8 18
Frans Nielsen 149 21 45 66 6 24
Trent Hunter 429 96 124 229 4 170
Jesse Joensuu 18 2 2 4 3 8
Dustin Kohn 14 0 4 4 2 2
Dylan Reese 2 0 0 0 0 2
Matt Moulson 94 29 20 49 -1 22
Matt Martin 4 0 2 2 -1 22
Rob Schremp 50 7 21 28 -3 10
Radek Martinek 389 18 69 87 -5 237
Jack Hillen 94 3 20 23 -7 56
Josh Bailey 126 21 33 54 -8 26
Freddy Meyer 249 17 48 65 -14 139
Mark Streit 344 50 150 200 -16 172
Kyle Okposo 138 33 52 85 -17 62
Andy Sutton 567 34 101 135 -19 984
John Tavares 65 17 18 35 -19 16
Blake Comeau 155 27 35 62 -22 86
Jeff Tambellini 171 18 27 45 -24 64
Sean Bergenheim 230 35 35 70 -25 180
Jon Sim 418 70 55 125 -32 284
Tim Jackman 174 10 13 23 -35 333
Richard Park 668 93 124 217 -38 248
Bruno Gervais 266 8 50 58 -49 130
Doug Weight 1218 276 748 1024 -54 958
Brendan Witt 890 25 96 121 -91 1424

 

By the way, Streit is currently +1 as an islander.

Finally, one more ranking, which may (Jackman) or may not (Weight) relate to pugilism:

Penalties in Minutes: Witt Bounces the Competition like an SUV

PlayerGPGAPts.+/-PIM
Brendan Witt 890 25 96 121 -91 1424
Andy Sutton 567 34 101 135 -19 984
Doug Weight 1218 276 748 1024 -54 958
Tim Jackman 174 10 13 23 -35 333
Jon Sim 418 70 55 125 -32 284
Richard Park 668 93 124 217 -38 248
Radek Martinek 389 18 69 87 -5 237
Sean Bergenheim 230 35 35 70 -25 180
Mark Streit 344 50 150 200 -16 172
Trent Hunter 429 96 124 229 4 170
Freddy Meyer 249 17 48 65 -14 139
Bruno Gervais 266 8 50 58 -49 130
Blake Comeau 155 27 35 62 -22 86
Jeff Tambellini 171 18 27 45 -24 64
Kyle Okposo 138 33 52 85 -17 62
Jack Hillen 94 3 20 23 -7 56
Josh Bailey 126 21 33 54 -8 26
Frans Nielsen 149 21 45 66 6 24
Matt Moulson 94 29 20 49 -1 22
Matt Martin 4 0 2 2 -1 22
Andrew MacDonald 42 1 5 6 8 18
John Tavares 65 17 18 35 -19 16
Rob Schremp 50 7 21 28 -3 10
Jesse Joensuu 18 2 2 4 3 8
Dustin Kohn 14 0 4 4 2 2
Dylan Reese 2 0 0 0 0 2

 

Any errors, surprises or predictions?

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When Jon Sim is 4th in career goals right behind Rich Park….. oy.

But then again, there might be a glimmer of hope in some of the younger kids too…. The good news is it can not get a whole lot lower anyway, even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again!

Nice comparison Dom, bookmarked this.

Comeau, Comeau, Comeauuu and do the locomotion with me.

by albeezle on Mar 8, 2010 6:49 AM EST reply actions  

Bookmarked! Now I just hope it’s all accurate. ;)

I forget that this is useful to do from time to time simply because there’s no simple way (that I know of) to see how many points all the players had at a given moment in history.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 8, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Poor Dougie

He probably would have been traded at the deadline last year like Guerin. I realize Weight’s been a vet leader for the team, but I’m sure he sees Guerin on the Pens for the run for the Cup last year and is a bit jealous. Hell, Guerin might have another cup run this year.

Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!

by Mark D on Mar 8, 2010 7:22 AM EST reply actions  

Weight is doing exactly what he signed up to do.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Mar 8, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think this is what he signed on for and is the best fit anyway. It’s easier for Guerin to ride coattails shotgun on Crosby’s wing than for Weight to log top-six minutes or be a contender’s checking center.

I remember hearing a few times over the last several years that Weight had his rental/Cup experience in 2006 and had no desire to do that again.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 8, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed, when he re-upped in the offseason he knew what he was getting into. But if he wasn’t hurt last season he still might have been traded, made one last cup run and off into the sunset.

Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!

by Mark D on Mar 8, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

my impression was that

he did NOT want to be rented out. I think he was even quoted as saying, “Rental Cup, been there, done that” or some such words. He wants his legacy to be mentoring these guys.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 8, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Weight vs Mass

Do you think Dougy has another NHL year left in him? If so, do we have a prayer?

by JPinVA on Mar 8, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He has been very helpful on the PP

One opposing announcer after another commented about how they could not believe how low the Isles PP was rated after he came back. They were full of praise. Gordon and Garth are closer to the room and can best decide what his value is to the team. Can they get another veteran who will be as helpful on the PP and bond so readily with the boys? Dunno.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 8, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I really think this is it, the Injuries have really been racking up on him lately.

Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!

by Mark D on Mar 9, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

good post

thanks for putting that together. I am a stat guy and have watched these career stats all year, but it is nice to see them posted in one spot.

I did notice hat Moulsons stats are off, he has 49 pts, not 39,

I see that Pakr and Bergy have been around for awhile and doing little. Bergy looked poised for a good year after a strong finish last season. He better bring his A game next season or he needs to be benched, an dgive Tamby the chance to play.

by Rickfansince76 on Mar 8, 2010 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

I did notice hat Moulsons stats are off, he has 49 pts, not 39,

Ah-ha! Thanks. I’ll fix that.

/fires intern
//realizes intern is self

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 8, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Bergy looked poised for a good year after a strong finish last season

Bergy seems to be in an odd position. He was [reportedly] on the block at the deadline. The Islanders will probably tender him an offer of $1M (to put him in the 3rd rounder compensation level) just so they don’t lose him for nothing.
It appears that Bergy has been pretty consistent, but some folks who know better than me write that he is not. We know he tends to take bad penalties in bunches… and we have also watched him lead the horse to water… but he has trouble making him drink.
I’d love to see Bergy back next year because he easily slides up and down the LW depth chart… and hopefully will allow them flexability (with Bailey) should they wind up thin at center.

by JPinVA on Mar 8, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d like to see Bergy stick around. There always seems to be an expectation problem between both him and the club, though.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 8, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

We need to hold on to 90% of this young team and add a few middle age players (28-32 yrs old). This team has so much potential. If you looking through the stats (not listed here) over 50% of the team were selected in the 1st and 2nd round. If we can bring a few more guys to the team to lead they young pack into their 4th/5th seasons we can go somewhere.

I think the playoffs are no where in sight for us and we could used another first or second pick in the 1st round. After that pick has been established trade Park, Sim, and Bergy for a Kaberle to teach our young defense, or an equivalent for a forwards. We are past the, “hope all of our draft picks will become something” stage. We now have a bunch of talent, they just need a few years to work together and a little more veteran leadership.

by kcaccavale on Mar 8, 2010 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

over 50% of the team were selected in the 1st and 2nd round.

I suppose that’s a sign of talent, but to be fair nearly 50% of the NHL is made up of 1st and 2nd rounders.

I’d welcome more high picks (hopefully this is the final season I say that) and some strategic veteran help. But in terms of trades, the only talent the Isles have that is desirable to others is not the kind you want to part with. Park/Sim/Bergy (the former two who are UFAs anyway) is never, ever going to bring back a talented player, much less someone like Kaberle. (Three required questions for any trade dreaming: “Why do I want to part with these guys? Why would another team want them? Why would another team want to part with the guy I want?”)

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 8, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

We are past the, "hope all of our draft picks will become something" stage.

On that note, the team construction headed into the summer is very different from Snow’s first two years (a topic of an upcoming post, hopefully). Where once he was signing veterans to be the featured players thanks to a lack of home-grown talent, now he’s in position to add ones that should guide/complement real home-grown talent as it grows. This is going to be an interesting summer.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 8, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate the feedback Dominik.

As for a Park/Sim/Bergy trade, I agree Kaberle won’t be coming to the Isles as a means of them. But a “Kaberle-like” player who has been around long enough to know how to play and has experience on a playoff team (although Toronto isn’t doing too great this year, in previous years, he has been around for good playoff runs). We need to obtain a couple of good players who know what it takes to have a winning team and to lead the new guys in that direction.

by kcaccavale on Mar 8, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

I gather. Yes, some wily vets are in order, I agree. Sorry for jumping on the Kaberle thing — I’m still in post-deadline “that’s not gonna happen!” mode. His no-trade clause and palatable salary really puts him in the position where Burke needs an excellent package to get rid of him.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 8, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

wow, all of 4 guys are career +’s impressive

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 8, 2010 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Snow Storm

Good stuff Dom. What these numbers point out [to me] is that when you remove the pending UFA’s (Weight, park, Sim, Jackman, Meyer, Biron) and exiles (Witt, Sutton) this team gets younger, smaller and faster… and becomes 100% GARTH SNOW.
The last remaining remnants of Milbury are already gone, and anybody that Nolan might have suggested (except for Andy Mac) will also be scattered around the league.
The funny thing about all of this is that there is an old ESPN article about the Smyth trade where Nolan is quoted as saying that they made the same offer for Guerin, but it didn’t work out. Wow… could it be that if Guerin does come at that point, he doesn’t cry at the airport, he re-signs, the exodus doesn’t happen and instead of year 2 of a rebuild we are a consistent playoff team with better draft picks and a guy who’s had a few NHL playoff appearances at the helm.
Sorry… sometimes the whole… how many picks can we get for our top five scorers gets tiresome and I need to go off on a fantasy tangent.

by JPinVA on Mar 8, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

Heh, fantasy tangents can be good for the soul. I’m sure Guerin doesn’t cry at the airport — but can you elaborate on your fantasy? Guerin essentially replaced Smyth that summer, no? Are you thinking they don’t let Blake go then, or … I’m just trying to play along.

Ironically, one of the small things that bummed me out that summer was letting Asham walk. People want competent toughness; he always fit the bill to me.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 8, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Fantasia

Okay… I just wrote a three page manifesto and had to stop myself before I wasted the whole day remembering from 3/7/07 (Simon incident) through the circus tent on fire exodus of that same year.
Let’s just say that my point was, and always will be, that continuity will make the franchise stronger if the leadership is strong. I was just hoping that Snowlan was going to work out, and work together for a while.
I’d really love to know what really happened in 2008 to tear that up. In my mind I KNOW it had nothing to do with KIDS/Rebuild, and everything to do with Simon, DP… and maybe Blake.

by JPinVA on Mar 8, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Church Blake Sale

I will elaborate on this part of the manifesto. Blake was always a middle six grinder who made things happen on the forecheck and PK (I think we can all agree on that). But for some reason I think he was the last guy invited to his own birthday party (I have no idea why). So let’s just say he’s part Bergy and part Sim (from the current roster) .
These are the kind of guys that Nolan made into a 40 goal scorer… these are the kind of guys Snow puts on waivers, or tries to get 3rd round picks for at the deadline.
So… I don’t think Snow ever made an effort to sign Blake around Christmas when he could have signed him for a moderate raise (see Andy Sutton). Maybe some reporters blow that out of proportion, and the opportunity never existed, but you’d have had to believe at the time that Blake would have liked to have gotten a three year extension with a moderate raise.
Don’t forget that last year it was Witt who said he wasn’t a big fan of the whole Scott Gordon, “Tell me again why I’m crawling down the half boards when I know I can’t get back” system. This year, even though Flash modified the level of defensive aggressiveness in the offensive zone, Witt was EXILED.
Sim took it in the pooper last year, and you gotta think it was becasue of his mouth more than his on ice affectiveness.
Blake (see Downie situation) may not know when to keep his yap shut… How many times in practice did he skate by Snow saying, “Man, you sure were a great starter… when was that again?”

by JPinVA on Mar 8, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmmm

Leaf fans were on here literally wanting to give Blake up for a bag of ice chips. He wanted a raise commensurate with a 40 goal guy and Garth was savvy enough to know that he wouldn’t do that again so he let Toronto overpay…to their great regret. One of many wise decisions he has made.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 8, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

In hindsight, it worked out for everybody but the leafs. But on 7/1/07 you can’t say you didn’t want to kick Snow in the nuts for not trying to sign him for half that much in December. I, like most Isle fans, knew that Blake wasn’t going to have a series of 40 goal seasons… but if not for the Big C, I think he would have been moderately succesful if he had remained on Long island.
Not only that, if you didn’t apprecaite Blakes work ethic then we will never see eye to eye. that guy hit the ice skating on every shift.
I feel the same way about bergy… and some people just see him as a potential second round pick…

by JPinVA on Mar 8, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Blake was overrated

in his eyes as well as Toronto’s. He would have had a certain value with the Isles. What his value was and what he thought it was were two different things. Bergy has a lot of potential but has never really realized it here. He may need a change of scenery and the Isles could definitely use another high value pick.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 8, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm…the Blake scenario may be right (I guess we’ll never really know), but he always struck me as one who (or whose agent) overvalued himself and was going to seek what he ended up getting from ol’ JFJ. I’m just really opposed to turning a rather fluke walk-year performance (his shooting pct. that year was freakishly high compared to his career before or since) into a long-term high-dollar contract, and I’m still glad the Isles didn’t bite.

With Witt, my impression is the opposite: He wasn’t exiled, he was given every chance to stick around despite a performance that had become painfully ineffective even by Islanders blueline standards, and even when sheltered in low-risk assignments. If he weren’t Brendan Witt and appreciated for time served, I figure he’d have been waived sooner. I don’t think he was punished in anyway for talking to Logan, and the idealist in me hopes Gordon didn’t even mind it as much because he was just frank about his answers and didn’t do it anonymously.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 8, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe?
but he always struck me as one who (or whose agent) overvalued himself and was going to seek what he ended up getting from ol’ JFJ.

Going into that season he was a journeyman guy who put up good, but not great numbers in middle six roles. You might be right, but I tend to believe that before the 30 goal plateau was hit he was a little wary about hitting the UFA market and would have taken a lot less earlier.
If I remember correctly, before that year he still had the “too small” label, even though he was putting up good numbers.
[and] He was no Steve Webb, but the fans loved him as well.
BTW: Did he really “overvalue” himself if he got what he thought he could get. I’d say the Leafs overvalued him, but his agent did him right.

by JPinVA on Mar 8, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Semantics of "overvaluing"
BTW: Did he really "overvalue" himself if he got what he thought he could get. I’d say the Leafs overvalued him, but his agent did him right.

Well, I mean that’s what the UFA market does: It brings the right desperate, foolish or (in rare cases) wise GM out of the woodwork with the offer that changes the size of the estate in your dreams. The “journeyman guy who put up good, but not great numbers in middle six roles” bit is exactly why I was gunshy.

In a capped world, if a player of Blake’s caliber and profile signs for that much and for that term, I’m questioning whether the GM/ownership who does it has the competence to build a contending team around him. I’ve no problem with Blake taking the payday; but it begs the sanity of the decision-maker giving him that payday. In terms of putting a contending team together, that’s overvaluing.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 8, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree. My snapshot is taken in December 2006, not July 2007. At that point if Blake’s agent said no to ~$2.3M for 3years, then Kudos to Snow. But I believe that there was never even an offer put on the table, and Newsday was speculating that he wanted 5 years. Who really knows, we can’t tap his phones unless Garth changes his name to Abdulah.
And this whole conversation is in the context of what he just did with Sutton. He has absolutely no size on the blue line, and his depth is defined by the Circle K boys (Kohn and Katic).
Do we really need another year of Bruno and Meyer trying to hold third period leads. Not that I don’t think Meyer is doing a good job, but…
Every time Chara throws a crusher on somebody he can seriously hurt them because his elbows naturally extend right in the victim’s coconut…. when meyer throws a solid hip check he chances getting called for tripping because his center mass is gonna hit some ankle.

by JPinVA on Mar 8, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

as has been discussed here

Garth will no doubt look for D FAs this summer. We all hope that he will bring in at least one big forward and one big defenseman. Hopefully they will have as much talent as size. I wasn’t sure about moving Andy for what he got back either, but Garth needed to do what he could to maximize the impact of this all important draft. Meyer will likely not be back or, if he is back, will be further down the depth chart. Bruno is under contract. Hopefully he will be better next year.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 8, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

we still have some Milbury holdovers

39 39 39 39 39 39 sorry a little spasm on the keyboard.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 8, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Technically, Snow is also a Milbury holdover as well.

Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer extortion. The X makes it sounds cool.

by David Hanssen on Mar 8, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Which makes Milbury best GM evah! Imagine the clairvoyance: He didn’t sign his successor — oh no. He signed his successor’s successor! Genus.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 8, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t Wang also be considered a Milbury holdover

by neologizer on Mar 8, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

well Garth has 12 years now to hone Ricky’s GM skills

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 8, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

$39.79

Both of these guys will be on the payroll for a long time… but I don’t see them ever playing another game in the NHL, for the Islanders… so I didn’t count them in.

by JPinVA on Mar 8, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

But the last remnants of Milbury aren’t gone. There are still a significant group of players that were brought in under Milbury – DiPi, Nielsen, Hunter, Bergenheim, Kohn, Martinek and Gervais are all guys Milburt drafted or acquired.

Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer extortion. The X makes it sounds cool.

by David Hanssen on Mar 8, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Hunter and Nielsen… Damn.. I always forget those two.
Kohn isn’t going to be around long. You have to add Comeau too if you are talking about Milbury draft picks that have played under the Snow regime.
Bruno and Marty only last through their current contracts. Brutal Gervais just is not cutting the mustard, and Marty (8YRS/349 GMS… nuff said)
Bergie was on sale at the deadline… he may get another year becasue oof the RFA discount, but I don’t think Snow is a big fan.
My point being that he is clearing the cobwebs at every opportunity.
But you are correct…. why let facts get in the way of a bad blog comment

by JPinVA on Mar 8, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally disagree about Kohn. I think barring any major signings/drafting of Fowler Kohn will be one of the 5-6 pairing guys next year and is probably in Snow’s future plans. He has size everyone has been bitching we’re missing (6’2"/200, which makes him currently the tallest and heaviest defenseman in the NHL roster), is one of the best skaters in the organization and is all of 14 games into his NHL career.

He just turned 23, basically he’s a year younger than MacDonald in both age and in development. At this point last year, did any of us think MacDonald would be a full time contributor on the blueline?

The bottom line is don’t give up on him, he will be a solid contributing defenseman in the NHL.

Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer extortion. The X makes it sounds cool.

by David Hanssen on Mar 8, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Perspective
He has size everyone has been bitching we’re missing (6’2"/200, which makes him currently the tallest and heaviest defenseman in the NHL roster),

I hope I’m not the only person who thinks that’s funny. That’s a statement on how badly this team needs REAL SIZE on the blue line.
The guy didn’t put up 20 points in the AHL. I’ve only seen a handful of games at that level but I didn’t see any special “psychicality” out of him there… and none in the NHL. They need to improve top four spots to the extent were they have Hillen or Andy Mac in a 5-6 role for as long as Marty can stay healthy.
I don’t see it happening, so you’re probably correct… but that’s not a good thing.

by JPinVA on Mar 8, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Kohn needs another year

to see what he is capable of. He deserves a shot as does Katic. Since De Haan and Hamonic and likely anyone we draft in June will probably be at least a year away, it makes all kinds of sense to give them their shot.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 8, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yash comes off in 2014

DP may need to retire before then if Neologizer’s sports med buds are correct.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 8, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

So?

Theres nothing wrong with these guys, and none of them have jack shit to do with whichever guy happened to be GM when the teams scouts discussed things and agreed to draft them. It just doesnt matter. Not even a little.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Mar 8, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

oops

Reply error. That was supposed to be a reply about the whole “MM era” thing (though Im sure you guys figured that out lol)

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Mar 8, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.

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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.

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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.

A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.

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