Islanders Bits: Arbour radio; Petrov prospects; Gordon ticked; Comeau video
by Dominik on Mar 7, 2010 3:41 PM EST
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PrintA sampling of Islanders fodder for a Sunday [updated/modified with a photo, just because I like this photo]...
... A nice New York Hockey Talk is lined up by Rob Kowal tonight at 9 p.m. on WGBB 1240, with Al Arbour and Kyle Okposo among the guests. Brendan Shanahan, too (okay, so he was a Ranger/Devil, but he's always good for a quote and a yarn).
... I know we like to parse Scott Gordon's post-game comments, even when he doesn't often provide much detail for us to chew on. But his comments after the loss to the Bruins were a pretty apt encapsulation of the state of the team. After the jump is some of those Gordon quotes plus more in video, as well as a prospect rating link (including Kiril Petrov), and video of the Michael Ryder hit on Comeau (it wasn't in the NHL clips):
- "The [Bruins were] playing with urgency, and we didn't match it. ... We didn't finish a hit, I don't think, in the first period, and that was addressed after the first." Said Okposo and Blake Comeau came out hitting in the 2nd.
- Gordon called the play the last two games disappointing, crediting both losses to mental mistakes: The Isles played (even in Atlanta) "with energy," but are making mental mistakes with turnovers, poor hits, poor changes.
- "I'm tired of it, it's gonna stop, and I've addressed it with the team." That said, he did note the thin defense excuse as "a huge disadvantage."
It's a thin line between expecting playoff-caliber performance of your team while also acknowledging that the team is hardly playing with a full deck. I'm fine with that in Rebuild: Year Two, but that's why this summer is so important: The entire club (including Garth Snow and Charles Wang) better treat 2010-11 as a year where short-deck excuses no longer apply.
Scott Gordon Post-Game
Michael Ryder's hit on Blake Comeau
It was a penalty -- one the Islanders couldn't take advantage of -- but nothing more than that, in my view. Thankfully no damage done.
Prospects
Finally, here's a take on some of the Islanders top prospects from The Pipeline Show, a blog and radio show that focuses on NHL prospects. We haven't talked about Kiril Petrov here much lately (sort of waiting for updates, no?), but they of course call him the top Isles forward prospect, and they cite his post-WJC ice time comments as a sign he should be headed to these shores for 2010-11. Let's hope so, but when dealing with Russian prospects in this transfer agreement-deprived era, I'll believe it when I see it.
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That's all for now. As a fan, I don't have much trouble switching gears depending on the reality of the situation. In this case, with 17 games left, I'm not only focused on the progress of the young players, I'm also keenly interested in how the locker room and the coaches handle this "desperate" position in the standings, as everyone inevitably transitions from distant playoff hope to resignation about another high draft pick.
While there is a segment of fans who just want as high a 2010 draft pick as possible, the fact is the path to that reality will include a lot of disappointed players and big player-management challenges for the coach: "Try your hardest, but I know you all aren't collectively that good, and the important thing for this franchise is what comes after some of you are gone," is sort of a hard message to manage, ya' know?
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Several ways to look at this
Petrov will be an Islander…only a question of when. If this team continues in a funk, Toronto may even catch us and we will be #2 overall with an outside shot at #1. There are arguments for simply picking. If we can get Hall, we pair him up with his old Spitfire linemate and put Petrov at RW. If we are in position to get Seguin, we make him first line C between JT and Kyle, move Matt back to 2nd line LW with Josh and Kirill. I don’t see Josh and Seguin on the same line as they are both playmakers. In either of these scenarios, we would use three of our four second and third rounders for defensive prospects.
If, however, Philly and Anaheim sink low enough and Anaheim wants Seguin for its second line bad enough, it might be a better move to trade down and trade up. Our objects would be Nino Niederreiter and Brandon Gormley. Adding Nino to the second line would give us a very talented and physical second line. Gormley would immediately become our franchise defenseman of the future. He is the prototypical Snow-Gordon defenseman. We need to add at least one elite quality player on offense and defense and this is the way to do it. Assuming we need more assets to do it, Sean Bergenheim might be part of the answer. If the rumor about Chicago wanting to include him in a trade is true, we might convince them to part with one of their two seconds for him. This would probably make it easier for them to move Versteeg as they are rumored to want to do.
Here’s Gormley’s NHL profile:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=518609#&navid=nhl-search
and Nino’s:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=514497#&navid=nhl-search
Personality-wise, Brandon is Abbott and Nino is Costello. They’d make a great pair.
I think that might end up as the dream scenario for th Isles. If either of those scenarios work out like that we will have another future star center or a bigger winger that will be with his country man in Streit that he proabably looks up to in Nino and his personality should fit perfectly on this team. We will also get a big defensmen that we desperately that we can add to our future cornor stone defensmen (Ness, de Haan, Hamonic, Macdonald). It might be nice to get another high scoring foward but a player like that will always want a big payday when there rookie contract expires so i’d prefer having 2 guys in the 3-4 million range that are both very effective than 1 guy getting 6 million to avoid a Blackhawk like mess with the cap. Remeber Okposo and Bailey’s contract make them RFA’s after next year and Scremp and Bergenhiem are RFA’s this year. Lets not forget Tavares’ and Nielsen’s contract expire after the 2012 season. I think that we can compete for the playoffs next year for the entire season with a healthy DiPi and keep progressing after that and these guys will want their money. So to prepare for this I think getting a lot of quality guys in the 3-5 million range as our bulk of salary will be better than in 4 or 5 guys getting 5-7 million. We don’t want to be the Rangers now do we.
If neologizer's sports med friends are correct
stick a fork in DP. Only question is how long it will take him and the Isles to resolve that and have him head off to his next career opp as a color man. Hopefully Mikko heals well and is ready to man the net when Roly’s deal ends.
With the cap room we already have and the added cap room from Yash’s buyout gone and possibly DP retiring, we should be in a much better place than, say, the Hawks are now regardless of who we draft.
I think the problem with trading down is that things would have to work out perfectly for the players we traded down to get to still be available, especially if the intended targets are Gormley and Niederetter. I see Gormley as a top five pick, I don’t think much seperates him and Fowler. My concern is size; he have a lot of small puck moving defensemen in our system. I don’t have it in front of me but I think he is about 6-1, 180lbs. I realize he is only 17 and can still grow….I also see Nino going pretty highly. He has consistently risen in the ISS rankings this year.
I just read those articles you linked. I was off on Gormley’s size, they have him listed at 6’3 187. Thats pretty good for a 17 year old. Again though, I think it is wishfull thinking to think we could trade down and get Gormley; in fact, we might be lucky to get him with where we land naturally in the draft.
Next season
I’m curious — how do we expect the defense corp to improve next season? It seems to me that most of the Isles defensive prospects are not likely to be NHL ready next year.
Andy Mac has been a nice addition this season, but the rest of the clowns parading along the blue line (Streit excepted, of course) right now are replacement-level at best. Some are downright awful (I’m looking at you, Bruno) and have no place in this league.
So although it’s not unreasonable to think that the forwards should see some growth next year — how does the D improve? Very difficult to rely on FA additions.
Simple: Radek Martinek!
No seriously, Martinek should help to some degree, although I’m sure return from knee surgery will be rocky and I’m sure he’ll … miss games. More importantly, I’m hoping Snow does what it takes (i.e. overpay) for at least one NHL free agent who instantly knocks everyone but Streit (and possibly MacD or Hillen, depending on development) down the depth chart. Volchenkov is obviously my own (pipe) dream, but there are other FA’s who would be upgrades, as well as some RFAs whose teams might need to dump rather than give them a raise that worsens their cap squeeze.
I hope that Hamonic or De Haan might be ready for limited NHL exposure by the end of next season, but man I hope Snow doesn’t count on anything like that. My fear is he repeats last May and claims he likes where the blueline is at.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
first, our target season is probably 2012-13
Maybe next year we take a more serious run at a playoff spot. Volcenkov is likely gone from Ottawa and we might be one of the few teams that can afford him, so I think we may have a shot. I don’t think it is an absolute pipe dream. As far as RFAs, Stuart might be one to look at. Not sure if Boston will be able to keep him.
Isles really needed a solid dman last summer… and with the gain of Hillen and MacDonald as (IMO) legit Dmen and the loss of Sutton and 99% sure Witt as well, they STILL need a solid dman this summer. But this time, one with size and a very defensive mind is IMO of the utmost importance.
GOD I hope Petrov is in the Bridge next year. Hey- do any of you know how much English Anton Klementyev knows? Kirill dosnt know any English as far as I can tell… if Klementyev does, I suspect that he will play where Petrov plays- just to help him out.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 7, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
My biggest beef with Snow last summer was blueline contentment.
With Klementyev’s English, I don’t know anything other than I read that it’s improving, so that’s a very good point. I sure hope Kiril is ready to pay dues in the AHL without going Nikita on us.
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I think we will see some prospects on the team next year. If we get Fowler I think he should be on the team next year but if not I think Haan or Harmonic could be on the team but de Haan will have had to bulk up in time and that might not have happened. A d-line of Striet, Macdonald, Hillen, Kohn (I think the NHL experience this year will help him next year I have been impressed with his minutes this year), UFA, and D-prospect/Early draft pick is possible and would be better than what we have now
Wow
Can’t comprehend how I forgot about Martinek and that does make our D a lot better. And I would go crazy if we got the A-Train. We could use a mobility upgrade of Sutton that can hit like him, just hope Tavares won’t mind from that hit he took from him early in the year.
I'd prefer Gormley
but, in any event, it is safer to assume a defensive prospect is a year away. If he blows Gordon away and makes the team, excellent. But I am sure that Garth and Gordon aren’t planning on that for next year.
this was my point a few days ago..
getting a second round pick for Sutton isn’t such a bad thing when you have depth at the position. We are 3 or4 years away from “NHL depth” on D and signing Andy for a moderate amount would have helped us get to the next milestone on the big picture timeline.
Streit (maybe the only 80 game/20+ min NHL D on the roster right now)
Martinek (Is nothing more than a question mark at best next year)
Hillen (He was playing great, but he’s undersized with no protection. the guy gets slammed every other game. Unless he’s made of rubber, how long is he going to be effective. then add the Ellis Valentine effect)
MacDonald (A Foot injury for an athlete that has to cram his foot into a skate every night… add to the questions that we’ll wait to be answered)
Bruno (Better with a spatula than a hockey stick… but is getting solid minutes on this team… that speaks VOLUMES)
Kohn (If he comes out of camp in a top four role we might be in real trouble early)
Witt (Love the guy, but is he going to be more effective in 2010-11… love to see it, but doubt it)
Katic (He’s not that affective in the AHL, why would he suddenly be affective in the NHL)
Hamonic (My point a few days ago is that Snow’s MO is to rush prospects… I hope it doesn’t work that way with Hamonic)
DeHaan (Did they expect this kid to go on a miracle grow diet? I’m thinking Hillen, only smaller)
Donovan(?)
Niemi(?)
They will need 1-2 D FAs this summer
and I would love for one of them to be named Volcenkov. Katic is worth a look next season and Kohn a more serious look. Niemi had a good pre-season look this season. He might be somebody to move up to B’port and see some games. Donovan and Kessel are both in college I think. De Haan’s and Hamonic’s injuries probably preclude them getting anything more than a late season look next year.
Is giving Mac Staal an offer sheet an option here. Any better way to hurt your rival then to take their best defensmen who is only in his early 20’s but I don’t know if he has been re-signed yet.
Dangerous precedent
I’m not that interested in Staal, but more importantly I’d never get into an RFA war with the Rangers (“Don’t get into a land war in Asia…don’t invade Russia in winter…”). They have the resources to hurt us more than we could hurt them.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
("Don’t get into a land war in Asia…don’t invade Russia in winter…")
Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
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by David Hanssen on Mar 7, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’d never get into an RFA war with the Rangers
I dont think Charles would allow it, actually.
They have the resources to hurt us more than we could hurt them.
The only thing we have over them is cap space. But that will not last forever.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 7, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly with Dolan and Sather running that team...
I actually think the one leg up we will always have on the Rangers will be cap space, those two seem to always go after the big marquee free agent that eats up a spot on the roster and cap space.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Mar 8, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
What would you think of someone like Wisniewski?
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by David Hanssen on Mar 7, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
He's an RFA
we’d owe Anaheim some draft picks. If I was going that route, I’d try to trade for Sbisa.
He hasn’t been resigned yet. But just a practical question, will they have the cap space to resign him? They will also have to resign Girardi and have roughly 11.5 Mil tied up in Rozsival and Redden alone.
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by David Hanssen on Mar 7, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if they’re finally going to swallow a pill on Redden or Rozsival. Surely even Sather realizes he needs to fix it and also keep Staal. (Sorry about calling you Shirley.)
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
Looks like I chose the wrong day to quit sniffing glue…
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by David Hanssen on Mar 7, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Thing is how?
No one’s going to want Redden at all and no one will want Rozsival at his salary and cap hit. Putting them through waivers and sending them to the AHL seems unlikely. That may be the only option for Redden though…other than just keeping him on the roster. Rosival MIGHT be moved for a minor pick.
he’s got an impressive history of making bad contracts vanish though BC, it’s really pretty amazing what he’s been able to pull off at times
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Exactly. I’d say AHL/buyout is the only way, but who knows.
STILL ticked Gainey let him off the hook on the Gomez deal. GMs who blow the market should be made to stew in the filth they created.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
I think if he could have found a way to make Redden's contract vanish
other than the AHL, he would have done it by now. Rosival should be easier. Muir, I think suggested a trade of Rosival and a pick for Campbell that might help Chicago cap-wise.
In writing this from section 66 at MSG ( friend asked me to go to the buffalo game with him) — and I have to say, it’s been a long time since I’ve been to a game here but I’ve heard the potvin chant at least ten times, I like to think of it as a measure of respect. I thought it was worth mentioning from the belly of the beast.
Claude LaPointe didn't make as good a pun, sadly.
by LaChance at Glory on Mar 7, 2010 8:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Haha, yes, thanks very much for sending the telegram from the beast.
Ten times, huh? I like to also take it as a sign there’s not much else to cheer about there.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
had some fun with a booshirt fan on Denis' legends video site
he kept insisting that Bobby O. was a better defenseman. I said that booshirt fans are my best argument that Denis was better. That and 4 rings v 1 ring. Bobby O and his Bruins were just as bitter rivals to the booshirts as we are and the thing is…booshirt fans don’t sing about him.
They just cant get over him lol.
There has never been a Ranger player that hit our fanbase to the core like that- not one.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 7, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well, there also hasn’t been a Rag to practically end an Isles career the way Potvin did to Nilsson. Any Rag in particular you can’t stand TMC? I personally enjoyed hating on Joey Kocur.
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by David Hanssen on Mar 7, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
My favorite Rag memory is probably when they put Cairns on waivers and we picked him up so he could beat them up for the next decade lol. I loved it. ;)
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 7, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
If we’re doing Rags memories, then I would have to go with Webb’s battle with the heavily medicated Theo Fleury.
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by David Hanssen on Mar 7, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
NICCCCCCCE
Ah, Theo. I really like the guy, but theres no arguing that he was batshit crazy when he was a Ranger.
When Theo did his book signing I went up to him, flashed the logo and told him that there are even Isles fans who love him lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 7, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, while I might not have liked Theo I definitely respected him.
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by David Hanssen on Mar 7, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
When the rags held training camp up in Vermont in like 2001 I ran into a drunk and profusely sweating Fleury flanked by 18 year old girls outside the danceclub known for catering to the townies, it was too perfect
Claude LaPointe didn't make as good a pun, sadly.
by LaChance at Glory on Mar 7, 2010 11:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I ran into a drunk and profusely sweating Fleury flanked by 18 year old girls outside the danceclub known for catering to the townies,
You’re leaving out a detail like, “…after I got thrown out of said club,” aren’t you.
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Cairns
On the flip side, I loved that they got Kasparaitis on the older, weaker, overpaid end. It was perfect.
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kids and streit
Although we were out of it by then, it is pretty obvious that the 4-3 loss to ottawa before the break officially sounded the bell. Any doubts were quelled at the deadline where we moved arguably our most consistent d-man and did nothing to shore up the position with any even marginal NHL talent or size.
At that point, I fully expected to see nothing but kids for the rest of the way. I have been beyond disappointed to still see Sim and Weight and, for God’s sake Park with Tavares the last 3 games. What is the point of this? Why were Martin and Joensuu banished when they should have been joined by some of their Bridgeport mates? Where is the “rebuild” with youth? Does anyone in this organization have a clue?
Is it just me, or did Streit raise the intensity and physical aspect of his game exponentially while playing in the olympics? The theory was that he was playing with an injury this year which rendered him less effective. The olympics dispelled that. I think he is just mired in the mediocrity and hopelessness which the islanders crest now represents. very sad.
Streit was sick, he had shingles.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 7, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Totally serious, it was even discussed here in late February.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 7, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. He was playing sick for us but I guess thats why he was being rested for a lot of practices for a while there. Streit is a trooper. :)
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 7, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I have been beyond disappointed to still see Sim and Weight and, for God’s sake Park with Tavares the last 3 games. What is the point of this? Why were Martin and Joensuu banished when they should have been joined by some of their Bridgeport mates? Where is the "rebuild" with youth? Does anyone in this organization have a clue?
Respectfully disagree with pretty much all of this right here. Theres plenty the kids can learn from them and like it or not, those guys are putting up more points lately than kids like Tavares and even Okposo. Martin and Joensuu are not “banished” you just cant rush em all and throw a bunch of inexperiened kids out there alone with nobody there to guide them, help them, nothing, You just cant do it. It helps nothing.
The rebuild with youth is going on right now. It takes time.
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I see your point, but I think Hunter and maybe Weight up front, Streit and the Goalies are enough to “guide”. Witt would’ve helped from that perspective. I also think that leaving the d so thin on NHL talent and the decided lack of size on this team are amjor mistakes by the GM.
Cant really argue about the D aspect- I just dont see a prob with the forwards (and thats the part I was disagreeing with.) Theres a reason that all those kids voted Weight Captain and rave about him (as Tavares was just doing in a recent NHL article)- they need guys like that, they really do. I think Simmer is good for them too, to tell you the truth. IMO if the kids played the way Sim does every night, with their higher talent levels, this team would win a lot more games.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 7, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Since we’re talking possible FA targets this off season, I took a look at some of the pending UFA’s and there are some interesting names that really haven’t been talked about…
Ryan Kesler
“Toronto’s Favorite Son” Kyle Wellwood
Eric Nystom (I could have sworn he’d be an RFA)
Marek Svatos
Rostislav Klesla
Paul Martin
Zbynek Michalek
Some names there Garth might want to think about, especially with all that wonderful cap space.
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Scratch Klesla off, I forgot he signed an extension.
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by David Hanssen on Mar 7, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Martin definitely and Nystrom sentimentally and physically have me dreaming. Michalek is a nice d-man too who might be underrated thanks to his locale. Of course, if he sees playoff time that could raise his profile.
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It might be the post Olympic high (Vancouver is one hell of a drug), but I wouldn’t mind Kesler. I doubt he would sign here though.
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by David Hanssen on Mar 7, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Forget about Martin
No way is Lou gonna let him walk. Volcenkov is a better bet because it at least looks like he is done in Ottawa. Michalek would be OK. Kesler is an RFA. Nystrom would be OK. My preferred targets for FA signings would be Volcenkov and Torres.
completely disagree with you there BC, Lou lets guys walk all the time, provided they want more money than he thinks they are worth – Gionta, Madden, Rafalski, Gomez, Holik…many more too, when they get greedy Lou generally doesn’t cave in to them
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i believe that as well, but history shows he doesn’t like to overpay for guys is all, and we look like we have to overpay players to come here, so there’s at least some chance, as remote as it may be
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Yep. The one of many things that torque Lou is asking for too much food when your turn is up. The one way the Isles can get someone like that to sign is the one way that gets Lou to let him go.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
at the end of the day
I expect that Martin will remain a Devil. In fact, I suspect that the only thing holding it up now is that Lou is wanting to see how he comes back from this injury.
Lou is going to have a decision to make though, He won’t have enough cap space to resign Kovalchuk and Martin unless he manages to con someone into taking on Bryce Salvador and/or Colin White’s contracts.
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by David Hanssen on Mar 8, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Kesler is not an RFA. He’s on his second pro contract which expires at the end of the season, making him a UFA.
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by David Hanssen on Mar 8, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think I might have misread the CBA on that one, my fault. I thought it said after the SPC (Second Pro Contract), a player was eligible, but I probably missed the age requirements.
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by David Hanssen on Mar 9, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
in any event, I am not inclined to give up picks until we have our core in place
although Kesler would be a nice get.
Agreed. I would like him if he was Unrestricted, but it isn’t worth playing the offer sheet game for Restricted guys.
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by David Hanssen on Mar 9, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
RFA
Looks like he’s only 25 (and will be so until August), so he doesn’t hit UFA until next time.
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I want to finish strong
I for one do not look for us to tank the end of the season for the highest pick possible. I would like to see the team play .500 the rest of the way or better to give them some confidence going into the off-season. I would lie to see some guy given the chane to play on the PP or PK that usually do not, and see how they respond.
I don't believe anyone is going to tank
at least not intentionally. But I also don’t believe that we will finish higher than the third overall pick. It’s not even impossible that Toronto could overtake us and we could have at least an outside chance at winning the lottery over the Oil for the #1. I think Garth should be bringing uo not only Martin and Joensuu for extended looks but also Klementyev and pretty much anyone in B’port who looks like he has a pulse.
pretty much with you 100% there, but even at 3rd we’ll have a fighting chance to win the #1 pick – 5 times in 14 years has 30th retained the 1st pick (36%)
30th……….. 25.0% (250 combinations)
29th……….. 18.8% (188 combinations) – 1 n 5.4
28th……….. 14.2% (142 combinations) – 1 in 7
27th……….. 10.7% (107 combinations)
26th………….8.1% (81 combinations)
25th………….6.2% (62 combinations)
24th………….4.7% (47 combinations)
23rd………….3.6% (36 combinations)
22nd………… 2.7% (27 combinations)
21st………….2.1% (21 combinations)
20th………….1.5% (15 combinations)
19th………….1.1% (11 combinations)
18th………….0.8% (8 combinations)
17th………….0.5% (5 combinations)
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yeah seen the table
but also seen the stats on how often anybody but the worst team wins and I think its almost always been the second worst.
The odds are what the odds are
And I’m not hoping for miracles. But it’s hardly an unheard of proposition. Chicago has not tanking but the lottery to thank for Patrick Kane. (This table looks right but may have an error here or there):
1995 – Los Angeles (was 7th, moved to 3rd; Ottawa retained 1st overall pick)
1996 – Ottawa (retained 1st overall pick)
1997 – Boston (retained 1st overall pick)
1998 – Tampa Bay (was 3rd, moved to 1st)*
1999 – Chicago (was 8th, moved to 4th; Tampa Bay retained 1st overall pick)
2000 – NY Islanders (was 3rd, moved to 1st)
2001 – Atlanta (was 3rd, moved to 1st despite NYI being last place)
2002 – Florida (was 3rd, moved to 1st)
2003 – Florida (was 4th, moved to 1st
2004 – Washington (was 3rd, moved to 1st)
2005 – Pittsburgh (all 30 teams had a chance at #1)
2006 – St. Louis (retained 1st overall pick)
2007 – Chicago (was 5th, moved to 1st)
2008 – Tampa Bay (retained 1st overall pick)
2009 – Islanders (retained 1st overall pick)
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Martin and Joensuu would be nice
They might even help goose the win total.
But Klementyev? Why rush him and throw another blueline pup into the mix? He’s reportedly shown steady progression this year, but bringing him up here would be a mistake, I think.
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No, not at all. He’s just starting to gain confidence at the AHL level after struggling the first half of the year. The last thing you need is to completely blow a 19 year old’s confidence by having him be completely over matched at the NHL level.
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by David Hanssen on Mar 8, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
The fact he’s just starting to find his groove in Bridgeport, the fact he’s a 19 year old whose played in only 25 games above Russia’s 3rd league and only 1 before this year. He is very raw, relatively untested and just now starting to gain confidence that he can play the North American game. If he was not over matched by the NHL at this point in his career, I would be very, very impressed.
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by David Hanssen on Mar 8, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he’s young and was overmatched in the AHL as recently as a few months ago.
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Im standing by the idea that Klementyev will not get a taste til Petrov gets a taste… so that he can help Kirill communicate and feel a little more comfortable. If Petrov cannot talk to anyone or even have an idea wtf his coaches are even saying to him, he is not going to be happy. And the Islanders will really want him to be happy!
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 8, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I remember it specifically being brought up in his draft year when comparing him and Filatov. It was stated that he did not speak English. I also remember reading articles where he was using a translator to communicate.
Perhaps he has been working on it a bit, knowing that he is going to come to North America? Thats not hte kind of thing you read about on RussianProspects. Of course, you dont hear ANY fricking Petrov news lately.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 9, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
where's the muscle??
scott gordon,you can’t expect a bunch of young guys to go through a brick wall for you and hit everything in sight and make the opposition cough up the puck by intimidation, if you have NO toughness in the lineup! for example, blake comoe started hitting the bruins, they came back at him and took him out. where was the guy or guys in the isle line up that stepped in for comoue (whatever). this is just basic hockey. i know that the red wings have been successful with virtually no toughness, but they are superior skaters, the isles are not
draft Nino and get Petrov over here
and you will have some real muscle on the second line. Also signing Volcenkov and Torres would help. We should also draft one of a number of big physical defenders and Yasin Cisse.
for example, blake comoe started hitting the bruins, they came back at him and took him out.
I really don’t see Point A leading to Point B there (Ryder didn’t target him, it was just one of those checks that went wrong), but I guess we’ll have to disagree there.
I also don’t think this team construction is on Gordon — when he asks people to simply finish their checks, it’s part of a forechecking scheme — not part of a plan to get them to put on the foil. I think the issue was going 85% of the way on assignments rather than 100%; peeling away too soon and allowing the opponent too much space.
If Jeremy Reich hadn’t hit every limb on the injury tree this year, he might have provided a little of the muscle people are calling for.
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If Jeremy Reich hadn’t hit every limb on the injury tree this year, he might have provided a little of the muscle people are calling for.
Life goes by so fast
You only want to do what you think is right
Close your eyes and then it’s past;
(it’s the) story of my life
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by David Hanssen on Mar 8, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
i know that the red wings have been successful with virtually no toughness
bertuzzi and holmstrom franzen lilja aren’t pushovers, i hear what you mean, but we can’t even match those 4 guys can we?
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no, but our biggest guy now is Jackman, and he’s playing with a fishtank on his face, so it’s hard to get muscle from that…
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size isn’t everything.
Im going to agree with that…
…but it helps.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 8, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Must… resist… making… dirty… joke…
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by David Hanssen on Mar 8, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 8, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
For the Isles, it’s the motion in the ocean…
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