Naturally: Quiet deadline followed by Islanders injury news
by Dominik on Mar 3, 2010 4:50 PM EST
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How's this for capping a day of Islanders fan ennui? On the heels of coming up empty on Trade Deadline Day -- when every fan hopes for the tooth fairy to drop by with undeserved gifts -- the Islanders also learn that Andrew MacDonald is out 4-6 weeks with a broken foot (aka "The Sutton") and oft-injured Trent Hunter returned from the Olympic break to promptly hurt his quad and "upper body," shelving himself for 1-2 weeks.
Tough break for MacDonald, who played so well in 38 games as an unexpected call-up for Radek Martinek (well, when you're next in line behind the injury-cursed Martinek, you should generally expect action) that he earned a four-year contract during the break. Naturally, this being our luck, he breaks his foot in his first game afterward.
The bright side, I guess, is recent AHL acquisition Dylan Reese now gets a look in Atlanta for his NHL debut. Reese has put up some points in the AHL, and his Bridgeport debut included a goal and an assist.
Now about that Rick DiPietro health update: It's ... indefinite.
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If this isn’t exciting it’s at least … eh..uh, yea, I have no idea.
With that said, Dom, do we know / is there a list availible on who might sign on for the last few games after the juniors / college season is over? I know once in a blue moon players sign on right before the playoffs and whatnot. At this rate I could see us stashing a few down in Bport to add some depth. Maybe I’ll look into that.
i got 99 problems, but Streit gettin' hurt in the Olympics aint one!
Rhakhshani? No one else comes to mind who isn’t either (a) underclass, (b) hurt, or © headed for CHL playoffs/Memorial Cup time. There is also the college free agent market, if Toronto doesn’t gobble everybody up.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
I can’t believe I forgot about Rhakshani, I’m excited for sure. I hope he doesn’t win the Hobey though, no curse needed!
i got 99 problems, but Streit gettin' hurt in the Olympics aint one!
Not only no curse, but no extra bluster from his agent needed.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
One step forward and two steps back into the 90's
From all indications in the [Islander] media Sutton was going to lower his compensation expectations because of his appreciation of the organization. So the team with the smallest, and THINNEST defensive corps in the NHL trades their biggest defenseman for a pick somehere in the 50’s (woop woop yahoo).
That’s not even the funniest part.
The organization has 9 goalies vying for 4 spots(and a lame one with 12 years left on his contract)… and the only way they can get rid of any of them is by taking a pipe to their lower bodies. No value there. At least their best goalie wasn’t traded… which, of course… being the Islanders, was their FIRST OPTION.
At the beginning of the season they had 7 centers (JT, Frans, JB, Dougie, Schremp, Park and Fotonat) on the active roster… They refused to send Bailey down while they had this abundance of centers.
Then they move Bailey to LW where they have their best signing, Moulson, their two top AHL prospects Joensuu and Martin, and three question marks… Sim, Bergenhiem and tambellini. They waive fotonat, and Weight has been injured and ineffective at best.
So what’s going on at center. You have JT (Monster slump), Schremp(looks like numero uno going into next year), Uber Frans(great third liner) and stugots again (with nothing in the pipeline for at least two years). Snow has to tender Park an offer just to insure against being shut out in July.
With RFA’s Bergy, now estranged, Tambellini in a vortex of doubt and a defensive corps that looks like it should be welcoming Dorothy to Oz….
DID WE TAKE A STEP BACKWARDS IN 2010???
The pluses this year…
JT… a monkey makes that pick… and its starting to look like it might not have been the right one.
Moulson… Snow bought five scratchers before the season and one of them was a jackpot. The other four are are marginally productive in the AHL.
Schremp… a waiver pick up..
MacDonald… a Nolan pick..
…and finally Garth added something to the team two years ago when he signed Jack Hillen.
I haven’t given garth any crap because I thought he was doing the best with the resources he had… but if they go into next year with a sub floor payroll and this lineup…
It’ll be time for Wang to get out of the hockey business!!! and that ain’t no ancient chinese secret!
One thing Snow can do is lobby the NHL to remove the referees (because his PP and PK SUCK) and shorten the games to 40 minutes… and I think everybody knows why.
well...
1. I’d have had Bailey in the AHL playing first line and PP minutes at CENTER.
2. I don’ tthink I’d have used the 3rd round pick on a goaltender. The whole stock up and sell what we don’t need philosophy just doesn’t work.
3. I’d have put my hand in Wang’s pocket in July to get some scoring. There was some available.. Nobody knows how this would have panned out, but you just can’t keep waiting for “Gordon type players” (If you’re gonna bash Ted’s playoff year with the term “Nolan type players” then this can’t be far away). I’d have signed Tanguay… or at least made an effort.
4. There’s no way Nate thompson is on a team with 6 other centers… I’d have definitely had somebody with offensive upside playing his minutes plus.
5. I’d have signed the other Andy. MacDonald wasn’t going anywhere… Sutton won’t be coming back.
6. I’d have been scraping the AHL for bigger/tougher defensemen to play third pair minutes if necessary… not leaving that to Dustin Kohn, or god forbid, Katic.
With that said, I think Garth is doing okay… but I don’t think the team is where it should be in year two. Hell, there’s more fo a chance that we are a top 5 draft pick again. I was just noting that most of the positives have been more luck than good work by the GM. Sometimes you wonder if there is a brick with a string running the show. But it’s better than what we had… a prick with an agenda.
- Whats the problem with where Bailey is playing? He’s obviously NHL Talent by now, just look at his stats the last two seasons
68 7 18 25 -14
56 13 14 27 8
Thats a +22 improvement on his +/-, nearly double the goals he scored last year and he matched last years points total in fewer games. I don’t see his positioning being a problem
- Have to argue here. The more goalies in our system the better. Sometimes you don’t know if a goalie is going to pan out in just a year or two.
- Wang’s already said that he’s given the reigns and all financial considerations over to Snow. If Snow didn’t get or go after Tanguay, then he probably has a reason. If this season is a non-playoff year then we at the very least now know how a lot of our youngsters stand in the organaztion.
- We needed a spare forward, and Thompson was the first one to go.
- How many years does Sutton have left? 1 or 2? Sutton’s 35 and he’s only getting older. If MacDonald continues to improve and show that he’s really a top 4 Dman in the league then we have him locked up for a few years on the cheap. MacDonald has Upside, Sutton doesn’t.
- Lets say we did have bigger and tougher Dmen in the AHL, but Kohn was playing better then they were. I’d want Kohn. I think Kohn is going to make it as an NHL defenseman.
Garth is doing okay? I think he’s doing better then that. He took a chance on Streit, Schremp, Moulson, Roloson and all four have worked out greatly. He’s showing a lot of patience with the younger players. The Islanders haven’t had this many of their own First Rounders on one team since the 99 team I believe. The team is getting better through youth and not quick short term bandages which are only going hurt down the road.
Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!
Common Ground
I agree with the end on Bailey, you asked what I would have done. In my world (no guarentee) he comes up at about this time as our second or thrid center. I like where Josh is right now… it just muddles the org chart becasue of the logjam at LW. A good problem, but I’d rather have him better on the dot.
Streit has worked out, no doubt. So have the others you mentioned… but they fell in his lap. That’s not a negative on Snow… my post wasn’t all about being negative… as it has been perceived.
Thompson… good lord, why. He played a big role for Gordon in the AHL, and I’m sure he was a good kid… but why… All year the tema needed goals, and we were constantly bickering about bottom six forwards getting ice time. 7 centers… he’s the 7th… zero production… never missed a game when healthy… why?
Sutton may have 2 years left, but that times out well with the prospects. I’d like one guy on defense that doesn’t go down like a bowling pin when defending the crease. I’d actually like to have three… but I’d take one.
I’ve already said my piece on Kohn. He wasn’t anything special in the AHL and will be a third pair guy for as long as they don’t have anybody better… let’s not make him out to be Stefan Persson or something. It is what it is.
If not for Roloson, Moulson and Schremp this season would have been an utter disaster. JT has gotten his clock cleaned way too often. They are still terrible in the third period. their special teams belong in the special olympics.
But yeah, everything is great…
1. Bailey in the AHL would regress his talent. Makes NO sense. We do not have the talent down there to help him out, not to mention the game is a whole lot slower and much less refined. He is less than 365 days older than JT, he needs to grow. Speaking of which, enough with the “it might have been a mistake to draft JT” stuff, I liked Hedman and I still realize this talk is crap.
2. Stocking up and moving off works perfect fine. Want to take a guess why we did nothing this deadline? Cupboards are bare. Look at Vancouver and Montreal as examples of highly desired backup or developing goaltenders that can be moved, or utilized to have a great tandem in net.
3. Just because you want to spend doesn’t mean you can. I’m not a huge fan of Gordon’s style, but you have to be able to draw interest on the Island too. Remember the Komisarek discussion at all? Players have to WANT to come here before we can open up the check book, I don’t think that is Wang’s problem.
4. More offensive upside for a guy on the 3rd/4th line and PK…. Who exactly are you going to throw in there? What is the solution? If you want to get a more apt grinder, that’s fine, but you want to send Bailey down, get rid of Thompson… uh?
5. The organization felt they could do without. They received pretty good compensation for Sutton, not to mention a) the MacDonald signing was excellent and b) they would have done it even with Sutton on board. Sutton is a bruising defender who is not in the mold of what Gordon is inclined to utilize in his attempt to puck move and create a power play force. I love the guy, but when push comes to shove, it’s a 2nd rd slot to bring in someone with good talent for the future.
6. Again, what WE want is not the same as what GORDON wants. If his system is going to play effectively, he needs the pieces in place to succeed. We don’t necessarilly need big lumbering guys right now, that’s just how it is.
Obviously I’m a little frustrated, and this isn’t all directed at you. But what do you want? We’ve made some good moves, Mauldin and Moulson prove that from the success they’ve had in the NHL/AHL. Getting big fish into our pond is a need yes, I see it, most of us do, but it’s a matter of ability. I’m not secure with the future, but I think Snow and everyone else realized that less turnover might be more valuable for this team in the next few years. Cut the fat, and run with the role players to build a nucleus of guys and get into the playoffs.
i got 99 problems, but Streit gettin' hurt in the Olympics aint one!
by albeezle on Mar 3, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just a thought...
“Speaking of which, enough with the "it might have been a mistake to draft JT" stuff, I liked Hedman and I still realize this talk is crap”
I didn’t put that comment in there to second guess the #1 overall. I was just saying that it’s starting to look a little like he might not be the savior…
My one knock on the kid (and I totally understand that he is 19 and THINKS he has the world on his shoulders) is that he just never seems… well… HAPPY.
I’m pretty sure it you put 90% of the makes in the universe in his position they’d be looking into finding meds for their priapism. Hey… maybe that’s why he always looks like he’s in pain.
Nineteen… all teh money you could spend without having a HUGE vice or disorder… living with Doug Weight and other kids living the dream…
but when you come to work you have guys like Pronger doing unauthorized dental work on you… and nobody seems to care.
They need to fix some of the things around him, or get him some prozac.
re: Tavares not being 'happy'
I think its just his disposition, seemed to carry himself the same way in the OHL
Nah
If it were the ‘90s, we’d be a year away from trading Tavares, we’d have already dumped Bailey before he started producing, and Okposo would be getting grilled by the GM for not reaching 20 goals.
As for a step back, I’d try to answer that question with: Did they squander any assets this year? Did they pass up any known potential upgrades? Have they mishandled anyone? For those three Q’s, I’d think only the last one is an open question.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
Didn’t you hear? We could have gotten a first rounder for Sutton, a second rounder for Biron, and a third rounder for Witt!
This whole seasons been a waste! Nothings improved!!
Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!
not what I said
Would have signed Sutton… If Snow gets shut out in July (what are the chances) our defense going into next year can limbo under the crossbar standing up. Two PP goals last night should tell you somehting. the PK gets worse without size.
…and all year I’ve been saying that things have improved… I just can’t grasp some of the moves along the way… and definitley not the past few weeks.
Good Questions
Those 3 questions are the perfect benchmark questions we should continue to ask ourselves as this rebuild continues. For me, the first question is a no, the second is almost impossible to know (we’d all love to see a list of all of the offers Garth fields from other GM’s but not gonna happen). The last question is a bit tricky though isn’t it?…I would say Tambellini was totally mishandled, and I will continue to believe that Bergy would have been able to show us alot more this season had he been given more of an opportunity (more ice time with scorers and how about some PP time) but aside from that I’m pretty happy with the way the players were managed.
I agree, Bergenheim and Tambellini are the two who stand out. I don’t know what ultimately they could show us, but I’m pretty convinced the Isles haven’t given either the best chance to succeed. Sometimes that happens — it’s like a damaged relationship where subsequent decisions are clouded by the baggage — but they’re worth noting.
Some beat reporter said at the deadline that a GM was discussing one available player as “flying at Mach 5 without a pilot.” No way of knowing, but I could see it being Bergy.
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I want
Whatever your smoking JP.
9 Goalies for 4 Spots?
I guess you didn’t go through last season and 0 Goalies vying for 2 spots.
Bailey has made some great improvements this year, he was already a defensively viable forward, and now he’s shown why he was a first rounder with his offensive production.
I’m nearly 100% sure Weights retiring at the end of this season.
I think this is a roster that is only going to get better. Bridgeport is doing a fine job of developing youngsters. Going into next season on D you have Streit, MacDonald, Maybe De Haan, Hillen and Maybe Kohn and whoever gets the 6th spot. That’s without considering that Katic (spelling?) is highly touted and would have gotten a shot if he wasn’t hurt.
Even with what we currently have, I still think this team is going to fight and get close to a playoff spot. Next season with everyone a year older and wiser the team is only going to improve and I really think they can end up in 6-8th in the Conference.
The 3rd period meltdowns are just a sign of what is in reality a pretty young team. Sure we had a bunch of older guys on D, but they had to be replaced in the long run. Just take a step off the ledge, watch the team fight for a playoff spot and this isn’t the Milbury years.
Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!
No ledge at all...
If you’ve been reading my posts you’d reremember that I’ve been pretty positive about this team. But if you don’t think that the goalie-go-round is a little strange. Let me show you what I see.
1. lame goalie with 12 years left on his contract.
2. 40 year old goalie with one year left.
3. Back-up goalie, could probably have been the starter if not for 2. UFA
4. Nathan lawson. 26 year old prospect… might have been back-up worthy on a non-palyoff team.
5. Munroe. depth signing…. #1 prospect from Philly… probably thought he was going to get NHL time this year… LOL.
6. Poulin… 2008 5th rounder.. some scouts say he’s the best goalie in the QMJHL. I think I got that here or at NYIPB. So he pushes for a BP spot next year… probably.
7. Koskinen… unless he turns into the 6’5" version of red light ricky he’s in BP next year.
8. Nilsson… with Koskinen in the bag, why not draft more to needs with McNabb or Hanowski (I don’t have a clue who’d they pick…but with sucha thin org chart I’d have used the pick for mor size on D and on the wing)… if he turns out to be THE ONE… then I’ll finish this bowl and get some cheetos.
9. Ridderwall… I haven’t a clue.
Now we’ve both made way too much of me saying that I think Snow wasted a third round pick… BIG WHOOP.
Its way to early to determine the value of Tavares, and all in all I’m encouraged with what I’ve seen this year. Rookies go through scoring slumps. He’s proven he can put the puck in the net at this level of play. I agree with the way the orginization has handled Bailey. He’s getting playing time here and gaining experience.
Its way to early to determine the value of Tavares
Yeah, I’ve always worried about the danger of viewing him as a savior. He was the (or one of the three) best talents available, and he should be a big-time scorer. But he was never projected to be a Crosby or Ovechkin type who can carry a team on his shoulders. Very likely some incredibly special moments are in store for the kid. Very likely it’s going to take time, the way it does with most top picks not named Sid or Alex.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
the other day on nhl.com they had a little last 20 games write up on the isles, with a quote from jt, saying “i can’t count how many posts i’ve hit this year” — for a guy who know’s how to handle the media, i consider this a bit of a show of the frustration, that being said, i thought he looked quicker vs the hawks the other night…
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for a guy who know’s how to handle the media, i consider this a bit of a show of the frustration
See, thats the thing when it comes to typed words- ambiguity!
When I read that my first reaction was, “nice, happy to hear he can joke around about it”
I mean, thats something I could hear Doug Weight saying. (Coincidence?)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Mar 4, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
hell, i was relieved he mentioned it, we see him physically show frustration on the ice when he hits the post, so there’s no need not to mention it, it just seemed like something he wouldn’t bring up normally… unless you are correct and he was making light of it, i just didnt read it as such
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What we've yet to see
Still waiting for JT to sacrifice a live chicken on one of the posts.
“Man, we can’t have people puking in the locker room before the game!”
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Given what Snow got for Sutton he had a pretty decent deadline
Not a lot of second round picks changed hands today. Not even a first. Lots of fifth and sixth rounders. Given what this years draft is supposed to be I think Snow gotta fair return.
I was ready to cut Snow a new one for no making any moves but overall this deadline was kind of lame. Doesn’t look like a lot of GMs were looking to wheel and deal. Roloson is still under contract for next season so there’s really no rush to move him.
Would have like to see Hunter go but he’s hurt so that’s wasnt an option. Don’t think we would have gotten fair value for him this season anyways. Oh well.
On to the draft!!!!
i must admit, the early proj’s of what players would go for was apparently blown way out of scope, i still wish we got a better 2nd rounder but it’s still market value
and yes, the hunter haters can rejoice, i always liked him, but he’s been declining steadily so i’m not going to shed a tear about this
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Snow is fine
This year has not been a waste. He has taken the measure of our talent and has seen what that talent can do. Several players (Moulson, Schremp, Andy Mac, Hillen) who either were not here before or were not significant last year have emerged as good to excellent NHL players. Kyle and Josh have begun to emerge as top line talent and even Blake is starting to look like the real thing. He knows that he has a top line that absolutely clicks in Moulson, Tavares, and Okposo.
In this coming draft, he needs to get a top six and a top four as well as someone to step into Hunts’ skates when his deal is up in a few years. Assuming we land the #3 overall, he can follow one of two possible trade down strategies to meet the first two needs and Yasin Cisse may well be available to take with the SJ 2nd.
In July, I would open the wallet for Volcenkov and a quality top six. The problem will, of course, be convincing them to come. If the draft is good enough and some of our guys really start to click as Blake is doing…and if there is sone resolution as to the Isles’ future before July, that might be an easier sell.
I don't think of replacing Hunter as a major problem
When the dust settles Garth Snow has already drafty a few guys who can fill his role and do better. Anders Lee is the first to come to mind and Casey Czizska maybe not that far behind. Hunter is overrated.
Come next fall this team will have Hamonic knocking at the door, DeHaan maybe another year away and who knows who they draft? My thinking is that this draft will be their big Defensemen draft.
Lee and Czizika are both centers
they need a talented PF to fill Hunts’ skates. Even at his worst, Hunts is a good defensive forward who can sometimes provide decent secondary scoring. Cisse promises to offer more talent.
It is a little hard for me to follow your logic as to why this will be a defense draft. Somehow the fact that we have two prime defensive prospects nearly NHL-ready is justification for adding primarily defensive prospects? Katie Stang laid out Garth’s two top priorities for the draft in a chat at the start of the season: a top six and a top four. They need a big potent PF to anchor the second line and Nino is the only guy at the top of the draft who fits that description. Brandon Gormley is the prototypical Snow-Gordon defenseman. I expect Garth to target one or both of them early and use later picks to get a bigger defenseman and a PF.
Hamonic, Ness, Donovan and DeHaan haven't won a job yet
That’s why. A lot can happen between now and when those guys make this roster. If Snow is not in position to get Hall or Seqin we are looking at Fowler. Realisticly this team is looking at Fowler, Gromley or Pysk. The only other non center in the top eight is Tarasenko.
Also, it’s really obvious. This teams greatest need is on the blue line. As mentioned before, the ones in the system have a long ways to go. You don’t know till camp opens where they land. To say those guys are near NHL ready is a bit of stretch.
Does that mean Snow is not going to draft a forward here or there? no. With two seconds and two thirds I wouldn’t be shocked if you see him draft three Defensemen in the first three rounds. As a matter of fact, it’s fair to say EVERYONE expects him to do that.
Streit right now is the only top four Defensemen on this team right now. Hamonic is not going to land as a top two neither is Donovan, Ness and the rest. DeHaan MIGHT have a shot but there’s no guarentee. Even Hockey futures has him has a POTENTIAL first or second pairing. DeHaan, needing to put on some pounds is going to greatly alter his play and development.
De Haan almost made the roster this year
both he and Hamonic will be ready soon. If not this year, next. Hillen and MacDonald have already proven they can play.
Nothing is guaranteed in life. It is not guaranteed that JT will become the star we drafted him to be. Garth needs to draft a likely star on offense. Virtually no one I know of other than you thinks he will use his first three picks for defensemen. That would be absurd. It would be ideal to get two top ten picks and get Gormley and Nino. Failing that, Nino (or another potential top 6) will likely go first, followed by a big defenseman. Its possible, however, that Garth and Co are so sold on Gormley that they go with him first and then draft a forward with the second pick. But Dom makes a good point. The best talents on offense are usually very early in the draft while quality defensemen may well be drafted in later rounds as they take longer to develop.
impressing in rookie camp and pre-season doesn’t = almost making the roster
yes they may be ready soon, but those injuries were setbacks, and now you need to re-evaluate…
hillen and macdonald have shown a very short window… remember bruno, our up and coming #2 d-man… well he certainly regressed so nothing is certain with hillen or macdonald no matter how promising they appear to be
top 6 now? by June he’s going to be vying for #1 overall wont he BC? :-D
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hillen and macdonald have shown a very short window… remember bruno
A wise lesson to remember…
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and yes let's remember Bruno
who’s to say that he isn’t just having a bad year this year and that he won’t be fine next? It is just as fair to assume that as to assume that Hillen and MacDonald will regress.
Nobody's assuming anything
The point is that 39 games does not an NHL definition make. The whole Campoli and Gervais experience has been littered with ups and downs.
It’s just guarded caution/expectations is all. I don’t assume Hillen will regress, and I don’t think MacDonald will fail to at least maintain the standard he’s established so far, but he was playing for a job before, and now he has a contract, and defensemen can be like middle relievers sometimes.
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I am saying that it is just as reasonable
to think that Gervais will turn around as it is to think that Hillen and Mac will regress. And it is fair for Garth or anyone to look at the Isles and see at least three solid defensemen (incl one star) going into next year. Getting back to the original point, it is simply unreasonable to look at the players on the roster and in the system and say that Garth needs to have a primarily defensive draft. If we are applying that kind of standard to Hillen and Mac, we have to apply it to JT, Josh, and Kyle as well. We NEED a top six as well as a top four out of this draft at minimum.
I’d argue that there’s much more data on what kind of defenseman Gervais is than the other two, but I see what you’re after with the original point.
I don’t think we can pin too much specific hope (“NEED a top six and top four”) on this draft, though. Certainly their first pick better be one of those; unless they can move up very high (unlikely), their second pick only has a <50% chance of being one of those. So we hope they pan out, but there’s more info about who’s developing in the system and who’s available via trade/FA than there is about whether a 30-something overall pick is going to deliver three or four years down the line.
Draft picks are like lottery tickets and long-term diversified investments wrapped in one. You need to make them, but on draft day you can’t really plan on which ones will be bringing you gravy several years down the line.
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One thought that occurs
We do not have a lot of second and third round assets compared to last year BUT if we get Gormley, either Donovan or Ness becomes expendable. Assuming Donovan to be the more attractive of the two, if you can work the trade down with the Ducks so they can get Seguin with their two first rounders and maybe their second thrown in, make Donovan and maybe another prospect part of a trade up of both picks that gets both into the top ten and maybe get a Nino and a Gormley with one or two second and third rounders left over for someone like Cisse and a big defensive prospect. Since 2011 is a weak draft, you could use our second and thirds in that draft as part of the package. Of course, substitute other names for those top two picks if you like, but I think Nino is the forward you need unless Josh’s move to LW is permanent and Gormley seems to be the kind of intelligent character guy Garth goes for.
Nino is certainly top six material
but pick another forward in the top ten if you prefer. Hamonic and De Haan are fine. All the talk at the end of camp was that it was a VERY close decision to send De Haan back down. The injuries were temporary setbacks and Hamonic is already playing again. Nothing is certain with ANY player (Streit could have a career ending injury or his skills and physical abilities could go south in a hurry), but Hillen has wowed virtually every opposing announcing team that has covered the Ilses and Andy Mac impressed the Isles enough to give him a multi-year contract, so that’s good enough for me.
ok, you bold print that
Nino is certainly top six materialthen say
Nothing is certain with ANY player
how convenient for you to choose when certainty applies or doesn’t apply
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I said top six material
meaning that he projects as a top six prospect, which is quite a reasonable assessment I think. No, Nino is not guaranteed to be a star winger…but then NOBODY is. He projects to be one though. Garth was quoted as using the word crapshoot regarding the draft for a reason and you could also apply it to trades.
I never said he was using the first three on defensmen
I did say he would use three of our top five picks on defensemen. That has a completely different meaning.
And it’s OBVIOUS!!!! It’s so obvious it’s slapping you in the face. This teams biggest weakness right now is on defense. That’s WITH Hamonic, DeHaan and Donovan in the pipeline. Hamonic is the only Defensemen we have with size. The rest are all small defensemen.
The NHL roster right now only has one defensemen that’s considered a top four. That even if you consider BEFORE Sutton was traded. Sutton is a five or a six on a good team.
It was obvious in 08 that Snow was going to draft a center with his first round pick.
Last year it was obvious Snow was going to pick Tavares. Not to mention draft a goalie at some point.
This year it is obvious that he is going after defensemen. It’s PAINFULLY obvious. He’s not going to wait for the mercy of free agency to figure it out.
draft three Defensemen in the first three rounds
there are five picks in those rounds and he is likely to do some trading up along the way…so it amounts to the same thing. Actually we need 1-2 quality players on offense and 1-2 on defense. More of our talent on D is in the system whereas more of our talent on offense is on the roster. The needs are pressingon both ends. If my longshot scenario to get two top ten picks doesn’t pan out, Garth is probably better off using the top pick to get Nino or whoever they think will be best on the second line. If he were to pick Nino, he could probably trade down once or twice, get a few more picks, and use most of them on defense hoping that at least one or two will become legit top fours. Again defensemen take longer to develop.
Honestly, this team has taken a big step forward. The biggest question mark is DP. Everyone else is going to get better. Moulson, JT are tired and they have been getting pushed around, but they will improve their stamina and get stronger.
My biggest worry is that no one, with the exception of Matt Martin (who should stay in BP, he’s not ready just yet), steps up to help out their teammates. I’ not saying you have to fight every night, but if someone runs JT, you have to take a shot at him. If somone runs Rolo, you have to take a shot at him, do not make him defend himself. That’s the one thing they need more of, HEART and commaraderie.
by billymac23 on Mar 3, 2010 8:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
DP is done
The DP question isn’t a big one and it is this: When will he retire….. Two colleagues I am good friends,who are orthopedic Docs said the same things. 1) after his swelling post surgery – not a good sign 2) after second knee surgery “that’s bad – very unlikely he’ll continue his career” 3) after this “He’s done”.
5 minutes talking to the ortho docs (and one treats pro athletes – Mets Giants) and its clear – Snow must know. DPs outcome has been abnormal from the first knee surgery. Look total knee replacements or even ACL repairs and you can be back in 6months (ie Martinek is skating now) but a minor meniscal repair takes 2 years?
They think DP is having a rare inflammatory feedback problem (basically an autoimmune reponse in the knee trigger by the surgery and retriggered by continued microtrauma). That or his knee was botched and bad biomechanics are causing all the inflammation. Either way he’s got a inflammation problem that is abnormal and won’t go away.
by neologizer on Mar 3, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is true that he was out for a long time
and that it has not taken very long for him to be incapacitated again. It may be that he is done or it may be that he is just done for the season. Either way, having Roly next year with Marty or another reliable backup would seem wise until Mikko is NHL-ready. It might have worked, if enough assets were coming back, to have traded Roly for Huet—who is at least healthy as far as I know. DP and the Lighthouse are two serious unanswered questions to be sure.
It really does make you wonder
Did something go terribly wrong with the initial surgery? (And I’m not one to blame doctors — I know medicine is hardly an “exact science” — just wondering if the pivotal moment was an unfortunate circumstance way back in 2008.)
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
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