NHL Trade Deadline: Islanders quiet as Roloson, Biron stay put
by Dominik on Mar 3, 2010 3:17 PM EST
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You know it's a dull NHL Trade Deadline when half the names coming across make you ask either: (1) Wait, who is he again? or (2) Wait, he's still in the NHL?
But I guess when you spoil us with a few big pre-deadline moves, when no one's moving 1st-round picks and when all of the buyers have already moved their 2nd-round picks, this is what you get. Your biggest deadline mover is Raffi freaking Torres. Matheiu Schneider moved but Tomas Kaberle did not. Vesa Toskala moved but the Islanders goalies did not. Milan Jurcina moved, but Dan Hamhuis did not. To complete the surreal cycle, the Coyotes and Kings are now buyers.
Barring something tardy and unusual, in Islanders country, with their biggest chip already cashed in for one of those 2nds yesterday, all was quiet save for a pending Rick DiPietro health update. There were lots of rumors of Dwayne Roloson to Chicago or Philadelphia, or Martin Biron to anyone looking for a backup, or nibbles for Sean Bergenheim or Richard Park, but in the end 2 p.m. went quietly into that good night.
To paraphrase the famous words of Don Rumsfeld, the Islanders will play out Rebuild: Year 2 with the army they have, not with the all-star studs you hoped Richard Park and Jeff Tambellini could bring back.
I'll end with one final plea about the price fetched for Andy Sutton: Look around at the defensemen acquired today, and notice how the price went lower and lower: Derek Morris for a 4th. Martin Skoula for a 5th. Milan Jurcina for a 6th. Aaron Ward for a 4th and scraps. The 2010 draft is considered deeper than 2011, and you have a limited number of buyers at this deadline -- therefore a limited number of picks for sale. No 1st-rounders changed hands -- and the one case where a team was holding out for a 1st, for Torres, did not pan out that way.
We can argue whether the Islanders should have kept Sutton around for the stretch run and risk getting nothing for him this summer (I wouldn't), but I don't think anyone can still argue Sutton should have fetched more than a 2nd-round pick from one of the teams that will, by definition, be picking in the last third of each round.
This is the market Snow was dealing with. To sell, you need a buyer. To gain, you have to give up. To give up, you have to have something worth buying. The Islanders, sitting in 12th place in the Eastern Conference and 26th overall in the league, don't have much of that -- unless they want to give up an important piece of the rebuild. For now, maybe next year.
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by IslesOfficial on Mar 3, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully at least your Chinese was good.
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I had a meeting interrupt the subliminal consumption process but all in all it was pretty good. Sorry about making you crave it.
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by IslesOfficial on Mar 3, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Total fail, no reason to keep both Biron and Rollie...
I would have taken the late rounder the leafs got for McDonald, or even a bag of pucks for Biron if we were keeping Rollie, total waste of a signing Biron was now.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Marty signed up for another year at roughly the same salary. With DP being so fragile he might still find a niche here.
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by IslesOfficial on Mar 3, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Not with Rollie there for another year...
No one wants to be #3, especially someone with his talent. He’s certainly better than any goalie in Chicago or Philly right now.
Biron doesn't really have a lot of options
He signed for cheap to be #2.5 last summer, and no one offered scrap for him this year.
Plus, MacDonald was not acquired to be an NHL fix. That’s essentially an AHL swap for a 7th rounder in a supposedly weak draft.
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I think he just painted himself into a corner and waited to long, the Isles were probably his best gamble...
figuring if DP did come back, he’d be dealt to a contender, and while he was out or if he didn’t ever come back he’d have a good chance to play, even be the #1. I can not seem him doing that again because if anything it worked out completely wrong for him, he won’t be stupid this time and will take less money to at least have a chance to be a #1 somewhere else. I honestly think Biron is a very good goalie who is better than at least 30% of the starters out there now.
I think he’s adequate, but I’m not sold on him being a prize. I really don’t think he’s the solution as a goalie upgrade for any current contender.
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Dom, your all going on this year, I watched Biron in Philly regularly...
he was unfairly blamed for their loses, that teams D stunk the last three years. I think he’s a good/great goalie, I think he has way more talent than Rollie, he just needs to show it in the playoffs. Rollie got off to the good start and took over the starting job this year, so Birons loss, but he’s been a 30 game winner 2 times (almost three) Rollie’s never done that, he has better career stats in every statistical category than Rollie while being 8 years younger.
He would certainly be a goalie upgrade for Philly or Chicago.
I'm not just going on this year
I accept he was better than what he’s shown this year, but I don’t buy the win arguments (Biron has been on better teams than Roloson) nor the talent. I just haven’t seen it. Roloson has carried a team and, in the past two years, has had a better EV save %.
This year I watch Biron and see short-side goals and lots of flopping/swimming in his crease. I combine that with the fact no one hired him over the summer and no one made a significant offer this season and I think he and his rights holders do not have a good bargaining position. Not saying he’s awful, not saying I don’t think he can’t get hot again with some work on his game. But he is apparently not prized by any suitors. Instead, he’s a “Well, maybe it would work.” (Philly obviously didn’t want to return to that well, and for Chicago to do something would be a burden — who takes Huet? — for a hardly-certain-playoff-upgrade.)
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I don't think the teams were that much better...
Biron was on some bad Buffalo teams. As for this summer the real reason he wasn’t signed was because he thought his price was much higher, and he waited to long, he considered himself a great, when realistically he’s just very good. I saw games in Philly the last two years he completely took over and dominated, he’s always been a hot and cold goaltender though, the thing is we haven’t seen his hot this year because he’s barely played. As for swimming and flopping, I think thats how Rollie looks most nights, he just somehow comes up with the save, but I really feel Rollies season thus far has been more a product of good luck than good talent.
But the whole hot/cold thing is exactly why I wouldn’t bet on him as my playoff savior.
Regarding the flopping: Watching Roloson and Biron this year, I see Roloson staying much more square, much more composed in traffic and on angles, than what I’ve seen out of Biron. To me it’s almost as if Biron has stopped working on his game the way he once did, whereas Roloson has the focus of someone who knows his career will end any month now.
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Burke is talking on CBC
Kaberle NTC speech coming in 3…2…1
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at least we have injuries...
Hunter and MacDonald out 1-2 and 3-4 weeks, respectively. Good times!
by billymac23 on Mar 3, 2010 4:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sorry, A-Mac is 4-6 weeks. As per Katie Strang’s Twitter. All this with no word on the franchise yet. I think I would prefer to be kicked iin the balls than be forced to relive this day in Islander history
by billymac23 on Mar 3, 2010 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The delay on DiPietro
…it’s not so much surprising as it is worrying. I mean the combo of events: Deal Sutton, A-Mac goes down, Hunter plays a nice first game after the break and … gets hurt again. Jeez.
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Very worrying. Do we think the rebuild is taking a step back here?
by billymac23 on Mar 3, 2010 4:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What’s the worry?
The team is not materially worse than it was yesterday or the day before. Fact is, it has been a bad team from the get go.
No news on Ricky D’s knee is very worrying. The long term goals still revolve around his knees and hips being healthy. Even the update is nothing new, which to me means it’s a major setback…again.
by billymac23 on Mar 3, 2010 4:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not sure management still thinks that long term goals focus on DP. That is one reason they selected 4,700 goalies last draft.
Goalie — least of our concerns.
Although, actually, if DP retires, the Isles will be in dire minimum cap shape come next season.
I’ll once again offer my services in return for a multi-year commitment.
No long-term worries for me
(…other than the venue, and the question of whether Wang will spend more once that moment arrives)
I look at it as DiPietro cannot be counted on for the long-term, so anything we salvage there is just bonus.
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I'd just like to get to third, I'll take whoever falls...
Fowler seems to be dropping like a stone, I’m thinking Nino is looking good if we can’t get Hall or Seguine.
Jtpislanders2010
I have no issues with keeping quiet today.
You do not make a trade for the sake of making a trade. Snow was smart to stand pat
Keep in mind, Snow makes his noise during the Draft and in the summer and has been very quiet during trade deadlines with the exception of the Smyth deal.
by jtpislanders2010 on Mar 3, 2010 4:47 PM EST reply actions
oops lol subject line should say....
My thoughts on the deadline
by jtpislanders2010 on Mar 3, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Ha! Welcome. For your first post, we’ll allow this momentarily eponymous subject line.
Ultimately, I agree with you: I have no problem with things being quiet today. Always thought Sutton would be the only chip, with a goalie a possible second one if things worked out just right.
But fans on Deadline Day want action, so to that point I’m bummed. Entertain me, dammit!
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I agree with you guys, too. I despise the idea of making moves for the sake of making moves.
I hope some people realize that Garth COULD have been THE most active GM in the NHL… the Isles organization has the cap room to take back all sorts of big contracts, and they are brimming with cheap entry-level contracted talent and touted prospects who plenty of teams would be absolutely DROOLING over. They also could have given away anyone worth a shit for the pittances that teams are willing to part with.
Thankfully, he made it clear that the Isles are NOT trading away their players for 6th round draft picks and the likes of Bailey, Okposo, Tavares, Fransie, DeHaan, Hamonic, Anders Lee, Martin, Poulin, Ciske, etc etc etc etc are NOT AVAILABLE- or he politely told them to F off if they went and asked, anyway.
Some people might complain about that, but I am GLAD.
And, I am very happy that its looking like Roloson will be an Islander next season.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Mar 3, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
I hope some people realize that Garth COULD have been THE most active GM in the NHL…
Heh, you mean like Burke? (Seems like a lot of 6ths and 7ths went Toronto’s way…)
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DP
Has anyone considered the thought of buying out Ricky DiPietro’s contract? After the deadline had passed, it was brought up at a local radio station. DP has 12 years left. The Islanders, if they so desired could buy out the remainder of his contract, if they wanted to pay 2 million for 24 years into the cap hit. As a penalty, it’s years time two, and I’m not certain where the two million came from, but that’s 24 years to pay it off.
I think Biron has to be sorry he didn’t demand a trade. Finishing with the Isles doesn’t actually help his resume. Unless he intends to retire. (that is pure speculation)
I am glad however, that Roloson stayed. We still have a questionable defense, and a good backstop is needed for them. He is the kind of goalie you want to have playing a long stretch of games. With DiPietro’s fragile knees, hips, etc., you just don’t know if he is reliable.
Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!!
Hooray for Suicide Contracts
DP is a useful idiot on the books right now. He helps us get to the minimum. So buying out his contract wouldn’t do much good in the short term.
IDK, I would think they would be better off waiting it out...
I mean I hope this doesn’t go on much longer but either he gets healthy (doubtful), or he finally gives up and retires. It’s not like they need the cap space so they might as well just see how it plays out.
True dat
As well as AP’s cap floor point.
There’s no real rush to buy him out. His salary and cap number are not doing any damage right now, and considering the term, there’s plenty of time to gauge whether he can be operational again.
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Biron's gamble this year has totally blown up in his face.
I’m sure he figured either he would win the starting job, or be traded when DP returned. Instead DP comes back, he sits half the season, and then isn’t dealt so it was a total waste.
On top of that, with the flooded goalie market, he’s at risk of entering that Boucher/Emery/Esche KHL Zone. I wonder if anyone would have made him a starter last summer if his agent had better read the market.
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How??????
You can maybe make a case that it blew up on Birons face but Garths? Right now Rick is out again, and the Isles still have 2 competent goalies who they did not pay a lot for. I dont get it- what has “blown up” in Garths face in regard to this deal?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Mar 3, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wait
I read it again and I think you were saying the same thing I just said lol. OK then. ;)
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 3, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I meant Birons, however I don't think it worked out perfect for Garth either
I’m sure going in Garth had the same idea as Biron, best case scenario would either be DP comes back, and I can get a nice pick/player for Biron from a playoff team that needs a goalie, or DP doesn’t come back, and Biron steps up and becomes the #1 his talent suggests, or at least share the load with Rollie as 1b, and we sign him to an extension.
Certainly not Biron does not play well to start, Rollie takes over #1, Biron sits, than DP comes back, Biron sits some more is relegated to #3 for most of the season, loses all value, and then DP gets injured again, we miss the playoffs, Biron sits as Rollies back-up for the last 19, walks and we get nothing for him. He just wasted an asset, yes it was one he lucked out getting to begin with, but still a failure.
Buying Rick out does absolutely nothing to benefit this team. IF he can play, he will play here. If he cant, he will retire. You just dont buy a guy out in a situaiton like that, there is no REASON to!
And I believe Rick has 11 years left after this, not 12.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Mar 3, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
There was no point in moving Biron for less than a third rounder
and, with DP still having issues, I wouldn’t have moved Roly for less than a early second late first round pick. Don’t make a move for the sake of making a move. The only question for June is where we will finish in the lottery. If, as I expect, we finish third overall, several possibilities might exist. There’s the odd chance that neither Edmonton or Boston will pick Taylor Hall, the Isles could trade down a few slots to collect second rounders, or they could trade down with Anaheim for their two first rounders and their second. In any of these scenarios, the Isles would draft a star quality forward and then draft the best defenseman they can using one or more later picks. I am a little doubtful that they would be able to move both picks enough to get Nino and Gormley. They might move up one pick to get Nino and move the other back collecting picks and get McIlrath.
Why, honestly Rollie may play every game the rest of the season...
Ok maybe a stretch, but your talking 2-3 games max. Biron will not resign with Rollie here, if you were keeping Rollie it was moronic to keep Biron too, I would have taken a slightly used zamboni for him.
and if Roly was injured and DP was not ready to come back
how smart would getting a nothing pick look then? Maks perfect sense to keep Marty if others aren’t offering a decent return.
Monroe or Lawson would be fine, its not like we're going to the playoffs this year were in 26th place...
and they would still both be better than anything we had in goal last year when DP went down. Biron is worthless to us now, WORTHLESS!
And yes late round picks aren't great value...
but that doesn’t mean great players haven’t come from late round picks. Keeping Biron got us nothing, a 7th rounder is at least a chance at something.
Monroe or Lawson would NOT be fine as # 1 G
An almost worthless pick is not worth putting the team and its fans through as much as a month and a half of embarrassment.
As for the "embarrassment" we suffered through much worse over the past few years...
and the end result would not be much different.
they would not be fine for any length of time
this team needs reliable goaltending. Last year was a year apart as embarrassment goes and it was largely due to poor goaltending. Garth was wise to ensure that that will not happen again…especially if DP’s career is over.
It has reliable goaltending with Rollie...
not to mention Monroe and Lawson are more depth than most organizations have. Your entire premise is that it was good to keep Biron, just in case Rollie goes down in the final 18 games (doubtful) and DP doesn’t come back (probable), please they are in 26th place, 12th in the conference, even if we were in playoff contention, that would be a luxuary most teams wouldn’t bother with if they had no needs. We have a ton of needs, and are not going anywhere this year, a late round pick is better than nothing, and thats all we are going to get now.
he has more value as insurance for this year and next
than a late round pick would provide. Roly is 41 so an injury isn’t all that unlikely. If he were to go down, I would want a proven NHL netminder backing him up. Monroe and Lawson are depth goalies, not quality backups. Lacking a decent asset in return, keeping Biron was a wise precaution.
Biron might want to re-sign with the Islanders though, even as a definite backup. Next season Rollie is going to be a year older, DiP is once again up in the air, and your already comfortable with the surrondings.
Lets say Biron gets an offer to play in Chicago or Florida for a few 100K more then what the Islanders might offer him. So far in his career he’s played in Buffalo, Philly and LI. We aren’t talking about places which are thousands of miles apart. He might stay here for another season just cause its a good fit for him.
Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!
But look what happened to him this year he's #3, why would he want to be a #3, this is a goalie that had 29 wins last year...
who has very good career #‘s (hell they are better than Rollies). He will at least sign somewhere where he’s the clear #2 with potential to be #1, why would he sign with us again and risk another year where he winds up being #3 and get’s almost no chance to play, its career suicide.
This year he took a gamble by signing here, because he overvalued his price and held out to long, thats not going to happen again because he basically wasted a year of his career.
why would he sign with us again and risk another year where he winds up being #3 and get’s almost no chance to play, its career suicide
He would do it if he thinks Ricky isnt going to return to form. Roloson will be 41 and if Rick doesnt come back to form, he could potentially be thinking of cementing himself as a #1 here. Thats why.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Mar 3, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t make a move for the sake of making a move.
But thats exactly what some people want.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Mar 3, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Sutton
Well said Dom, I really don’t think Snow could have gotten anything more then he did. Rumors are Rumors are Rumors.
Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!
why can't DP stay healthy
I saw some guys move that would have been nice on D, maybe we could have given up a 4th or 5th round
Haha, saw this listed under Minor Moves
Toronto Maple Leafs send Joey MacDonald to the Anaheim Ducks for a 7th round pick.
Burke is a genius. I never would have given up a 7th rounder for the Mac
Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!
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