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On the topic of size, Islanders' lack thereof

Size, just like faceoff ability and so many blurry variables in the hard-to-compartmentalize game of hockey, is a tricky thing: You generally want it, because it generally helps win games.

But you can win games without it, and if you focus solely on one attribute, you end up with Adam Creighton (big and slow), or Oleg Kvasha (big and enigmatic, bad at faceoffs), or Nate Thompson (competent at faceoffs, but...).

Additionally, on the subject of size there is blueline size and forward size. Blueline size should help you battle opposing forwards. Forward size should help you battle both opposing defense and forwards. The Islanders, unfortunately, lack both. With the departure of Andy Sutton -- who, it's worth noting, battled Radek Martinek for Most Injured Islander status -- the only players on the Isles roster listed above 6'2" are Trent Hunter and two fourth-line wingers (though Freddy Meyer has played like he's 6'10" in recent weeks).

This complaint comes up here from time to time, most recently in comments after the loss to the Kings, and often after losses to the Flyers, of which there have been 15 consecutive (including shootouts). Why, even Scott Gordon finds Flyers games to be good occasion to admit the Islanders have a matchup problem there. Alas Trevor Gillies, called up for a few shifts in each of the last two Flyers games, is not exactly the answer.

Star-divide

The last three Isles losses to the Flyers were by one goal and could have swung either way via a variety of hockey's stat-defying variables; I'm not going to pretend having a few more bodies who were 6'3" in the lineup would have been the magic difference. But it helps.

It's something Garth Snow will have to address, but -- it being an ambiguous variable -- it's hard to know how and from where the solutions will come. But when Snow does address it, maybe someday we'll see a Flyers recap like this one, from Thrashers site Birdwatchers Anonymous after they swept the Flyers this weekend:

In the post-game show Sully was talking about how the Thrashers were 3-0 against PHI this season after managing just 4 wins against the Flyers in the nine previous years in franchise history. Sully credited the difference to the departure of Antero Nittymaki--which certainly has helped--but I would suggest that the addition of huge players like Antropov, Kubina and Artyukhin allowed the Thrashers to match up much better. It is a lot easier for a guy like Bryan Little to play with courage and passion when he has a giant teammate out on the ice rumbling with the Flyers along the boards. In the past the Thrashers were usually man handled by the Flyers, but not so tonight.

Note: But this is what I mean when I talk about the ambiguity of size's virtue: The undersized Islanders can't beat the Flyers, who the Thrashers with a little more size can finally beat soundly, yet the Islanders have handled Atlanta, taking this season's series 3-1 (one shootout win) and outscoring Atlanta 18-15. There is no magic formula, or else those former GMs wouldn't be working in TV.

Still: Throw Matt Martin in, throw in another big winger or two (and a big defenseman) who can help create more room for John Tavares, Josh Bailey and Frans Nielsen, and maybe we'll be singing from that hymnal.

That'd be nice.

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Well I was thinking of size for next season (e.g. Will Joensuu pan out?). But sure, the entire pipeline needs it. Won’t know if it receives any until the end of June.

Lighthouse Hockey: What's wrong with lotteries? I've been in lots of lotteries.

by Dominik on Mar 22, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't surprise me to see both of these guys make the roster

for whichever team is fortunate enough to draft them. They are so big anyway and have been coming up so fast. Nino, esp, seems quite driven to keep going to the next level.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 22, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No silver bullet

I’ve commented a number of times that the Isles need more size to compete effectively. I certaintly didn’t intend to suggest that it was all they needed or that they just needed size for the sake of size. Teams need a blend of speed, skill, and size to match up with anyone. The problem comes when you have to much of any one element and you become vulnerable to clubs that can expose you. Like Serrano (major league) whose bats were afraid of curveballs. You need enough size and toughness to keep other teams honest and to play a tough grinding game when necessary but you also need enough speed, skill, and finish to play an uptempo game when that gives you the best chance of success.

by Styxcanada on Mar 22, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Indeed
The problem comes when you have too much of any one element and you become vulnerable to clubs that can expose you.

This is where it will be interesting, assuming Snow sees the size as a real issue. (And that’s sort of what I mean by the blurry nature of these variables.) Finding the right balance is a challenge, particularly if you’re limited by whom you acquire (whether by trade partner or luring through free agency) and what you can afford.

This is another area where Moulson was such a nice find — he can handle battles along the boards and in front of the net.

Lighthouse Hockey: What's wrong with lotteries? I've been in lots of lotteries.

by Dominik on Mar 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

serrano

“hats for bats – keep bats warm”

by nullzero00 on Mar 23, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big doesn't matter when no hitting is involved

When even the Anaheim and LA broadcasters mention that the strategy is to cycle down low to take advantage of the Islanders lack of size then it really is obvious how much they need a big shutdown defenseive pair. To have the luxury of Langevin and Morrow once again would be outstanding.

Size matters depending on the physicality of the team being played, in the case of Anaheim or the Flyers, they play an aggressive game and have players that hit out of their weight class. Against them you need to be able to withstand the punishment or at least overpower a player once in a while. So Atlanta may play small against the Islanders, but it can help Atlanta take the hits from the Flyers.

by Hockey1919 on Mar 22, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said
So Atlanta may play small against the Islanders, but it can help Atlanta take the hits from the Flyers.

Absolutely. I’m actually curious to see future Atlanta-NYI battles; they’re always interesting (despite the stigma), but the last several meetings have been marked by “outside the gameplan” mistakes by either side.

Lighthouse Hockey: What's wrong with lotteries? I've been in lots of lotteries.

by Dominik on Mar 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW watch out for Atlanta

I have a feeling that trading away Kovi and getting players as talented as Bergfors and Oduya may have been the best thing that could have happened to them. If they beat Boston tomorrow, watch out. With Ottawa and Boston going south and Philly looking to join them with Carter out, only Montreal stands between them and fifth seed where they would play—wait for it—-NJ. They beat NJ and go on to the Conference title game and, among other things, Lou’s little pick flip stratagem will have come to naught. Would be really excellent if Atlanta and PHX played in the Finals.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 22, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

P.S.

Oh yeah, and on the topic of shutdown defensemen — this is why I’m really sad to see AMac hurt for the rest of the year. He impressed me, but I wanted to get a better look at how he handled a variety of teams in tough-minute situations. He’s hardly huge, but he can hold his own physically and his instincts seem very smart.

Lighthouse Hockey: What's wrong with lotteries? I've been in lots of lotteries.

by Dominik on Mar 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

A-Mac

I couldn’t believe how poised Andy looked in the games he played this year. I think he can eat up a lot minutes for us if he stays healthy next year.

by MatthewM11 on Mar 22, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was eating up a lot of minutes this year, for a good chunk of games his IT was higher then Streit’s by 2-3 minutes

Come on Isles! 11-0-0 or 10-0-1 I'm not picky! Playoffs!

by Mark D on Mar 23, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope Martin makes the team out of training camp next year. That will be a start as far as addressing size and physicality. We really need some big physical defensemen as well now that Andy Sutton is gone. I think Garth should address the need for size in the draft and also sign some big big guys as a stop-gap while the drafted guys develop. We could use a lot more hitting and some fighting as well. There was a time when Hunter would finish in the top ten of overall hits but I think age and injuries have caused him to cut back on hitting a bit. I’d like to see us get a Cal Clutterbuck type of players- a guy who dishes out tons up hits and can score as well. I think Martin can be that type of guy for us.

by MatthewM11 on Mar 22, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Can someone explain to me this fascination around here with Martin? 6"2, 192 is not exactly big in today’s NHL, and even if we call him 6"2, 200, that’s still not imposing size.

by AP77 on Mar 22, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

6'2" 192... PLUS

You have obviously only seen those numbers on paper… Martin not only IS bigger than the 192 in the press guide, he plays a lot bigger.
Some of his hits in BP have been epic. He may not be 6’ 6" 245. like that second round draft pick we got…. but he will bring something we haven’t seen in a while to offense.
Joensuu plays big too, but I think his skating hinders his impact. Hopefully. that will improve, becasue he definitely shows the will to play physical… but he hits more like Hunter.
They really need to address the size needs on the blue line. The forward problems are starting to work themselves out from previous drafts. They need to spend some of that cap space on replacing Sutton.

Jesus would probably turn the other cheek too… but in a league where everybody walks on water I bet you couldn’t get a third rounder for the lord at the deadline.

by JPinVA on Mar 22, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, but I think that playing a punishing game in the AHL against inferior competition is a lot different from the NHL level. Most NHL power forwards come in the 6’3, 220ish range. And it’s not exactly like Martin is setting the AHL on fire. . . .

Now, he’s still young. He could conceivably get up to 215ish. If he could do that without losing speed in the process, that would be more interesting.

by AP77 on Mar 22, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Martin is also a late bloomer physically so it is conceivable there is more room for him to grow. I remember on the broadcast the night he debut, Jaffe said his father and brother were both 6’2"-6’4"ish and in the 260-270 range, so he comes from a big family.

And really, you’re calling Martin undersized because he’s an inch shorter than your “Typical” power forward? Sure he’s not Ryan Malone, not many players are that big, but he’s the same height as Scott Hartnell and taller than Raffi Torres, two pretty good power forwards when they’re on their game.

We're doomed. Doomed!

by David Hanssen on Mar 22, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I think his height is more or less ok. It’s the weight. If he can get up to 215-220, he might be on to something.

by AP77 on Mar 22, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most NHL power forwards come in the 6’3, 220ish range. And it’s not exactly like Martin is setting the AHL on fire. . . .

From what they’ve said, 215-220 is his likely and realistic target. And a big factor for me is he plays a “big” game, which is lacking on this team.

Now, whether that appetite for physicality turns him into a frequently injured Hunter-type down the road, that’s the risk. But since physical players with hockey competence aren’t plentiful, I’ve got hopes for him to pan out.

Lighthouse Hockey: What's wrong with lotteries? I've been in lots of lotteries.

by Dominik on Mar 22, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joensuu knows his skating is an issue and has worked hard to try and fix it. This past off season he hired former Finland long track speed skater Janne Hanninen to help him. I love this about JJ and why I think he will be a very good NHL player, he knows where he needs to improve and goes out of his way to try and fix it. You want that mentality on your team.

I know a lot of people are down on JJ, but he’s still 22, this is his 2nd season in North America and big guys tend to take longer to develop. I think he will be a regular contributor on the Isles next year, bringing his size and solid all around game.

We're doomed. Doomed!

by David Hanssen on Mar 22, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe and Sue went up the flue..

I wasn’t putting JJ down. I actually am excited about seeing a lot more of him next year. I feel that his game should evolve into that of Vasicek on the wing rather than up the middle. I may have been looking at a totally different player, but I always felt that JoVas was built like a truck and played like a truck (besides the period where he was nursing two facial injuries). Unlike, Kozlov, who was built like a truck, but played like a Volkswagen… and still had a career season with the Isles.
I think JJ will get a good look next year, and if Petrov does make it to NA, maybe we’ll see a true power line emerge… Lee(I’m over-projecting), between JJ(Awesome if he winds up having top six hands) and Kirill(who knows).

Jesus would probably turn the other cheek too… but in a league where everybody walks on water I bet you couldn’t get a third rounder for the lord at the deadline.

by JPinVA on Mar 22, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That last paragraph wasn’t necessarily pointed at you, I know from past comments you’re pretty positive on JJ.

As for the Vasicek comparison, I can see it in both size and play. The one thing is I think JJ might put up slightly better offensive numbers than Vasicek because he goes to the net, which usually translates into more scoring opportunities.

And I wouldn’t call Lee over projecting, it’s just going to take him a while to get to the NHL since he will be a Frosh in college next year.

We're doomed. Doomed!

by David Hanssen on Mar 22, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not filled out yet but for me its more the way he plays. He gets in front of the net. He hits. He fights. I don’t see him as a top six guy who is ever going to score 20+ goals but as a bottom six guy who will chip in some offense but provide energy and hitting. I’m not sure I would classify him as a power forward. More of a Steve Webb type with more offensive upside. I don’t know if you got a chance to watch the games he played for us this year but he definitely showed a great deal of promise. Don’t expect this kid to light any league on fire, at least not offensively. That’s just not his role.

by MatthewM11 on Mar 22, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very very few NHLers are 230 lbs (and none of the Flyers are). >95% of NHLers are 180-220lbs. For the simple fact that if youre to big you don’t have the speed/endurance and if your to small you don’t last. It would be extemely difficult to keep that type of bulk on and play this type of game unless your are extremely tall

Its not only size but what you do with it…. On paper Hunter, Gillies and Jackman are the same size. Comeau is the same size as moulson etc. These guys aren’t the same size on the rink though

by neologizer on Mar 22, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Oleg Kvasha (big and enigmatic, bad at faceoffs)

Enigmatic is a nice way of putting the way Kvasha played. I would call him more invisible than enigmatic.

We're doomed. Doomed!

by David Hanssen on Mar 22, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I pulled from my Diplomat’s Thesaurus for that one. Actually, it was rushed anyway: The less time I spend thinking about Oleg, the better.

Lighthouse Hockey: What's wrong with lotteries? I've been in lots of lotteries.

by Dominik on Mar 22, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

In my opinion the only thing that matters is how good you are. Sometimes being big contributes to a player’s game but that should be evident in his statistics (taking +/- into account or some other defensive stat). The idea that a player who is big, but doesn’t score goals or get many assists and who has a lousy +/- is somehow helping the team in some intangible way is folly. If he’s helping it will show up in his stats (again including defensive stats). Teams regularly play inferior players over superior players that are available because of an obsession with size and intimidation. Its such a common mistake that a study showed that the biggest busts in the NHL draft overwhelmingly turn out to be big players who didn’t have great numbers at lower levels but GMs were overly enamored with their size.

I want to say right now that what Garth Snow should care about is one thing and one thing only and that is how good the player is. Again size can help a player be better if he has skill to use his reach, his mass etc, but if a small player is putting up better numbers (again, including defensive #s) the smaller player is the better player. Just take the better players, no matter their size. Maybe you need a Semenko or McSorley to keep the dirty players on other teams honest, but beyond that its all about how skill.

by TMS on Mar 23, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Size < Skill < Skill+Size

I don’t think anyone’s saying that you just need size, period, are they? Of course size doesn’t help without effort (Kvasha) or skill. And on that note, it doesn’t help unless you use it.

The larger question is: Since size plays a (sometimes ambiguous) role, shouldn’t Snow be on the lookout for some skill who plays a bigger game? Or, all else being equal stats-wise between two potential targets, wouldn’t he pick the more physical body to fill a a hole in the roster?

Lighthouse Hockey: What's wrong with lotteries? I've been in lots of lotteries.

by Dominik on Mar 23, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who?

Lighthouse Hockey: What's wrong with lotteries? I've been in lots of lotteries.

by Dominik on Mar 23, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

say cheese

or chocolate or watches or Nino. Who says the Swiss just make goaltenders and defensemen?

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 23, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone’s saying that you just need size, period, are they?

I think there actually ARE some fans who feel that way.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Mar 23, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I appreciate the argument that you need to balance out your roster

I just don’t agree with it. If the best players available or the best deals available are for small players, should Snow keep looking until he finds a decent pickup with size? I say no. A resounding no. If the best player we can afford happens to be big, fine get him. But if the best available player is small, get him. Having a small or big or mixed team doesn’t matter at all, in my opinion. Having a good team is what matters. Its like when a baseball team picks up some mediocre player because he’s fast and the team lacks speed, instead of getting a better available player who is slow. Its a mistake, in my opinion. I think any team will do best to just put together the best players they can get (with consideration for position of course – you don’t get 10 goalies because they’re available when you need D-men).

I understand the argument for needing big players. You ‘get pushed around’. Yes if your team is small the other team will try to hit you into submission. They will likely outhit you in most games. Probably every game. So what? The question is will they outscore you? If your guys are faster and more skilled you can get outhit and win consistently. Wayne Gretzky was outhit unmercifully. Still a team full of Gretzkys (at forward) would almost never lose and they would never, ever outhit the opposition. Of course a lot of big players are very good. I’m not opposed to big players. I’m just saying you don’t need them. Take two players, B and S. In this case S is the better player. When you combine everything they do, S contributes more to winning than B. If B is a more physical player, this means that the advantages that S has MORE than compensate for his deficit in physical play. If that team is already small they may take B instead of S thinking that they are small so they need the size. In my opinion this would be a mistake. They will still be better off with the smaller better player despite his deficit in physical play and despite the fact that they are already a small team. Of course I know this is not what we hear all the time but I believe its true. I hear all the time about how you need to be ‘hard to play against’. There is some value to that but what’s really hard to play against, even if not in the sense of physical pain, is a team that is really good at skating, stick-handling, passing and shooting. That’s hard to play against. Anyway I realize I’m in the minority on this but its what I believe.

by TMS on Mar 23, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Wayne Gretzky was outhit unmercifully

Actually not so much and not because he was a beast but because anyone taking a shot at him had to go through Semenko and McSorley. In fact, Gretzky insisted on McSorley and Mike Krushelnyski being part of the trade when he went to LA. A team full of Gretzkys (or, more reallistically, a team full of undersize skill players) would get pushed around all over the ice and would never have the space they need to create. You do need balance. If you look at any Cup winner, you will see it.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 23, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, but that man made people miss a lot too…

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by bob l on Mar 23, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Semenko and McSorley

definitely were the reason the other teams didn’t lay dirty or late or excessive hits on Gretzky but they did try to hit him when he had the puck, it was just very difficult to do. Gretky himself almost never hit anyone so his ratio of hits to being hit was low even if he didn’t get hit much.
   I don’t think most of the time that big players ‘make room for’ small players. Its not like they are blocking in football. You make room mostly by moving the puck quickly and moving without it. I’m not so sure a line of all small players would ‘get pushed around all over the ice’. Most cup winners have balance but most teams have balance, at least to an extent. Its rare you see a team that is all small, but that’s probably because its statistically unlikely that the best 20 guys you can find are all small or even mostly small (by NHL standards). Being big really helps most in front of the net. It also helps along the wall but in front of the net is where you get the most benefit from being big. Small guys can crash the net too though. Of course a team without big players wouldn’t be great in front of the net but its not like the other team would score on every rebound or the small team would never score on one. Yes they’d lose the overall battle of the front of the nets and along the wall, but could their other advantages more than compensate? I don’t know. My argument assumes that the smaller players would be better elsewhere because I’m only saying to go for the smaller guy if he’s better overall. The Islanders don’t have a big bruising power forward (Okposo is pretty strong and agressive, so is Bergy but neither are really big by NHL standards, you mentioned Hunter but he seems to be on the downward slope of his career) but I just don’t think they should go out of their way to get one like its a hole that needs to be filled. They need to get better, in any way possible but I don’t think they should worry about getting bigger.

by TMS on Mar 23, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can debate this endlessly

but Gretzky didn’t get hit very often because other players knew what would happen. But find me a Cup winner that did not have a fair amount of big men on both ends of the ice.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 23, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its just my opinion BCISLEMAN.

I don’t find the cup example to really negates the argument.

by TMS on Mar 23, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we're mostly on the same page
If the best players available or the best deals available are for small players, should Snow keep looking until he finds a decent pickup with size? I say no.

That’s not really my argument, though (if you were replying to me). I’m saying there is a tier of elite players you acquire no matter what their size; then below that there is the large middle or bell curve of average players in the league, and in that case with all things being equal, the Isles should look at some size upgrades.

I understand the argument for needing big players. You ‘get pushed around’. Yes if your team is small the other team will try to hit you into submission.
That’s actually not my biggest concern, although I know a lot of people share it. I’m not so much worried about being pushed around or “intimidated” — and certainly I don’t care about having some Semenko or McSorley around in 2010. My desire is more to have a guy for each line who is apt to successfully dig in the corners and help keep “softer” skilled linemates from being eliminated by an opponent’s decision to make a game a perimeter trench battle.

I do think you need some form of “balance,” though, particularly to slog through the playoffs. Even high-skilled, puck-possession Detroit cannot do it without players who play “big” — and guys like Datsyuk who are talented and small but not easily manhandled are one in a million.

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by Dominik on Mar 23, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It pissed me off when Pronger pushed Tavares into the glass

about a mile behind the play, when Tavares wasn’t looking. That’s really what made me mention Semenko and McSorley. I think Tavares lost a tooth. That’s BS. The play was a mile up the ice and some grinning goon like Pronger knocks a tooth out? What a scumbag.

by TMS on Mar 23, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The play was a mile up the ice and some grinning goon like Pronger knocks a tooth out?

And doesnt even get a penalty for it.
Because, you know, Pronger is normally such a GENTLEMAN.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Mar 23, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohhh-ho-ho I was filled with rage by that. Just because it’s the typical douchey thing that the hypocritical Pronger does in the name of “tough” hockey and gets away with it. This guy talks about “the code” and letting players “police themselves,” yet he’s made a living on that side of his game via dirty stickwork. But a Semenko doesn’t help much against him, because he just about never fights.

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by Dominik on Mar 24, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

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