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What the 2010 Draft MIGHT Look Like: Part 1

This is a preliminary view based on likely draft order and what Hockey's Future has assessed as organizational needs for each team. Edmonton will finish last but could go down one peg in the draft via the lottery. Any of the teams on this list could shift a spot or two either way. I expect that this will be the complete list of the bottom 14 but it is possible that Detroit or Boston could slip so I have projected their likely picks as well.

Star-divide

 

1) Edmonton  Taylor Hall

Edmonton's one area of organizational weakness is at right wing and drafting Hall would move Magnus Paajarvi Svensson to #3 at left wing so a trade is not impossible. In all likelihood, however, the Oil will pick Hall.

2) Boston  Cam Fowler

The greatest strength in Boston's VERY deep system is at center. They have a few centers who could probably start on some other teams. On the other hand, although they have some nice defensive prospects as well, they do not have any of elite quality and Chara's deal ends next season. Plus they have what promises to be a mid first round pick and several second rounders to address the other weakness at wing. Although I put Fowler's name in there, it is certainly possible that Boston would prefer Gudbranson or Gormley.

3) Islanders    Tyler Seguin

If, as I expect, the Isles pick at 3 and Seguin is still on the board, he is the guy. The Isles do need another top four defenseman, but this draft is loaded with potential top fours and I can only assume that Garth gave up all those picks for DeHaan because he wants to groom him as the team's future #1. Apart from that, although center is an area of strength for the Isles, Seguin projects to be a better center than anyone currently in the fold.  The one caveat to that is that Anaheim and Ottawa badly need an elite quality center and have the assets to make attractive offers.

4) Columbus   Brett Connolly

They badly need an elite quality right wing.

5) Carolina      Kirill Kabanov

Ditto

6) Florida         Erik Gudbranson

They don't have any glaring organizational weakness, but defense is the area where they are least strong and, happily, the best player available at this point is on defense.

7) Dallas         Brandon Gormley

Even with drafting Ryan Ellis last year, they still need to stock up at defense.

8) Tampa        Mark Pysyk?

They have added some blue chip talent, including Big Victor. They still, however, need a skilled puck moving defenseman. If they miss out on Fowler, Gudbranson, and Gormley, a trade down may be in order. A team with a surplus of puck movers with a late round pick might be able to move up into the top ten via trade with Tampa.

9) Anaheim      Emerson Etem

At this point, neither Peter Holland or Kyle Palmieri have delivered as promised for Anaheim and they are still looking for an elite quality center to presumably plug into their second line. They also might go with Mikael Granlund, but they have had a preference for bigger guys.

10) Rangers     Vladimir Tarasenko

Given the Rangers'  need at right wing, their likely draft position, and their prediliction for Russian wingers, this is a no-brainer. I would almost favor the trade down with the Ducks just to see the look on Sather's face when we pick Tarasenko just ahead of their draft spot.

11) St Louis       Jack Campbell

St. Louis is VERY strong at every position EXCEPT goal and Campbell is the only goalie projected for the first round.

12) Minnesota    Alexsandr Burmistrov

The Wild need a top end wing.

13) Atlanta           Nino Niederreiter

Waddell has been looking for talented big men up front.

14) Phoenix        Teemu Pulkinnen

They are weakest at right wing.

Boston and Detroit have needs similar to Minnesota, Atlanta, and Phoenix. Their picks should not be very different.

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the fact that HF has connolly at 4 gives me pause to further analyze this…
is this your view based on their scouting?

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 19, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

No

I approximated the order of drafting based upon McKenzie’s top 30. I used HF to determine organizational needs. I have seen Connolly in the top five in a number of places.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 19, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

talent-wise yes, but this was the kid with all the injuries we chatted on a little bit ago

NY Islanders Hockey: Where MRI's are addictive

by bob l on Mar 19, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

True but

the other two top RWs are Russian and I am guessing that Columbus will want to look to North America after Filatov. Plus Kabanov has also missed a good part of the year due to injury and Tarasenko is still on the other side of the pond. Pulkinnen has had injury problems and is also still in Finland and under contract for another year with Jokerit.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 19, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whither Mikael Granlund?

Granlund’s fall from Top 5 pick at the beginning of the season to not even considered in the Top 10-15 range is baffling to me. All he has done is put up just under a point per game playing against men as a 17/18 year old for HIFK in the SM-Liiga (13/26/39 in 41 games), lead Finland in scoring at the WJC and pretty much did everything that was asked of him. He also has a strong pedigree coming out of the same junior program at Karpat that produced Jussi Jokinen, Janne Pesonen and Joni Pitkanen. I know there are questions about his size (5’10"/180), but I think he can be a superb play maker in the NHL.

We're doomed. Doomed!

by David Hanssen on Mar 19, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually McKenzie has him at #10

It is entirely possible that Anaheim could break with recent tradition and draft a small center like him. Also, St Louis has a penchant for Scandinavians and might pass on Campbell to take Granlund with the idea of picking a goalie later in the draft.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 19, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler Seguin will more than likely land in Boston

The Bs need goal scorers and will more than likely draft a D with their own first round pick.

I figure us picking about fourth depending on how Carolina fares. I haven’t looked at their schedule yet.

by Chickendirt on Mar 19, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

They don't need centers

and unless they figure on converting Seguin to wing, I doubt it. If the lottery flipped their pick with the Oil or the Oil went for Seguin instead, I could see them going for Hall. But they don’t just need a quality defender, they need a franchise-quality defender and none of those will be available with their second pick. There should, however, be some quality forwards available when they pick again. They do have two second rounders and could possibly trade up to get one of the top three defenders, but that really isn’t their style.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 19, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

They need goal scoring

That’s been the talk of this Bruins team all season long. It has nothing to do with the Position Seguin plays. It has everything to do with what that team needs.

And after watching Chiarelli work the trade circuit he is none to shy about turning a surplus in one position to fill a need in another.

Here’s how Boston stands at center;

Savard, Marc

Krejci, David

Bergeron, Patrice

Begin, Steve

Sobotka, Vladimir

Marchand, Brad

The outcome YOU WANT is what has determined your draft order. It’s far from an objective assessment of what is likely to happen. And looking at the Bruins Cap situation they would be more than happy to draft Seguin and allow their centers to battle it out. As it stands right now Bergeron is far from the player he was before he took that head shot. Don’t let the fact that he now leads the Bs in scoring fool you.

This Bruins team, as it stands right now, has only one twenty goal scorer.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/teams/bos/stats

by Chickendirt on Mar 19, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bruins needs are determining my order

They are strong at center, weak on the wings, and have no elite defensive prospects. The only way I see them drafting Seguin is if they feel they can convert him to wing. And he may not even be NHL-ready anyway….at least not for a contender like Boston. If they (1) find Hall on the board when they pick (2) are supremely confident of re-signing Chara or (3) feel they can convert Seguin to a wing, they may not pick defense first. These three (Hall, Fowler, and Seguin) were considered close enough by EJ McGuire that he said that a team would be justified with focusing on its needs in deciding which to draft.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 19, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they are so strong at center then explain why not one of their centers has netted a minimum of 20 goals this season

Your injury argument doesn’t hold water. Click on the link at look at the games played. Given the fact that their roster has only 20 goal scorer on it right now it’s no too much of a stretch to say that no one’s job on that roster is safe.

It’s just as feasible, not mention entirely realistic, to assume they draft Seguin, trade either Bergeron or Krejic for another Dman. Not to mention save Cap space in the process.

Sequin is still better than any prospect they have at center or D in their system. Boston can easily use their later first rounder to draft a D. You can hit with a Defensemen in any round at lot easier than you can find offense. We’ve done a pretty damn good job at that ourselves.

When you have two first round picks as Boston does you can afford to take the best player available in the upper portion of a given round and draft on need later. As a matter of fact, we’ve had a GM here that went with that same strategy (drafting purely on need and pass the BPA) and is still a league wide laughing stock for it.

by Chickendirt on Mar 20, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The injury argument more than holds water. Not only have Savard (29 games and counting) and Bergeron (10 games) lost significant time to injury, but without Savard in the line-up everyone’s play dropped off. With Savard, Krejci, Wheeler and Bergeron averaged roughly a point per game, with Savard out their production was cut in half.

Beyond Savard, Krejci and Bergeron, in the system they have ’08 1st round draft pick Joe Colborne, ’08 2nd rounder Max Sauve, ’07 1st rounder Zach Hamill and former St. Louis prospect Carl Soderberg all waiting in the wings at Center. With 2 out of their last 3 1st round picks at center and the long term investments in Savard, Bergeron and Krejci I would highly doubt that they would select Hall or Seguin center if Fowler was available at 2.

We're doomed. Doomed!

by David Hanssen on Mar 20, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are weak at LW

I think they might go for Hall if he is available. I doubt he will be though. They will not likely draft this early again any time soon. Their two great needs are a LW sniper and a franchise defender. If Hall is on the board when they pick, it is a choice. If not, they go for their pick between Fowler, Gormley, and Gudbranson.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

None of the defensemen we have drafted later than the first round

are ever likely to be a #1 defender. We used all those picks to get De Haan for a reason. BPA is a good rule of thumb but it doesn’t really apply here. EJ McGuire has very pointedly said that Hall, Seguin and Fowler are so close that a team should look at their needs and draft accordingly. Seguin may prove better than Colburne but I doubt he will be that much better that they would want to pass up a franchise defender. Their logical picks are either Hall or Fowler.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bryan McCabe was not a first round pick

Neither was Hamonic who could be a solid 2-4 if all goes right. Dehaan Was drafted 12th which is about 4 spots higher than Boston is set to pick right now.

Boston’s system has one Center that is set to be a top six forward, Colburn. And that guy has major holes in his game. Seguin would be a massive upgrade in that department based on what’s in their system and his potential is higher than where Savard, Bergeron and Krejic are right now.

Having a lot of depth at center does not translate into having a lot of character at center. Boston’s issue at forward and on the NHL level is a lack of pure goal scorers.

You are also UNDERSTATING their depth at D. Yuri Alexandrov may be comparable if not a rank higher in terms of potential to Hamonic. His skating is the best aspect of his game. He also like to hit and is only going to get bigger.

Boston has for other Ds in their system that not only have the potential to be a top four but have size to go along with it. They also have plenty of other muckers and grinders (about five) to fill in the holes where they need it.

The Bruins are not pressed in any way shape or form to pick a defensemen with their top three pick. Again, your analysis here is driven by what YOU WANT. It’s in no way shape or form an complete objective assessment of the Bruins needs.

This draft, although deep, is going to be like last years draft. EXTREMELY off the board. Like last season where MSP fell down to the tenth spot and host of other players went in different positions, this years draft will be no different. There are plenty of players that are gonna fall back to where Boston’s later first rounder is. They will be able to pick up a quality defender.

To win in todays NHL you don’t need a traditional #1 defender either. You can fill your roster out 3s and 4s and have plenty of success. This is not the eighties where you needed your Potvins, Borques and Coffeys if you expect to win. It is actually much more cost effective to go with a squad of 3s and 4s. Those guys will cost you about 3.5 to 4.5 per vs having to retain one #1 at about 7.5 per.

by Chickendirt on Mar 21, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not understating anything

They have some nice prospects, but no one who is going to be a #1—which they do need. They rely on defense and that would be true even if they were scoring more. Alexandrov may well be comparable to Hamonic and that proves the point. Hamonic will be a nice #3 or #4. He is not really a top two on a good defense.

Boston does lack a pure goal scorer and very much needs a LW sniper—not a playmaking center. If they can get Hall, they will. If not they will likely get the best defender they can and then get a couple of LWs with their next two picks. The only potential top two defender likely to fall back to the mid first round will be Pysyk and I doubt that he is who they are looking for. Fowler, Gudbranson, and Gormley will surely be gone by then.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

To win in todays NHL you don’t need a traditional #1 defender either. You can fill your roster out 3s and 4s and have plenty of success. This is not the eighties where you needed your Potvins, Borques and Coffeys if you expect to win. It is actually much more cost effective to go with a squad of 3s and 4s. Those guys will cost you about 3.5 to 4.5 per vs having to retain one #1 at about 7.5 per.

You’ve made this argument before. I disagreed with it then and still do. For one, I don’t agree that a bonfide #1 has to cost as much as you suggest. I would classify Markov and Streit that way and they aren’t in that range at all.

You DO need a bonafide #1. Even Pitt had Gonchar who has seen his better days and is not the player Mark Streit is but can still be considered a legit #1. Perhaps I should say could. He has fallen off this year and I doubt Pitt will re-sign him.

You DO need a bonafide #1 to lead the defense, to log the big minutes, and to help set up the PP. Look at the best teams today. Of course, Boston has Chara. Washington has Green. The Devs have Martin. Philly has Pronger. Chicago has Campbell. LA has Doughty. Phoenix has Jovo. SJ has Boyle. The one top team that follows your ideal is Vancouver and they rely on Bobby Lu.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bruins have had an unusual spate of injuries to their best offensive players. That would reduce the potency of ANY offense. Your list ignores their depth organizationally.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/boston_bruins

As you can see, they are quite deep at center, but not on LW. They would LOVE to be able to draft Taylor Hall and Matthew M11’s rumor would be their dream come true…as long as they can re-sign Chara. As Seguin is a righthanded shot, I doubt he can be readily converted to LW.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 19, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

and with the way Carolina is playing

they will likely finish several spots ahead of us. I suspect that our game with Columbus will play a big role in determining whether we or they will be #3.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 19, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just read somewhere last night (wish I had the link or more details, sorry) that Kevin Lowe and Edmonton are favoring Seguin at this point. I hope you are right about Boston taking a defensemen but I just don’t see them passing up Hall if he was available.

My question for you, bcisleman, is if Seguin and Hall go first and second, and the Islanders get the third pick, do you favor them taking Fowler or Gormley or a forward like Connolly, Kabanov or Tarasenko?

I’m not really sure at this point what my preference would be. A big, mobile two-way defenseman like Gormley or Fowler (or even Gudbranson) would no doubt be usefull for the organization. I think those are all relativly safe picks as well. But the prospect of having more speed and firepower up front is enticing as well.

by MatthewM11 on Mar 19, 2010 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t trust any rumor about who the Oil are favoring. I would believe that if Lowe, Tambellini, et al hold a press conference and say that, not until. Yes, the Bruins are weak at wing and would likely go for Hall if the Oil pick Seguin—especially since Hall is probably more NHL-ready than Seguin.

If neither Hall or Seguin are on the board when the Isles pick, I would favor one or two trade downs and get Nino and then use the picks to trade up and get McIlrath.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 19, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be more than satisified with Nino and McIIrath.

by MatthewM11 on Mar 20, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nino and McIIrath

Also…if we end up somewhere between 4-7 would you favor picking Nino outright? Thing is I see him going pretty quick and I think trading down could be risky, as he not be available. What is McIIrath ranked? Could he slip to the second round? I would doubt it based on his size but I also haven’t seen him play.

by MatthewM11 on Mar 20, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garth said it was a crapshoot

Rumor has it that Minnesota wanted De Haan last year and assumed we would be drafting Kassian when they traded the #12 with us. Garth would have to assess the field behind him and decide whether to risk it. He did well in 2008.

Actually what McIlrath has in common with Seguin and Nino is that he has come UP out of nowhere. Seguin was going to be more of a mid first rounder, Nino was going to be a late first early second, and McIlrath was looking like a second or even third rounder. Now Seguin is looking top three, Nino is looking early to mid first, and McIlrath is looking late to mid first.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m also curious why you have Tarasenko going so low. He is playing in the league that is probably the closest approximation a draft eligible prospect can play in to the NHL and is his teams third leading scorer to boot. Is there concern with him coming to North America?

by MatthewM11 on Mar 19, 2010 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

!) The needs of the teams drafting earlier

2) The quality of the players being picked over him

3) His lack of experience with Nort American hockey

4) The fact that he is over there and may be hard to get over here.

This last may be most crucial. There is a reason why the Rangers go for these guys. The big NY team with the big wallet can draw these guys across the pond a lot easier than a small market team which is in the top ten for a reason.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 19, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes sense, thanks

by MatthewM11 on Mar 19, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

a few other notes

Kabanov actually shoots right and McKenzie has him as a RW, but Moncton lists him as a LW. I suspect like Nino he is capable of playing either wing.

As to Boston, this is a very deep draft. There are a number of very fine LWs—where Boston is weak—who will likely be available when Boston uses its second pick in the mid first round. McFarland, Howden, and Galiev for example. And Victor Ohman may well be available when Boston uses its Toronto second rounder. Unless Hall is somehow on the board when Boston picks first, I believe they will pick their franchise defenseman of the future because even if Chara does re-sign with them, he will be 34 at the end of next season and at present they really have nobody to groom to step into his skates.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 19, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

If Boston wants Hall

I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see them make a move to flip picks with Edmonton. They could easily offer Edmonton one of those second rounders to move down a spot. Boston takes Hall, Edmonton takes Seguin and the Isles/Jackets/Hurricants have a decision to make. Fowler seems to be the consesnus top D man but it’s close enought that I wouldn’t mind seeing the Isles trade down if they got good value under this scenerio. I’d prefer they take Gudbranson a few picks later and add some size to this lineup.

by Styxcanada on Mar 20, 2010 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Boston might TRY to lure Edmonton

but Edmonton would have to feel really strongly about a move that gave up Hall as their fans seem to be expecting him as their reward for a really horrible season. Also, I doubt Boston would trade picks. They tend to make use of the picks that they have. They have been rumored to want to move Ryder. They might offer him to flip the pick. Doubt it will happen though.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was listening to Brian Burke being interviewed on Sirius/XM NHL channel today. He said his philosophy going into the draft is to ignore his organizations positional needs and draft the best player available, regardless of position. You have to figure many other GMs go into the draft with the same mentality, including maybe Boston. They are lousy with talented centers (even if they all seem to be having off years) but as someone pointed out I think Seguin has a higher ceiling then anyone playing for them now. Instead of drafting a defenseman to replace Chara (with all the inherent risks associated with any 17 y/o prospect) they could trade a Bergeron or a Krejci for an established defender. Again I hope you are right BCisleman because I would love to see a Hall or Seguin on the Island.

by MatthewM11 on Mar 20, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Higher than Savard?

Dunno about that. BPA is a valid rule if there is a vast difference between the players, but EJ McGuire emphatically said that Hall, Seguin, and Fowler are so close that a team SHOULD look at what their needs are. Boston’s needs are a franchise defenseman and a leftwing sniper. Seguin is neither. Your comment about risks applies as well to Seguin as to Fowler. Actually it applies to all as well but he is the one considered most likely to hit the ground running of the three.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Higher than Savard...

Maybe. I admit that I am optimistic about prospects to a fault. I fully expected Berard to be the second coming of Orr and Tim Connolly to be our next LaFontaine or Turgeon. As I’ve gotten older I’ve become a little more realistic but still tend towards the higher end of expectations when it comes to prospects. All kidding aside though, I think Seguin could be a regular thirty goal fifty assist guy; which I think would make him pretty close to being as offensively valuable as Savard, not to mention he projects to be a pretty well rounded player. But really I don’t think the question is whether he, in his prime, will score as much as Savard did in his prime; but whether Savard’s best years are behind him and if it makes sense to trend towards youth and draft Seguin and trade Savard for a younger but already established defenseman.

by MatthewM11 on Mar 21, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

Yeah I didn’t mean to imply Seguin was any less of a risk than Fowler, and think that Fowler may be one of the safer picks this year. I only meant that Boston might rather trade for a top defenseman instead of taking the risks of drafting one and hoping he will reach his potential. There would be the same risk with Seguin but with two or three other quality centers its not as vital to the organization that he mature and reach his full potential.

I just want to say that overall I agree with what you’ve written I just like play the devils advocate.

by MatthewM11 on Mar 21, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Centers also take time to develop

unless they are outright prodigies. Seguin is good, but I suspect that he would be 1-2 years in Boston’s system before he ever skated for the big team.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seguin may become as good or better than Savard

but its not likely that he will be any where near as good during the first year or two of his career. It is not realistic to suppose that Boston could draft Seguin, trade Savard, and remain competitive next year. Hall, on the other hand, is a LW and the consensus is that he is more NHL-ready. Not sure just how NHL-ready Fowler is, but with his talent and the Bruins’ depth on defense, he could probably see significant TOI next year without hurting the team.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I think compared to Fowler and Hall Seguin is probably the least NHL ready. He is almost a year younger then Hall and has less time in juniors. The point I was making was that with there depth at center vrs. defense they could maybe afford to wait with Seguin and still trade a center. Savard, Bergeron and Krejci are all top six centers on most NHL teams. I think we are agreed that if given the chance they would snatch up Hall in a heartbeat, the real question is whether they take Seguin or a defenseman if Hall is taken by Edmonton. as far as the Islanders are concerned, I really don’t have too strong of a preference between Seguin, Hall or Fowler; or a trade down to get multiple picks. We really need help across the board so I don’t think we can really go wrong here. (besides the obvious of taking a bust) And of course with the lottery theres no way to know how things will fall on draft day.

by MatthewM11 on Mar 22, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...

I’m curious if you see Fowler as the number one defenseman in the draft, or if you think Gormley or Gudbranson could usurp him on draft day. Your thoughts on those three guys? I like the fact that they are all big kids. something the Islanders could definitly use and something I don’t think we have enough of in our pipeline.

by MatthewM11 on Mar 22, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My choice

and I suspect Garth’s would be Gormley. The chief reason is that all the reports indicate that he’s got that all important one square foot of real estate between his ears in good order. He always seems to know what he’s going to do with a puck before he gets it and is never out of position. Has been compared to Lidstrom.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 22, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way to know for sure

Any team’s internal assessment of its needs and the abilities of the various prospects available may well be quite different from what you or I might think based upon published reports. By all accounts, this is especially true of Boston. They might think Kabanov is a better long term prospect than Hall or Gormley as better than Fowler. They might see Seguin as not being much if any better than Colburne. Objectively their needs are greater at LW and for a #1 defender than for a center and one of the best known of NHL scouts has said that the three players in question are so close in talent that a team should focus on its needs. That is the basis for my draft order.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 2:32 AM EDT reply actions  

OBTW

the point may be moot in the end. Toronto has moved to four points behind us in the standings. If they had beat us at the Coliseum, they;d be tied with us.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

One factor that I had not considered

is the 2011 draft. Is it weak? Yes, but there are still some quality picks to be made early and the first rounder from Toronto is likely to be an early one again. Here is an analysis of possibly the top five players in that draft:

http://thepipelineshow.blogspot.com/2010/01/top-5-tuesday-2011-draft-watch.html

Couturier sounds like another Lucic and Larsson is being projected as better than Hedman. Of course, while the Toronto pick is sure to be a good one, there is no way to be sure whether it will be good enough to draft either of these players. Still, Boston will no doubt consider them as it contemplates its pick this year. Not sure if Couturier is the LW sniper Boston needs, but Larsson certainly sounds like a franchise-quality defender.

My analysis remains the same. If the Bruins can get Hall, they will. If they do, they may still stock up on quality LWs with their mid first round, early second, and late second round picks. They can then hope to be in position to get Larsson next year. If they cannot get Hall, they pick the best defenseman they can and draft LW with the one or more of the remaining picks, thinking to get Couturier next year.

As to FA, this is actually a better year for LWs than defense. If they can dump a salary and pick up Frolov, that might solve some of their scoring woes.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I would love to get Sean Couturier or Adam Larsson but lets hope if we do get a crack at any of these guys next year its by trading up and not because of the standings!

by MatthewM11 on Mar 21, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I would love to get them as well but...

I was referring to Boston having a shot at one or the other of them with its Toronto first rounder next year…which may or may not be low enough to get either of them.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 21, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that another first round pick from the Kessel trade? Fuck that was an awful trade on Torontos part

by MatthewM11 on Mar 22, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course, the worm is still turning

Toronto is on a winning streak. I suspect that one of their unspoken goals is to reduce the value of those picks as much as possible. If we go into a funk and the Bolts keep dropping like a stone AND the Bruins fall out of a playoff spot…the Toronto pick this year could be a number 4 and their own pick might sink to number 10. And there’s no way to know what the #1 from Toronto next year will be, but it will probably be a top ten.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 22, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see your point. Boston might take next years into consideration when assessing their needs headed into this years. I was saying that I hope we as Islander fans are not in the same position next year where we are analyzing the top three prospects headed into the draft. (In other words I hope we aren’t one of three worst teams next season) I hope we are looking at mid first rounders unless we get a high first round pick through a trade.

by MatthewM11 on Mar 22, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

By the way, BC, your FanPost has been linked to by ESPN Insider under a post called, “Oilers set sights on two of top three picks.”

Lighthouse Hockey: What's wrong with lotteries? I've been in lots of lotteries.

by Dominik on Mar 29, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

He makes a valid point about Hall and Seguin separating themselves

VERY recently EJ McGuire was saying that Fowler belonged in that group. Even with that, however, my proposal looks sane and reasonable compared to the idea apparently floating around Lowe-Tambland. Any GM that would trade a shot at a player like Seguin, Hall, or Fowler for any combination of players on the current roster of the Oil should be shot two or three times at dawn!!! Now if you changed that to their prospect list and threw in Svensson and Eberle that would be another matter.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 29, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually

if Boston’s pick fell to #3, they might trade it for Paajarvi-Svensson given their weakness at LW and hope to get Larsson with their Toronto #1 next year.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 29, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

What did the report say?

I don’t get “Insider,” as they usually charge readers for dubious info available elsewhere. How the Isles could possibly play a role in Edmonton’s pipe dream would require, as you say, someone to be shot on sight.

Lighthouse Hockey: What's wrong with lotteries? I've been in lots of lotteries.

by Dominik on Mar 30, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

According to a report in the Globe

Edmonton has floated the idea to Boston several times of sending Penner and one or more other players to Boston for their Toronto pick. The moron writing for the Globe noted that B season ticket holders would burn their tickets if such an idea were accepted by Chiarelli and then proceeded to endorse it!. Apparently it is also possible that Edmonton would try to make such a move for the #3 pick and get Hall and Fowler (or perhaps Seguin and Fowler).

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/articles/2010/03/21/onus_is_smack_dab_on_players/?page=4

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Hockey+World/2735294/story.html

Now a trade of Paajarvi-Svennson for the #3 and Fowler might make sense for both clubs. If the Oil has Hall, they don’t really need MPS and Fowler could make it easier to move Souray for a pick. MPS would fill a big need in Boston’s system and they can hope to get Larsson next year with Toronto’s 2011 first rounder.

This piece Insider dug up might be of some interest.

http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/diamonds-and-ice/2010/03/26/nhl-clubs-checking-out-riders-aneloski

Aneloski might become another Klementyev and that wouldn’t be bad.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 30, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Islanders psych test revealed

Love this:

"It was 128 questions," Aneloski said. "One of them was something like ‘In the future, where would you like to live? In the woods by yourself or in the suburbs?’"
I’m not sure I’d be Islanders prospect material.

Lighthouse Hockey: What's wrong with lotteries? I've been in lots of lotteries.

by Dominik on Mar 30, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

The one trade that the Oil that might interest me

if we had the #2 would be Eberle and Plante for that pick. It would bring back our long lost 2007 first rounder along with a very talented center. Of course, it would not interest Edmonton I am sure.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 30, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

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Josh Bailey 12 C 10/2/1989 188 6-1
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Rick DiPietro 39 G 9/19/1981 210 6-1
Mark Eaton 0 D 5/6/1977 204 6-2
Mark Flood 4 D 9/29/1984 190 6-1
Bruno Gervais 8 D 10/3/1984 205 6-1
Trevor Gillies 14 LW 1/30/1979 215 6-3
Michael Haley 59 C 3/30/1986 202 5-11
Jack Hillen 38 D 1/24/1986 200 5-11
Trent Hunter 7 RW 7/5/1980 210 6-3
Milan Jurcina 0 D 6/7/1983 236 6-4
Anton Klementyev 48 D 3/25/1990 198 6-1
Dustin Kohn 56 D 2/2/1987 200 6-2
Zenon Konopka 0 C 1/2/1981 213 6-1
Andrew MacDonald 47 D 9/7/1986 188 6-1
Matt Martin 46 LW 3/8/1989 192 6-2
Radek Martinek 24 D 8/31/1976 203 6-1
Matt Moulson 26 LW 11/1/1983 206 6-1
Frans Nielsen 51 C 4/24/1984 172 5-11
Kyle Okposo 21 RW 4/16/1988 200 6-1
P.A. Parenteau 0 LW 3/24/1983 198 6-0
Joel Rechlicz 40 RW 6/14/1987 220 6-4
Dylan Reese 42 D 8/29/1984 195 6-0
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Rob Schremp 13 C 7/1/1986 200 5-11
Jon Sim 16 LW 9/29/1977 195 5-10
Mark Streit 2 D 12/11/1977 197 6-0
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Doug Weight 93 C 1/21/1971 196 5-11
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