An Early Look at Islanders UFA Targets
[Editor's note: This is a FanPost we can probably chew on for several weeks. Thanks for doing the legwork, mdelbags.]
I apologize for jumping the gun on this but I'm a teacher and have been giving standardized tests all week, so I've had a lot of down time to day dream...I figured I might as well pass the time by playing Isles GM and take a peek at every available UFA for this summer. We already have a resident Draft expert in BCISLESMAN...so I'm applying for the UFA job.
I started out just printing out a list of all the players set to become unrestricted free agents (nhlnumbers.com) at the end of this season. I then constructed a list of players that I would like for the Isles to attempt to sign. That list was way too long to make any sense of so I created another list attempting to target players that may fit a need that the Isles will have this summer going into next season. I broke the needs into separate categories in order from most pressing to least and numbered the players based on my preferences. When selecting players I tried to keep age and salary in mind. I tried to stay away from players well into their 30's unless the need was for a veteran and steered clear of the obvious All-stars (there are no Kovalchuks, Marleaus, Lidstroms or Nabokovs here). That type of player just doesn't seem to make any sense for where we are in our rebuild.
Please correct any misconceptions or misplacements I have made as I'm sure there may be quite a few. Who did I forget...who should I have omitted?
I am in no way suggesting that the Isles should try for every player below, but I do feel like Garth should at least attempt to sign one player from each category.
This is also assuming that the players below all want to come here (why wouldn't they?) and will not be resigned by their own team prior to becoming a free agent (small assumptions I know).
Parenthesis show current ages and this season's salary in millions according to nhlnumbers.com
Solid stay at home shut-down D-man
It seems that most of us agree that the Isles D need a very quick upgrade and although I know we have many young prospects that we hope will fill those spots soon, this can never be counted on. A tough, mean shot blocker and crease clearer that can play big PK minutes(Witt before he began to decline) will help the Isles in so many ways that to me, this is the most important need.
- Anton Volchenkov: (27; 3.2) His agent should probably be the first guy that Garth calls on day 1 of free agency. The question is how far above his current 3.2 mil salary should we go?
- Willie Mitchell: (32; 3.5) He's a bit expensive making 3.5 mil this season but he fits all the above attributes (and he can skate!)
- Jay McKee: (31; 0.800)
- Jason Strudwick: (33; .700)
- Paul Mara: (29; 1.675)
- Nick Boynton: ( 32; 1.5)
- Milan Jurcina (26; 1.375) Maybe the perfect pick-up after we're out-bid for Volchenkov
Back-up/ 1B goaltender
Who knows what's going to happen to DP but I'm ready to move on. Yes we've got some solid looking prospects but for the sake of next year we'll need at least a competent back-up for Rollie if the Isles and Biron decide to part ways. So why not give a guy a (or another) chance that at one time was the future of some other teams' goalie plans?
- Dan Ellis: (29; 2 mil)
- Chris Mason: (33; 3 mil)
- Peter Budaj: (28; 1.250)
- Curtis Sanford: (29; 0.600)
Puck-moving D-man
Yes back to the defense. Even if we sign a player from the first group we'll still need another puck mover. For this category I tried to focus on guys who seem to be just on the cusp of making a big step who also had reasonably small paychecks this season and wouldn't require much of a raise (or we can just resign Freddy Meyer IV...not that there's anything wrong with that....seriously).
- Kurtis Foster: (27; 0.600) I wanted the Isles to grab this guy last summer but Tampa got him for a song. He plays in every situation, including the powerplay and he can be physical as well.
- Zbynek Michalek: (26; 1.5)
- Jordan Leopold: (28; 1.750)
- Dennis Seidenberg: (27; 2.250)
- Carlo Colaiacovo: (26; 1.4)
Hard-skating Grinders
(bonus points for having a mean streak)
The fact that the Isles seem to get pushed around alot and very rarly initiate the pushing has been discussed quite a bit lately. Maybe we need to add a player or two that plays the game (not a goon) on the edge. Or how about a player that just really annoys players on the other team (you know like Jon Sim only...effective).
- Raffi Torres: (27; 2.75) former isles draft pick is just entering his prime...he's got playoff experience and he plays the game with a snarl.
- Matt Cooke: (30; 1.200) I hate when the Isles play him but I'd love him if he were an Islander.
- Fernando Pisani: (32; 2.500) I was suprised to see he only had 14 PIM last season. He always struck me as a hard skating grinder but maybe he doesn't belong in this section.
- Arron Asham: (31; .640) I actually hated this guy when he was on the Islanders for taking so many dumb penalties but he meets the criteria and he plays RW
Veteran Two-way Forwards
(bonus points for being willing to mentor the kids)
If the Isles don't re-sign either Weight or Park there will be a big need for some veterans that can help on the ice as well as the locker room. A guy that can play 3rd or 4th line minutes and help out on the PK would be key.
- Jere Lehtinen: (36; 1.5) To me he would instantly help our struggling PK as well as provide team oriented leadership
- John Madden (36; 2.750) This guy always seemed like a tool to me but perhaps it was just because he was a Devil for so long
- Manny Malhotra (29; .700) Good salary, good rep as a team guya and good faceoff numbers
- Jeff Halpern (33; 2.0)
- Glen Metropolit (35; 1.0)
- Scott Nichol (34; 0.750) Did you see that hit on the Colorodo d-man in the playoffs?
Depth Forwards
(only if they are good team guys)
With Martin and Joesnuu having a good shot at making the squad next season this may not be much of a need but if Sim, Tambi, Weight, and Park all don't return then we may have a need for some depth at F.
- Adam Burish (26; .725)
- Eric Nystrom (26; .775)
- Colby Armstrong (26; 2.4) this guy always seemed to me like he should be an Islander.
- Chris Higgins (26; 2.250) will have to take a pay cut but he still has potential
- Brandon Bochenski (27; .550)
- Ryan Vesce (27; .550)
Depth on Defense
(aka please take Gervais' roster spot)
This may not be necessary as well but there were some interesting d-men that didn't make it to the above lists so here they will go. Sign one of these guys and who knows maybe we'll get another Martinek...umm but without all the injuries.
- Sheldon Brookbank (28 .550)
- Christoph Schubert (27 .900)
- Aaron Johnson (26; .540) didn't realize he was still so young
- Lukas Krajicek (26; .700)
Ok, so that's my stab at being Garth Snow...
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Nice
Thanks for compiling this, mdelbags. I made a couple formatting tweaks before front-paging. Love the categories.
For starters, among those defensemen, I wouldn’t touch McKee or Strudwick, but I’d love going after any of the other three, particularly Volchenkov, of course. Agree that should be Garth’s first call.
In that grinder group I’d take Torres or Asham and tolerate Cooke (I hate him, oh how I hate him). I bet Torres will be pricing himself high after the goals he put in this year, but as long as it’s not a crazy contract it could be worth it. And of course I wouldn’t say no to Nystrom.
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I still have my doubts that Torres would come back here. I mean obviously its a different organization and its 10 years later, but I get the feeling if he has a choice he’d take less money and a cup contender.
Please NBC, Fire Milbury, Hire Roenick Full time!!!
I'd bet you're right
After toiling for several bad teams in a row, I don’t know why he wouldn’t shop for contenders. But you never know (same with Volchenkov, really — would he come here?), so certainly he’d be on my call list.
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I love Raffi
But I can see him hurt, and too often.
He does profile as a candidate for the perfect storm bad contract: Hurt a lot, puts a career year together in his walk year (on a bad team, no less) as he nears age 30 (okay, he’ll only be 29 in October, but still).
I’m keenly interested in what his market will be like this summer; at least in the pre-cap days, he’s the type that would get a silly free agent deal.
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If I’m correct, someone of CBC’s trade deadline crew (Glenn Healy?) was pretty sure Torres would be signed by the Maple Leafs this summer… And I might even remember Brian Burke talking highly of Torres indeed, but well, not sure anymore if it was him indeed…
That sounds familiar. If that’s the case, I hope they overpay him.
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Thanks for the formatting tweaks by the way…I wasn’t really sure what I was doing and I was just hoping that it would actually post in the right place.
Just out of curiousity why wouldn’t you touch McKee or Strudwick?
McKee scares me because of the injuries that kept him out (and eventually bought out) in St. Louis, though to be fair it looks like he’s rebounded alright in Pittsburgh. I just worry about mileage and whether a good team around him has covered up warts. He was always smart, I just fear the ol’ “lost a step” factoring in.
Strudwick I haven’t watched in quite some time, but every time I see a reference to him on team sites, it is not good at all. But I was never a believer there. I fear that in a tough-minutes defensive role he’d be overmatched, and in a depth role it’d be a toss-up between him the next Kohn-type fill-in from the AHL.
Just my subjective opinion though. I hope for two very solid veteran D additions this summer — even if all their youth turns up roses, that vet presence would be key if they’re serious about making the playoffs.
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I’m curious, since you said No All-Stars for obvious reasons. If for some reason Garth could get a big name star and not destroy the whole cap in the process, what single all-star would you like to see him pickup?
The Lemieux Curse lives on, will the Islanders reach 2013?
For me its a non-starter becuase going after any other really big ticket, All-Star UFA would kind of go against everything that the Islanders have been going for the past two years. But just for winks and giggles it’s always fun to imagine a superstar offensive powerhouse playing for us so I’d go with Kovalchuk. I’ll stop there though becuase if I say anymore I may convinice myself that we shuld indeed make a play for him.
Snow on the rebuild
Relevant to this topic: If you didn’t see it, Snow did an (actually informative!) interview with Howie on MSG. Chris Botta helpfully transcribed it.
I swear just when I get frustrated and whine, they throw us a bone. He discussed strategy going forward (he believes in Kohn), including adding two D-men over the summer.
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(And I know Snow’s interview won’t please a lot of people; but for the moment, I’m just happy to hear a little more elaboration from the horse’s mouth.)
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This is exactly what I needed to get back on Garth’s side. After the Sutton trade and the Botta thing, I got a little sour on Garth. He needed to clear the air a bit, show some direction. I still don’t understand the need for secrecy of “The Plan”. GS mentioning the need for 2 D-men finally gave us a glimpse of where he stands. The Playoff comment is finally some expectations. I anticipate a fun Summer.
It was nice to hear a few concrete targets like that. I could handle more, but it was a start. A little bit of clear communication goes a long way.
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Agreed
Personally, I am very happy that Garth A- is sticking to the plan (because its the right thing to do), B- said the Isles need a couple of big defensemen (HELLS yeah they do) and C- expressed rising expectations regarding next season- and said he is expecting playoffs instead of just hoping for it.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 12, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Snow says a big D-man
I read Snows interview and he suggested that they need a big D-man as if that would rectify the Ilses issues with size. I tend to think that the brutal stats in the third period (we have the worst differential in third period goals in the league) is directly related to the lack of size through out the lineup. The smaller squad we have works hard but just gets worn down by the end of the game. We need only look at the Oilers to see what a lack of team size can lead to. I think we need to be bringing in a few bigger bodies to help the club hold up under the physical toll the game demands.
Think I’d take a pass on Matt Cooke, his recent hit on Savard and his own team mates suggesting he should have been suspended may be very telling for how well liked he is in his own dressing room. The Isles lack of a physical presence means that any agitator will just be stirring up trouble they can’t handle (until said agitator gets beaten to a bloody pulp because there is no one who can stand up for him).
Sim
True. It’d be nice to have one more or one who can play a more important role (not necessarily “agitator” but someone who makes other teams uncomfortable. Sometimes Bergie does that, sometimes not. Presumably Matt Martin will).
In that Florida audio interview for NHL Live, Snow mentioned pending Isles UFAs “in no particular order” but neglected to mention Sim. Don’t know if that was oversight or a hint that he’s not on the radar. (He wasn’t talking about which ones he’d re-sign, of course, but just going through whose contracts were up.)
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If we got no one else
Volcenkov should be the guy. As much as I would like to see us draft Nino, if Garth drafted Kabanov and was able to buy out Petrov’s contract and get him here, that might help convince A-Train to take the LIRR and hop on the bus to Uniondale.
Of course, a good draft AND good news about the Isles’ future (I’m lookin’ at you Charlie W.) would go a long way in luring FAs in any event, don’t doscount the possibility of some offseason Moulson no-name magic. One guy SI mentioned was Swiss national forward Roman Wick. If nothing else, signing Wick to join Streit and maybe Nino would go a long way toward making Toblerone and Emmenthaler the official Islander snack foods and would have made my Swiss grandmother smile were she still with us.
Agree we need the A-train. Very few teams can afford him and we are one of those teams that also really needs his physical presence. I think we should get Nino but not with our very likely top 3 pick or pull another Bailey because stockpiling picks shouldn’t be our goal this draft. Trading a Seguin to Anahiem to then get Nino and Kabanov/Grubland with their two picks would make more sense if Nino was our guy. I think Garth can do it again and get another Moulson/Striet this year.
by rockhouse15 on Mar 12, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Volcheckov at what price and duration
It seems that many agree that he should be our 1st priority but what about the type of contract we should offer…should we make him our highest paid player? If yes how much higher?
he should at least be comparable to Streit
and at 27, if we can lock him up for 5, that would be perfect.
Yep, his bargaining position should be greater than Streit’s was, and after the Komisarek contract I bet he will be in that territory. Which is fine with me.
You’re going to break the bank a little when you shop the premium section (which is why I only advocate it when there’s a clear need that the org can’t fill). If the price went over $5 per, though, that’s the area where I’d have to think long and hard (and ask how long the term is).
Since the Isles aren’t a premier destination, Snow may have to aim high right off the bat, or risk just being a bargaining chip that Volchenkov uses to get higher bids out of others. (Heh, now excuse me while I catch my cart, which has sprinted well ahead of my horse.)
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Striet is making 4.1. My fear is that if we offer a comparable contract to Streit we won’t get him because he’ll probably get higher offers. The flip side is I would have a hard time making him the highest paid player on the team and I’d rather not have him than to be stuck with a disgustingly large contract ( like Redden and the Rags)
I know, that’s what sucks about UFA. It’s by nature an expensive market, so even if you’ve stuck to an internal salary scale, you’re going to break it.
But I think you’re right — Volchenkov is going to get higher than Streit, so if you need the piece that badly, you take the plunge. Makes for interesting consequences a few years down the line when all these good youngsters come up for extensions, but there’s so much unknown between now and then.
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How long, how much
Above five in either salary or term would worry me, but I wouldn’t whine if it took more than that to get it done. Like rockhouse said below, we certainly have the room just to get to the floor.
One of the variables for me is what the Isles’ self-imposed cap will be. If we’re just going to be a floor team for the foreseeable future, that limits things. But if Snow’s professed permission to spend is for just such an occasion as this (i.e. paying a little more to get an essential piece), then open the wallet. Presumably the blueline in a few years will feature Streit plus some very promising but cheap talent from the system.
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This team will probably finish with the second or third overall pick
One option might be a trade down. My impression is that Ottawa will not be able to re-sign A-Train. If Ottawa is interested in trading up, they may be willing to allow us to speak with A-train and, if he will sign with us, add Brian Lee, who has never realized his potential, and perhaps Peter Regin—so Frans has someone to talk Danish with and not just anyone but his Danish national team linemate. Add a 2011 pick to their first rounder, probably in the 15-20 range and call it good. A five year deal in the $20-25 mil range would be OK. We can probably still move that pick up into the top ten and get Nino or Kabanov. Get a decent quality big physical defenseman with our second rounder. If Garth doesn’t feel that Mikko or anyone else in the system is ready to backup Roly, sign Ellis or another 1A and maybe a few lesser depth signings and this team should be ready to make a legit playoff bid.
This team will probably finish with the second or third overall pick
Maybe but I really dont think so. I think they will pick like 6th overall. Thats my guess.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 13, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
only way I see that happening is if JT starts scoring in bunches
otherwise second or third—with an outside shot at winning the lottery and getting the #1 overall.
The standings are really so close — 21st is as close to 28th right now as 29th is to 28th. Tough to call now. Weird stuff happens when bottom-feeders realize their playoff hopes are over and they audition newbies.
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winning today rules out #2 except by lottery love
given there schedule, I do not see them going above third.
Were going to have to give someone a big contract to stay above the floor. I think if we manage to give him 5 million or at worst 6 for 4 years we’ll be in great shape. We’ll still have money in the future for other ufa’s and pay for our rfa’s, (a.k.a. Okposo, Scremp, Bailey, Tavares) without having another Chicago situation. Also this will make it so his contract will expire so we can sign these guys when they become ufa’s and want more similar to what we did with Striet.
definately D
but I am not sure if it is better for a stay at home or ouck mover. If we go for Volcenkov then we are basically getting back a guy lik eSutton. we could always bring back Sutton. I think Gervais and Meyer and becoming good stay at home D. MacDonald also so this may not be the biggest problem, I would like to see Kohn and MacDonald add a few more Lbs.
I like Foster he has put up some points and maybe working with Stamkos helps him work with JT. If not Foster, I liked Colaiacovo last night. He seems like a good player the 2 or 3 times I have watched him. I think there is too much on Streit, and we could use a 2nd D at the point. Using Weight at the point is good but sometimes we need to change it up and give a different look.
Sutton: A mole?
Maybe we sent Sutton in as a mole to bring Volchenkov back with him. :P
I like Colaiacovo, he might excel in a bigger role. His injury history does make Andy Sutton’s look like Doug Jarvis though.
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There were a couple of guys I was curious as to why you left off. Hamhuis, Joe Corvo, Pavel Kubina, Jurcina and Klesla. I was really impressed with Hillen and Amacs development this year but I dont know if they can go with that many D-men that small (not to mention Meyer is another one).
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Thanks for joining. Ooooh, Kubina would be nice, too. I wonder about his asking price since he’s already at a $5 million rate. (There are also reports that he’s negotiating an extension with Atlanta.)
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good additions
I think you are right on with Jurcina…I should have had him on that first list (he actually may be a great alternative to getting into a bidding war for Volchenkov). I didn’t add Kubina or Hamhuis because I figured they’d price themselves out of what I imagined the Isles would be willing to pay, but they would look great on our blueline. Klesla will not be a UFA this summer (at least according to nhlnumbers.com). Corvo struck me as too high priced for what he brings to the table at 2.75 mil. I always viewed him primarily as a PP quarterback but not much else…but on second thought that was the prevailing view of Mark Streit before he became an Islander and that turned out pretty well.
don't think we need a veteran G
I am happy if we stay with Roloson and bring up a guy from Bridgeport and then cut DP
dunno what you mean by cut
we are stuck with DP until he retires. I think Mikko’s injury precludes relying on the system for a backup. Doubt any of them are ready for that.
Um, there is no “cutting” DiPietro.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 13, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
My Wish list
Nice compilation mdelbags.
My perfect Islander summer would be:
2 of either Sutton, Volchenkov, Leopold, Mara
Eric Nystrom
Raffi
Great overview!
Really sharp, mdelbags.
Looks like we have consensus: Volchenkov is at the top the wish list. (If I had the mad p-shop skillz of Down Goes Brown, I’d have a fake Amazon page up before you could hit “refresh”!) Either Halpern or Malhotra would be good additions (think Dave Scatchard-lite). You’d never have to worry about either of them in your own end, and they have more size and speed than most of what we’ve got on hand in those roles now. Also, either of them can play a wing or center, which gives you flexibility with Franz “Selke” Neilsen. ;) Add Matt Martin or Jesse Joensuu to that mix and we have the makings of a great shutdown line 5-on-5.
Dream scenario (new guys are bold):
G, Roloson, a healthy RDP (hey, I said dream, right?)
D, Volchenkov, – Streit; Hillen – Foster; MacDonald – Martinek; Kohn/Gervais/etc. as spares/inevitable Martinek injury sub
1st line: Moulson – Tavares – Okposo
2nd line: Bailey – RSH – uhmm… Comeau? (still just 23)
checkers: Halpern – Neilsen – Asham
4th line: Martin – Malhotra - Joensuu
spares: Sim, Jackman, Thompson, et als.
I think this would be a solid squad, competitive for the playoffs (and IN them), and not inflexible for the day that Hamonic and de Haan are ready. It is also unlikely that we could sign five FA’s, however. I mean, if that’s the dream scenario, then screw it, I want Kovalchuk on the top line. Moulson – “Detlef” Schremp – Bailey is just fine, and Comeau can drop to replace whomever else we didn’t actually sign over the offseason. But in any case, I think the shutdown D is the most important, followed by one of Halpern/Malhotra, who can play any forward spot and is reliable defensively. Franz needs the help, and especially if he starts playing PK instead of Park, whom I don’t see in the mix. If we could possibly find a taker for Trent Hunter, it would free up the necessary salary to afford the replacement.
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Few things that I wondered after reading that
I wonder why Joensuu keeps getting pencilled in while Jackman keeps getting called a spare? Nothing wrong with optimism but the truth is that Joensuu has not yet shown he can do as much as Tim Jackman has done. He himself would be the first one to agree.
I wonder why you think there is a need to dump Hunter in order to “free up the necessary salary” when he isnt paid all that much AND the team is at the cap floor, anyway?
Also- why is Thompson on the “spare” list? He left this organizaiton months ago and is playing under the palm trees lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 12, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Palm trees... white sand.... gulf storms....
Yeah, kind of blanked on Thompson. I think it was the three forwards on a line symmetry. No, ok, I think I screwed it up, LOL.
For your other points: I’m trying to look forward. I think Joensuu has the higher ceiling than Jackman and is ready to try some everyday NHL experience. If not I have no trouble with swapping them. Jackman is fine.
Regarding Hunter, he’s a slow skater, rarely uses his size to any sort of advantage, and can be replaced cheaply. By himself he’s not pricey… but that extra $1.25 million is better spent elsewhere. If nothing else, it’s money for KO and JT after their entry level contracts expire.
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Where's our first rounder?
If Bailey played as a 9th overall, I’m sure 5th overall or better will be in the lineup, as well.
Heh, was thinking about that, too. If it’s one of the top two forwards, have to bet he’s here. But if it’s a D-man, he’s probably not here. Bailey was a really special case, though, because of how much they loved his character.
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we will probably have the 2nd or 3rd overall
that will give us a shot possibly at Seguin who might make the lineup unless we trade down. Given his size, Nino might be the only other player—aside from Seguin and Hall—who has a realistic shot at making the team for this coming season.
I dont think so.
I think theres a good chance the Isles arent in the bottom 5.
We will see.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 13, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
we will
look at their schedule. I’ll be surprised if they get a single point in these next three West coast games and after that, apart from two against the Rangers and one against the Flames who are both fighting for their playoff lives, the only games against non-playoff teams are against Atlanta who recently demolished them and the Jackets on their ice.. They’ll likely finish in the 3 spot unless JT goes nuts.
I don't know why JT has to go nuts
The last two games, it’s been secondary scoring. Take any week, it could be Comeau or Okposo or Frans or Bailey. This trip should be rough though; Anaheim’s the likely hope for some points.
I just think this stage of the season gets too unpredictable. Teams implode at different points once their destiny become clear (or alternatively, go on a tear when the pressure is off). Atlanta demolished them, but that could be a fluke, because the Isles did quite well against them before that and Atlanta may be flushing their year away now.
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he has to go nuts because this is such an up and down team
they look like gangbusters for a couple of games and then they go into a funk where they couldn’t beat the Ice Girls. Immediately after the West coast trip, they get the Rangers and the Flames. They could easily go 0-5-0 in the next five.If he were to start scoring a couple each game over that stretch, they might steal a couple.I don’t think it will happen and it is just as well as I want that #3 pick…with maybe a shot at better.
I dunno
The Isles have had a weird dark-horse thing going for them against western conference teams all season I’d be more surprised if they didn’t come out with at least 3 points
not likely
The Canucks will clean their clock. They MIGHT get a point against the Ducks but they will likely lose to the Kings as well.
I return to my original point
this is a jekyll and hyde team. They go an eternity in which they cannot buy a win, followed by a couple of games where they look like world beaters, and then they return to original form. My guess: they go 4-8 the rest of the way and finish with 75 points. Best case: 6-6 and 79 points.
No doubt
I have no delusions of a perfect streak here, nor do I expect them to suddenly turn around and be a team they haven’t been all season – my only assertion is that their flukey bouts of success have seem to come against the West, so I didn’t (and still don’t) think a hot trip on the left coast is out of the question.
Well okay, I think LA will cream them but I feel like the boys have a decent shot against Anaheim.
they were already on one of their mini-surges
and the idiot from the Province got them agitated. The one thing that could really change the equation would be for JT to go on a season ending hot streak. That and Roly really getting hot could win them some games that they should have lost…but it still will likely not get them into the playoffs.
I have no dreams of playoff appearances I’m just rooting for the Isles to win as many as they can as a point of pride.
my preference
win both games against the Rangers, the Flyers game, and the Flames game…lose every other…give us 75 points and Tyler Seguin.
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Back-up/ 1B goaltender
Who knows what’s going to happen to DP but I’m ready to move on. Yes we’ve got some solid looking prospects but for the sake of next year we’ll need at least a competent back-up for Rollie if the Isles and Biron decide to part ways. So why not give a guy a (or another) chance that at one time was the future of some other teams’ goalie plans?
Dan Ellis: (29; 2 mil)
Chris Mason: (33; 3 mil)
Peter Budaj: (28; 1.250)
Curtis Sanford: (29; 0.600)
^ This is the one part of your informative post where I completely and totally disagree. The absolute last thing I think the Isles goaltending situation needs is another trio situation. Like it or not (and I take it you dont) the fact is that Rick WILL still be part of this orbganization for the forseeable future… and he WILL get starts. Bringing another goalie in will benefit nobody and improve nothing. This organization has a lot of promising players who can fill in as a backup if there is a time when Rick cant do it.
I really, REALLY hope that this organization does nothing except hold on to prospects like Poulin as far as goaltending goes. We have Roloson- and for that I am very, very thankful.
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Biron
Wouldn’t mind seeing him back, given he’s willing to do this situation again. Also Rollie has a high probability of being traded next season if he continues doing as well as he has.
The Lemieux Curse lives on, will the Islanders reach 2013?
why aren't bridgeport G competent,
they got to get called up and start playing so that one can take over when Roloson is done.
I am done with DP, send him packing, I can’t waste another year waiting for him to be healthy, and then another year waiting for him to be ready for a full season again. I knew at the time that 15 years was stupid, if he was signed to 5 we could really be done, instead we finally will get rid of Yashin’s contract and have DP on our books for the next 10 years.
by Rickfansince76 on Mar 12, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
send him packing, I can’t waste another year waiting for him to be healthy, and then another year waiting for him to be ready for a full season again.
Not to tick you off, but- well, tough. Thats exactly what is going to happen no matter how much you complain to your fellow Isles fans.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 12, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
why aren’t bridgeport G competent, they got to get called up and start playing so that one can take over when Roloson is done.
They are competent, and hopefully that is exactly what happens. the Isles do not need another NHL goalie, they are already developing some in the minor leagues.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 12, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
if none are called up for any games before the end of the season
that probably means they aren’t ready. Mikko might have been ready if he hadn’t been injured. We will see.
I disagree. The Islanders have at minimum two starting goaltenders already up in the NHL- with Rick if he plays that is three. there is simply no room for either of them right now.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 13, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
if Garth has any thought of using any of them next year
he will find a way for them to get a game or two this season.
I think the only goalie that Garth will be concerned with getting some play in before the end of the season to evaluate for next year is named Rick DiPietro.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is that if they are seriously thinking of using one of them as backup next year,
Garth and Gordon will find a way to give them games before the season is out. They are allowed 23 on the roster and all but two of those currently on it, are making $1 mil or less, so there is really no reason not to give them a game or two if they are ready. Actually if Marty has another few games like today, he might be back.
I understand what your point is, the thing is that the Isles have too many goalies up here already to bring up one or two more. I dont see it happening no matter HOW the organization feels about them. Dont take Garth not playing either of them this season as him not having confidence in them because I dont see that as the case.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 14, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
ALSO
Rick DiPietro is who the Isles want to use as the backup next season. Anyone else would be if Rick cant do it… and that isnt something the Isles are going to worry about unless things go really bad for Rick.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 14, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
if neologizer's sports med friends are right, DP is done
I am beginning to believe that. Next year will determine the case. I suspect that they will again sign a 1A and have him compete with Mikko and the next best prospect. And they could certainly bring up any NHL-ready prospects one at a time this year if they wanted to.
Good points
I guess what I was getting at was that at this point DP is an unanswerable question and even penciling him in as a backup for next season in my opinion would be a big mistake. Signing a back-up or 1b goaltender will ensure that we wouldn’t have to rush up someone from Bridgeport in the event that DP can’t play and we can’t expect 40 year old Roloson to play all 82. I don’t believe that the trio situation was the optimal situation this season but it sue was a lot better than the alternative that we tried last season (Joey Mac and Yann the Mann). So if its a choice between Rollie and DP or Rollie, DP and another capable goalie, I’ll go with the second option. If the organization feels that they have a capable goalie in the system for next season then I’m cool with that as well. I too would love to see DP come back healthy and be the starting franchise goalie that we always wish we had, however the last two seasons make me feel that we at least need a back-up plan.
The stay-at-home defenseman is a must (as reflected in the poll results thus far)…
But, Volchenkov is THE guy when it comes to that category. As always when FA arguments come up I tout Paul Martin and Zbynek Michalek as being good alternatives. Personally, I think Martin is better than Volchenkov, but Martin being injured this year throws a slight question mark about his future and also he plays for Lou in NJ – so I wouldn’t count on him getting to FA necessarily. Michalek plays in a small market and has many of the same skills as Volchenkov – and I think you could get him for a far cheaper price/term than others on the market.
As far as backups go on that list – Budaj is probably the way to go. Sanford lacks the talent that Budaj has and Ellis/Mason will likely want a starter slot rather than tandem-ing like they have previously.
The stay-at-home defenseman is a must (as reflected in the poll results thus far)…
But, Volchenkov is THE guy when it comes to that category.
He speaks Russian as well- and that will bode well if Petrov comes to North america and gets called up!
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Any idea when Petrov might be coming over? Also do you think he will need 1 year or half a year of the AHL or could he step in right away.
I’d certainly bet on at least a half year of AHL time, considering his uneven performance and lack of experience at a top level.
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I’d certainly bet on at least a half year of AHL time
Me, too. And if the Isles sign a guy like Volchenkov, then there will be a Russian guy in Bridgeport and on the Islanders. That is a very good way to set things up, IMO.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 12, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
I’m not sure how a stay at home dman is the priority for a team that is almost dead last in scoring with NO prospects in that regard. Even if we keep losing and can secure Seguin or Hall, you have to think that a scoring wing to pair with Tavares needs to be the priority if we want him to have a Stamkos-like sophomore season.
Honestly, I don’t even think it’s close. Let’s see what we have with McDonald and HIllen. Maybe add a cheap depth defender. But first priority needs to be scoring. Take a serious run at Kovalchuk and see if you can get Frolov at a decent price. We should also look at another big time center, like Marleau or Plekanac. We need top 6 forwards who can put the puck in the net.
See, I think we have a number of guys already who are going to grow and mature and score goals as soon as next season… all they need is experience. Kyle, Josh, JT, Fransie, Matty, even Shremp- its gonna happen for them! However, I dont think we have D guys who are going to over the weeks of the summer suddenly become big stay at home defenders. We have puck moving Dmen, and thats imprtant, but we NEED guys who can do what Sutton and Witt did.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 12, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
The scoring will come. We’ve seen what guys like Okposo, Tavares, Bailey, Frans, Moulson, Schremp, Bergenheim, and Comeau can create scoring chances. Give them time to get to the gym and get stronger along with the experience will increase their scoring. I think who we draft should affect who we sign. Assuming we don’t make the trade to get 2 Anahiem picks, if we get a high top 3 pick and get Hall or Seguin we should be looking for A-Train and another defensive defensmen (Strudwick or Mitchell). If we end up with Fowler than we should sign the A-Train and another scorer (Frolov, Plekanc, Tanguay). I’m not really for getting Kovalchuck but I would think that if he would get his 10 million for 10 years+ I think the team that would sign him would have to go into free agency with less than 37 million at the most. Were going into free agency with 31 million and would have plenty of room to sign him (Though we are actually only paying our players about 37 million this year and 26 million next year). But that might hurt our chances of getting our rfa’s signed (Tavares, Kyle, Bailey) and still have cap room.
Stay-at-home vs. forward
I tend to see the existing forwards (with some additions) as raw talent that should become better scorers. Whereas “Stay-at-home D” in this instance means to me the kind of big, physical, able-shot-blocking D the Islanders just don’t have much of.
That’s not to say I don’t welcome forward help, but a bigger organizational hole to me is physical D who can also move the puck, a rare commodity.
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For next season yes, long term I think the bigger hole is at forward in the organization...
I think they really need another all star level scorer, although that person can from the draft (or possibly Petrov if we can get him here). The bigger hole for next season alone is D (and we will also need someone to mentor the youngens), but long term we are crammed depth-wise at the position, I mean none of them aside maybe Katic have a chance for next season, but after that they will be coming in bunch loads. 2011-2012 DeHaan, Hamonic, Ness, Donovan, and Kessel may all be close to ready.
Whose contracts are up at the end of this season?
Better yet, where can I find things like that out? I feel like every site I’ve found has been out-of-date or inaccurate.
Which ones have you tried?
Capgeek and nhlnumbers are usually pretty good about it. I believe CapGeek is faster with the updates but has insane pop-up ads, whereas nhlnumbers’ template is easier on my eyes.
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I looked at nhlnumbers and maybe I was misreading it at the time (this is a few weeks ago) because I could have sworn a bunch of stuff seemed off. Now I just think I’m losing it.
Now I just think I’m losing it.
It’s not paranoia if they’re really out to get you.
Your memory may be right though — I think nhlnumbers updates less frequently, whereas CapGeek appears to have some connected source on contracts as soon as their done. I believe NHLPA is the keeper of these things, so I don’t understand the selective release of info. But that’s to do with the cap/average salary stuff — the free agent list shouldn’t be too murky.
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