What to Expect: Matt Martin's 1st NHL game
So NHL rookies Jesse Joensuu and Matt Martin are on their way up from AHL Bridgeport to provide a little size, create a little space, hopefully score a little. For Martin, it's his first NHL game. What can he expect?
A popular meme among observers of coaches -- in many sports -- is how they handle young players. "He hates kids. He always sticks to veterans." ... or "He rushes kids." Such common complaints among fans, who see old news in their veterans and future hope in the kids. But it's not that simple, of course: We don't have a handle on the locker room dynamic nor how the coach perceives maturity in each youngster. We can only guess.
Scott Gordon can hardly be accused of neglecting youth, but each kid is different. John Tavares steps into the NHL at the first possible opportunity and plays first-line center. Most guys don't get that treatment, and rightly so.
What follows is how Scott Gordon has used other rookies in their NHL or season debuts:
Easing In? First games under Scott Gordon
| Player | Date | Result | Shifts | TOI | PP | Notes |
| Rob Schremp | Oct. 8 09 | 3-2 OTL @Ott | 17 | 14:02 | 0:57 | 2 minors |
| *John Tavares | Oct. 3 09 | 4-3 SOL v. Pit | 27 | 22:05 | 5:02 | 1g, 1a |
| *Josh Bailey | Nov. 11 08 | 3-1 L v. Phi | 18 | 12:30 | 3:01 | 2 minors |
| *Jesse Joensuu | March 2 09 | 4-2 W v. Col | 17 | 11:35 | 0:08 | 1st goal |
| *Trevor Smith | Dec. 31 08 | 4-2 W v. Fla | 15 | 10:55 | 0:32 | minus-1 |
| Mike Iggulden |
March 7 09 | 7-3 W v. NJ | 17 | 12:37 | 0:00 | 2 asst. |
| *Sean Bentivoglio |
April 2 09 | 5-1 L v. Mon | 18 | 11:31 | 0:16 | 1 minor |
| Jack Hillen |
Oct. 10 08 | 2-1 L @NJ | 23 | 18:48 | 4:36 | minus-1 |
| *Andrew MacDonald |
Feb. 28 09 | 2-0 W v. Buf | 12 | 7:14 | 0:00 | 2 blocks |
| *Dustin Kohn |
Jan. 28 10 | 4-1 L @Car | 15 | 11:35 | 0:00 | 1 block |
*1st NHL game
Joensuu is returning after a short injury call-up earlier this season. In seven December games, he averaged around 11 minutes per game -- sometimes more, sometimes less. He picked up a goal in the second game of that stint but otherwise didn't dent the scoresheet.
In the above table, the date links to the game sheet, the score links to the recap here. I left out enforcers like Trevor Gillies and Joel Rechlicz, who get the handful-of-minutes treatment and don't really apply to the role Martin will be serving.
Clearly Gordon is a little more careful when breaking in defensemen, understandably so. MacDonald's victorious but careful debut ironically came at the height of last season's veteran complaints about Gordon handing the reins to the youngsters too soon. For the forwards, unless your name is John Tavares you can expect a standard of 15 or so shifts, 11 minutes or so of ice time. With both Joensuu and Martin coming in Tuesday, maybe Martin gets less than that, particularly if he's left to the fourth line (presumably we'll get a better idea after practice).
Mostly this was an excuse to look back at some rookie debuts (or in Schremp, Hillen and Iggulden's case, first games under a new coach very early in a player's NHL career). But it does tell us Gordon isn't afraid of working new forwards in right away. Whatever concern is keeping Jeff Tambellini to an enforcer-like five minutes, we can expect that won't afflict Joensuu and Martin.
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Scott Gordon & Garth Snow have to sit down, maybe even with Wang, and discuss where they want this team to go. It’s getting kind of obvious that the guys we have now aren’t all pulling in one direction.
Make a decision on some of the guys we have now, whether to keep em or dump em. Some teams wait until til its too late to decide on what to do with a guy… The Isles have to sit down with all of the players and see if they will be in our future or our past.
IMO, try to sign Sutton. Hillen has one year left, I think he deserves an extension. Jackman and Weight should either be traded at the deadline or just let them go in April. If we make a trade, throw in either Witt or Biron. Either way, Biron is a FA in July. I like Park and Sim. I know some people don’t . but they both have a purpose and are 4th liners. Blake Comeau, Freddy Meyer and yes, Tambellini should be traded. Comeau hasn’t shown anything lately and looks as frustrated as Taveras. Although I like him as a player, maybe it is time to trade Hunter.
Re-sign Bailey, Okposo and Nielsen to 3 or 4 years at least. These guys make a good line.
I pray that this summer the Islanders can sign a some free agents. I still believe others have low opinions of the team, but we can try anyways.
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I'm sure the evaluation is on-going
The trade deadline comes days after the Olympic Break is over, so their deadline plans will wrap up between now and then.
FYI, Nielsen is signed through 2011-12, and Bailey and Okposo become RFAs in 2011, so there’s no rush. You can’t just “throw in” Witt in a trade: He counts $3 million toward the cap next year. Teams do not have that kind of space to waste as a “throw in.”
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Not much to evaluate...
the guys that need to be evaluated are Hunter, Comeau, tambellini and Bruno.
Those guys have, to some extent, some value and are signed through next year (hunter, much longer) at reasonable prices. Jeff’s RFA status is like being signed.
Hunter is not succeeding as a top six guy in this system, and his role can be better filled with a UFA in July… we have plenty of middle six guys who’d love the opportunity. I think the world of Trent Hunter, but he’s not a POWER HITTER, and he’s not scoring… I don’t even think he can cook… so that puts him behind Bruno on the depth chart.
Comeau has upside. He’s shown flashes, but not uder flash. I bet there are a few GM’s who think they can better utilize his talent…. and they’d probably be right. (reverse situation of Schremp and Moulson)
Tambellini needs to be in an atmosphere where he has limited two way responsibilities… and somebody might give him a chance… he’s not going to keep getting chances to prove he can be a two way player here. He’s been through two coaches now who have put him in the cellar with the preserves.
We’ve seen Bruno play pretty good hockey. Maybe it’s gordon’s system of recognition, or he just doesn’t feel comfortable on the ice getting manhandled in situations where HE SHOULD BE THE MANHANDLER… He has been terrible this year, but if a GM has some tape of him under Nolan they might take a shot at a kid who can move the puck, but not 180 lbs in front of the net.
Other than that most of the decisions are no brainers… either they need to be here, or they really have no value esewhere. the only exception might be Richard Park who could fetch something because he brings a lot to any team.
Sim and Sutton might have value, but they need to be here next year.
Hunter is fine
He is as good a two way forward as the Islanders have. Yes, he would be better suited for the third line, but the Isles don’t have that kind of depth yet. That is one of the reason I want to draft Nino and hopefully bring Petrov over.. We need a bonafide potent second scoring line. Until we have the players who can make that happen, Hunts will be there. He is a streaky scorer and he can drive you nuts as streaky scorers tend to do. But he is solid and dependable and right now the Isles need him. He will not be traded.
Hopefully if we traded with someone and they need a D man, we could add in Witt. Considering cap space, lets hope the guy coming back creates room for Witt or Biron.
I know its a joke that we’ll take a bag of pucks for some guys, and we should draft somewhere close to third, so we don’t that. Hopefully we get a 2nd liner.
But I don’t make the trades and God only knows whats on Snow-Wang-Gordon’s minds.
I’ll keep my fingers crossed.
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Witt-less
I think we’ll remain Witt-less this year. I don’t think chucky’s cheese is going to be spent on watching Witt play for another team. They have made it clear that they will not make him available through re-entry. Witt’s 2010, and maybe 2011 might be spent as a player/coach in Bridgeport. I hope that role was discussed with him, because if so it might be one of the classiest agreements this team has made in spite of cost. I assume that Brendan still wants to be in the NHL, but he hasn’t been effective. This could work out for all parties.
the problem you have is that opposing GMs watch our guys even more closely than we do
Like us, they tend to know who has value and they are going to want they guys like Sutton, Sim, and Weight who have value and are not going to want those like Jackman and Meyer who do not. In other words, they want the guys we want to keep and don’t want the guys we want to get rid of.. The biggest decision will be Sutton. He might well fetch a second rounder but that would mean bringing in somebody like Westgarth for the balance of the season and Garth also has to calculate whether he will be able to get somebody comparable in FA this summer to replace Andy.
Weight
Going into FA last season I was against keeping him around. I figured we were going to be bad and better to have a younger player in the slot then Weight. But given the relationship between Weight and Tavares, I wouldn’t mind keeping Weight for one more season just for Tavares.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Papa Dougie is a great mentor for the whole team
and he really helps the PP. Like Andy, it will be a tough choice depending on what’s offered.
Nolan v Gordon
When Nolan was fired we were told that there were philosophical differences and Ted wasn’t on board with the youth movement. I find that kind of funny.
Maybe Ted didn’t want to be an AHL coach (teacher) at the NHL level. That’s what Snow has forced Gordon (who was a willing participant) to do. Gordon is doing an acceptable job, but it’s hard to say more than that about his performance. It all depends on how you perceive the talent, and the system.
I enjoy watching Gordon hockey when it’s working more than Nolan hockey at it’s finest… but I’m pretty sure ted Nolan would not have allowed the negative aspects of this team to continue for as long as they have. I couldn’t see Kyle Okposo skating back to the bench celebrating a goal with John tavares lying on the ice after getting demolished. His last play that night would have been the goal… and he would have found some vagisil in his locker the next day.
Gordon has been charged with something more than an NHL coach should be. He has to be a father to these kids as well as coach… and frankly, I don’t think the NHL is the place for Robert Young. Al Arbour had the same charge, and he developed Gillies, Nystrom, Howatt into MEN who NEVER HUNG THEIR HEAD…ANYWHERE! Look what Blake Comeau is becoming… he conjurs images of Peggy Flemming…well… without the skating ability.
I’m not, and probably will never be a big Gordon fan… that doesn’t mean I don’t think he hasn’t been a positive. But the fact that kids like Bailey, Tavares, Hillen and Okposo (to a lesser extent) have been physically dominated is proof that Gordon just wasn’t fully ready for this role. How many times have we watched those kids and others have to pick themselves up after questionable hits. They shoud be commended, but at some point there needs to be an ASK QUESTIONS LATER guy out there to stop the insanity. Nolan had Simon (tough to use insanity and Simon in the same post without expecting some feedback)… Say what you want about Simon, he got it… and ted knew he could TRUST him… until I think Chris wasn’t sure he could trust himself. But there would be a guy, or guys on this team to help these kids get to where they need to be if Nolan was still here.
When FLASH has been given bullets, he’s left the gun in his holster. He has no problem using Gervais, who sometimes looks like a 5 year old separated from his mother at Macy’s, but he couldn’t find a spot for Fritz, Wrecker or Gillies… none of whom ever was given a chance to make marquee mistakes. His choice was Fotonat… nothing against Nate, but I could kick the crap out of him… He was more valuable as an energy and faceoff guy… but got sold as a “grit” guy… Grit guys are Sean Hill, Brendan Witt… BILL GUERIN… WHO GOT IT… Guerin protected weight like some guys protect their wives. That’s how friendships and teammates EVOLVE. The atmosphere that Gordon has created is sinful.
This is pure speculation, but I have a feeling that Nolan would never send KIDS out unprotected… Gordon just doesn’t have the stones to push back… and I’m not sure Snow knows how to fix it.
On the pure hockey side of things… I’d say that Gordon has done an okay job with the “kids”… but I’d have loved to have seen a Hillen and MacDonald grow under Ted.. who got Bruno to play his best hockey ever in the playoffs. He already had success with MacDonald… and made a 40 goal scorer out of Jason Blake. Gordon Might not squeeze 40 goals out of his top two projected scorers (Okposo/Tavares).
Now Snow is going to try to solve his physicality problem with KIDS. Don’t expect too much from them.
I’m pretty excited to see both of them, but I’m also concerned that they will be over their heads, and blamed for what I perceive as Snow’s worst mistakes.
Let’s keep our fingers crossed.
tldr
But didn’t someone prove that Nolan was giving time to guys like Satan at the expense of youngsters during his last season when the Islanders were clearly out of the playoffs and Snow wanted him to start more youngsters?
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
the fact that kids like Bailey, Tavares, Hillen and Okposo (to a lesser extent) have been physically dominated is proof that Gordon just wasn’t fully ready for this role
I do not see the logic in this- like, at all.
The fact that they are young kids who havent learned how to play like men 100% of the time yet when they are rookies and kids is Gordons “fault”? Its not ANYONES “fault,” it just is what it is.
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Let me explain...
TMC,
I don’t fault the kids for not being prepared, but the fact that this team isn’t constructed properly. Nolan, better understood the architecture of an NHL team. You don’t put a garden on a concrete slab. He would have pushed back at not having guys who can protect these kids.
I cringe when I see JT in a vulnerable position… and Hillen… jeez, how many times was he crushed this year. Bruno looks like a kitten at the dog poiund sometimes….I’m not sure Gordon gets the fact that X’s and O’s don’t mean shit when your players are scared to skate… and nobody sticks up for each other.
You’re a very astute hockey fan… I agree with almost everything you say… but if you can’t see these kids becoming tentative we’re not watching the same games. That’s not “nobody’s fault”… and sometimes ruins careers.
But coaches do not construct teams, JP… coaches work with what was already constructed.
And Garth knows the construction of this team needs work, but more than anyhting else it takes time. There no instafix to most of the Isles problems.
Some of them are tentative because they are second and third guessing themselves. That happens to young teams. And some of them are tentative because ultimately they are not cut out to contribute to a winning NHL team. In time, I just want Garth to sort em out properly.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 8, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
???
If a coach doesn’t have a say in a matter that big it’s because he has absolutely NO POWER. I think Snow and Gordon have a good relationship, but they keep missing a very important aspect of the game.
Please tell me you don’t think this team is SOFT. I’m not a fan of Broad Street Bully hockey, nor do I want to take this team to Brian Burke World… but the general dynamic of contact sports will never change. They need to build a brotherhood… and it’s not done by celebrating a goal while your teammate is lying in a pool of blood and chicklets.
We will have to agree to disagree.
I'd have to look at the video again
to go after Jovo at the time would have probably gotten Kyle tossed and nullified the major penalty …and cost them the game. Since Jovo was removed from the game, there was no way to take his number. Perhaps the Yotes will be on the schedule next year and the team can take care of things then.
Some like Andy, Witter, Sim, and Hunts have been quick to stand up when other teams take advantage. Even Moulson has stepped up at times. This team does need more toughness and physicality which is why I hope that Garth will look at drafting Nino, Ohman, and Cisse among others in June. On the other hand, this team has to maintain good discipline if it is to win games…which is the ultimate objective. It’s a fine line.
We do not really disagree.
I am not happy with the general toughness of the team, either. I just dont think that its as simple as what any coach says. The Isles do forecheck, they have consistently outhit the majority of their opponenets for years on end. Doing that IS coaching… but having guys with the physical presence to intimidate while doing so, a coach cant really change that.
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I’ve enjoyed this debate. Personally, I see a lack of the protection/toughness element on the squad, but I appreciate that it wasn’t Snow/Gordon’s first priority when starting from scratch and evaluating youngsters (though it would have made for more entertainment, surely). I haven’t seen too many teams steamroll the Islanders because they weren’t really a threat to begin with; but now this year that they’ve been taken more seriously, more teams are trying to send that physical message.
The right players in those roles are tough to find — at least the ones that can also play hockey. Guerin was a good signing in that regard (ironically, many complained that he rarely fought). I don’t think we 100% know Snow/Gordon’s approach to this yet; I suspect with their recent talk of physicality that it’s evolving, and we’ll hopefully see alterations as the right candidates become available.
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I tend to think that he is leaving the team the way it is on purpose as a way of teaching a team how to compete. If they just gave them some big guys just to quell the clamoring of the crowd that would probably result in a team with little heart. In other words they didn’t fight to get to where they are, their GM bought them into that position and that would be close to the equivalent of a Ranger’s-styled (just using them as an example) team. By letting them fight together to make up for an obvious shortcoming they can bond a little better. I doubt Snow or Gordon had any expectations of making the playoffs this year and that would stand to reason why Garth made the preposterous statement that he was satisfied with this team at the beginning of the season. Within the building process theme, this team is not all that bad. Of course you always want to see them hustle more, pass cleaner and dislodge someone from their foothold on the ice but they are doing what they can.
The fact that he is letting Matt Martin develop in the minors rather than bringing him up more often just reinforces that thought. Sure he brings him up tonight because it is like dangling a carrot in front of a rabbit. “Look what we have…”
Will work...for playoffs.
Are you referring to what Garth said about the defense?
I also think he should have added a defenseman this past summer. I think he might be satisfied with the team as it is in this stage of its development—-which is reasonable. You have to be patient to build a winner.
Ice Boxing
Dom,
After reading your post on the subject a while back I know we’re on the same page. After reading TMC’s post for more than three years, I’m pretty sure we’re on the same page as well.
Where I think we may be on three different prongs of of the trident is this. I feel that the team needs to be tough as a WHOLE. I feel that Snow is correct in assuming that the non-presence of a Brashear type heavyweight only removes ice boxing… which I can’t stand. If the NHL really wants to continue that nonsense they should promote bouts between periods.
The source of toughness has to come from kids like Okposo, Comeau and vets like Hunter and Sutton. None of these guys are “fighters”, but they should at least be there to say, “HEY, I’M HERE, YOU WANT HIM, YOU GO THROUGH ME” This team has none of that.
You don’t get that with a 5:00 goon… and what they did was try to fit a Wrecker, Gillies or Fritz into a 9min forward… that wasn’t going to happen either. You need to just let the game flow with those guys in the lineup… sure, you’ll give up a few goals… they weren’t even given a chance to make those mistakes. But Bruno gets the opportunity to do it every night, and besides avery telling him that he uses too much garlic in his osso bucco, he would never be considered a physical presence.
My point is that Nolan (or any experienced coach) would have made it a point to make sure that Michael came out of the bathroom with more than his bracciola in his hands.
If I was Mr. tavares I’d have already had a long talk with Mr. Snow about the welfare of my son… same goes for Mr. Bailey… I think Mr. Hillen thinks his son is made of rubber, and he might be right (I really like that guy).
Step one… Okposo has his xBox taken away until his voice cracks. He needs to show a little mean once in a while… he’s just too damn sweet. they also need a Chris Neil type, and soon.
I feel that the team needs to be tough as a WHOLE.
I’m pickin’ up what you’re layin’ down here.
Sort of on-topic, I’ve never seen much of that in Comeau. Maybe I’ve missed it. I remember him talking before the season about becoming a “power forward,” and the comment honestly took me off guard.
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Oye Comeau Va
Do you remember the Exelby incident a few years back? Exelby tried to do an on ice gelding of Comeau and Blake just took it.
Avery [as a King] did the same thing to Witt and Witter made Sean get down and beg him to stop cross checking him across the head.
Two instances… you don’t see alot of that against Witter… but amazingly we’ve had another Comeau turtle sighting. If you don’t defend yourself, and you don’t defend your teammates, you don’t score, and you don’t have pictures of the coach with a goat… WHAT DO YOU DO?
Yeah… the whole power forward thing is kind of funny…
I thought Blake had some potential… but I also think Nolan lost it with him after the Exelby thing, and he just never takes that next step. I’m guessing he doesn’t get past the RFA stages of his career unless he has an epiphany.
Bob Gainey is stepping down as general manager of the Montreal Canadiens.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=309444
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It's too much...
to expect a great player to be a great executive… that’s why we can have HIGH HOPES for Garth Snow as our GM.
STEELER ANOLOGY
Ive compared these recent Islander team in the making to the way the Steelers have been building their teams. But one problem (some may see it) with drafting good quality character guys is -is they dont have a "MEAN STREAK’.
I hope a guy like Martin will bing a little swagger and little temper just enough to give the team an edge.
Here's a start.. but...
Look at how we’re trying to solve this issue. With a 20 year old kid. I hope it helps, but I don’t see Martin making his mark on hockey for two or three more years. Wrecker was 22, bigger and a solid scrapper, and all that come of his “audition” was, “he can sure take a punch”.
It CAN’T BE THAT WAY FOR MARTIN. Martin’s game is one of hitting, and going to those places where nobody else wants to go and making goals happen.
This is much more likely to turn out bad for Martin, than good, if he tries too hard and tangles above his head.
Look at Wrecker… oh.. you can’t, unless you have the right milk carton in your fridge… because he’s been MIA since his demotion.
Dom, do you know what happened to Rechlicz… I asked Botta a few weeks ago and he 86ed my post. He’s on a 3 year entry level contract, after having ZERO on his resume, and now he’s MIA… And to show how little I know about hockey… I thought he was a nice fourth liner who would ride the BP shuttle all year.
Rechlicz is loosing time in Bridgeport to guys who can actually play meaningful minutes while being a pest/enforcer. Pascal Morency can fight. does drop the gloves but also isn’t a total liability that Rechlicz is even at the AHL level right now. Jeremy Reich (When healthy) is so much more then a fighter, plays a good defensive game and can skate. We’ve discussed Martin ad infitium here. The (few) games I have seen Rechlicz play this season in Bridgeport, he has been a liability all over the place, whether it is taking totally ill timed-ill advised penalties, trying to go after someone on the other team while the 4 other guys on the ice have to cover his assignments and coming in late after the whistle has blown into opposing players, dropping the gloves before the opposing player does allowing the opposing player to draw a penalty, stupid shit that hurts his team. He has A LOT of work to do and I wouldn’t be surprised if he winds up back in the ECHL at some point in the next year or two he’s been that bad so far.
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by David Hanssen on Feb 8, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I didn’t realize he was that bad. That makes me wonder how he made it to the NHL then… but that’s another rant for another day… :-)
…hoped-for potential, maybe? When they first brought him up — and he is so young — they talked like he was a project who could become a useful NHLer beyond the fists. I suppose the belief has since plummeted.
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Is it just me...
Or is Gordon deliberately breaking the kids in at home – if you look at the 1st gamer under Gordon 7 out of 8 have been played at home, with Kohn as the exception.
If this is the case, I think its a good move – as this way they can be more comfortable and as the Isles would get the last change they could better match the new kids against the level of opposition that they could deal with (read: weak opposition).
Was wondering that myself. Sounds like a safe plan — certainly better than breaking them in at Philly.
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When you wrote that I thought you said ‘breaking them at Philly’ – well it didn’t work on Witt.
But, it is probably an acknowledgment of sorts that the youngsters are fragile and need to be looked after. After all, it is more difficult to blood good skill players than find the sandpaper guys.
I think that this could be why there is a perceived lack of protection for the legitimate top-6 Isles forwards. By not spending a couple of 2 million on a tougher checking line, it gives them a chance to see out the contractual mistakes of the past couple of seasons and as many slots to test out the prospects as humanly possible.
amen JPinVa
happy to see i am not the only one disppointed at the total lack of team toughness and sinful lack of protection for JT. this started last year with the Devils (I forgot which interchangable dman it was over there) cheap shot elbow to neilsen and Gordon’s pants shitting refusal to let fritz off of the bench in one of the few games he dressed him. That told us just about everything we need to know about how this team is coached as far as standing up for each other.
It has only gotten worse with this year’s squad. I recall Guerin and even weight having scraps last year sticking up for the young guys. Sutton always did, but he has now been convinced that he is far too valuable to the team to fight. I mean, I love the guy, but Holy Crap, he’s not Denis Potvin (who would actually drop them once in a while just to keep everybody honest). So, let me get this straight, Tavares can get his lights knocked off by cheap elbows and high sticks but we can’t afford to lose the services of a 4-6 dman in order to try to prevent this from occurring in the future? Such appears to be the message in Gordoland.
I can’t remember the last time i saw hunter or Sim or anyone not named jackman actually drop the gloves to stick up for either himself or a teammate. again, I deplore appointment fights, but there is an absolute necessity in this game to have each others backs, and that starts in the GM suite and on the bench. i’m not sure what happened to Snow, since he was a pretty tough guy as a player. The lack of accountability is even tougher for me to watch than the losses. I think fans can expect losses from a rebuilding team, but no one should expect to watch a team develop such apathy for the welfare of their teammates. maybe Mick Vukota can come aboard as a “team balls” consultant.
Gotta go pass wind now, need to update my facebook page.
Maybe it's just me
But I prefer “goodness” to “toughness,” although the Isles sure are lacking in both departments.
On the bright side, we have plenty of interchangeable goalies.
Lets make it short & simple
Its not the early 90s or the 80s anymore. You don’t use a spot on an enforcer. The way you really protect your stars is by making teams pay for their penalties. We don’t need an enforcer, we just need the Islanders to keep getting better. Eventually when your scoring on the PP on a regular basis, the other team will think twice about sending the Enforcer on your stars. Secondly, as you get better on the PP and better scoring, teams will definitely think twice about sending a speed cone onto the ice against your best line.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
valid point
I wrote a fanpost on that topic trying to push the signing of Babchuk before the beginning of the season. I think also that we could better afford a Carcillo type when we have built up our core and are a genuine contender.
As much as I agree
with the lunacy of the supergoon. It would make feel a lot more comfortable if the Isles had a Colton Orr riding the pine. He has some actual hockey skills and has one of the hardest punches in the league—witness Matt Carkner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_sXwYNAkUo
Orr will go after anyone who messes with a teammate, he also throws hard checks if they won’t oblige with the fists. JT is very vulnerable and it’s going to be a Matt Cooke/Chris Pronger type who takes him out, not Brian McGratten, but Orr will hold everyone accountable.
so of course
Jody Shelley one punches Orr to the ice tonight. Say what you want about fighting in hockey, these guys still have the toughest job out there.
I fear Orr’s traditional hockey skills have receded too far (I definitely wouldn’t have committed four years to him). But I do agree, these guys have the toughest job in terms of physical toll and mental dissonance. They are revered for doing their job, then hated for going over the line, and the line between is very blurry and depends on the observer.
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Isn’t Carkner actually 2-1 this season against Orr and to be honest I would take a Carkner-type over Orr anyday.
As far as pure enforcers go I’m pretty sure you could get 10 for a low pick or the motivation of playing in the NHL.
Carkner - Orr
These two have gone 3 times this season with Orr winning the first one in a one sided beatdown, Carkner the second, landing a hard shot putting Orr down and this last one with Orr getting the KO.
Carkner is a no doubt a tough guy and plays more minutes than Orr, which is why I said an Orr type player (which Carkner is). Orr also costs a lot for a one dimensional player. I would have like to see Reich come up but we’ll see what Martin can do.
I still hope we get a look at Reich. That injury was awful timing.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
Devils Flyer game
Salmela just scored a goal, and had his head down, and was hit borderline late by Jeff Carter after the goal from Salmela’s blindside—knocking Salmela out.
I watched the replay and I believe it was late and a deliberate head shot by Carter, no penalty (I honestly think the refs missed the hit because of the goal). However, no Devil has gone after Carter. Head shots will continue because there is no respect among players and for those who want the league to hold players accountable—you’re crazy. i posted an excellent article written by Justin Bourne (Bob’s son) regarding head shots. google Bourne and you’ll find it, it was back in November of ’09 for USA Today.
they have a home and home
I suspect that Lou will see that the matter is dealt with (Clarkson? or Mottau, yer up!)
I watched it again
and I take back the head shot comment. It looks like he was hit shoulder to shoulder. I don’t know how you get knocked out from a shoulder on shoulder. It was a little late but not as egregious as I first thought, though someone should have gone after Carter still the same.
Yeah it was shoulder to shoulder… I think it got a bit extra OOMPH on it because he realized as he was hitting him that his team was now down 2-0.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
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