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Islanders waive Brendan Witt; SUVs exhale

One of Witt's better -- and clean -- hits this season led to this fight on Opening Night.

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One of Witt's better -- and clean -- hits this season led to this fight on Opening Night.

Wait now, I swear I just read somewhere that Brendan Witt could plausibly fetch a 2nd and a 5th from a playoff team? The reasons that's a pipe dream, as discussed in this space less than 10 hours ago, should be obvious.

So now, as reported just about everywhere, the Islanders have taken the uncomfortable step of placing Witt on waivers. "Uncomfortable," because he's been a solid guy who played through untold injuries. His range of "anything for the team" assignments included not only your traditional trench battles but also, amusingly (and briefly), shootout taker and big man in front of the net on the powerplay. But whether by nagging injury or natural physical decline -- so often closely intertwined -- it's been clear the last two seasons that he's not effective in this team's scheme.

Meanwhile, his recent stint on IR -- which came after he typically said he was fine -- has been variously reported as a calf injury and a lingering knee injury. Most will remember that in October 2008 he suffered an early season knee injury and later rushed himself back into the lineup. Given his nature, we'll probably never know how much is natural decline and how much is the piling up of injuries not fully healed.

Newsday's Katie Strang reports Witt will be assigned to Bridgeport if unclaimed by noon tomorrow. It's another big step in an era of transition for the Islanders.

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She means "when" unclaimed

maybe he’ll get what’s left of his groove back in Bridgeport. in other news, NHL.COM is reporting that Atlanta offered Kovi the highest salary ever offered in franchise history and was turned down. NHL.COM further reports that there have been no new negotiations and a trade is expected before the freeze for the Olympics.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 3, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Witt seems cool about it

witts quoted as sayin “it the nature of the beast”. Im not sure if he would fetch a 2nd and a 5th but he does have a grat attitidude and reputation, I do thou see a a former coach or players perhaps swaying some interest and possibly taking a chance just based on Witts experience and having some time to rest on a 35 yr old body thats taken it fair share of wear and tear over his career.

good luck Witty thanx for everything you ve done and hopefully set an excellent example of being a pros pro

by steelermafia on Feb 3, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I do thou see a a former coach or players perhaps swaying some interest and possibly taking a chance just based on Witts experience

I could see this except for the cap hit next year. It’s really a non-starter. Very few teams have the cap room for that kind of overpayment, and the ones that do maintain a lower payroll for a reason.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 3, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. If anything NYI is looking at moving him at the deadline next year, but I don’t know how much value he’s going to build playing in the AHL. Do you think Snow buys him out after this season, or stashes him in the AHL again? I’m not sure what the recent economic downturn has done to Wang, but he has always had deep pockets.

Sew up your heart, grow a pair, and watch hockey.

by Fehr and Balanced on Feb 3, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you hope that he rehabs and gets a little of his groove back

then maybe next year he isn’t a total liability. We may need him next year. Andy may have been traded, Freddy’s deal won’t likely be renewed, Gervais could be traded, who knows how long Martinek will stay healthy, and our prospects will likely not be in Islander unis before 2011-12. Unless Garth DOES sign at least 2 FA defensemen, Gordon might either have to use him or Westgarth.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 3, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank freaking god

I’d rather see ANYBODY out there than him. Thanks for the good years, Brendan, but my god you were awful this year. Can you take Bruno with you?

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by PSUdevon on Feb 3, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he will pull a Sim

…and play well in Bridgeport while he gets back into form after being injured? Doing so got Sim back on the team this season.

Or maybe he is done, and this is the way they are choosing to do it? I dont know.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 3, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wish him luck

I’m not going to go out and bash the guy, he was out of place in the Gordon system. I hope he can make way in someone’s defense that is more slow paced and collapsing. I think he’s still got it somewhere, thanks for the service Whitters, bit of a sad day.

by albeezle on Feb 3, 2010 1:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

The hated ESPN also reports the following:

“Well, right now, the word out of Long Island is that Snow isn’t getting offered more than a third-rounder for Biron, which seems absurd to me.”

by AP77 on Feb 3, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’d probably roll with a third rounder

by albeezle on Feb 3, 2010 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, 3rd round sounds pretty fair to me. Maybe an escalator in the trade for a 2nd if the team gets to the conference finals, as Biron can get hot believe it or not.

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by WebBard on Feb 3, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

at the start of the season, I would have said a second

Given Marty’s record, it might be a tough sell. Before Ottawa started on its roll, I would have hoped that we might have received the SJ second from them for Marty. Probably depends on what the market is like.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 3, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How a 3rd for Biron is absurd, considering his play — or more precisely his lack of play — and the number of goalies out there, is beyond me. I think the escalator condition isn’t a bad idea at all, and protects both teams: “If we gave up/acquired a starter who took us/them on a playoff run, he’s worth x. If we just shuffled a backup, he’s worth x.” Fair enough to me.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 3, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the one way I could've seen us getting a second was if Elliott had continued to struggle for Ottawa

they might have been willing to part with their SJ 2nd….that’s out the window now. If Garth can figure out a way to get a second rounder for Marty, I will be deeeelighted as Long Island’s President would have said.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 3, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kohn

I think they have faith in Kohn, but just like when Andy Mac first got to the Island, I think Gordon has a feeling out process and doesn’t like just throwing rookies out there for 15-20 minutes to the wolves.

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by WebBard on Feb 3, 2010 1:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

WOW!!!!!

I hope that every single Isles fan who was arguing for Garth to p/u off the waiver wire yesterday reads the comments over on TSN right now about Brendan being on Waivers.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308785#YourCallTop

Case in point about how one mans “not worthy of a roster spot” is another mans “no-brainer, pick him up ASAP”

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 3, 2010 3:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The comments on TSN can run hot and cold. Anyone in Canada can leave a comment…even kids.
  It ran hot and cold about the Isles opening camp in China too.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 3, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone in Canada can leave a comment…even kids.

And- that is different than here, how??? For all I know you could be twelve.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 3, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

With comments like that, you could be 5

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 3, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do not understand you, I really dont.
I didnt insult you, I stated a FACT. We dont know one anothers ages. Now please- I was making a point that I happen to think is very valid and appropriate. I dont know why that bothers you, but if you dont think what Im saying has any validity, please just ignore it.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 3, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So your’e sying that I’m 12? Do you really think this doesn’t sound VERY inmature?

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 3, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

JESUS CHRIST I said I DONT know your age- THAT was my point… that I DONT know it. I didnt claim I DID know it. Is that clear enough for you now???

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 3, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well I just "celebrated" my 54th

being 12 again might have its upside!!!

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 3, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As for me...

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 3, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 3, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

seen some of the comments

there is a difference between a team that is looking to make a deep playoff run like the Nucks picking up a player like Witt who has shown that he simply cannot play NHL-level hockey for anybody and a team like the Islanders who are unlikely to make the playoffs but NEED another able-bodied defenseman out there picking up somebody like Boynton who I suspect has a lot more game left than Witter.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 3, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully, If Witt doesn’t get picked up, we can send him to Bridgeport. I doubt if he wll be happy there.
  The best and most likely choice would be to trade him for a draft pick.
   Oh and I think Newsday has been following the same sites as I have, cause I told someone here about this yesterday.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 3, 2010 3:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The best and most likely choice would be to trade him for a draft pick.

This isn’t likely. They reportedly — and logically — tried to deal before waiving him.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 3, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it possible were all over thinking this? Since he’s been on the shelf and hasn’t played and was just ‘activated’ this week, can’t it be as simple as the braintrust waiving him as a means to get him down to Bridgeport to have him in reserve there, gain fitness etc on the assumption no one would go after someone who hasn’t in the very least proven his fitness. On his contract he has to clear waivers, right? So maybe they are just trying to sneak him through while daring someone to grab him. I wouldn’t be surprised if snow wanted to keep him around.

Claude LaPointe didn't make as good a pun, sadly.

by LaChance at Glory on Feb 3, 2010 4:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

right

they safely assumed that no one would be foolish enough to pick him up. They could reduce his cap hit and get him to a point where he might be of some value to the team next year before being traded.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 3, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He would have to go through re-entry waivers if h ever came back from Bridgeport. Thats taking a big risk.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 3, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no

for the simple reason that no one is going to pick him up until he demonstrates that he can play NHL-level hockey effectively.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 3, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly

I was thinking along similar lines when I was saying that Brendan might “Pull a Sim” (Feb 3, 2010 1:23 PM EST)

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 3, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it possible we’re all over thinking this?

That does haunt me with every post. Could be. Could be conditioning rehab for a hoped return next year; an end-around that buys them a longer stint than a formal conditioning stint would. One thing that’s unclear is who his roster spot is intended for: Jackman’s return, or someone else? When Biron leaves, that opens up another.

He’s a sunk cost at this point, so buying out or risking re-entry waivers or paying him outright are all similar risks.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 3, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, SUV’s in Connecticut better get scared.

But, seriously, are the Isles desperate enough to be rid of Witt that they will place him on re-entry waivers?

by HugoAgogo on Feb 3, 2010 4:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Are the Isles gearing up for the youngsters coming into the system? Is that the main reason for waiving Witt? If someone does claim Witt, just in case it happens, does that money come off of the Isles cap hit and in turn does that put the Isles under the minimum salary floor?

Will work...for playoffs.

by metalcoconut on Feb 3, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It only affects the amount of time remaining. Brendan already earned most of the money he was going to earn this season, that money still counts towards the cap floor.

Its funny how many teams talk about fitting people in under the cap but the Isles are one of the few teams who worry about the cap floor lol. Hoenstly though, the cap floor is not a big deal at all. If the Isles were under teh cap floor, the only thing that would happen is the team would STILL ahve to pay the cap minimum, and I believe the difference in money would simply be split among all the other players on the teams roster.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 3, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hitchcock out

The Blue Jackets have fired Ken Hitchcock and replaced him with Claud Noel.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=516112&navid=DL|NHL|home

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 3, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I believe they will regret that but that is my opinion. No doubt they have had a rough season.

Will work...for playoffs.

by metalcoconut on Feb 3, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really? It seemed like they didn’t have a choice. I saw it as a defensive tactician whose team was failing to play defensively or tactically.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 3, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Hitchcock. So I am biased in this situation. Yes they had to make a move but I still think he is a serviceable coach.

Will work...for playoffs.

by metalcoconut on Feb 4, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoy his interviews and thoughts on hockey; I’m wondering if his style doesn’t translate well anymore, or at least carries too much of an expiration date for the young’ns who are dominating the league now. He did great things there and then it was like they hit a wall.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 4, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“It’s terrible news. It’s terrible news. It’s terrible we couldn’t play better and the coach had to be fired. Hitch put this market on the map. We didn’t really have an identity before he got here.” — Rick Nash

Oh oh. Someone forgot to discuss this with the only guy that counts there LOL.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 3, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, Biron has been loaned to Bridgeport for conditioning.

And Bailey is on the island being evaluated for an upper body injury suffered against Florida.

http://islanders.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=60345&navid=DL|NYI|home

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 3, 2010 4:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

3rd rounder for Biron? Snow should take it.

by rickrays on Feb 3, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember When

Biron’s Agent thought he could get him 4.5 Million a year?

I realize Biron fired him, but if I was him I’d change my address and telephone number and even my name!

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by WebBard on Feb 3, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, I hadn’t realized he fired his agent, but that sure is appropriate given how last summer went down. He might even still be in Philly today if his agent had gauged things right.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 3, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

About a week before he signed with us.

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by WebBard on Feb 3, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously

Waiving Witt was designed to open up a roster spot for the impending Kovalchuk trade.

by AP77 on Feb 3, 2010 6:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ha Ha. Maybe Kovalchuk is going to the KHL? The Flyers want him but only for the shoret term.

by rickrays on Feb 3, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boston has put Ryder on the block

All they would need is a defenseman and a lesser forward and they have the cap space.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 3, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

need a capoligist

By my assesment we are currently sitting right on the fence at 4o mill, ive even put in Kohns salary at hal a mill (I dont know for sure but the guy was a 5th round pick and I dont think he pulled a Martin)

Anyways not sure if theres a problem but if we move Biron another 1.5 comes off the books so we are at 38.5, does this pose to be a problem

by steelermafia on Feb 3, 2010 10:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

made a mistake

Kohn is a 2nd rnd pick. He will make 875,000 agaist the cap but like I said moving Biron for a pick might leave us under the cap can we still make the trade

by steelermafia on Feb 3, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Biron may not be the only one to be traded

As has already been explained, apparently all that happens is that the team has to pay an additional amount that takes it up to the minimum and the amount is divided equally among the players.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 4, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One of capology's problems

One thing about the cap: You accumulate expenditures as you go through the season. So even if you removed, say, Brendan Witt now, you aren’t removing $3 million from your cap hit, you’re removing a pro-rated portion since you’ve already paid him through fifty-something games. (It’s more complex than that, but that’s an important point.)

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 4, 2010 4:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, if someone join the team now, that cap hit starts the day he is here.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 4, 2010 4:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not like the Islanders are getting anyone big anyways. And I doubt if the Isles will ever go for a "Rent-a-Player again.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 4, 2010 4:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

LOL, not like the Isles will get any high end Fa’s any time soon. Wang’s taking the team to China stands out in people’s minds. It doesn’t give oneself a warm fuzzy “ooooh, we are special” feeling. Not when everyone else in hockey continues to say WTF when the Islanders come up in conversations.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 4, 2010 4:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Theres a positive spin, a negative spin, and reality. Lets deal with reality, cause it shows just how fu*ked up this team can be.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 4, 2010 4:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Snow burning the mid night oil making up an offer sheet for Kovalchuk?

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 4, 2010 4:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That would bring new meaning to “Take My wife and Kids, Please!”

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 4, 2010 4:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs


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