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Trade Deadline Fodder: Four Andy Sutton myths

NHL teams are practicing, they're just days away from getting their Olympians back, and we're nearing 2010 NHL Trade Deadline, Act II. With the signing of Andrew MacDonald to a four-year extension, the Islanders have made a firm statement that his 38-game audition has secured him a spot on their blueline going forward. (Time to order that jersey, Hans und Franz.) They also have a few promising blueline prospects not just in major juniors but at least one in the college pipeline.

Throw it all together and it's time to wonder anew, in between Olympic semifinals, if we'll see Andy Sutton in an Islanders uniform again. Ottawa is one of multiple aspiring buyers said to be in the market for a rental. Sutton, in his best and healthiest year in the last four seasons (honk if you love walk years!), has become the glitziest item in the Islanders' store window.

But what are teams getting if they plop down the rental fee for Sutton? Japers' Rink, eyeing the rumors of Capitals interest in Sutton, already did the behind-the-numbers approach in a must-read post, concluding Sutton would be a modest upgrade over what the Caps have -- but at what price?

Meanwhile, in reading the views of other teams' fans it occurs to me that, as with Brendan Witt, there are some impressions of Sutton that are a few years out-of-date. I'd even call them myths, passed around among fans who haven't watched much of Sutton with the Islanders this year. After the jump, we'll line those myths up; you tell me whether you agree:

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GP G A P +/- PIM TOI PKtoi BkS Hits Minors SOG
2009-10 - Andy Sutton 54 4 8 12 -3 73 20:48 2:28
153 155 23 58

 

Myth 1: Andy Sutton is Dirty

This is one that I think stems from his Atlanta days -- which is really the last time Sutton played enough healthy games in a single season for anyone to get a convincing read on his form. From my impression at the time, I do believe there is was something to this. As a player who spanned the pre- and post-lockout NHL, Sutton was well versed in the take-no-rulebook approach to defending, and he had the 100+ PIM seasons to prove it.

It's only fair to note that people also have this impression because he's 6'6", 245 lbs., and throws big hip checks at the left side of the blueline. Big hits ruffle the feathers and put a player on your "I hate that guy" watch.

But, well, I don't know how else to say it except: Sutton's not dirty. At least he hasn't been in 54 games of top-four minutes with the Isles this season. His "dirtiest" moment this year was a split-second careless decision -- a final-minute check to the numbers of his good friend Pascal Dupuis of the Penguins. It wasn't predatory, and it didn't involve "taking a run" or head-hunting. It was a game situation that ended badly, and he paid his dues in the form of a suspension.

Maybe he'd rediscover the dirty while playing gritty minutes for a contender (and playing for his final lucrative payday), but he simply hasn't been that for the Isles. It's telling that his signature hit is a big blueline hip check -- yet he hasn't had a headshot, elbow, or knee-on-knee in that situation all year. The guy doesn't just fly in there without a care, even though his signature hit is the second-toughest type of hit to execute. (I'd call a clean open-ice hip check the toughest.)

 

Myth 2: Andy Sutton is Slow

This one is more debatable and, I think, nuanced. The truth is Sutton doesn't move around much in his own zone. He clearly prefers to use his giant frame to take up positional space and block shots rather than chase wingers in the corners like some such Phaneuf. His (over?)reliance on this positioning tactic makes him look like a big immobile lug out there. There have definitely been times when I've shouted at the screen, wanting him to kick it up a gear and end a cycle by imposing himself in the corner; but playing within his game is probably what makes him most effective. When you're 6'6", your reach and implied territory is often your best asset. Different worlds entirely, but Chris Pronger employs this kind of more stationary coverage quite a bit (along with Pronger's other considerable assets, yada yada. Point being, on the right night in any season of his career, you could think, "Gee, Pronger is slow.")

Meanwhile, though Sutton is not a fleet-footed puck rusher, he can move the puck and he can display speed when the situation requires. He is good and smart about jumping in to join the rush, and he displays surprising mobility and hands when he pinches in for a back door chance down low. Opponents seem to think he's just a slow-moving oil tanker out there at the point -- and then next thing they know he's swooped in down low for a one-on-one chance on the goalie.

Bottom line: If he can be effective as he has been in Scott Gordon's system, then speed is not his problem.


Myth 3: Andy Sutton is an Offensive Defenseman

This was always the weird one. Scoring eight goals twice for Atlanta helped build this "myth" about Sutton, but his career high is still 25 points. Health-related time off aside, he's not going to give you anything but occasional supplementary offense. That doesn't mean he's not capable -- I just claimed above that he can move the puck and move his body into offensive position -- but he's not a top-pair guy for a reason. He can do several things pretty well, none of them (except shot blocking and thundering hip checks) at a league-elite level.

For the Islanders, in logging 20:48 a game, he isn't deployed on the powerplay point. His value is much greater as a penalty killer (2:28 per game) and defensive guy against tough competition at 5-on-5. That's where he gets his minutes with the Isle, and that's how -- in a slightly lesser role -- he'd help a contender.

 

Myth 4: Andy Sutton is Injury-Prone

Well okay, that's not exactly a myth. He has indeed experienced a maddening string of injuries that has shortened several seasons in his career, including every year with the Islanders except the current one. It's not exactly Radek Martinek territory, but it's enough to give you pause. Still, is a broken foot from a shot on a shot-blocker the mark of a fragile guy? Is a fractured hand from a preseason fluke injury the symbol of an injury-prone guy?

Suffice to say, outside of missing six games this year with a groin injury, his last two serious injuries were of the "Act of God" nature referenced above. He's not a guy with problematic joints. He's not exactly a ticking health bomb. People all too often lump all injuries together to depict a "health risk" without looking into the circumstances. For Sutton, his circumstances have included "best shape of his life" training the last two summers, undermined only by two fluke broken bones.

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All of this is not to inflate Sutton's value nor tear him down. Rather, if by fantasy or reality your team is mulling the option to rent an Andy Sutton for the stretch run, you probably want to know what the 2009-10 model looks like. Chances are, they've made some factory modifications since the last Sutton you drove.

(I should add that I know several of these contentions are debated among the commenters at this site. So have at it, one and all...)

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this from Bruce Dowbiggin's "The Meaning of Puck" (p. 101)

I’ve had a couple of fights with friends I’ve played with on other teams. You look over in the penalty box, and the guy gives you a little wink because he knows you’ve done your job….Any friend who’s a real good friend would probably understand at the end of the game when you’re out for a beer, or a [soda] pop.

Andy Sutton

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 26, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

I am up and down on this

One of the arguments against trading either Andy or Mark is that, apart from their value as players, they are great mentors. No doubt Garth wants one or two quality veterans on the blueline to help break the guys in as they come up.

Who knows if Witt will ever crack the roster in Uniondale again? Martinek will be back fro another year, but how long will he stay healthy enough to play? Of course, having Dean Chynoweth as assistant coach is a great help, but it isn’t the same as having a mentor out on the ice with you.

That said, for the right deal, Garth should move Andy. I would prefer a mid to late first round pick. Failing that, Boston is looking for a defenseman and they have a second rounder from Toronto which, at the moment, would go #32 overall. Anything much less than that and I would have to question whether it was in our interest to move Andy.

Working in our favor is the fact that there are a number of teams out there looking for defensive help and most of the other options involve giving up significant position players in trade. So a very high pick isn’t out of the question. I would not settle for anything less.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 26, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

You nailed this Dom. I was actually reading that article on Japer’s and wondered why you didn’t bring up what you did here. I guess it was better for a post than a comment. Funny thing, I had the exact same conversation with someone yesterday about Sutton. Not many fans, can remember him. (My friend mistook Andy for Chris Therien)

I think you bring up a great description of Andy. I don’t know if we over rate him though. ( To me, he’s part of a package that brings back a 1st Rounder and legit prospect.)

by Nyntwun on Feb 26, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, part of that was I really didn’t have time on that day to wade into it too deeply, part was wanting to do a more thorough post, and part of it was no desire to get in a word spat with opposing fans based on our own “but I saw this” limited observation experiences.

I looked into a few of the game histories in the interim (for example, how Sutton performed against Pittsburgh’s stars) and concluded the sample was way too small, the individual goals way too circumstantial, to hold an extreme view on Sutton. He’s a useful player; he might impress a fan on one play, then piss a fan off the next. Kind of like 75% of the D-men in the league.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

ONOZ, the Isles may trade my favorite player!

I’ve never thought of Sutton as dirty at all. In fact, this is the first year that he’s been even remotely physical, so I find that reputation odd. What “mean streak” are these people referring to? I sure as hell haven’t seen it.

I almost choked on my coffee when I read that some people think we’re getting a first round pick for Sutton. I think that’s fantasy land, but hey, if it’s available, Snow should be fired if he doesn’t accept it and the opposing GM should be fired for proposing it.

by AP77 on Feb 26, 2010 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

The dirty

I think a lot of it stems from his Atlanta days and Southeastern divisional battles. Surely Caps fans remember something with him and their boy Green.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

(Time to order that jersey, Hans und Franz.)

Yeah this pretty much seals it. Next paycheck it’s the first thing I’m doing.

On Sutton, I honestly don’t know where to stand. This decision would be so much easier if the East wasn’t so mediocre. I would be fine with it either way, if they resign him to a 1-2 year extension or they trade him and get a like a 1st draft pick or a blue chip prospect in return. Lets not forget, the management of the Islanders has made it rather clear that they are building for the future of the club. Is a soon to be 35 year old Sutton really a part of that when you can sell high and help bring in more younger talent? We will soon find out.

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by David Hanssen on Feb 26, 2010 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

My guess is that Sutton nets no higher than a 3rd rounder. Cf. Guerin, a more productive player.

by AP77 on Feb 26, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Guerin had a limited no movement clause, that’s why he didn’t get any higher than the 3rd rounder. Sutton does not have that restriction. If Dominic Moore is worth a 2nd round pick this year, Sutton is worth at least a 1st or a blue chip prospect.

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by David Hanssen on Feb 26, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoops, sorry for the duplication.

And yeah, that’s the key point with Guerin: His fate was in his control, and other teams knew it. No doubt Shero said, “Yeah Garth, you just let me know when you have a better offer.”

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ll see. I’m not very convinced that the MNC was a major impediment in dealing Guerin. It’s pretty clear that he wanted out and only a playoff team with a chance for a deep run would be interested in adding him in the first place.

But we’ll see. I would be satisfied with anything over a 3rd round pick.

by AP77 on Feb 26, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

To me that precisely defines why that’s the best they could get: He wanted out, but only to specific locations (NMC control), of which only a few teams were even interested.

But yeah, we’ll see. Every time I think I have a read on how the GM collective behaves, someone goes all Waddell or Jacques Martin on things.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess my point was that only certain teams would have been interested in Guerin in the first place — and he would have no reason to block a trade to any of those teams. Put another way, I don’t see how his situation is very different than Sutton’s.

by AP77 on Feb 26, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Meant to add: it’s not like some bottom-dwelling team was going to deal for Guerin . . . any team that would want him would be in line for a long playoff run, which is presumably what he was looking for in the first place.

by AP77 on Feb 26, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I gotcha now. I agree on the Guerin scenario, but I think the market for Sutton is much wider than Guerin’s was. Hell, size alone still makes playoff-dreaming GMs salivate and trade stories of gritty battles of yore.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Please don’t go by what other teams do in trades. Montreal recently overpaid and it should have been obvious.

BTW, I enjoyed Dom’s article on Andy, and I don’t think we should trade him. Sign him please for 3 years and look somewhere else for whatever everyone thinks will make the Isles better. Losing a Better to Great guy for God only knows isn’t what the Isles need.
  The isles will finish around 26th. Keep in mind that some teams have dealt their first round picks before, and moved themselves into contention.
  Instead of detracting a quality player from our defense, lets concentrate on a bigger forward(s) that can score.

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!!

by Martys301 on Feb 26, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

more likely 27th

Unless this team comes out of the gate like a house on fire, the Canes will pass us like we are standing still. Depending on what’s offered for Andy, re-signing might make sense—-but for one or two years, not three. We do need a big forward, which is why I have pushed Nino, but we also need another top four defender, so more picks would help.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 26, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I would think multiple non-1st-round picks at this point.

However when Dominic Moore goes for a 2nd-round pick twice within a year, I can’t rule anything out anymore.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

For those who don’t think Sutton is worth a first….. Chris Campoli?
Alotta teams are looking for a top4 Dman and how many are available that fit that bill or even better, how many are better then an Andy Sutton. I think demand exceeds supply right now and as one top GM put it: if you really want it, a team will pay for it.
I’m guessing Sutton goes for a late first rounder

by neologizer on Feb 26, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Sutton is not a top 4 dman on a good team.

Sure these Campoli deals roll around every once in a while when you run into a moronic GM, but I don’t think they’re the rule.

by AP77 on Feb 26, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Market determines the return
 bunch of teams looking for a Dman. How many are out there, available as a rental that are better then Sutton?

sharkswent for Wallin for a 2nd and 5th already. I get the feeling Garth is going for quality (a la 09) over quantity (’08) on the picks

by neologizer on Feb 26, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

No room at the inn

I think the 08 and 09 drafts were good enough that we shouldn’t even be having debates about extra second and third round picks for a known commodity… even if it’s just so we can watch him for 20 more games.
Who realy wants to end the season with a defensive corps that is M Streit, Chef BRUNO, Andy Mac, Cap’n Jack, Freddy Four and Kohny Island.
The crease will look like Midtown at rush hour… Wang will have to install gridlock cams to aid the officials.
Not to mention your top two goalies will be a 40 year old who can be unwound by uninvited company and a 12 year contract with a very thin comprehensive collision policy.

by JPinVA on Feb 26, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention your top two goalies will be a 40 year old who can be unwound by uninvited company and a 12 year contract with a very thin comprehensive collision policy.

My god that’s gold.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Another reason not to trade Sutton. If anything, find someone desparate enough for maybe Bruno and Freddy. The two of them make a perfect Jekyll and Hyde unit.

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!!

by Martys301 on Feb 26, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

you are relying on GMs being total morons

they don’t generally give up picks for players we don’t want. For the right return, we should consider moving Andy and Roly. I am not concerned with winning a few games this year of next. I am concerned with building a team that can compete for the Cup 2-3 years down the road.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 26, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The Campoli example

I think there are two important factors with Campoli:

  • it was a team that had multiple first-round picks (so giving away the extra and weaker one isn’t as big of a hit)
  • Campoli wasn’t just a rental. Murray was definitely thinking long-term, like he was getting a guy about to break out (ha!). How the price differs for that vs. a pure rental for your playoff run, I guess depends on the GM and maybe even the finances of the market he’s in.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Your point is a good one on the difference.

I was thinking more of urgency vs return. With a thin blue line FMIV and Sutton UFAs, WItt effectively done, Martinek a UFA after next season and always hurt I don’t see the absolute urgency to trade Sutton. Yes Hillen, MacDonald and soon daHaan with Streit look good in a couple of years but until then???

The suggestions to sign Sutton for another 2 isn’t a bad one. So why settle for anything but a first round pick/top prospect

by neologizer on Feb 26, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

There is always the possibility that you can trade Sutton and then re-sign him. Hell, the Isles can offer him more money than anyone else just because they need to get to the floor.

by AP77 on Feb 26, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh man, I just got a good laugh imagining your reaction if Sutton is dealt only to return on July 1. He’s baaa-aaaaack…

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The suggestions to sign Sutton for another 2 isn’t a bad one. So why settle for anything but a first round pick/top prospect

Yeah, it seems like that right there is where many stand. The missing link here is whether Snow has had any extension negotiations with Sutton. Sure feels like not (I’d think the agent might have chirped by now), but who knows?

To me, that is it: IF Snow has reason to believe there are good offers for Sutton, great. Ship him. But please be aggressive about replacing that depth and size in the offseason.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Question is…what number? Surely he won’t stay at 57.

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!!

by Martys301 on Feb 26, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The more I think about it, the more I feel he will keep 47. Of the “Typical” defenseman numbers many are already assigned. 2 is Streit, 3 is de Haan, 4 is Flood (Though probably not past this year), 5 is some guy named Denis. Plus as many pointed out it might be cool to have his old number on a jersey if he does change it.

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by David Hanssen on Feb 26, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Some guy named Denis. haha

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!!

by Martys301 on Feb 26, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Sutton Place

Nice work Dom. I wish I hadn’t just posted thrice in previous threads about the value of Andy Sutton.
This team needs Andy back more than they need a 3rd (or even a low 2nd) rounder. If you could get Toronto’s second rounder from Boston(as posted on a prev thread) and have already worked out a deal with Andy’s agent that he will return… then I’d deal him. But to give up exclusivity on a guy who FITS and appears to be willing to play within his role for reasonable compensaton just doesn’t make sense.
If you lose Andy and Snow gets shut out in July this team takes a step backwards in October and November next year and has to keep it’s fingers crossed beyond that.
Losing Witt and Sutton in one year removes ALL PHYSICAL play from one of the softer teams in the NHL.
So… argue about all the wonderful potential a draft pick brings… but I don’t want to lose what we know Andy brings.
…and speaking of Myths… I’ve always thought of their (Hillen/Sutton) as Cracken Jack. Because that’s what I feel a defensive pairing should be. One guy to act as a 4th forward in transition and one guy to rise from the depths of the sea to BRING SOME PAIN! Almost all of the Islander Highlight hits have been Andy standing up a guy on the blue line. After that, there aren’t too many memorable hits this season.

by JPinVA on Feb 26, 2010 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Nice work Dom. I wish I hadn’t just posted thrice in previous threads about the value of Andy Sutton.

Ha, thanks and sorry about that! Just saw your comments after posting this one.

I do believe the Hillen complement was an important element for Sutton. Pair him with the right guy, and you have a nice combo. Sutton’s best 5-on-5 numbers last year came while he was paired with Mr. “I make you look good” Mark Streit.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I was having this conversation at lunch about this very subject as it pertains to the [lack of] anticipation I have for the coming baseball season. The subject was wether or not to trade Andy… and it brought to light that it is this type of community rife with debate and commentary about hockey that has re-engaged me with hockey and the Islanders. You don’t get much of this in Central Virginia…
On the baseball blogs everybody is a an Ogilvie. All they want to talk about is a guys batting average against LH pitchers with the wind blowing from left to right and a runner with questionable speed on second base… when there is less than 60% capacity attendance and the one of the hot dog vendors calls out sick.
Here, in reality, we are talking about a team that is in last place in its division, finished last in the league last year, and will most likely go into next season not much more than 10% above the Salary Cap FLOOR… and not only the HOST, but the community in general is an interesting read…not discussing the +/- of a fourth line forward when playing on nights where the humidity is above 87%, in a predominantly french speaking city where the opposing coach has had a DUI in the past 18 months.
THANKS!

by JPinVA on Feb 26, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

De nada!

I probably don’t say this enough, but I really appreciate everyone’s participation here. This stuff isn’t life-or-death, but hearing different perspectives on this sport and team makes it worthwhile — particularly when people can disagree like buddies busting chops in a bar rather than trolls baiting one another in a chat room.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha! Especially for a guy from St. Louis! You do a good job Dom!!!

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!!

by Martys301 on Feb 26, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

people can disagree like buddies busting chops in a bar rather than trolls baiting one another in a chat room.

On that, please note the Sutton quote at the top of the comments. It is funny how the worm turns. At the start of the year, I was suggesting we might get a first rounder for Andy and everybody was taking shots at me. Now….well, as the Good Book says, “Let Wisdom be justified by her children.”

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 26, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh, well the jury on that is still out, so don’t claim victory just yet! (Pride goeth before the fall?)

I don’t remember specifically, but I know I didn’t expect Sutton to: 1) rediscover his near-peak form, and 2) GMs to be offering quality picks after only Jokinen and Campoli fetched 1st-rounders last year (Campoli’s being a late and extra one). Even though I see it as more feasible now than I did in October, I’ll still be surprised if he fetches a 1st; it requires both a bidding war and a team/GM in the right situation.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 27, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm claiming victory in that everyone seems to be seriously considering the idea

even the SI ( or was it ESPN?) article suggesting a Streit move. I think you do have a number of teams that want to upgrade on D that do not want to give up now players for it. Dunno if Phoenix is looking for D, but they certainly have two mid to late first rounders.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 28, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

They are suggesting a Streit move because he is a good player on a team that isnt in a playoff spot- and they pull these kinds of things completely out of their asses because of that. Streit isnt cap-friendly for teams near the ceiling, he has multiple years left on his deal, and the Isles are absolutely desperate for solid defense- and to make the cap floor themselves. Moving Streit makes zero sense whatsoever. There is not one good reason why the Isles should even think about it.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Mar 1, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Most teams would need to send back a salary

but if a team offered a healthy collection of prospects and picks in addition to a veteran, it might be worth considering. That said, I don’t think it will happen either.

by BCISLEMAN on Mar 1, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Victory denied

Sutton goes for a late 2nd-round pick.

Lighthouse Hockey: What's wrong with lotteries? I've been in lots of lotteries.

by Dominik on Mar 13, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what I think...

If Sutton gets a first rounder – it will be a 2011 pick not 2010. The 2010 draft is looking a lot stronger than 2011, thus GM’s are more likely to deal picks from 2011. This is what occurred with the Moore trade.

I would agree with Dom on the return though – probably a 2011 2nd and a 2010 2nd/3rd or prospect instead.

I also doubt that the Isles get Sutton back without some form of overpayment – either in term or cap hit (the latter being more tolerable than the former). The problem is though is that Sutton is performing better than at any time in his career. Can he keep his head above water playing the tough minutes (minutes he has never played in the past)? Is this Sutton taking it to another level or just a flash in the pan?

Personally, I doubt he can keep it up.

by HugoAgogo on Feb 26, 2010 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

Well put.

Flash, pan.

by AP77 on Feb 26, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

said it before

I think it is a big mistake to trade him, and the team will suffer the last 20 games without him.

that siad I am happy we signed MacDonald, he has played a solid game and really seemed to be stepping up more the last 6-8 games. I think after he gets this year under his belt we may seem some more offensive numbers, but more importantly good defensive zone skill

by Rickfansince76 on Feb 27, 2010 12:50 AM EST reply actions  

I agree completely on almost everything and anyway would be ok with either decision by Snow. Myth 4 is the most interesting one to me, however. I wouldn’t say Sutton was injury-prone, but – and maybe that’s the same with lots of players – it looks to me like he needs to be extremely healthy to perform at his best. I liked him a lot early in the season, but not as much anymore after the 6-game break due to a groin injury. Not sure, though, if the stats were telling the same, but that’s my feeling.
We saw a lot more of his trademark hits along the boards early on. He did it almost every other game – but I don’t think he delivered more than two or three of those after the injury break. Moreover, he missed many of them, leading to very good chances and as far as I remember one goal at least.

I surely didn’t follow his career enough to make a good assessment overall. I could be wrong therefore, but it seems to take him time to get his game together again after injuries and he thrives particularly early in the season. So, my concern (or you might want to call it a myth) would be Sutton fades as the season goes on.
If that was true and Sutton was traded, the other team might not get what it expected and we wouldn’t miss as much as we might think just from watching Sutton early in the season

by BenHasna on Mar 1, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn’t say Sutton was injury-prone, but – and maybe that’s the same with lots of players – it looks to me like he needs to be extremely healthy to perform at his best.

That’s a really interesting topic, actually. With all of these players you never know when they’re playing through injury, and I’d buy that — that a guy like Sutton needs to be in good health to maximize his specific skills.

Sort of what I was after with the Witt post; a guy like that probably does whatever he can, playing-through-injury-wise, to help the team — to the point that he ends up hurting the team. And that has to be a tough road to navigate between management, trainers and player.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Mar 1, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed. Did you listen to the interview with Scott Gordon today on islanders.nhl.tv? From 1:45 on he talks about how much Andy Sutton loved the break. Sutton told him he hadn’t realized how sore he had been, etc.
So, it looks like Sutton has recovered and that could mean Ottawa will have a great time with big Andy indeed.

by BenHasna on Mar 2, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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