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Islanders resume practice; another goalie hits the market?

The non-Olympic Islanders resumed practice today, with Katie Strang tweeting a few roster/injury updates. For example, Tim Jackman and Jack Hillen are skating with modified headgear. The Bridgeport forward trio remain with the Sound Tigers for now -- there are three more Sound Tigers games (including tonight against Abbotsford) before the Islanders resume their schedule. After today, only one of Scott Gordon or Mark Streit will have an excuse to play hooky. (Not to be confused with "hockey," for which they need no excuse.)

Of relevance, I believe, to Garth Snow's trade deadline strategy is news of a contract extension today: Nashville has chosen its goaltender of the future, and his name is Pekka Rinne, signed to a two-year $6.8 million extension. (Interesting side discussion: The salary escalates from $2.8 million to $4 million in year two; an innocent raise, or an astute small-market move to leave the larger cash commitment for the year when Rinne could be trade rental bait?)


GP MIN W L GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
2009-10 - Dan Ellis 27 1480 13 11 64 2.59 734 670 .913 1
2009-10 - Martin Biron 19 1074 4 11 58 3.24 577 519 .899 1

The Predators could still keep fellow UFA Dan Ellis on board, but the fact they've made their choice a week before the trade deadline hints that there is likely another low-cost depth goalie on the trade market who would provide competing bids next to Snow's peddling of Martin Biron. Ellis' cap hit is $1.75, Biron's is $1.4. This situation was always probably in the cards anyway, as Bossy knows the goalie market is only likely to get more flooded as more teams conclude that if they can't get a rare Luongo or Vokoun in the very upper tier of goalies, then it's not worth paying the premium for a big name.

However, in the context of handicapping Snow's chances to fetch any sort of meaningful return for selling goalie insurance to a playoff contender, this affects the market in an unhappy way.

Comment on goalies and the roster here. If you're watching USA-Switzerland, pick up gameday discussion in the previous thread.

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Dom, it would appear that goalies are a dime a dozen these days.
According to http://www.thefourthperiod.com/. a hockey rumor site based in Canada, Jaroslav Halak of the Canadiens is still available, although personally, I’m not sold on Price.
  Another goalie, Vokoun of the Panthers might be traded also. This guy has been an Islander killer, and I wouldn’t be sorry to see him go.
  So while we Islander fans debate Roloson or Biron, the time may have passed for over-age (Rolo) or underachiever (Biron).
 Sure, we’ll be able to trade one or both of them, but will we only be left a bitter after taste and a goalie fresh off a year and a half rehab?
  I prefer we keep Rolo and let Ricky rest ALOT. Deal Biron before the deadline, and when we see what we get for him, just say to yourself “that’s what he was worth”. Because to expect riches when your poor is just dreaming.

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by Martys301 on Feb 24, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Dunno about that

Anybody can publish a rumor, but it is still unclear as to whether Montreal will put either of its netminders on the market. As Montreal is very much in contention and Montreal is Montreal, they will probably want a prime player as opposed to a pick if they do put one or the other goalie on the market. For example, Eyes on the Prize has a rumor that Gainey had offered Halak to Philly for Carter. I don’t know if the rumor is true, but it sounds like what they would want. Philly or any other contending buyer would undoubtedly prefer to give up a pick rather than a prime player, so Biron might still be more appealing…esp since he has playoff experience that Halak lacks. Same deal with Vokoun. Cats aren’t going to sell him cheap. A team looking for a backup is not going to want to give up a big asset in exchange. They’ll be more likely to take Biron and only give up a late second or third rounder.

Roly has shown that he can still play quite well and he has had the experience of getting his team to the Conference Finals twice and the Cup Finals once. He will be in demand. Question is how much will other teams give up for him. I would not move him for anything less than a first rounder. Chicago might be willing to make that deal. Andy will get some interest as well. Boston is looking for a defenseman and has a few second round picks. The second rounder from Toronto would be good. There will undoubtedly be some big time offers for Mark as well (as discussed on another thread). It’s hard to imagine a deal sweet enough to move him, but Garth would be foolish not to listen. So there are potential moves to be made. It is all a question of who Garth thinks he can part with and how good the offers are.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 24, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Halak

I agree, seems Halak has been better than Price. I saw that Dallas also let go Auld, so it seems the Isles may not be able to get much for a goalie this year. Just our luck, most years goalies are a solid commodity to sell.

by Rickfansince76 on Feb 25, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Halak v. Price

I keep seeing conflicting rumors on that. I’m sure they want to stoke a market of bids, but are they ready to decide? When Gauthier took over he acted like wanted to keep both (which could have just been PR, etc.).

Anyway, I see Halak/Price in a different market or price tier: Halak could be your “goalie of the future” and when you get him, you get his rights in restricted free agency. Ellis, Biron, etc. as UFAs are simple depth or crisis insurance guys for the stretch run. Vokoun is a great piece if you can fit him in, but his salary puts you in a different orbit.

The goalie market is flooded, no matter how you look at it.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 25, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

My point is, I guess,

that the teams that would be interested in Halak, Price, or Vokoun would be unlikely to be interested in Biron and vice bersa. Even Ellis I am not sure about. The Preds seem to want a substantial asset for Hamhuis who is also a UFA. Why would they not want the same for Ellis?

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 25, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we’re on the same page here. There are different profiles of goalies available, and different sets of teams that (if they even want a goalie) would be interested in any of them.

With Nashville, I think the price issue for Ellis is supply/demand. Ellis, though quite solid so far, is just another UFA goalie who could help you but is also unproven in the proverbial “playoff goalie” department. Some teams may want backup insurance; but for the teams that think they need a whole new #1, there aren’t really any exciting possibilities out there.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 25, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I do, but with conditions

Halak looks like a good candidate but you’re still betting on an unproven commodity.

Vokoun is definitely that but his salary (and possibly even his no-trade clause) means he’s a tough fit. That’s all I mean: Every candidate out there carries caveats.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 25, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

As to Nashville, they are also rumored to be moving Hamhuis, but they will probablu want prime assets for him as well as Ellis. I think Biron should command a decent pick simply because of the cap hits and trade demands involved with other potential goalie acquisitions.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 24, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

Halak to Philly for Carter

That was the predominant rumor.

Florida is out of the playoffs for now, and maybe they see themselves as sellers.

Even at 40 yrs old, Roloson plays best when he has steady workload. DP should play every 5th or 6th game. Let the guys on the team have a chance to regain respect for themselves.

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by Martys301 on Feb 24, 2010 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

FL may look to move Horton and / or Vokoun…if they can get the right return. I could see the Caps making a play for Vokoun.

I think the “guys” have to realize that it isn’t about this year. This team needs to build for the future. If we can get the right return for players like Roly, Andy, and Marty, we need to make the move. DP and Co can provide adequate goaltending for the last 20 games of the season.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 24, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Philly trading Carter, I doubt that

if Philly is looking to move Carter for a goalie, we need to get into those talks. He can put some pucks in the net and is still is young. That said I don’t see them trading their top scorer for a goalie, Leighton is playing solid

by Rickfansince76 on Feb 25, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

yes and that;s my point

with goalies like Halak, Vokoun, and maybe even Ellis, their teams will be looking for assets more valuable than the late second or third round pick Gartn might want for Biron and his cap hit would be less than most of them as well.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 25, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Halak-tosus

If Halak eliminates Team Canada and the call is timed correctly you’ll be able to get him from Montreal for a curling stone and a teaspoon of Johnny Weir’s magic dust.
On the other hand, if he loses 1-0 after making 40+ saves NHL GM’s will be playing The PRICE is Right.

by JPinVA on Feb 25, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

There is a question as to whether Montreal will trade him at all. If they do, they will insist upon a big time asset no matter what Halak does against Canada. Of course, if he kicks butt, his value will go up even more. Either way, Montreal isn’t going to be trading for the NHL asset equivalent of curling stones and magic dust.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 25, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Parodies Lost

I was pointing to the fact that a MONTREAL goaltender will have shattered the CANADIAN hockey dream. I doubt any of the phone calls have included used curling equipment or Mr. (?) Weir’s Johnson and Johnson Baby Powder… but I’m pretty sure Hab fans’ love for the guy will cool as his value goes up… they’ll get over it eventually… especially if he gets them deep into the playoffs.

by JPinVA on Feb 25, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

From Halak-tosus to Parodies Lost

You are on a punning roll, sir. Reminding me of an old dearly departed friend and colleague.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 25, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Reply truncated

Weird, it cut off the rest of my reply, which was: This friend and punster actually had one hand, and the few times at work I made the mistake of telling him, “Sorry, I don’t know the answer to that off-hand,” he’d interject, feigning offense: “Now just what the hell are you trying to say?!” and threaten to call HR. He was a character.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 25, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Dom, no Canada-Russia thread? The Russians are so sub par, I think the Germans played better against the Nucks. The Russian coach waited too long to pull Nabakov. He let in horrendous goals before he was benched.

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by Martys301 on Feb 24, 2010 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

Check the Earlier thread.

"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.

by Mark D on Feb 24, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The last two were bad but I honestly dont blame him for the ones before that. The Russian team played so halfassed I couldnt believe it.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 24, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That was awful. They essentially lived every stereotype of Russian hockey Wednesday. To think I thought it would be close…

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 25, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Me, too

I really thought it would be a heartstopper. Instead, the Russin team seemed heartLESS. Even Ovechkin and Malkin were like, meh. And their special teams looked as good as the Islanders. The Islanders.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 25, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Nabokov

Think SJ might get involved in the goalie Market given Nabokovs tendency to disappear in the playoffs?

"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.

by Mark D on Feb 24, 2010 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

he looked horrible tonight. But its up to the coach to pull him whn things go bad…not after the goalie is so stressed he looks stupid.

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by Martys301 on Feb 24, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I was surprised they switched to Nabokov mid-tourney anyway. The higher the stakes, the more I trust Bryzgalov over Nabokov anyway. His performance had to make San Jose fans nauseous.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 25, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

not for Biron

Roly might tempt some teams that are looking to make a deep run.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 24, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

so Streit can rest now

that is the good part of the SUI losing, Mark gets almost a full week off now and can come back rested. I wonder what practice is like without Gordon there, if it is like having a substitute in high school and everyone is looser

by Rickfansince76 on Feb 25, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting Point

The roster should be as good and COMPLETE as it has been since Gordon took the job. With Jackman and Hillen skating, and Joensuu/Martin in Bridgeport (but on shuttle standby) they will have to make some moves… definitely lineup, and maybe roster while he’s away. the final decisions won’t be necessary before he is back, but you have to believe that anything being planned for the restart of the season is being worked out over a cell phone.
Garth: Scott… we really have to move. I have gotten a few offers for Andy, and I think we can move Marty as well. Jack is ready…(5 minutes later)… and with Matt and Jesse pushing we may have to do something with Sean. What do you think?
Scott: What was that Snowy, You’re breaking up, and the Swedish XC team was just walked into the Tim Hortons… jeezuss those chicks are HOT!
Garth: Nevermind

by JPinVA on Feb 25, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I was in Tim Horton’s several times in Buffalo. I wish they would come down to the city to compete with Dunkin Donuts

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by Martys301 on Feb 25, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I know my wife hates Tim's coffee

but she likes their chili. I always get something with lemon in it when we stop there on a road trip.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 25, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i’m not a coffee drinker, but i love the bagel & soup combo

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by Martys301 on Feb 25, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Tim and Kevin's Excellent Adventure

I’ve never been to a Tim Horton’s, but I am inundated by the commercials on Center Ice broadcasts. I never really paid much attention to it until watching a Kevin Smith (Clerks, Mall Rats, Chasing Amy…etc…I’m a big fan) Q&A on DVD. He has man lust for Tim Bits (?). Considering Smith has been removed from a Southwest flight for taking up too much space… they must be good!
Maybe he’ll write a Canadian version of Harold and Kumar go to White Castle… "Jay and Silent Bob go to Tim Horton’s"… where our protagonists find themselves in a Datsun B210 looking for crack houses and midnight breakfast specials with Theo Fleury.
But I digress…

by JPinVA on Feb 25, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

They are a Canadian Dunkin Donuts

but are named after the late Leafs defenseman Tim Horton. As a result, they are big into hockey and supporting youth hockey in Canada. I will be sharing an article on Canada and hockey which will include one of several ads that feature Sid.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 25, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

One in Paw, too.....

…..for whatever reason Pawtucket RI rates in the eyes of Tim Horton’s management, there’s one in that city…..

by ogam5 on Feb 25, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Streit will appreciate the rest

According to Swiss media, he suffered from herpes zoster. Not much further infos were published, just that “it had been under control by the start of the Olympic tournament”. Not sure of course, but that might have been why Streit had not exactly logged the usual minutes in some of the Islanders’ games just prior to the break.

by BenHasna on Feb 26, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Ouch!

That would make a difference, yikes.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 26, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Mark Streit has had shingles?
Wow, that sucks. Poor Mark. No wonder he has been given passes on so many practices!
Ill say this- if he has been sick, the fact that he has been playing and is still having a good (not great) season is a real credit to him.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 26, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Last Night

So last night I was watching all the great hockey being played (who would have thought Canada/Russia would have been the worst game of the night???) and I got really depressed. We have to start watching the Islanders again next week! What a drop off in play that will be to watch!!

by The Fitz on Feb 25, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

Haha, I had that fear at the beginning of the tournament, but I am way too fascinated by the rebuild to be disappointed when Islanders play resumes. I’m enjoying this low-expectation phase for its sort of civic engineering element (feels like the Isles are building a city from the ground up, and each decision has unknown long-term consequences).

But I must say, I do love the contrast in perspectives here. We’ve got you on one hand feeling depressed that this tourney will end, and then in the other corner we have RF76 uninterested in the Olympics and desperate for the NHL to resume.

Personally, once the NHL playoffs start I’m like a child on a sugar IV. I can’t get enough, and sleep is an afterthought.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 25, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Garth Snow, The next Frank Llloyd Wright of the NHL

I am enjoying Olympic Hockey and Curling, but I’m with you, Dom… the traction that’s starting to build under the Islanders is becoming quite fascinating. For the first time in a long time I feel engaged with the team (thanks to Botta and yourself) and they finally seem to be building from a plan that was developed on something more permanent than a coffee stained napkin.
The decade+ of bad ownership mixed with poor management decisions is finally starting to wear off… and I’ve even started to follow Bridgeport with an interest in how all this is going to shake out. It’s really getting fun to be an Islander fan again.

by JPinVA on Feb 25, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Anders Lee is perhaps the signature of the Garth-Ryan-Kenny team

meeting organizational needs with with smart, talented, intelligent guys who are loaded with character.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 25, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Pleased I am

…but worried that Canada now gets the weaker opponent.

It was deja vu to see them apparently ice it with the insurance goal — only to give it right back under a minute later. Still, I find this collection of aging Slovakian stars more fun to watch than the Czechs, anyway. I’d love for them to make the gold medal game.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 25, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I am thrilled for them. (The Slovakian team is so former Islanders!)

But unfortunately I think Canada will crush them. :(

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 25, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

it might not be that much of a cakewalk for Canada

To my thinking, Halak is a much better goalie than Nabokov. He could keep Slovakia in it.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 26, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I would LOVE that.
My friends have been joking that I am secretly Slovakian because Ive been rooting for them, bigtime.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 26, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

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