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The China Question: Wang's wish for the Islanders

File under minor irritants: Josh Bailey is headed home to have his "upper body" injury from the Panthers game looked at ... Martin Biron, who has dressed as backup the last two games, is headed to AHL Bridgeport to get some actual game work in.

But the big long-term news from earlier this week is that Charles Wang has decided to have his team start the 2010-11 season with a handicap. Sure, putting his team behind at the starting gun is not actually Wang's intention -- in truth he seems well-meaning and very big-picture oriented with his continuing efforts to promote hockey in China, what with the rinks and the youth tournaments he's created. As he told Katie Strang:

"The world is much bigger, there is so much more to it than hockey. We have so much, we need to reach out to other people."

Well I agree. But is this the avenue for that outreach?

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Public relations aside, there really is no on-ice benefit to having your NHL squad begin the arduous seven-month journey of an NHL season by spending 10 days of its training camp dealing with the logistical, physical, dietary and jet lag headaches of traveling all the way to China, then bouncing around the country, then traveling all the way back. To add to the anywhere-but-Long Island feel to September's camp, they also will play another exhibition game in Saskatoon Sept. 29.

As someone who loves this sport and who is generally a believer in the benefits of international exchange, I try to look at this as a meaningful gesture consistent with Wang's long-running outreach. But as an Islanders fan I can't help feeling the club is undermining next season before it even begins.

I fully believe global relations are more important than hockey, and big unquantifiable gains can be made from small gestures. I'm just not sure using the NHL club's training camp for it is the way to go.

More from Strang:

When asked whether he was concerned about the amount of travel the team will undergo and the potential implications, Wang said:

"If we don't ever try how will we know? The advantage and the reward is far greater than the risk -- being too tired or whatever. We hope this inspires them to a new height."

I wonder if Islanders players were asked of their opinion before this was arranged? (To be fair, the NHLPA signed off.) I wonder if anyone in the organization could tell Wang it's a negative move for hockey operations -- and if such a conclusion would matter?

Because this is greater, farther, and a bigger deal than opening the season in Europe. This is spending 10 days traveling, touring, adjusting to new physiological stimuli -- and preparing for an NHL season not by playing NHL or even AHL competition, but the Chinese national team.

That said, Wang obviously firmly believes any physical troubles will be worth the awe-inspiring experience of visiting one of the world's greatest, oldest cultures:

“We have a young team that’s really coming together,” said Wang, whose family left Shanghai for the United States in 1952.

“They’re great kids, and I want to give them something that will open up their eyes,” he said. “When they see the Great Wall, the Forbidden City, Tiananmen Square, it’ll just blow them away. I wanted them to bond together with an experience that will really bring them together, an experience they’re never going to duplicate in their lives.”

People debate whether European travel affects the NHL teams that have opened there, or if it's just an excuse when their seasons wilt. People debate whether training camp really means all that much to today's already in-shape players. Fair enough. Maybe I shouldn't worry.

We will get plenty of warm human-interest stories from the trip. We will get some "The More You Know" moments. But while this trip may be eye-opening and soul-altering for the mostly young players in this franchise's rebuild, it's not going to do much to prepare them for next season. As one of many fans who have been patient through this franchise's struggles to get the on-ice product right, that kind of sucks.

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Islanders training camp in China: Where do you stand?
It's spreading the faith: Yay for hockey!
46 votes
It's bigger than sports: Yay for culture!
27 votes
Not thrilled, but Wang can do what he wants with his team.
75 votes
Anything that makes next season harder is a bad idea, full stop.
74 votes

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team building vs. game readiness

Another part of the equation is the benefits of team building. This seems more meaningful and significant than a change for the team to go skip practice and go bowling one afternoon.

The NHL schedule is often fairly light early in the year. The fatigue should not impact the team beyond the first couple of regular-season games.

by Craig Buckser on Feb 2, 2010 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

I bet the Islanders can get a good deal on one of those Learning Chinese programs. LOL

After this, never again ask “Why can’t the Islanders get good FA’s?”
Why? Because you don’t see the Yankees goin to China for spring training, do you?

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 2, 2010 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

Don’t the Yankees have a big name Japanese player…Matsui ? That would certainly explain why you would go there…to display their guy in a Yankee uniform.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 2, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Baseball exists in Japan in the way it does today largely because of American teams going there on trips like this one in the 1930s. So trips like this could foster the atmosphere that will allow the Matsuis and Ichiros and Dice-Ks of hockey to flourish.

Perhaps today IS a good day to die.
- Klingon proverb

by fightoffyourdemons on Feb 3, 2010 3:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we are all aware of the pictures of Ruth and Gehrig in Japan. That was a long time ago. And, they brought other major leaguers with them. The Yankees at that time didn’t go to Japan alone.
  But we are talking China here. While they may have some skaters….notice I didn’t say hockey players, the extent of their teams or arenas for that matter is pretty much unknown to the common hockey fan here. And while I might be the skeptic, all you have to do is go to the story at TSN and see what others outside of Islander country are saying. http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308708
   As positive as we can be about the Islander’s future, alot of people see this as the wrong move. Even Dom’s poll shows 37% against, and then 27% saying “its Wangs team…” I was surprised to see 27% say “its good for hockey”.
   Although whats good for hockey may not be for the Islanders right now. That crazy summer when the Islanders changed GM’s like change for a quarter is still fresh in alot of people’s minds. And who hasn’t heard the one about the goalie being signed for 15 years one too many times? That is the image created by the team and management. Oh, I forgot. We were dead friggin last in 08-09. And of course we can’t get a new arena in Nassau. Billy Jaffe said that when teams come to town it’s the first thing they ask.
    It’s almost embarrassing to say “I’m an Islander fan”. But I hav been since 73-74. And i taught my cousin and my son about it. In other words, we live it. I had a trip to WVa to see someone, and I told her I was an Islander fan. You know what she said? A girl from the hollars of WVa? “oh, I’m so sorry”
     Bad enough my Bro-in-law is a Rags fan.

  Making the team stand out by doing somethin outrageous does not help the team. Oh it may help the players gel. But that’s why the team goes off to Canada somewhere. Let some other team lead the way to the orient. This will be the reason why you won’t see a big name FA on the Islanders.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 3, 2010 4:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m sorry that was so long.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 3, 2010 4:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Planting seeds in China

I don’t even mind the Islanders being the ones to do this — if anything, with Wang’s connections and outreach, they’re the perfect ones. But I’d much prefer it be some sort of early summer goodwill tour — or, heh, an adventure while 16 other teams are in the playoffs — rather than a replacement for training camp.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 3, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I am still worried about the effect on potential FAs

esp if he hasn’t achieved some sort of resolution re Lighthouse. It will just be a reminder that the Isles have a whack owner who is more worried about playing Marco Polo than he is about resolving pressing team business.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 3, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Unless there are free agents looking for a free expenses-paid trip to China — and a way of lightening the training camp load, to boot!

Seriously though, it very well could have an effect; I’m sure it will depend on the player’s disposition. I don’t expect they’ll be a big contender this summer. But if they’re going to be a legit bidder for a true quality free agent, they’ll need to throw some money and term around regardless.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 3, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

just another item to add to prospective FAs

Top Ten Reasons why I do not want to play for the Islanders. We need to get two decent physical forwards and two decent physical defensemen. It would be nice to get Poni or Frolov, but that’s probably a pipe dream.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 3, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

how bout them apples

consider this biggest tv event of the year drawing just over 100 million viewers was last yrs superbowl.
- 2mill for a 30 sec commercial the build-up the hype everyone in america knows about the superbowl

 2008 NBA regular season game between Yao ming of the Houston Rockets versus some other chinesse guy is 2nd man off the bench had aired at 5:00 am in the morning in China

Over 200 million viewers woke up at or b4 5am to watch that regular season game

Hey if anyone can tap into a billion chinese shopping population I hope its the Islander

by steelermafia on Feb 2, 2010 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

You can’t blame the Chinese for supporting of their own… I doubt if the Islanders willrecieve that amount of support. Even Park is Korean.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 2, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

there are many things just plain wrong about this....the biggest?

any FA on the bubble about signing here might be turned off…although I suppose he could have an understanding that he would not have to join the team until they returned.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 2, 2010 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

Who or what team has money - good teams r tapped out

You guys make it seem these players are going to have millions just thrown at them A) salary cap B) they are talking depression let alonme a recission going on in the US. Most of these guys want gurantees and stabilty theres enough guys like Guerin who believe still has his family living on long islan cause thats how nice it there.

by steelermafia on Feb 2, 2010 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

not true

LA and Phoenix are very good this year and they certainly are not tapped out. We have just spent some time discussing how the Rangers have cleared cap space. Colorado has cap space. Buffalo, Dallas, Detroit. Montreal, the Devils, Toronto, Washington are some of the teams that have at least decent cap space now and will find space for the players they really want. All of those teams are contenders now and none of them to my knowledge have anything like the Lighthouse debacle hanging over them. Stability?! We are just starting to quash the notion that this team is moving to KC and this joker sends them on some Marco Polo quest.

And as far as Guerin, his family may be here, but he is not. He came here with the idea that he would captain a team that would contend. When it became evident that the team would be years away from doing that, he was quite happy to play for someone else. The best or even middle of the road FAs were going to be hard enough to attract here anyway. This will only make it more difficult.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 2, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Two things:

1) Apparently more chinese watched the Li Na Sererena Williams Tennis Semi final than there are American citizens. Huge market.

2) I have to assume that the boys are going to be starting the season on the West coast, yes? Perhas the travel wont be so horrible.

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Feb 2, 2010 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

1) Apparently more chinese watched the Li Na Sererena Williams Tennis Semi final than there are American citizens. Huge market.

I agree, and here’s some more stuff to support that point.

The Hockey News in their Olympic Preview issue listed China, Kazakhstan and Denmark and the three emerging hockey powers. They already have a pretty active and successful Women’s hockey program and as the summer Olympics in 2008 showed if the Chinese government thinks they can be very successful at a sport, especially an Olympic sport, they will spend a shit-ton of money developing it. If the NHL decides in the next CBA to withdraw from the Olympics, I think China would pounce on that opportunity.

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Feb 2, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you so often, Dom...

…but Im just not agreeing with you here. Experiences like this are bonding experiences and they are documented to foster togetherness and cooperation. There are very good reasons that businesses do things like this instead of just training people and telling them to do their jobs.

As far as a disadvantage goes, I dont see it. These are exhibition games, not NHL games. But look at the Rangers starting off the season far away in Europe… were they at a disadvantage? Far from it- in fact, the time they played away AND when they got back was the most productive part of their entire season!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 2, 2010 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

As far as a disadvantage goes, I dont see it.

Well, travel for one. You think flying cross country or across the Atlantic is exhausting, the flight to China is murder. About the only place worse would be Australia or New Zealand to have your training camp. Prague and Stockholm are a lot closer in terms of travel time than anywhere in China, ~7-8 hours compared to 14 hours. Do you really want your team starting the season physically and mentally exhausted from that trip?

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Feb 2, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You think flying cross country or across the Atlantic is exhausting, the flight to China is murder. About the only place worse would be Australia or New Zealand to have your training camp.

This is my biggest concern here. Flying to Central Europe is disorienting, but it’s nothing compared to going all the way to Asia (albeit the other direction, over the Pacific). Here they’ll be there just long enough to get used to the travel, not play decent competition, then fly back and adjust all over again.

On one hand they’re elite athletes, they can handle it; on the other hand they’re elite athletes and not office workers, they can’t pop a Red Bull to get through their work day. I’m also worried it will set up built-in excuses for any early season struggles (heh, kind of like what I’m doing right now).

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 3, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

and, again, the FA issue

Even if it were agreed that Poni, for example, would not have to make the trip (assuming we could get him to the point of signing—-and if you don’t like him—fine—fill in the blank with your choice of desirable FA), he still would be reminded of what an eccentric owner the Isles have and might be spooked out of signing.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 3, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait a sec

Where’s the “Islanders Moving To Hong Kong” rumors already?

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by WebBard on Feb 2, 2010 9:03 PM EST reply actions  

Do they have an NHL-ready arena? And a nice relocation package? If they do go to Hong Kong they still can technically be called the Islanders too!

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Feb 2, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

First class all the way

I watched a vidieo of the blackhawks going to sweeden for opening night thes guys were in a lear jet pimped to the max all the comforts, even brought there own chief to not only prepare their meals on the plane but at their hotel. Im sure Wang has the same intentions

by steelermafia on Feb 2, 2010 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

LOL…Sure, make it to the playoffs every year and maybe, just maybe you’ll get a travel upgrade. Besides, the Isles are going to Asia, not Europe. The flight time is almost half is not more.

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 2, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

When was the last time Toronto shut out the Devils?

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 2, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

How do the Leafs score 3 goals after trading half of their offensive production???

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by WebBard on Feb 2, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t watch the game, but my bet is inspiration. Play well or be gone…might be the teams motto

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 2, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Mercer Report just had a spoof

pretended to be a cable ad suggesting a special rate if you accept that the Leafs would be down 2-0 at the end of every second period and just watch the third. Leafs being awful is becoming part of the culture up here. Dion got in a dustup in his first period as a Leaf.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 2, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

PHX and Nashville had a 0-0 tie after OT

decided in 10th round of SO 1-0. The shootout game.

by BCISLEMAN on Feb 2, 2010 11:29 PM EST reply actions  

Anyone know how much snow we are supposed to get ?

Move to Flushing, Queens, Charles Wang!! Get away from the insane politics of Nassua

by Martys301 on Feb 2, 2010 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

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