Czech Republic vs. Slovakia: Beer trumps civil war
Olympic Hockey: Czech Republic vs. Slovakia
Freaking midnight EST (CNBC/SNET/RDS)
The flag of Czechoslovakia (ca. 1920-1992)
The flag of the Czech Republic after the Slovaks took their puck and went home.
If you have a brother, you guys probably did your share of fighting, right? But at the end of the day, you're on the same side? Now suppose your parents neglected both of you and the rest of the world typically tramples over you -- then your fraternal rivalry would take a rather peaceful back seat in the face of external forces, no?
That's sort of what this Czech Republic vs. Slovakia deal is. Depending on your engagement with Central European history, you might see the split of Czechoslovakia as "just another one of those frighteningly bloody Slavic powder keg things, some fight over scraps and a goat." But it's quite a bit more peaceful than that. Their formal post-Soviet split in 1993 was more a manner of redecorating and moving one spouse to the guest house rather than a bloody divorce. Good beer and common enemies have a way of softening your rivalry.
It irks Slovaks to be referred to as the "little brother" in this relationship, but that's really the most apt description. It's the Czechs' 10 million (population virtually unchanged since 1990 -- Czechs are good at hockey, soccer, beer and birth control) vs. the Slovaks' 5 million (also unchanged). That hardly means little brother can't win, though; in fact, this past summer Slovakia qualified for soccer's World Cup at the expense of big brother.
Though longtime neighbors, Czechs -- or Bohemians, if you prefer -- and Slovaks were thrown together by their common fear of vowels. (Go ahead, try to pronounce "King Přemysl" -- I dare you. Tip: It helps if you fill your mouth with marshmallows first.) They were joined as one state after World War I through one of those forced mergers caused by greater historical forces, but that's not important right now.
Traditionally, the region -- with the classic, better-visit-before-you-die city of Prague at its center -- has been a crossroads for other empires seeking bigger things, save for a glorious period oh, just 700 years ago, when Prague-born Charles IV (a.k.a. Vaclav, or Wenceslaus, if you must) was rocking the helm of the (neither) Holy (nor) Roman (nor an) Empire (discuss). Yes, the prime was 700 years ago. In Europe, this sometimes happens. Otherwise, whether Romans or Austro-Hungarians or Napoleonites or Germans or Russians, the area has served as a weigh station of those who think world domination is some sort of desirable, achievable and manageable goal.
Typical invader greeting being:
"We're just stopping by on our way to plunder and pillage places with more raw resources, but we must say you have some terrific beer. So thanks for that, and sorry about the mess."
I claim that this fate at the mercy of others is what helped fuel the fatalistic Czech sense of humor, a sense of humor that produces works of mischievous genius like this. And beer. Let's be honest: If you can brew the best beer in the world, the unbearable lightness of being gets a little more bearable, no matter who's ransacking the beet garden. So, all ye empires with your illusions of glory: Go ahead and pass through; just leave us our beer. And hockey.
P.S. If you don't remember what defenestration is, you should reacquaint yourself with this wonderful term -- and thank the Czechs for putting it in your history class.
The Part of the Post that's actually about Hockey
But that's also neither here nor there. Since I occasionally reference my own part-Czech background (grandfather was executed by the Nazis, father was exiled by the Soviet occupation ... See! Fate at the mercy of invaders!), I figured I owed regular readers this post.
There is a rivalry here, it's just not what many picture as a bloody Slavic rivalry. Despite the contributions of Slovak hockey players -- together they made some sweet Soviet-beating music together -- when the Slovaks split, the larger Czech Republic laid claim to the medals and championships earned under the Czechoslovakia banner. The IIHF also required Slovakia to work its way from the bottom back to the "A" pool of international hockey, while the Czechs held on to the existing Czechoslovak spot with the other big dogs. Being little brother sucks sometimes, no?
In part thanks to the work of the legendary Peter Stastny, Slovak hockey continued to grow. But it was in the shadow of the Czechs, who claimed gold in the 1998 Nagano Olympics and also took three world championship titles at the turn of the millenium. In the 2006 Olympics, Slovakia looked to have its biggest and most symbolic solo hockey moment yet, only to fall in the elimination round to ... the Czech Republic.
Vokoun vs. Halak and Damaged Marians
So now we come to tonight: While all but the minnows advance to the qualifying round in this Olympic tournament, tonight is a very big deal not just for rivalry purposes, but because the other non-minnow in this very tough Group B is Russia. Since seeding in the next round depends on points (and possibly goal differential), whoever takes tonight's game takes a major seeding advantage over the other.
I'm counting on Tomas Vokoun's near-Hasek-like heroics, but the bad news for the Czechs is now Slovakia has a decent "priceless" (heh) goaltender in Jaroslav Halak. While the Czechs return Jaromir Jagr from KHL exile to the land of smaller rinks, the Slovaks have towering Zdeno Chara to remind him what hockey on a smaller rink is like.
Both teams, you may have noticed, are lighter on superstar talent than in recent years -- neither is producing NHL talent like they once routinely did -- and worse for Slovakia, Marian Gaborik is still injured (shock!) and Marian Hossa is coming off a concussion. Islanders fans will be tickled to see Ziggy Palffy and Miro Satan return to this stage, but the presence of both is a sign of how this generation of Czechs and Slovaks needs some replenishing.
Regardless, when brothers battle, it's always fun. If you watch, you can treat this post as your game thread. I won't be able to watch it live, though. Why? Because I'll be playing some late-night hockey and then ... why, drinking beer, of course.
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Sorry to hear that about your grandfather.
This is one of those games that you will know you should have watched when it is all said and done. I am not sure if I will be see this one tonight but if I record FUC*$(^ curling again at the mishap of NBC someone is going to have to pay the ferryman for the bloke in charge of descriptions of shows for NBC’s channels.
Will work...for playoffs.
The perils of the peacock
Yeah, I’m half-wondering if I should just record six hours of CNBC and six hours of MSNBC tonight.
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Just join me in a mob riot of NBC HQ. I’m sure we aren’t the only ones who aren’t P.O.ed by the lack of quality control.
Will work...for playoffs.
by metalcoconut on Feb 17, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Likewise about your grandfather
It was either Masaryk or Benes who said the country had Czechs and Slovaks and the only Czechoslovakians were the Jews.
My parents were from the runt the two “big” brothers picked on — they were from Sub-Carpathian Ruthenia. (For those of you scoring at home, it’s now part of Ukraine.) Dad was in Prague after the liberation, and he and his brother and two sisters (4 of the 5 survivors — originally there were 12 children) lived on a farm in (ironically) the Sudetenland — the government kicked out the Germans — before coming to the US in 1946.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Wow, interesting stuff — thanks for that. My father was an only child, so there are some fuzzy details about further back in the family and who was where (and did what) during the occupations.
He had a German name but changed it to something more Czech-sounding after the invasion. Lasted in the country until 1948 when he got into political trouble with the Communist regime and had to flee … to Germany, ironically. It’s amazing all the ripple effects that war had on people.
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Defenestration
Would’ve been good to know about this back when Milbury was GM…That would have really changed things!!!
It's a nice term
Though it makes streetfights a little awkward: “Step back before I defenestrate your ass … provided we find a window.”
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(grandfather was executed by the Nazis, father was exiled by the Soviet occupation … See! Fate at the mercy of invaders!)
Two stories along those lines:
The Nazi invasion of Norway is how my family ended up here. My grandfather and grandmother were forced off their land in Arendal, emigrated to the US and settled in Brooklyn and later Thornwood and then Pleasantville. While in Brooklyn, to distinguish himself from the 50 other John Hansens living on the block, and so he could get the correct mail, he added another s to the name making it Hanssen (Sorry for the family history and partial explanation of my screen name).
While in grad school in Albany, I had the pleasure of working in my department with a fellow grad student who is a Slovak. She and her family had escaped from Czechoslovakia when she was a child. We always used to piss her off by calling her Czech, but she royally got pissed off whenever anyone brought up Marxism, which in anthropology is every other second.
And I am impressed that you somehow managed to work the defenestration of Prague into your hockey preview.
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
(Sorry for the family history and partial explanation of my screen name).
Not at all! I purposely opened it up to this kind of thing. The Olympics are always a good excuse to delve into the story behind each person’s piece of the melting pot. Obviously I eat this stuff up. Love the added ‘s’ story.
she royally got pissed off whenever anyone brought up Marxism, which in anthropology is every other second.
Haha, that would be a challenge, yes. I remember as a kid my dad always corrected me with different players — announcers naturally shortened anyone born in “Czechoslovakia” to “Czech,” though of course those meant two different things. He didn’t feel a rivalry but as a sociologist wanted to be precise. Naturally my friends rib me by calling me “Slovak or whatever.”
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I know this isn’t where this comment probably belongs, but Japers’ Rink has a post about Andy Sutton. Given your collective familiarity with him, I’m extending an invitation to join the conversation and make your opinions heard. Thanks!
Killer_Carlson and Steckel Me Elmo are like brothers to me. And when I say brothers I don't mean like actual brothers. I mean it like how black people use it, which is more meaningful, I think.
The history section right after the break made me laugh out loud
at work. Thanks!
Great stuff though. I doubt I’ll be able to stay up for this one, but I wish I could. I love the historical rivalries at play in these international competitions – we get all worked up about the Rangers, and that rivalry has only existed since 1972 for crying out loud!
2009 Did Not Happen
You can go on a tour where they show you the alleged window of disrepute – it doesnt look like a very nice ride down.
Claude LaPointe didn't make as good a pun, sadly.
by LaChance at Glory on Feb 17, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions
i have czech/slovak blood in me, as much as 50% actually, but i have no factual knowledge, i’m just going on what my grandmothers told me when i was a kid, so how can i decide which way to root… well, ziggy has to be the factor that tips the scales in favor of the slovaks — pun intended
why isn't #16 hanging in the rafters?
Both teams, you may have noticed, are lighter on superstar talent than in recent years
This is really disturbing for the hockey futures of both countries. I did a little research (Not necessarily scientific) on this to emphasize how stagnant the Czechs and Slovaks development has come
2000 Draft:24 Czechs (2 1st Rounders); 15 Slovaks (2 1st Rounders)
2001: 31 Czechs (3 1st Rounders); 15 Slovaks
2002: 25 Czechs (3 1st Rounders); 3 Slovaks
2003: 18 Czechs (1 1st Rounder); 10 Slovaks
2004: 21 Czechs (4 1st Rounders); 10 Slovaks (1 1st Rounder)
2005: 13 Czechs (2 1st Rounders); 7 Slovaks (2 1st Rounders)
2006: 8 Czechs (2 1st Rounders); 3 Slovaks
2007: 5 Czechs (1 1st Rounder); 3 Slovaks
2008: 3 Czechs; 0 Slovaks
2009: 3 Czechs; 5 Slovaks
Granted at the high water mark of Czechs drafted this decade (2001), there were several “overage” players drafted to play directly in the NHL or AHL out of the Extraliga, but to have the number of players drafted by NHL clubs drop from 31 to 3 is just plain startling. In the last two drafts, Denmark has more 1st rounders (Mikkel Bodker) then the Czechs and Slovaks combined.
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
I’m not sure how the KHL factors into that but I’m sure between the KHL and generational removal from the communist army system that they had once forced upon the players, the people are probably tired of the sport or at least not pushed as much as they once were. It just seems like there is too much pride in that legacy of great hockey players to go to waste.
It would not be surprising to see a rebirth of hockey tradition in that neck of the world.
Will work...for playoffs.
by metalcoconut on Feb 17, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Funding
I have not been able to get a concrete answer on this from talking to people over there, but I suspect a big loss is the central funding and organization provided by the old system.
Hockey, we all know, is a really expensive game — so I don’t think it’s a question of players previously being “forced” (they do indeed love their hockey) but rather in an open economy other priorities for central funding emerge. Certainly something’s been lost, and it makes it an even tougher choice for a young player when their best route to the NHL is to make the leap over to North America for juniors at a very young age.
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Last Night
I almost died laughing when I saw this tweet from Botta
ChrisBottaNHL Latest: Love how NBC is calling this game for the non-hockey audience. As if anyone besides hockey fans are watching Russia-Latvia after midnight ET
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
My biggest gripe is how can you promote the hell out of a game earlier in the day then totally screw the pooch later that day. Every promo I saw in the USA vs. Swiss game was about Crosby or Canada, then you can’t even bother to show the show on A SINGLE GOD DAMN CHANNEL?
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by David Hanssen on Feb 17, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Germany is my sleeper team of the tournament. I really like their team, with Ehrhoff, Seidenberg, and now Sven Butenschon on D and Goc, Hecht and Sturm up front. I really think they will surprise people and might upset either the Swedes or Finland for the 2nd spot in Group C.
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by David Hanssen on Feb 17, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yea! (I’m the first generation born stateside, with the majority of my family coming from Bavaria, so i’ve got a large place in my heart for them). They may not be as deep as some of the other teams, but they’re certainly capable of competing with the top tier, and can play a physical game. I like Greiss in net as the future backstop for this team as well as some of the lesser-known players such as Holzer and Barta. The DEG is one of those leagues that’s slowly improving and producing prospects that are taking the place of other international draftees in the draft. Sure it’s still a small crop… but San Jose agrees with me.
Jawohl mein herr!
While it is unfortunate to see once great powers like the Czechs and Slovaks waning lately, I love that hockey is growing in nations like Norway, Germany, Denmark, ect. The more global the game gets, the more talent is produced the better quality a game you get at the NHL and Olympic level.
Ahh Bavaria. home to several of my favorite Breweries. Ayinger, Hofbrauhaus, Spaten… mmmmm, beer…
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by David Hanssen on Feb 17, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
honestly… what the hell were you thinking? We could’ve been best friends if you stuck to Albany. I would’ve taken you to Oktoberfest! hahah. These officials are killing me… some really horrible calls. Ah well.
Who’s going to be around for midnight, other than Dom I imagine?
I might. One of the benefits of working for a school is that I have no work this week, which means I don’t have to be up at 6:15.
al, I might come up for one last Rats game @ the TUC, any clue what their schedule is like the rest of the season?
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by David Hanssen on Feb 17, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
9 at home, 15 on the road. Two more left against the Phantoms.
Home:
2/19, 2/20, 3/2, 3/13, 3/14, 3/17, 3/21, 4/2, 4/3.
They’re playing pretty well lately, big turn around from last year.
Hmm, maybe March 13th… I have to be up @ SUNY for a presentation on the 12th.
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by David Hanssen on Feb 17, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
On my masters thesis research. Copper trade in the Eastern Mediterranean during the Late Bronze Age, Iron Age and Roman Period.
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by David Hanssen on Feb 17, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
That’s excellent! How is the program at Albany? I knew someone who was considering UAlb or Binghamton for grad work. I know what they bring to the table for business students..
If you’re going for a PhD, 3-4 years of funding depending on the department. I was officially there from Jan 06 – May 09 for my MA in Anthropology although for the last year of that I was living downstate and just doing research. It really depends on what department. The sciences get most of the funding lately. I have tow ex-roommates that are Nanoscience PhD candidates and everything, housing, tuition, you name it, is taken care of. The liberal arts departments aren’t as well funded but get enough. Great facilities, especially science wise.
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by David Hanssen on Feb 17, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
No, I’ve wanted to. It opened up after I moved. I was supposed to go there for a friends birthday but I couldn’t make it up that weekend.
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by David Hanssen on Feb 17, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Next time I’m up, if you want we should go there.
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by David Hanssen on Feb 17, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
BTW Dom, your going to have to tell me, is there a Team Logo anywhere on this Jersey?

"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Yes, buried underneath the adds, the shield of Slovakia (The thing with the red top, blue bottom and double cross on it) with HK and 36 on either side is the team’s logo (I think…).
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by David Hanssen on Feb 17, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Fun fact
That “Skoda” above the 24 is the Czech carmaker (since bought by VW, I believe).
“To je skoda” means, “It’s a pity.” So yeah, the national car brand for so many years was, well, a pity.
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Anyone up?
Watching now.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
haha, Palffy on a breakaway fed by Chara!
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Just got in from the gym, was watching Slovakia – Switzerland there. Life is good when you can enjoy multiple vices in one location, mmm.
You mean the woman’s game right?
I caught the very end of it, it was good enough to make me wish I watched more of it.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Yea, It certainly was pretty good. I hate the people who say that the US and Canada are too good, blah blah, and that the Olympics should reconsider having women’s hockey until there is less of a gap in talent. While North America may have an elite women’s game right now, it’d be a farce to say some of these other squads don’t put on one heck of a show against each other. Just give it some time.
I said as much, but I don’t want to see Women’s hockey go away. It would just be nice if someone else was as good.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
I can appreciate someone pointing out the divergence between elite hockey and everyone else, such as something you might state Web, but when people ignorantly whine about cutting it… It’s like listening to people complain about curling because they can’t get into it. This is an international event, lol.
Curling is always interesting. When I was waiting on the Womens USA Vs Russia game (was supposed to be joined in progress, but never was) the stream had USA – Japan Women’s curling and its an easy sport to pickup but you can see the complexity of it rather quickly. At least from the viewpoint of being a goalie and having to figure out angles.
I still hate that they got rid of Women’s Softball from the Summer games.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Roenick
Apparently Don Cherry is giving him suit tips?
I also enjoy the look on Milbury’s face when Roenick starts talking.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Once Milbury went into the German team trying to “rebuild the Berlin wall” during an intermission replay, I gave up trying to will myself into hoping something good could be had of that crew.
I like Roenick anyway, because of his outspoken nature. But I think he has some good TV presence, he comes across as someone that knows what he’s talking about and you feel like he’s trying his best to convey what he knows about the game. Milbury tends to stick to stock quotes and cliches he knows the best.
I hope they dump Milbury and Bring Roenick in as an Analyst full time.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
you know, I agree for the most part. He really does have intelligent things to say, but when I have to look at him, I still see a tool. Maybe he has to mellow on my a bit, but in excess of my own prejudice you’re right, Roenick would be a good analyst for any network trying to get into the game and win over hardcore fans at the same time.
Not sure if you have Satellite radio, but he would call into Scottie Ferrall’s show every friday night during the season last year and he was always fun. Sometimes he’d be in the locker room after the game and just be the old vet busting some of the younger guys chops.
I guess its just having to separate him from the player, at least from what I’ve seen of him so far in the olympics it doesn’t feel like he’s there just to self promote. Oh well, maybe the NHL Network will give him a try considering he at least has some personality.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Funny
Milbury talking about these young 20-21 year olds going into the games and playing against the Stars of the game. Yet he was the first one to throw 18,19,20 year olds to the wolves and expecting them to produce. Ugh.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Gaborik
What a beautiful shot
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Chara
They haven’t had him load up for a shot yet, this PP is perfect time for a one timer off the Faceoff.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
There’s always rumors that he might come back, he could definitely still play in the NHL.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Guy is just golden in the olympics. There’s one time where you know he will give 100%, there’s no trading in your homeland here. Just incredible.
Dam
That just about does it, I doubt Slovakia is going to get 2 more goals against Vokoun.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
Elias
That was great.
Question “What was wrong with the PP?”
Elias"Well we’re out there up against Chara, I told the guys lets go to the other side and work there and it worked better"
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
well if Jagr was looking to make a big splash to impress NHL GMs
he seems to have succeeded at least this once
Fun game, this was
Got to catch it in a pub. Gaborik’s great shot, Jagr’s still-there speed and shot … and Elias’s butt. Cool.
All those big names … I forget each country still has a lot of good players — they’re just not producing as many new ones. :sigh:
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they’ll get back Dom. Some things are deeply cyclical, and we might have to wait until the long tenured vets go back and coach or sponsor new development programs before we see new talent before it happens, but they’ll certainly get there again.
If worst comes to worst, they could be like Der Mannschaft did (Podolski, Klose, Trochowski) and raid neighboring countries for talent saying they’re “qualified” through their grandparents or something.
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by David Hanssen on Feb 18, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Ho yeah! The next Czerkawski shall represent the Czechs…
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You could always start a rumor that Anze and Gasper Kopitar aren’t really Slovenian either.
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by David Hanssen on Feb 18, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
you could… but you’d have to get through Austria or Hungary before they got to the Czech Republic.. haha.
Perhaps some old comrades could help make Kopitar an offer he can’t refuse…
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I would still LOVE to have the Isles sign Jagr
just for a year or two, just to rub booshirt fans’ noses in it….a little payback for LaFontaine.

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