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Charles Wang, Garth Snow discuss Islanders with Gary Bettman

UNIONDALE NY - JULY 07: General Manager Garth Snow and team owner Charles Wang watch the New York Islanders rookie camp at Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum on July 7 2010 in Uniondale New York. (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

"This was not supposed to be a rebuilding year," Wang said, acknowledging many Islanders fans' frustrations. "We are probably as disappointed, if not more disappointed, than all the fans. But we lost basically our No. 1 guy on the power play, Mark Streit, Kyle Okposo, our [alternate] captain, we lost both of them for a huge amount of time..."

You can get a lot more of what Islanders owner Charles Wang and GM Garth Snow said on Gary Bettman's "The NHL Hour" show last night via the recap with quotes posted at nhl.com. Also, when it's available, the full audio. (Try this link and click on "The NHL Hour." UPDATE: Or do this full audio link.)

Star-divide

It's always surreal to discuss occasions like this because, well, on a broadcast forum you are simply never going to get a man-to-man, pub room conversation that you want from important public figures. PR is a reality, and while few agree on how to handle it best -- heh, that's how PR firms steal one another's clients! -- everyone in a position to have their words or motives interpreted will sooner or later learn that some degree of PR, which I'll call, shorthand, "message control," is necessary. Every figure of prominence eventually figures out that if they don't try to guide the message, someone else will. Every figure weighs costs and benefits and chooses the amount of info they feel comfortable releasing.

By choosing the messaging expert Bettman's radio show, Wang chose the friendliest of settings. But Bettman did push harder than you might expect for the answers many want, and they did take some challenging calls. While you didn't get, "Oh yeah, that guy stunk, you have no idea, we're relieved to be rid of him," and you didn't get, "We have a building deal in Queens waiting for us. I'll tell you more next month," you did get subtle hints of plans and decisions shared and implied without burning bridges.

Once again I got the impression Wang cares passionately not just about this franchise but about keeping it on Long Island if at all possible. The details of how that happened are left to the rumor mill, but you have to think within the next year the game of chicken will have resolution. "The team is not for sale," Wang said, while also acknowledging Queens as an option for the next venue.

If you're stressed about 2015 and are a member of the message board Islanders Mania, you can find some interesting theories and "word on the street" info there from longtime members that might make either comfort you or worry you, depending on your perspective. I'm not going to paste anything of that here, out of prudence and respect for the board members on a login-protected forum, but suffice to say Newsday is expected to have a large, overarching study on the state of the franchise sometime early in the new year -- and who knows? Maybe that piece will have more hints at where the endgame is on the team's locale in 2015. Obviously we know Wang's preference, and from the interview we know other local sites are in his mind, if not his first choice.

As for the on-ice hockey personnel direction of the team, I think there are two camps on this -- some who generally believe in what's going on and buy into the need for patience, and some who think there are ways to improve things more quickly without botching things back to square one. I've discussed my own view on that plenty, and I doubt anything that was said -- nor anything that could have been said -- in the interview will do much to change either camp.

Regardless, it's fun for me that we all come together here to enjoy hockey. So Merry Christmas (Eve) to all of you, whether you celebrate it or not. The Islanders are off Friday and Saturday, then get right back at it Sunday at home to the Canadiens and Monday at the Garden for another Battle of New York.

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And once more: Condolences to the Turgeon family. I can't even imagine.

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“If it doesn’t work out on Long Island [at the current site], I’d like to be close enough so I can commute to the game and go to all the home games as best I can,” he said. “If it’s Queens, great. If it’s Suffolk, great. Obviously we want to be in this area because it’s our home.”

I’ve always said one of the reasons the team wouldn’t move to KC was because Wang likes to be an active Owner. I really can’t see him selling the team, I think he’s in a bit of a game of chicken with Hempstead. Although he’s said he won’t play a game past 2015 in the Coliseum, it sounds like he’s willing to play at the Coliseum IF there’s a plan in place for a new arena. So it’s not impossible for 2014 to come around, and a plan being made which involves a new arena but the Islanders playing at the Coliseum past 2015. Which is promising.

And Islandermania, the Mania actually means Insanity.

"My lasting image of Lemieux interacting with an Islanders defenseman is of Mario getting knocked on his ass by Darius Kasparaitis in 1993." - rmblifn #VolekStatue
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Dec 24, 2010 8:48 AM EST reply actions  

What do they post over there at IslanderMania?

How does it tie into this Newsday story that is coming out? What are they saying over there?

FB4Real
"Past performance Is Not A Guarantee For Future Results"

by FB4Real on Dec 24, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I shouldn’t have been that cryptic. Just a couple of posts from long-time (and sane, I think) members who were interviewed for Newsday’s upcoming article and also claimed to have talked to someone close to Wang about the gameplan.

Nothing groundbreaking or that I would feel comfortable reporting (“It’s true, I got it off a message board!”) but basically a lot of the work you’d think would be going on before it’s too late to build a new building elsewhere might in fact be going on. I suppose 2011 will be a big year, but then that’s what most of us assume anyway.

Lighthouse Hockey: And you shall know us by the fraying of our hips.

by Dominik on Dec 24, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why I love Wang owning the team. It honestly seems like he would sell the team before moving it out of geographical long island.

And he no way in hell wants to sell. We really just have to give him time. It’s clear he will spend money (martin, volchenkov, hamhuis, streit, witt, wiz, guerin, comrie, satan yashin, etc contracts/contract offers), you just have to hope he will get the players he’s trying to get. This team will be spending more money to be competitive, and it’s highly likely that will be next year given wang’s/snow’s interview saying they will go after the top free agents when july 1st comes around like they tried this past offseason.

John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)

by OzzyFan on Dec 24, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's gotta have public transportation

There had to be access by Lirr. Direct stop. Or subway. No bus. That is utter ridiculous what we have now. The Garden is probably the easiest place to get to in the tri state area. We need something like that be it queens Brooklyn LI or mars.

by Torch7 on Dec 24, 2010 9:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

+10,000,000,000

Not too many Islanders fans in Manhattan have fossil-fuel—burning transport machines…

by PoppedItUp! on Dec 24, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

That is the biggest reason I like Belmont

There needs to be a train. It’s not just for people who do not drive. It stops drunk driving. Some people find jumping on a train easier than sitting in the parking lot 45 minutes waiting to get on to Hempstead Turnpike. Whatever happens this needs to be included.

You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?

by Anarcurt on Dec 24, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

MIKE FRANCESA

was the first person that I had heard bring up that location…..and it really is ideal in so many ways…..there is so much infrastructure already in place there. Plus…it is already a hub of sorts with the racetrak and all. It is a DESTINATION in a lot of ways……I gotta believe that it is the best spot outside a Lighthouse deal where they are.

You know….if the Islanders do eventually leave their location in Uniondale….the powers that be are going to regret letting them leave that spot….WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH THAT REAL ESTATE?!?!?!?

FB4Real
"Past performance Is Not A Guarantee For Future Results"

by FB4Real on Dec 24, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

No 2 players should determine an entire teams fate

KO and Mark Striet are both impactful players but this is a team sport…This is BS to say that the teams in the dumps due to these 2 players being out…

by KO21 on Dec 24, 2010 9:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

The Devils have played big chunks of this season without Parise and Brodeur, look at where they are now. Even good teams that suffer injuries to top stars aren’t the same.

"My lasting image of Lemieux interacting with an Islanders defenseman is of Mario getting knocked on his ass by Darius Kasparaitis in 1993." - rmblifn #VolekStatue
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Dec 24, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I can appreciate that but the Devils problems

are bigger than just the injuries lf a few top players…They have a guy in Kovy who’s supposed to score 40 to 50 goals who’s doing nothing…And even w Parisi out they still have Kovy unlike the Isles…I

by KO21 on Dec 24, 2010 9:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

that’s part of my point, when you have guys go down to injuries you have no idea how a team will react.

It’s not just Streit and Okposo. We’ve had nearly everyone on the defense miss games but Wiz and Martinek to the point that during the losing streak we were scraping the bottom of the barrel for bodies.

"My lasting image of Lemieux interacting with an Islanders defenseman is of Mario getting knocked on his ass by Darius Kasparaitis in 1993." - rmblifn #VolekStatue
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Dec 24, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

You got a point

if its more than just 2 players, that’s a different story and we did lose most of the defense corps all at once so that’s different…I’ll let this one go but to say 2 players is the reason is ludicris

by KO21 on Dec 24, 2010 10:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not necessarily ludacris

But definitely scary. What I mean is, I could see two players impacting your team that way, but if that happens, you really weren’t going anywhere anyway…because the injuries inevitably will happen. That said, even our depth was hurt. Don’t forget, at different points, we were also without RSH, JB was banged up, we didn’t have Martin, Hunter was a mess, Mottau obviously had a bad hip, Grabner had to adjust to our “system”, then readjust, and Sim has been back and forth to BPT. This has been a symphony of erratic lineups.

"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA

by Keith Quinn on Dec 24, 2010 10:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Any tam that loses its 2 best players would suffer big-time man.

C’mopn….any team in any sport would suffer…..Crosby and Malkin/ Eli and Tuck/ ARod and Mariano…whatever….I dont like losing….but you are allowed a pass whan stuff like that happens….bottom line.

FB4Real
"Past performance Is Not A Guarantee For Future Results"

by FB4Real on Dec 24, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Losing your best 2-way 20goal/50pt producing forward and your best 24min/gm #1 10goal/50pts d-man DOES kill a team.

There is no question we wouldn’t be as bad as we are now with a healthy KO and Streit. For example, taking away these players from our team would be like taking away boyle/pavelski from the sharks or weber/hornqvist from the predators or even doughty/brown from the kings.

Sure you may not like hearing this because it’s the truth, but without KO and Streit we are a noticably weaker team. Any team would be noticably weaker losing those 2 players.

John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)

by OzzyFan on Dec 24, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Im not disputing the importance of these 2 players

But the reason we are in this situation we’re in, an epic season of shit, is due to lack of depth and the defense being banged up…Not just these 2…KO is my favorite player but has yet to score 20 goals in a season…We need depth

by KO21 on Dec 24, 2010 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, to be fair, they didn’t just cite those two players. But obviously you point out the two best players who happen to have played zero games this year, mention some others, but don’t bore everyone with, “Tavares had a concussion the first week, then Bailey had a hip injury and struggled, then A-Mac went down for six weeks, and Jurcina for over a month, and our hot new D Wiz was suspended for two, and…”

The Isles’ man-games lost to injury has not been slight. In a parity league, that’s enough to be the difference between a pretender and scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Lighthouse Hockey: And you shall know us by the fraying of our hips.

by Dominik on Dec 24, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

amen

John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)

by OzzyFan on Dec 24, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

egg nog

keep drinking it…its good for you.
 The isles would have been vying for first overall if okposo and streit were healthy. The supporting talent around these two superstars is simply unreal.
keep drinking fellas, keep drinking.

by NY711ot on Dec 25, 2010 1:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

When people disagree with your opinion that doesnt mean they “have been drinking”.
Your opinion is not law, its just an opinion- and it is no more valid than theirs.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 25, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I would love to know what’s so different with this years team that it’s this much worse then last year?

Your telling me losing Park, Tambelleni and Bergenheim turned the Islanders from a team on the playoff bubble to the worst team in the league?

"My lasting image of Lemieux interacting with an Islanders defenseman is of Mario getting knocked on his ass by Darius Kasparaitis in 1993." - rmblifn #VolekStatue
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Dec 26, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention bringing in/up Grabner, Wiz, Hamonic, Eaton, Jurcina, Martin, and PAP.

John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)

by OzzyFan on Dec 26, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I didnt get to hear the interview

which chaps my ass cuz I have Sirius…Maybe I need some extra XM package or NHL package, Idk…I was saying that no 2 players should be so important for that a team goes from “so called” playoff contender to having one of the worst seasons in franchise history…I agree w u Dom

by KO21 on Dec 25, 2010 10:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think, on some level, it was the losses to MacDonald and Jurcina that ultimately did this team in. The Islanders have been without Streit and Okposo the entire year, and right now they’re playing some of their best hockey this season. It goes to show that this team CAN be competitive without their two best players, it’s when you start losing everybody else that things go down the shitter.

by Fabtraption on Dec 25, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I stand corrected then...I didnt see or hear the interview

so I was going by what rickrays was posting…I didn’t realize that they mentioned the other injured players…I agree w u 100%, Dom

by KO21 on Dec 25, 2010 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed.

I also feel the need here to interject my opinion that the team hasn’t played nearly as badly as their record suggests. I still believe that they had terrible luck during that losing streak and even with all of the injuries their true level is about 3 wins better than their actual record.

by TMS on Dec 25, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I obviously agree with that

But the hardest thing to do in sports discussion, it seems, is convince people that wins and losses don’t mean quite all that we’re led to believe. I mean, you have to cut off the competition at some point — best-of-seven seems fair, but in terms of evaluating what a team has, any series of games can be deceiving.

Lighthouse Hockey: And you shall know us by the fraying of our hips.

by Dominik on Dec 27, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

A BIT 'off-topic perhaps, but.....

…..as I don’t suspect anyone will revisit quin’s ‘new goal song’ FanPost anytime soon, wanted to share what I think would be a near-perfect (if not perfect) hockey song for this team, full of SERIOUS adrenaline (but NOT a singalong, admittedly): “Ulcer” by Michael Schenker…..let me know what ya think? I absolutely LOVE his guitar tones…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76zTDShPOXE

by ogam5 on Dec 24, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

It's all instrumental

I think it has to be something with a great chorus that people can cheer along to, similar to how someone had offered up “Seek and Destroy”. The fans could easily understand and chant that out.

"We've made a final offer. We hope Ziggy Palffy will come to his senses. We have NO hope his agent will." - Mike Milbury

by NYI_22 on Dec 24, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps, but.....

…..I would point to both “Brass Bonanza” (Whalers’ goal song) and “Nutty” (an obscure but rollicking Ventures number that was the Bruins’ goal song well into the Eighties) – both were ENORMOUSLY popular to such an extent that they’ve revived the former for the Connecticut Whale…..as for R & R Part II, there IS the ‘HEY!’ singalong but I’m not convinced that element is MANDATORY for a goal song – even in New York…..

by ogam5 on Dec 24, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd also

Like to throw in the whole Gary Glitter being a pedophile thing as a reason to not have his tired tune playing. I’d still take it over the wholly embarassing “The Right Stuff” that played during the half-miraculous run in 93.

by NSOsFan on Dec 24, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Up here in western MA, there's an interesting situation -

….which has been an ongoing problem even possibly since the Islanders had the Indians as their farm team and won the Calder Cup; a big fan stepped in to save the Falcons Wednesday but the city of Springfield is WOEFULLY bereft of ‘curb appeal; a lot of people feel as though they’re taking life i hand every time they head downtown – so I suspect the only way to make this more than just a forestalling of the inevitable (team is only averaging about 2K per game and needs to DOUBLE that ASAP) is to form a durable partnership with the local public transit agency and factor the fare into ticket prices…..

by ogam5 on Dec 24, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

....it would be a MAJOR body blow to hockey at large if.....

…..Springfield loses the franchise; it’s absolutely a ‘heritage city’ for hockey, the AHL has its very ROOTS (and headquarters, still) in it, as some on this blog may know…..point being, it’s likely that by adding a southern spur to the LIRR which included a stop at the Coliseum, attendance might increase significantly…..

by ogam5 on Dec 24, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think att would increase

If there was a nvmc stop on lirr att would increase. Right now if you want to see the isles you have to drive. Who the hell wants ti bring their family to the Hemp stop and then have to wait for a bus that may never come. Good luck. And getting home with that same bus usually bordering on impossible

by Torch7 on Dec 24, 2010 10:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Truthfykky

We’ve been over this, if the Islanders win people will show up come hell or high water. The attendance woes are due to the team losing and them jacking up the ticket prices.

I don’t know how Wang claims on average the Islanders ticket prices are competitive. The Flyers and Devils both have brand new arenas and almost every single seat is cheaper.

"My lasting image of Lemieux interacting with an Islanders defenseman is of Mario getting knocked on his ass by Darius Kasparaitis in 1993." - rmblifn #VolekStatue
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Dec 24, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Went to last home game

And looked like maybe 4000 people, if that…It was empty…I don’t th ink they had 7000 as reported…

by KO21 on Dec 24, 2010 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Teams have always done that, even if season ticket holders don’t show up, they still count them as attendance.

If you look back to the one good season of the decade, 01-02, the Coliseum was rocking.

"My lasting image of Lemieux interacting with an Islanders defenseman is of Mario getting knocked on his ass by Darius Kasparaitis in 1993." - rmblifn #VolekStatue
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Dec 24, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Il tell ya one thing

Even with such a sparce crowd we made quite a bit of noise…makes me imagine what it would sound like if the place was full…the roof would come off the place

by KO21 on Dec 24, 2010 2:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I've been checking StubHub...

…and there’s tickets available for download (so you don’t even have to pick them up) that will get you about 10 rows up for under $20. That’s the only good thing about them being in the basement – or now next to the basement (thanks NJ)

Not that this has anything to do with the Isles setting their prices, b/c obviously they’re wayyyyy too high, but if you wanted to see a game, you could do it on the cheap.

"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington

by Pauly C on Dec 24, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Shhhh!

don’t let the secret out. Actually it won’t make a difference – who am I kidding. Those deals will be there for the foreseeable future.

by TMS on Dec 25, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn that's cheap.

John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)

by OzzyFan on Dec 25, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Jaffe didnt fit in the organization?

What, was he too professional and respectible for Isles fans? A guy who can’t put together a coherent sentence and who doesn’t add any substance and doesn’t educate the fans, fits the organization better? Come on!

by KO21 on Dec 24, 2010 9:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I think the bottom line is

MSG didn’t want to pay the guy and they already had Butchie under contract. If the Isles were more successful they probably would’ve been willing to keep him.

I know it seems like this was an Isles decision, but doesn’t MSG pay the guy? And why would they invest in a team with a .1 rating? If no one is watching, why pay two guys?

Maybe I’m just hoping that’s the case and it wasn’t the Isles being petty and insecure. But then there’s the whole Botta thing so maybe I just have my head up my ass

"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington

by Pauly C on Dec 24, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was shit stirring Botta

posted on his site that the Isles got rid of him cuz he was too negative…Another example of Bababotta being a dirtbag…His site was awesome until he was dropped from Isles sponsorships…ever since then his site is all about getting Isles fans all pissed off and its not hard to do so since we’re like beaten dogs at this point…

by KO21 on Dec 24, 2010 3:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

....been revisiting IPB and it seems as though.....

….CB is starting to mellow a bit; perhaps still displaying a few split-personality traits, but the tone over there has become more good-natured, more positive and less vindictive overall (maybe with the corner appearing to be turned, admittedly!)

by ogam5 on Dec 24, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

i haven't listened to ...

the whole tape of the smothers brothers radio spot with buddy hackett, but what i’ve read so far is even more inane and hollow that i expected. seems like the only reason they did it was because everyone said they should. not that i expected much, but jeez …

by dose on Dec 24, 2010 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

What else did u expect?

I would love to hear that the arena is being built and even if it wasn’t Id like them to stop using the arena as the excuse…I believe the real reason for FA’s being apprehensive about signing here is due to the stigma on the way the they run the business…They don’t have a good reputation and its not with out reason

by KO21 on Dec 24, 2010 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

anyone know how long ...

before the whole thing is posted?

by dose on Dec 24, 2010 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

Audio link up

Here.

Lighthouse Hockey: And you shall know us by the fraying of our hips.

by Dominik on Dec 24, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks

John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)

by OzzyFan on Dec 24, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's an interesting statistic for the future

Blake Comeau leads the team with 19 points (or, well, he’s tied with Tavares and Wiz). During the worst of the losing streak, I and many others on this board were calling for his head for his maddening inconsistency.

But if he continues at his current scoring pace, he’s on his way to having a 48, or possible 50 point season. Give him a hot streak or two and we’re looking at a possible 20/55 season, which for this team is All Star worthy.

With this team’s serious scoring issues, you just can’t get rid of your leading scorer. I think players like Comeau/PAP/Schremp/Grabner all pose really interesting questions for this team in the offseason, but I want to know everybody’s opinions on what we do with Comeau if he does end up leading this team in points.

Thoughts?

by Fabtraption on Dec 24, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

As frustrated as I get with him

I think he’d be worth keeping — as a 2nd/3rd-line forward and PK once the team gets good. Ask him to be a featured scorer, you got problems. But good teams need players like that, who have some talent, in lesser roles.

Lighthouse Hockey: And you shall know us by the fraying of our hips.

by Dominik on Dec 24, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree and in general I like keeping the same players over time.

That increases the attachment to the team and the emotional investment. I lke Blake alright too. He’s not the most colorful personality but he seems like a decent guy.

by TMS on Dec 25, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather see Trent Hunter getting BC's minutes.

If he is on pace for that kind of season right now, imagine what kind of season he would have if he played hard 100% of the time. I can’t stand guys who play hard when it suits them. Or only score when we are behind by a lot or a head by a lot. I see BC skating with his head down and making too many bone-headed plays.

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Dec 24, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Part of the problem is Garth saying that this is not supposed to be a rebuilding year and setting the playoffs as a goal

I understand some of the reasons for doing it in terms of the fanbase and keeping the room honest, but this IS still a rebuilding team and the playoffs were always a bit of a longshot.

Looking at it philosophically. Wang may have been holding out hope that the Shinnecock gambit would work. Since I take it that he did not comment on what the governor said, I assume he accepts that there will be no Islander-Shinnecock relationship to do an end run around Kate Murray. As that was announced a few weeks ago, MAYBE he is moving on to the next step which might be moving to Queens. We’ll see, but he does need to get off the dime on this one.

by BCISLEMAN on Dec 24, 2010 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

I don’t think a GM can say anything else, not with so many returning players — you can’t say “hey players, we just treat this as another developing year, so don’t worry yourself with playoffs” — but it does hurt then when everything tanks so early.

Before Streit and KO went down, I figured they’d be in the vast playoff chase bubble and ultimately fall short, which is really where most teams in this league end up.

Lighthouse Hockey: And you shall know us by the fraying of our hips.

by Dominik on Dec 24, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Before Streit and KO went down, I figured they’d be in the vast playoff chase bubble and ultimately fall short, which is really where most teams in this league end up.

This is absolutely what I thought- and think- as well.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 24, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)

by OzzyFan on Dec 24, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

OT but Joensuu returned to BPT

I added a fan shot for this as well. Very interesting since we don’t know Moulson’s status. This move does a couple things. First it will open a spot for DiP to come off IR on Sunday. To me it would suggest Matt Moulson is OK. Even though Martin will be back in the line-up I don’t think they would leave themselves short a forward. It is also possible they will recall someone else like Rhett but no word on that yet.

You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?

by Anarcurt on Dec 24, 2010 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

Very true, Anacurt.....

…..it DOES suggest Matt’s gonna be fine for the Sunday game – no guarantee of course, but one more cause for greater hope – entered my own FanPost about MMo and in it, noted that Travis seems OK as well, if the group photo on Yahoo! is a reliable indicator…..

by ogam5 on Dec 24, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm gonna leave all of this for another day...

Instead, I just wanted to say Happy Holidays to everyone here. It’s great having all of you to commiserate with on a regular basis. Special thanks to Dom, JP, Webby and everyone else who runs the site.

Go easy on the Egg Nog, kids!

Mike

Insert obligatory JPinVA quote here!

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Dec 24, 2010 3:15 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Happy holidays!

My house is about to get extremely chaotic.

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by Dominik on Dec 24, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 25, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice. :-)

Oh, and I feel your pain, Dom. Ours ended up with a hospital visit. So, in other words, it was an average Christmas.

Insert obligatory JPinVA quote here!

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Dec 25, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Not surprised about ...

Joensuu. He’s been disappointing. Like Comeau, he’s got a lot of going for him physically. Maybe great shooting and finishing skills are not among them, but lots guys with his size and strength and mobility find ways to power the puck into the net, or get it to someone who does. Even more than Comeau, his strong shifts are way too sporadic to justify keeping him here. It’s a shame. i was hoping for power-forward like production from the guy but have seen only herman munster/oleg kvasha type play instead.

by dose on Dec 25, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

I remember his first ever games with the big club two years ago.

That first week, he potted several goals from directly in front of the net, if I recall correctly. Every time he’s been back up, I got excited to see if he could do that again. It’s a shame that he can’t put it together.

Insert obligatory JPinVA quote here!

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Dec 25, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I feel bad for JJ

I don’t think it’s a question of effort or smarts with him — and he’s always been really up front about knowing what he has to do and how much time he has to make it happen. He seems like a guy who has enough natural gifts to get juuuuust this far, but not all the way. Maybe he’s the type where if he’d landed in the Red Wings org, he’d have the right depth and surroundings to make him an NHLer one day. Or maybe it’s just not all there.

Lighthouse Hockey: And you shall know us by the fraying of our hips.

by Dominik on Dec 27, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Finally had a chance to listen..

to this. Just a couple of thoughts.
1. Grat job by Gary Bettman for making it happen.
2. I think it is great that Mr. Wang and Garth opened themselves to questions, and a public “state of the Islander nation” address.
3. If Mr. Wang is being honest about being committed beyond the LHP, he will once again have my support. (BIG DEAL) as the owner. I find it hard to believe that it took him two years to discover that they were going to have to be creative in keeping hte Islanders in the black in Nassau County, and on that particular site. So… my jury had come to a decision, but if he is being sincere, then I will listen to his appeal and maybe reserve comment until 2012… YES… no more Wang bashing on the LHP for a whole year… Whoopeee!!!
4. There is very little to say about Snow’s job (pun intended) as GM. He was put int adifficult situation. He may have handled it better PR-wise, but every move going back to the Ryan Smyth trade has been made with the Islanders best interests right out thiere in BOLD LETTERING… though sometimes it takes months or years of interpertation… sometimes hindsight is the clearest way to see your future. I’m glad he gave his 20 minute “my story” as an explanation for cody rosen, but I’d rather of heard the intricate details of why Janks was gone… but that, understandably, will never happen. I have been a supporter of Snow, even though I have not agreed with some of his key decisions… and I will continue to be a supporter. He has not veered off course… and even corrected some issues to make sure that the team stays the course.
All in all, I know a lot of people didn’t feel like they got too much out of this, but I commend both guys for getting out there and taking calls… and trying to answer all questions logically and sincerely.
Nice Xmas present from both… and I feel better about 2011 already.

4.

Lighthouse Hockey: "where everybody knows your screen name" -mikb
I watch hockey because I love the game, I watch the Islanders because I hate myself.

by JPinVA on Dec 25, 2010 3:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I’m glad he gave his 20 minute "my story" as an explanation for cody rosen, but I’d rather of heard the intricate details of why Janks was gone

LOL. No doubt, that was wild. At first I thought, “okay, this is a long diversion,” but then I moved to “no way someone spends this long on a story unless they’re filibustering or really feel passionate about what they’re saying.” In the end I assumed the latter, since I doubt you filibuster just to explain away an insignificant 7th-round pick.

Lighthouse Hockey: And you shall know us by the fraying of our hips.

by Dominik on Dec 27, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Finally listening to the State of the Isles Address

Liked Garths comments, “you’re either gonna be on the ice or on the bench”…Good point but players don’t see Long Island for what it is when they play here…all they see is this nasty town of which this old deplapidated arena is located…

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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.

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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.

Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.

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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.

A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.

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