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Islanders Gameday: Stakes of pride as Battle of NY resumes

The Islanders' chances of clawing back into the very broad playoff bubble are not salvageable without a near-miraculous run to counteract their awful November. But even setting ambitions considerably and appropriately lower, the Islanders can't hope to get out of the league basement anytime soon without picking up more than two points from this home-and-home with the Rangers.

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New York Rangers (14-11-1, 13th) at New York Islanders (5-12-5, 30th)
 Nassau [gloriously unsponsored] Vets. Mem. Coliseum
7 p.m. | MSG/+2, audio - WRHU 88.7
Papa taught me wrong: Blueshirt Banter

The Isles have a league-low 22 games played (tied with Detroit, who has done just a tad better with their 22). In the next 3.5 days they'll push that total up to 25 and yet even a sweep of all three divisional games would only potentially leap over New Jersey (currently three points up with 18) and possibly Edmonton, Toronto or Florida (each five points up with 20). In other words, 14-game winless streaks dig season-crushing holes.

Star-divide

No Really, It's Just another Game, I Swear

It's been said a thousand times, but these derby games are different. It never matters what each team's rank in the standings is, these games take on a life of their own -- even when the rivalry is in a slump by its lofty standards. On the Islanders side, players are always admitting these games are "special." On the Rangers side, there is the constant pretense that it doesn't mean anything special at all, a claim repeated so often that one thinks they doth protest too much.

This is captured perfectly by -- and I'm shocked to be both agreeing and quoting this -- Sean Avery as reported by Larry Brooks:

"The Islanders definitely enjoy playing the underdog card, so I think we have to have an arrogant attitude where we have a chip on our shoulder in these games..."

"Swagger" is a word I've seen uttered by players from both teams recently -- and it's one cited and sought by Garth Snow after Scott Gordon's firing. It's not a word I particularly like -- just play the game, I say -- but I can't deny the psychological side of this game and how it can influence player confidence and, consequently, performance. "Swagger" always sounds to me like you're talking yourself into believing something you maybe shouldn't, but at some point if a player believes in its effect on his own performance, then it matters.

And it's precisely that aspect that makes this rivalry a frequent "forget the standings" intense affair on the ice as well as in the stands: The presence of rival fans, the different buzz in the building, the knowledge in the heads of players on both teams that this matchup means more -- if for no other reason than fans' ever-present fear of razzing from colleagues/friends -- elevates the significance. How players respond to that, whether by coming out on fire, coming out with too much fire, or coming out too relaxed in an attempt to avoid coming out with too much fire, is why the script always elicits extra explanation, like this from Ryan Callahan:

"I don't think we matched their intensity right out of the gate in the last one there where they came really hard at us, and that's what we have to change," Ryan Callahan told The Post. "We want them to have to worry about us, not us worrying about them."

That sort of "we weren't intense"/"worrying about them" stuff shouldn't be a factor. But it's Isles-Rangers, so it is.

Lineup Notes

The Islanders have stated Rick DiPietro gets the start again and Andrew MacDonald is definitely in the lineup. Whether Jack Hillen was apparently up to coaches' decisions yesterday afternoon, but I don't expect them to re-introduce both into the lineup for this game. The other stakes in play are emergency call-up Dylan Reese as well as the facial fracture of Bruno Gervais -- who was planning to resume play with a cage, but prudence might dictate a delay there.

As nicely outlined by George Ays at Blueshirt Banter via painstakingly recorded scoring chance tabs, the Rangers have played better in front of Martin Biron than they have in front of Henrik Lundqvist.

The Banter also has a nice look at the once highly sought college free agent and local Matt Gilroy's inability to carve a regular spot with the Rangers. There was always that risk when bidding up and guaranteeing money for a late bloomer with leverage, but it will be interesting to see where his career goes from here. It's still only 26 games (team games, Gilroy's played 18) into year two of his pro career.

Powerplay

It's no secret where the Islanders' problems have been lately: Offense, or lack thereof -- particularly on the powerplay. Their 5-on-5 GF/GA ratio (0.52) remains abysmal, but it's actually rebounded from the depths seen during that 14-game winless streak. In contrast, the powerplay has not, as its drought stands at 0-for-31 and counting. Rectifying that has been a focus during this long break between games, with the injured Doug Weight even being called on for some advice.

MacDonald's return should make a difference overall, although I hesitate to expect too much in his first game back in over a month. Still, Jack Capuano (who coached A-Mac and used him in many roles in Bridgeport) shares Gordon's belief that MacDonald has a role on the powerplay:

He’s really going to help us out on the power play, you know, his distribution of the puck on the power play and his shot. The one thing about Andrew being out for as long as he has is that he has to make sure he simplifies his game his first game back and not over handle the puck.

Does that mean A-Mac gets significant PP time tonight? Well, rust or no rust, it can't be any worse than it's been recently without him.

Tonight

So here we go. It's at the Coliseum tonight, followed by the Garden -- and the Puck Daddy viewing party, if you're near but not in the Garden tomorrow (like me) tomorrow night. Some good ol' rivalry fun. Lots of exclamation points.

It's been a while, but our usual game thread tomfoolery and First Islanders Goal pool resumes tonight.

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I probably will not be able to get to the game thread (wife, daughter & grandson in the house!!) so my pick is: RSH @ 8:55…GO, ISLES, GO…Please kick some Rag-ass tonight.

Can we please try to keep the goal judge awake??

by upstateislesfan on Dec 2, 2010 7:24 AM EST reply actions  

FIG

1. Taveres (Schremp, MacDonald) 4:35

NTIPC

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Dec 2, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Grabner @ 6:00

Going to the game so I won’t be around for the thread. Let’s win and win big; I beg you.

There is a lighthouse at the end of the tunnel.

by Anarcurt on Dec 2, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Grabner

4:00

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by Keith Quinn on Dec 2, 2010 9:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Also predicting

A Martin/Sauer tilt.

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by Keith Quinn on Dec 2, 2010 9:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

FIF?

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

FIF

Konopka – Prust 5:47

by billymac23 on Dec 2, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Good call

Konopka always getting it out of the way before Gillies can even sniff the ice.

Boogaard — which is Nordic-Minnesotan for “Big man carry stick aimlessly” — is playing.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Knopka silly enough to try to fight Boogaard? I think that’s Trevor’s area, and last time, Trevor got knocked out…Stay away from Boogaard, he’s a bad man.

by billymac23 on Dec 2, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm on that...

Gillies needs to be there for what he did the last time… not settling scores. If Boogard wants a dance partner wait until he asks… refuse… and when he’s about to skate away SUCKER PUNCH AVERY!!!!

this way Avery gets a dose… and we can all laugh at the Rangers for signing the 260lb stick caddy..

Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!

by JPinVA on Dec 2, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I love this form of justice

I wish more of the league did “what comes around goes around”-style stuff. If someone takes out your star, deal with them, sure, but more importantly target their star next.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Gillies v Boogard

Gillies… 6’3", 215
Boogard… 6’8", 257
I can understand wanting revenge… but I can’t stand those staged fights.. I would hope that if “Boogie Fights” should blindside JT or A-mac… then maybe Konopka, Gillies AND MArtin can drag him through the zamboni tunnel and do a little Sonny Corleone job on him… but other than that, why give purpose to that huge waste of space.

On the other hand… we rekindle the Avery v DP situation… Avery and Bruno… the tool is about 200 lbs… so if you’re gonna be a fight promoter and if Gillies wants Boogard (to make up for the KO 100 years ago), then you gotta put Avery and Martin together… less of a mismatch(than gillies v boog)… and two scraps the fans will enjoy.

the best scenario… No fights until Hamonic crushes Gabby with a legal hit, and somebody comes to his defense… then Bickle has to show he can answer the bell after ringing one.

Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!

by JPinVA on Dec 2, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

And then we get a PP on top, I hope.

When Boogaard can’t find a dance partner he does tend to go around trying to rock people, so I could see he and Gillies meeting up without it being the typical staged mercenary v. mercenary deal.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Knopka silly enough to try to fight Boogaard?

I hope not — that’s why I thought your call of Zenon v. Prust was the right call.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

FIG: Nielsen @ 10:33

Carter, hand me my thinking grenades!

by meigs1414 on Dec 2, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Comeau 9:00

It’s the Rangers… Comeau might get three under the cap!

Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!

by JPinVA on Dec 2, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

PAP 19:40 of the first

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 2, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

;) :'(

God I miss that chant

"I think we got the better Lindros." - Fulla Maloney; "If I'm wrong about Kvasha, then off with my head" - Voldemort; "I find your lack of positive press disturbing" - Garth Vader

by Bryan2112 on Dec 2, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Moulson @ 10:26

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

FIG

Nielsen 5:44

Go find yourself an open door.

by The Black Map on Dec 2, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

FIG

Moulson 22:50

Constantly building for the future.

by pgat28 on Dec 2, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Konopka

I’m sticking with him until he proves me right. 18:00.

by IDigRcks on Dec 2, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Zenon!!!!!!!!!!

I hope no one else picked him, but I was within 2 minutes.

by IDigRcks on Dec 2, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure you won it

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo...not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 4, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

FIG

Tavares @ 3:20 (sorry Grabner)

Come on everyone! Na na na na na!

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Dec 2, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm collecting these from here like I did the other night.

Already seeing some interesting trends on times and players. =p

Lighthouse Hockey: Raising the compete level...whatever that means.
(MTBVibe: Now a twit!)

by MTBVibe on Dec 2, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

My pattern is broken tonight. Usually I give Grabner the nod, but tonight I feel that Tavares will have a spark.

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Dec 2, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

We have certain times we cluster around, too.

I’m thinking about trying something new when I pick in the game thread. Pondering my options!

Lighthouse Hockey: Raising the compete level...whatever that means.
(MTBVibe: Now a twit!)

by MTBVibe on Dec 2, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I always try to but...

My hope for Grabner scoring is too stong.

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Dec 2, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Grabs

His twitter feed is refreshing, too. Comes across as really earnest.

I just tallied up the pick trends so far from just the pregame thread picks:
PICKS BY PLAYER:
Tavares 3
Comeau 4
Moulson 5
Nielsen 2
Grabner 2
Schremp 1
Parenteau 2
Wisniewski 2
Hamonic 3
Joensuu 1
Konopka 1

Makes sense if you think about it – we have the highest vote totals for our leading scorer and our guy who is historically hot against the Rags, then tied are our 2nd leading scorer and the sentimental favorite, and then fairly evenly distributed between our other scorers.

Lighthouse Hockey: Raising the compete level...whatever that means.
(MTBVibe: Now a twit!)

by MTBVibe on Dec 2, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

FIG GRABNER

12:00 1ST PERIOD

Down With Wang,

by kcNYI on Dec 2, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

awesome, maybe this is the start of us getting healthy

hope we can start seeing guys coming back every couple of games instead of guys going down every other game.

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 2, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

fig comeau 3:31

we are playing the rangers,right.?

by Lakewood Islander on Dec 2, 2010 8:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

A-Mac on PP

I wonder if he will get time on the 1st PP unit. Maybe next to Wiz, could be very nice combo but I really look forward to his steaady play in fron tof the goalie. Hope we keep Hamonic up even if Hillen and Gervais are healthy. I have been more impressed with him in 2 games than either of the other guys

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 2, 2010 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

Hamonic/Hillen

I bet Hillen gets another game on the “concussion”, and Hamonic gets a look tonight. Remember that Reese is still here, after all.

Lighthouse Hockey: Raising the compete level...whatever that means.
(MTBVibe: Now a twit!)

by MTBVibe on Dec 2, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

From the morning skate

Sounds like Bruno and Hillen are the ones sitting out, according to @KatieStrangNYI. I definitely like the idea of Hamonic getting some rivalry time.

Oh look at you, air-quoting “concussion.”

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, "Head injury"...

Heh, I think he’s ok now, precautionary holdout is both good PR of late as well as allows them to keep the emergency call-ups (Hamonic most importantly) up for another game.

Lighthouse Hockey: Raising the compete level...whatever that means.
(MTBVibe: Now a twit!)

by MTBVibe on Dec 2, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm

I could see more of Bruno. He has been playing pretty well in the last few games.

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Dec 2, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Fractured cheekbone. =/

He’s in a cage right now, and apparently isn’t or hasn’t adjusted well.

Lighthouse Hockey: Raising the compete level...whatever that means.
(MTBVibe: Now a twit!)

by MTBVibe on Dec 2, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

hope we get to 4-0 in the NY/NJ battle

if we don’t make playoffs, if we at least win the local battle we have some type of bragging rights

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 2, 2010 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

Gone are the LARGE SUV Metro Rivalry™ days of yore…

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

FIG Moulson 4:40

Islanders 3. Pond Scum 1, only because I predict 8 power plays for the evil ones and only two for the good guys (which would be the Islanders, if any Ranger fans are reading, or at least trying to).

by martylnd on Dec 2, 2010 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

The Rivalry

I don’t think the TRUE islander-Ranger rivalry will be back until they’re both contending for playoff spots. But I devinitely see this as a series of SWING games for both teams. The Islanders need to prove to themselves they are not LOSING FOR LARSSON and the Rangers don’t want to get lost in the pack of also rans. Losing two to the 30th place Islanders would immediatly put that stamp on them.
With Hamonic, Martin and Gillies playing under “the Cap”, this one will have an old time feel to it… well… one would hope. It’s time for someone to light the burner, and hopefully by the end of the season NYers will have something to talk about at the office besides baseball.
Here’s to Jack(Who I have faith in) and Ricky(who I really didn’t) turning this season around!!!

Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!

by JPinVA on Dec 2, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Plus

It will be time for Biron to show us his stuff and for DP to show Biron just how good he is.

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Dec 2, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

FIG

Hamonic debuts in a big way – goal @ 15:12, assist @ 37:08… fight @ 54:30.

Now bring us some FIGGY pudding.

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by mikb on Dec 2, 2010 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

PS

If I hit all three of those, I ought to win something nice… maybe Botta’s old press creds or something.

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by mikb on Dec 2, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Those come with a special black light code...

…that when read by NVMC security says.. KICK THIS GUY IN THE NUTS, PULL DOWN HIS PANTS AND GIVE HIM A WEDGIE.

Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!

by JPinVA on Dec 2, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no no no

That’s printed on the back of my airline ticket…

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by mikb on Dec 2, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Way OT...

But pretty funny…
Coming back from Louisville (Giants v Indy trip) I’m in the airport, and quite hung over. Three of us are flying back to Richmond. I get stopped by security because the metal detector goes off. I already have my belt and shoes in a tray 20 yards away. My cargo shorts are avoiding gravity by some miracle I dare Newton to explore…
anyway.. i step to the side and get the magic wand… she passes over my personal region and BUZZZZ…
I go through my pockets… nothing… oh.. wait there’s a dime stuck in the crease of a back pocket… good… let’s try again… BUZZZ… JEEEZUS…. call over the male (barely) TSA officer… and he “pats” me down.
“You know, if you were around last night you could have done this after I passed out”
“Ha… could you spread your legs sir”
“I could… but I’m pretty sure the slightest movement is gonna cause these shorts to find an unhappy resting place”
“Wha… oh.. okay…you can put your arms down and hold up your pants”
pat down complete… NOTHING
wand… BUZZZ…
I whisper in his ear…
“you know, this is a little embarassing… but I have a penile implant and…”
“Oh.. okay.. why didn’t you say that in the first place…go ahead”
I leave.. but I’m still a little curious as to why the damn thing was buzzing because I do not have a stick in my (well.. you know)… After dressing I do a more thorough search of my 200 pockets.. and voila… pack of HALLS (A must for the traveling drunk)… so I go back to the security guys, and ask them to wand the HALLS… yep… BUZZIN like a nest of hornets… damn foil.
so… two words for all you traveling hockey fans… Tic Tacs!

Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!

by JPinVA on Dec 2, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, epic lesson, that


Can’t say I’ve ever run across a TSA frisker that accommodating.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm pretty sure...

…that he felt as if three drunken middle aged comedians (my buddies were also railbirding the situation) weren’t going to blow up the plane.
A similar situation happened to me going into a courthouse to appear for a traffic ticket… and the wise ass routine got me a dress down from a county officer… and that was because I was reading my Kindle in the courtroom.

Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!

by JPinVA on Dec 2, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

TSA agents aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer are they? I had one stop me from brinbing on a 6 oz bottle fbaby powder because of the 4 oz restriction on liquids. He kept telling me there is a 4 oz limit and I had to tell him that powder is kind of the exact opposite of a liquid. It took a couple of “supervisors” to figure it out and a stern reprimand that next time I shouldn’t have it in my carry-on since it causes so much confusion.

by Hockey1919 on Dec 2, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Clouseau-esque

what a great way to get 4oz of coke or heroine from place to place.

Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!

by JPinVA on Dec 2, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It sure beats going the mule route

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The lesson is:

Remember its powder you can bring more than 4 oz, so don’t lmit your smuggling to small doses.

by Hockey1919 on Dec 2, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you never know when a Person Wielding Authority will treat you like a human or like a…well, a human, but the jackass kind.

When things first got TSA-heavy, I had always taken my Leatherman on trips because it served most purposes. On the way out, I remembered to check it. On the way in…the sinking feeling as they went through my carryon that the 4" knife blade just MIGHT be a problem. But they were pretty cool about it, saw my checked bag still in the x-ray line and let me go slip it in rather than drop $40 into an airport wastebin. (Say, that’s the cost of a checked bag on some flights these days!)

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

there ass backwards

they stop you for the stupidest things yet i usually travel with a backpack and didn’t realize i had forgotten to take a my Gerber multi-tool and they stopped me search my bag but didn’t say anything about it. Found it when i got to the hotel. Same routine on the return flight haha!’

PS: Im goin to the game tonight. should be sic ass!

by 54_Fighting on Dec 2, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of which the Coliseum security is also pretty funny. Brought a larger lense for the home opener and security asked if I had anything smaller. I told him “that’s what she said” being juvenile, but he didn’t get it. When did the lense moratorium start?

by Hockey1919 on Dec 2, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Nearly lost mine last year at the home opener

Jammed the camera bag in Mrs. Lighthouse’s purse and they saw it but it was a pain to pull it out, so they asked “Is it a detachable lens?”

“No, ossifer, I swear.”

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

My brother

Pretends he’s enjoying it too much…the frisking is over shortly thereafter.

Sarcasm experience enhanced by Samsung (TM)

by Keith Quinn on Dec 2, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Oooh, that's a great idea

“Yeah right there…a little to the lef—ahhh, that’s the spot.”

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo...not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 4, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

FIG

Wiz 12:08

FB4Real
"Past performance Is Not A Guarantee For Future Results"

by FB4Real on Dec 2, 2010 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

I assume it was mentioned ...

somewhere along the line but in case it wasn’t or if anyone missed it, there was a fairly extensive ‘state of the Islanders’ piece in the Times yesterday. That’s right – The New York Times featured coverage of our team. And pretty depressing it was.

by dose on Dec 2, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

It was nothing new.

Just a rehash of everything we know with a negative slant.

by TMS on Dec 2, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that Botta has cried to pretty much everyone he can about the loss of his press credentials, the press is rallying to his cause to show what a ‘bad organization’ this is. Guarantee the Times doesn’t give a hoot if Botta doesn’t do the ‘feel sorry for me’ press tour. He really turned into a tool.

by billymac23 on Dec 2, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The NYT did more than rally to his cause- I think he wrote that article for them.
So does BD Gallof from Hockey Independent, Nick Giglia from Let ThereBe Light(house), and NewYorkIslanderFanCentral, among others.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 2, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yes

It’s been mentioned and discussed a bit! [FanPost]

I honestly didn’t bat an eye — I’m so used to it — except some of the factual errors depressed me both for the state of NYT hockey coverage and the state of criticism. It’s so easy to criticize this team without having to resort to things that are either false (the LTIR issue) or irrelevant (that a 2008 pick is in the AHL). MTBVibe’s FireJoeMorgan comment treatment was pretty thorough.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

color me shocked

The Times got to the story late, still had factual errors, and came away with a moronic conclusion? NO WAY, DUDE.

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by mikb on Dec 2, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

despite it being ...

longer than a paragraph the piece is pretty superficial, and off the mark in terms of why the LH went down. Still, whenever I see any coverage at all involving the team by a REAL media source I take note.

by dose on Dec 2, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely

It goes in the file. This is our multichannel world now, I think. The generalists do not have time/resources to really dig into the specialty topics that the rabid niche fans are already covering elsewhere. A thousand cable channels, a thousand trade journals, or a thousand blogs cover the topics in depth for those who want it. So the generalists get stuff like this.

I was thinking about 2008, and it’s funny: Filatov has been scratched lately in Columbus (does that mean they blew that pick? Not at all.). Columbus has largely been a disaster thanks to MacLean, who is like a Milbury-lite with a better owner. So aside from the team’s excellent performance this year, you could do a decade-long piece on their failings even though much of the blame falls on the previous regime. The generalist wouldn’t know the specifics and, truthfully, probably wouldn’t care.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a different ....

world indeed. An aside – Evan Weiner of the examiner.com also had a piece about Gov. Patterson’s Islanders/LH comments, as well as Kate Murray’s, at the Press Club meeting last night. Mr. Weiner is a ‘real’ reporter,’ a dwindling, almost extinct public asset. I don’t that much about examiner.com but it seems like a pretty interesting outlet covering a diverse array of topics.

by dose on Dec 2, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Examiner

I’ve seen some stuff there — it depends on the quality of the writer/reporter. Don’t know Weiner but I SO miss and mourn that kind of reporter you describe. Damn-near altruists, those guys.

If you’re into this topic (I am, I grew up with the Times in my crib, so each cut saddens me), Newspaper Deathwatch is a good blog that has lots of interesting links and thoughts on how the benefit of a free press and investigative journalism is trying to survive in this NWO.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: Marco Sturm traded to L.A. Kings

So sayeth the Twitteratti.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

Saw that

Sounds like for conditional pick too. Should just about solve their cap problems so no more circling that carcass for us.

There is a lighthouse at the end of the tunnel.

by Anarcurt on Dec 2, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Herein lies the rub, the only thing the Islanders can’t afford to trade is picks and the only thing cap strapped teams want back are picks since they can’t take on any salary. There goes the whole taking advantage of other teams cap problem theory.

by Hockey1919 on Dec 2, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

rub-ber gun!

I don’t particularly agree with that theory. I think our number one the next two years is going to be rather valuable regardless of what we get back in a trade… but any other pick, or combination of picks is on the table for me if you get a top six forward in return. Because we don’t have nearly enough of those… even as prospects in teh next three years.
And I’d part with one or both of those picks if the right deal came along…

Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!

by JPinVA on Dec 2, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

But can any top-six guys be gained for such price?

I think that’s the problem. I doubt anyone gives up a real top-six who isn’t a pending UFA or coming with massive baggage for that.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe in keeping picks, because I don’t see how else the Islanders can get top end talent, but picks are potential and can easily be wasted. I recall laughing when Botta said he wouldn’t trade the Isle’s number 1 pick for Malkin because it is important to keep your picks. I’m sorry for all of JTs potential Malkin is a proven 24 year old and Botta thought that type of swap would be ridiculous.

I just don’t think the Islanders are willing to part with picks because bodies cost money. Islander picks are valuable in the first round becasue they tend to be in the top five.

by Hockey1919 on Dec 2, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Islander picks are valuable in the first round becasue they tend to be in the top five.

Heh, too true. Really that makes me gunshy too: Like say the Isles were in the playoff bubble this year and could really make a push by adding that one winger. If the team asked for a pick not this summer but next (2012), I’d be scared to death, knowing how quickly you can fall from bubble team to right back to the bottom.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Value...may be understated...and overrated

Value wise, you might say the Islanders have done better in the later rounds. Don’t get me wrong, I think they have done pretty well over the past few years with 1st and 2nd rounders… but I’m more enthused about some of the later round picks that might be support players for us in the future… some of them like MacDonald, Martin, Donovan, Kabanov, Cizikas, Lee, Petrov, Ullstrom, Poulin, DiBo… You’d have to say that Snow and Jankowski did a pretty good job at the draft table (speculatively)…
Are they still going to throw 4th and 5th round darts and get [possibly] four players like Donovan, Ullstrom, Martin and Poulin… in a single year using a scouting service.

Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!

by JPinVA on Dec 2, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I stil prescribe to the Sam Pollack idea of trade value. He who gets the best player wins. There is plenty of value for 3rd and 4th line players unless that’s all you have playing on your top two lines. The same with draft picks, a top 5 pick should be an NHLer, everything else is chance. Again this isn’t necessarily the value to the Islanders either, but the value to their trade partner.

by Hockey1919 on Dec 3, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Again, maybe I missed it ...

and if so, sorry but my ability to check all things Islanders is limited sometimes, but do we know if Weight is really injured as opposed to a coaching decision to go in another direction?

by dose on Dec 2, 2010 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Official word has been "back spasms"

Quite a lengthy spasmatic episode, wouldn’t you say?

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Muscle strain!

Too much sobbing while sitting on the floor of the shower, ala Tobias Funke?

It’s ok, Dougie! We’ll mail you some of Lindsay’s conditioner…

Lighthouse Hockey: Raising the compete level...whatever that means.
(MTBVibe: Now a twit!)

by MTBVibe on Dec 2, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.. chronic back spasms...

brought on by double digit losing streaks.

Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!

by JPinVA on Dec 2, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHA

Any time someone that old bends over to tie his shoes, he suffers spasms. Take it from me, I know.

Can we please try to keep the goal judge awake??

by upstateislesfan on Dec 2, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he should go to a single digit on the sweater to lighten the load a bit.

by Hockey1919 on Dec 2, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Couldn't possibly be from carrying the team!

"We've made a final offer. We hope Ziggy Palffy will come to his senses. We have NO hope his agent will." - Mike Milbury

by NYI_22 on Dec 2, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I like dougie...

but that would be a S==T=R==E===T==C====H

Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!

by JPinVA on Dec 2, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, yes it would be

Poor choice of words on my part, I should have conveyed my meaning with, “certainly is not from carrying the team”

"We've made a final offer. We hope Ziggy Palffy will come to his senses. We have NO hope his agent will." - Mike Milbury

by NYI_22 on Dec 2, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

FIG

it’s gotta be matty mo, baby, the man comes to play vs the rangers, i think he gets a breakaway on a bad change, lone assist to DiP

:-)

NTIPC, but you can buy tix for wed's game for $7 on stubhub... ... 7$ freaking dollars

by bob l on Dec 2, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

Ok I am a moron, what does FIG stand for

I am an old fart so I had a couple of figs with my breakfast, and I love the hell out of Fig Newtons

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 2, 2010 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

Newton!

First Islanders Goal poll. If it helps, I knew what it meant but didn’t realize what it stood for the first time someone used it.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me guess

If I want to watch the game in HD, I have to suffer through the Rangers announcing crew. NTIPC.

by AP77 on Dec 2, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

maybe not

Overflow Ch 414 was in HD last time I watched. Shocked the heck out of me but I’m sure Cablevision CSRs were happy because I call each game and b*tch them out for having to watch it in SD when they brag they carry all the major teams in HD. So they got a break from hearing me that night!

"We've made a final offer. We hope Ziggy Palffy will come to his senses. We have NO hope his agent will." - Mike Milbury

by NYI_22 on Dec 2, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This is on Cablevision, I assume?

RCN (my provider in Manhattan) definitely doesn’t get +2 in HD.

by AP77 on Dec 2, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah DolanTV

"We've made a final offer. We hope Ziggy Palffy will come to his senses. We have NO hope his agent will." - Mike Milbury

by NYI_22 on Dec 2, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

*sniffle*

I have to watch it on NHL Center ice, so now HD for me. cry

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Dec 2, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is great

Both Moulson and Grabner referring to the Rangers as the Rags in their tweets.

Grabs40: Getting ready to head to the rink…let’s get a win against the rags…yeayea

MMoulson: Here we go against the Rags

"We've made a final offer. We hope Ziggy Palffy will come to his senses. We have NO hope his agent will." - Mike Milbury

by NYI_22 on Dec 2, 2010 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

Wasn't it?

Made me guffaw, it did.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo, no MacDonald. Not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 2, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I think my heart just exploded with love for Grabner.
-Oops, there it goes. I should clean that up.

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Dec 2, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

FIG

Comeau at 13:27

"It's a good thing the Islanders spent the offseason compiling organizational depth on the blueline. Because, yes, they're losing defensemen almost as rapidly as they're losing games."

by ArsenalLI on Dec 2, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

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