The Ideal Trade for Roli?
by BCISLEMAN on Dec 17, 2010 3:32 PM EST
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It is no secret that Dwayne Roloson is likely to be moved before the deadline. It is also no secret that the Islanders need a veteran winger to be JT's on ice mentor. Doug Weight was supposed to be that guy, but it seems pretty clear that his career is over.
Most of the obvious candidates for the job have NMCs and NTCs. There is one promising exception: Brooks Laich of the Washington Capitals. Brooks Laich is still young at 27, he has six years of experience, and he is more than big and tough enough to watch JT's back.
From the standpoint of a trade, he is, like Roli, a UFA at the end of the season, almost a dollar for dollar match cap-wise, and does not have a NMC or NTC. It would simply be a matter of McPhee and Snow shaking hands. Also, more than one writer in more than one publication has mentioned that the Caps might want Roli. Getting him to be JT's wingman would be of greater value than even a late first round pick would be--assuming that anyone would offer that for Roli.
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Feb. 28
Actually, I’m pretty sure this year’s deadline is Feb. 28. Not sure why it’s earlier.
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Really?
Don’t remember it being in February before. I thought it was always the first week of March.
Apparently it was Feb. 26 in 2008. Last year it was just bumped to soon after the Olympic break.
I know there was a decision to make it earlier so that fewer teams know they’re out of it and simply go into sell mode, but I’m not sure if that means just moving it to early in March (in which case, not sure why 2/28 this year) or to all the way to end of Feb.
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yeah, we're only talking about a week or so
can’t see that making a huge difference in anyone’s plans.
I'm sure he'd wait a bit longer to make sure Ricky doesn't relapse
But as long as DP plays well enough and shows he is healthy I think Roli is gone by March. This deal works but if they cannot re-sign him it’s just a band-aid. I’d rather see a guy who is under contract stuck here for a few years.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
not likely to get someone under contract past this year
and if its a fit on the ice and in the room, he may well sign an extension with us. Worth a shot.
they wouldn’t do Roli for Laich straight up
they sure as heck aren’t going to give up Varlamov for Comeau to boot
i agree w/ the later comment that IF Roloson is moved it will be for a draft pick
not for a strong, established player
he’s going to be 42 y.o., and he’s decent, but not great
Garth appears to have other ideas
they need an experienced playmaking winger like Gagne. TB needs an upgrade in goal and Washington may as well. You could throw Chicago and Toronto into that mix. This is an opportunity and Garth is wise to try to take advantage of it.
Garth has other ideas because someone is spreading rumors about Roli to TB?
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves: We don’t know what’s in play, but recent history indicates the price for goaltending is low. Recall that Biron did not move last year despite people saying the same about Washington, Philadelphia and Chicago’s goaltending — and two of those teams made the finals despite the peasants they had in net.
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there are several rumors out there about Garth making a move and the musical goalies last night really only makes sense if a trade is in the works
Roli is and was a better more reliable netminder than Biron, Chicago doesn’t have the team this year that it did last year, and Tampa’s weakness in net is really all that’s keeping it from being one of the top tier contenders. Plus despite what that beatwriter said, Gagne has to have been a disappointment for TB. Injury or no injury for him to have six points and December’s almost over…trading for Roli who will be more reliable in net and solve that problem and Comeau who is bigger and more durable especially when they don’t really need Gagne’s scoring just seems like a no-brainer
they must really have like Nate and Bergie
What? Comeau? Roli? Sure we have some more room on the bench, Garth!
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from what I can tell, they do like Nate and Bergie
Bergie seems to be doing well and scoring some big goals for them. But that’s not the point, sarcasm aside. Roli solves their problem in net…which is by far their biggest problem right now…and Comeau gives them a younger, cheaper, and more surable forward who has clearly has a better season than Gagne so far.
Tamby seems to be doing well in VAN and Jackman in CGY
the thing is they are good 3rd and 4th liners, but we wanted them to be more
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by Rickfansince76 on Dec 23, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Now that you mention it,
Jackman-ok/average 4th liner. He’ll fight for his team, but I have seen him get his ass kicked a lot more times then him kicking ass. Bad fighter for his size. Good checker. I’d call him a doofier, less physical, worse fighting, less agitating matt martin.
Tamy-. He is a worse schremp. Inconsistent shot, tiny player, decent speed, but not much to nothing else. He is in the best place he could be right now, and still barely looks good enough to keep a 3rd line wing job in an optimal spot, imo. Sure his stats look nice, but time will show he’s the same old streaky tamby. At best a good 3rd liner.
Would I want either on my team now? Tamby, never because of how streaky he was. He was a smaller less useful comeau, and comeau is only bearable at times because he kills penalties, throws checks, plays with grit, and battles. Jackman as I said is a lesser martin. Not saying that’s bad though. He does have solid tools, and I’d probably like him on our 4th liner over sim because he can fight, hits harder, and is big. Over another player would be a different questionable question though.
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better chance w/ TB
but again, temper expectations for what the Isles might receive coming back
the market for goalies is not good
I’d say there’s a 75% chance that unless there’s an injury to a starting goalie (and even then there’s Nabokov) that Rollie finishes the year with the Isles.
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25% at best
There are too many teams that already are being talked about as needing him specifically. Nabby would have to be passed through waivers where any other team could claim him and he’d have to agree to terms that fit another team’s cap picture. Most playoff teams are pretty tight cap-wise. Roli is almost certain to be gone before the deadline.
actually there is
Tampa will almost certainly make a move and Chicago and Washington are potential buyers. And now Toronto might become a player as well. And that doesn’t even allow for a possible injury or two that might yet happen.
When it comes time to rent out
I’d be thrilled if Roloson fetched any established NHLer, Laich or otherwise. Don’t expect him to fetch anything more than a pick though — and that’s if anyone actually wants him.
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by Dominik on Dec 17, 2010 4:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Are all the pundits wrong?
Pretty much everyone who mentions deadline deals has Roli front and center as one of the most appealing and likely to be traded players. Writers in Tampa and Washington have specifically mentioned Roli as someone their teams should target. If the Caps are committed to Laich, why haven’t they signed him to an extension? If he is committed to staying there, why didn’t he negotiate a NTC? Washington may well need to shakeup the room anyway. Bring up someone from Hershey. They are loaded with talent. Or maybe they can work a trade with Columbus to bring Clark back.
But they are the same people who declared Cam Fowler would be a top draft pick.
People talking is one thing, team actually doing it is another.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 17, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
No, actually it is also the beat writers for the teams
as well as columnists for various media outlets. And, btw, those pundits appear to have made the right call about Fowler. He is doing quite well in Anaheim. Would have liked to have seen how he did against us, but my daughter’s Christmas play took precedence!
That isnt my point.
He WASNT a top pick. Whether he DESERVED to be one or not is for you to ponder all you want.
My point is that analysts can say what teams will and wont do with all sorts of certainty, but they dont always know what the fuck they are talking about.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 17, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know exactly what you are saying, but their is a big difference between deserving to or being projected as a top pick and being drafted as one.
You have to let people be able to project draft picks without knowing. It’s not like people ask GM’s and owners who they will pick and they get an exact answer.
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sometimes analysts have a good idea about what teams SHOULD do
as with Fowler. Roli makes more sense than a lot of moves a team could make that needs a goaltender. Only reason he wouldn’t be is if teams can’t come together on terms.
And sometimes it's wishful thinking
The beat writers have four motivations: 1. get the story right; 2. get the story first; 3. sell the paper; 4. what they’d like to see done. These don’t always work in that order. My experience is that not every writer really wants to be correct – not that they want to get the facts wrong, on purpose, but when it comes to what could be done, a writer doesn’t really need to get it right. There’s usually not much of a price to pay for a guy who usually misses his guesses. They can always claim that they knew better than the team.
In this case it means a guy can talk up Roli, not because he really thinks that he’s a hot property, but for other reasons: he wants the team to get him, or to get rid of a particular guy, or because saying so will attract attention or notoriety.
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In this case
Roli is simply the best alternative for a team looking for a veteran goalie who can be counted on in crunch time. It doesn’t take much for a writer to figure that out.
Right now looks like cam should have been a top draft pick. Doing surprisingly well offensively now.
On the verge of a 7goal/40pts season.
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Pundits are almost always wrong
It consistently amazing me that you don’t recognize that — except, of course, when someone writes something harsh but accurate about the Islanders, then you’re all: “OMG, he’s a Rangers fan!”
El Punditeratti
They are saying their teams should target a goalie because their teams’ goalies are playing poorly. That’s what pundits do: “Our teams goalies have been weak. Who else is out there? Oh, hey, there’s a guy who could be had for cheap…”
Maybe those teams make a move, maybe they don’t. They obviously don’t want to, but they have plenty of time before either their hand is forced or their goaltending rebounds and they talk themselves back into staying pat.
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I Like Roli, but...
Laich is kinda what we need right about now, and for the future. Done deal, tomorrow if possible.
he would be the ideal choice
Would Washington move him? He is a heart and soul guy…but maybe moving him would be just the thing to shake up their room. After losing 8 straight, they need to do something.
no ideal would be Ovechkin
but of coursed that is ideal for us, not the caps..and never going to happen
laich would be nice
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by Rickfansince76 on Dec 19, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
not sure about that
You can’t just add talent to a team without thought for the chemistry. The Rangers tried that for over 10 years and got nowhere with it. The Redden fiasco is just one fallout from that failed experiment. Not saying you couldn’t find a way to make Ovi work within the current team chemistry, but just plugging in talent is often not the answer. Laich would be the ideal addition to the team as it exists now.
so your saying if the Caps said
your choice, Laich or Ovechkin, you can have whoever you want for Rollie. You would pass on Alex O.
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by Rickfansince76 on Dec 19, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saying you can't just plug in talent of any level
into any team and expect it to work. What’s happening to the Devils should be a perfect indication of that.
Ovechkin>Kovalchuck
Ilya is kessel on a half-cycle of steroids in my opinion, and always will be. AO is a game changer and would turn any team around. Despite the Caps slump, he is as dynamic as I’ve ever seen and does everything well. Last week his hipcheck on Callahan and fight with Dubinsky show you the kind of leadership/toughness he has (although it did nothing in that beating). Kovy is a passenger that just happens to finish a lot.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 20, 2010 7:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that is what we need, a finisher
I’m a quite convinced that Comeau needs to stop being the guy who enter the zone with the puck, he needs to be a shooter. someone else needs to be moving up the ice with the puck. I think he needs to be next to Frans
Blake comes in fast but always has problems getting the puck to the center or near the net
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by Rickfansince76 on Dec 20, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
but they havent been finishing
there are a lot of pucks in front with a good part of the net open that arent getting put in. I see them in almost every game
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by Rickfansince76 on Dec 23, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, no sale
Ovi is on pace to make 29 goals this year…less than Matt. He is having a horrible year. The fight with Dubie just shows that he is off his game. Will he get back on? We’ll see. But even in past years when he was on, the Caps never even got close to the Finals. Will they ever? Hard to say. After the Isle losses to the Leafs and teh Rangers in the late 70s, many were questioning whether they would be a perennial also ran. Same with the Oil after the Isles swept them in 83. Will Ovi and the Cap crew ever rise to the next level? We’ll see.
Washed up
I can’t believe you would say something like this just in the hopes of being right about Laich. The point was that he knows he is off his game. That is why he is trying to do other things, unlike some of our guys who when they are off their game look like they are playing Marco Polo in quicksand.
I bet 45g +, you want the under? Prorated in case of injury.
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OMG
Ovi washed up? lulz.
Wow. I thought he was out there last year when he said Josh Bailey would be a hall of famer (AHL HOF?), but this one really takes the cake. Incredible stuff, just unbelievable.
yeah just incredible how you and quin would make up a phrase that I NEVER USED!!!
You two are absolutely a waste of time. I will not bother communicating with you in the future.
Come on man
you and quin would make up a phrase that I NEVER USED!!!
You do this daily. As a matter of fact, I asked you not to in another thread yesterday. But in this thread, you take a ricksfan joke
no ideal would be Ovechkin
and take it to
You can’t just add talent to a team without thought for the chemistry…..Laich would be the ideal addition to the team as it exists now.
And then try to justify your Laich vs Ovechkin position by citing AO’s diminished season. Look, we all know there’s no way we could ever land AO, but most of us would think he is a person you could plug in this lineup immediately and easily. Because whatever didn’t work, I personally would gut our team around him. Is he a champion, no, not yet, but he’s 25, 230lb LW who will crack 300g and 600pts this year. We don’t have any champions on this team either, and you gotta get to the playoffs before you win a cup.
In this case “Washed Up” is the same stretch as Laich creating better Islander chemistry than Ovechkin. I get the concept of chemistry, I just think this is a poor example.
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you used the phrase "washed up" not me
I am saying that he has yet to prove that he is a champion. He is off his game to this point this year. Even in past years when he was on his game, his team never went anywhere in the playoffs. Ovi is a great player, yes. Is he a champion? We’ll see.
The fight with Dubie just shows that he is off his game.
From all reports and reviews of 24/7, it showed he was a captain trying to revive his lifeless teammates.
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How is that show? I’m torn over it. I don’t like the idea of anything that even has a hint of “reality show” in it, but on the other hand anything that raises hockey’s profile probably isn’t a bad thing.
I hain't seen it none
Reviews have been pretty good. Just an interesting inside look at behind the scenes stuff.
I hate most reality shows, but in this case the cast isn’t just whoring to try to become famous because…they already are.
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He may have been trying to do that
and it may have been admirable of him to try…but it takes him off his game and makes him ineffective. Not sure just what the Caps problem is right now and I am not saying that he is all or even mostly at fault. But I have always believed that the great players—as opposed to the very talented ones—win championships. He hasn’t even come close to that yet. Will he get it done this year or ever? We’ll see.
There problem is simple
Some bad injuries and bad luck — same as the Islanders during the 10-game streak, except the Isles obviously start from a far lower standard. The final game in the Capitals’ streak, they dominated but lost.
Since no man can do it on his own, I believe the great players win championships if everything breaks right. The other great players are subject to a lifetime of being called “not a winner.”
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To my mind, you make things break right...or not
Great players—as opposed to very talented ones—get it done when it counts. If Ovi were like Ernie Banks and had no talent around him, I could give him a mulligan. He has world class talent around him and his Caps have repeatedly choked when the bell has rung. Maybe that will change this year. Maybe the trauma of last year’s one and done after getting the President’s Trophy combined with this losing streak will give them the fire in the belly that will get them over the top. Remains to be seen. Not saying he can’t do it. I am saying that until he does, he’s just another very talented player.
There's that selection bias again
It’s just not possible to rank individual players in terms of team accomplishments. Dan Marino was a great player; Trent Dilfer was not. Jim Kelly lost a Super Bowl to Jeff Hostetler. Nobody would take Dilfer or Hoss over Marino or Kelly. (The KC Chiefs actually did take Todd Blackledge over the both of them, and how did that work out?)
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again with the "where are his titles" thing?
Were Dale Hawerchuk and Marcel Dionne crap because his teams were bad? Was Butch Goring suddenly more talented after being traded?
Ovechkin is ONE GUY and I’m quite sure that NHL rosters let you carry 23. Simply counting the rings and saying “X > Y” leads to some right silliness. Ovi is one of the five best players in the league.
Last year a huge argument AGAINST getting Kovi for the Isles was that, even if he was as good as advertised, one guy wasn’t a team, and paying one guy like he was a team was a bad idea. But now Ovechkin is “not good enough to win”? He’s plenty good enough. This isn’t like basketball, where one superstar playing 40+ minutes out of 48 can affect nearly every game. An elite goalie can have something of that effect in hockey, and even then, his team has to score for him.
Ovechkin will be fine. His overall track record is a lot more impressive than his first 25 games this year. One hot streak and he can have 29 goals by the All-Star Game.
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Did Dionne or Hawerchuk play with the kind of talent Ovi has on his team?
The Caps are not the Ernie Banks Cubs. They are loaded with talent. They are talented enough that Ovi ought to be able to lead them to a Cup. He hasn’t come close to doing so yet. Maybe he will…maybe even this year. But until he does, he just isn’t in the same category as Sid for example.
MY POINT
It takes a TEAM to win. If the Caps never win, why lay the blame on Ovechkin, who is by far their best player? What about all those other talented guys? Why single out only the one who is making the most positive contribution?
Dionne had only a few quality guys around him – Simmer and Taylor (the Triple Crown Line), Butchie, an underrated goalie in Rogie Vachon – and he played in the Age of Dynasties: Montreal, New York, Edmonton… hard to stand a chance there. But nobody yells at Rogie Vachon.
Hawerchuk played on some good ones, too… even in Winnipeg, he had Thomas Steen, Randy Carlyle, young Dave Babych (his best years were as a Jet), complimentary scoring from Brian Mullen and Paul MacLean, a good third-line center in Laurie Boschmann. In Buffalo he played with LaFontaine, Mogilny, and Andreychuk, and their goalies were Fuhr, Hasek, and Darren Puppa (holy cats). In 1997 he went to the Finals with the Flyers.
And how talented are the Caps, exactly? Backstrom, Semin, Green, Laich… they’re still all reasonably young. They’re probably comparable to guys like Steen, Carlyle, or Mullen; certainly inferior to LaFontaine etc. And their goalkeeping hasn’t exactly been Hasekian, or even Kolzigesque. Time will tell – and it will tell for the whole club, not just Ovi.
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Ovi is their leader
and they are undoubtedly one of the most talented teams in the NHL today. Since you mentioned Marcel Dionne, google the 1977 playoffs. They got past the first round and gave the Bruins who lost in the Finals to the Habs all they could handle. Having attended several games at the Forum, I can tell you that the cold facts of them losing in 6 doesn’t convey what a challenge they gave the heavily favored Bruins. If Ovi’s Caps were like the Brooklyn Dodgers who just couldn’t get past the Yankees, that would be one thing. But they have choked a number of times now. Will the pain of last year’s one and done and this losing streak build the character of a champion in Ovi and his team? We’ll see.
i just don't get your point
By now you’re refuting yourself, bro. If “cold facts” don’t convey the greatness of Dionne and the Kings in ‘77, then how do they convey the lack of greatness of Ovechkin – at the age of 25, no less? I just don’t think it’s possible to lay the team blame for a loss at the feet of one player, even if he’s the leader or the most talented.
The Caps didn’t even make the playoffs in Ovi’s first two seasons. Next season they lost in seven to the Flyers; next season they lost in the second round, game seven, to the eventual champion Penguins; last season they were upset in game seven by a goalie who stopped 131 out of 134 shots over the final three games of the series. Ovechkin figured in two of those three goals (he scored in game five and assisted in game seven). Overall he has 20 goals and 20 assists in 28 total playoff games.
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yeah he is slumping but I am not writing him off.
I wouldnt be surprised to see him still get 35 G this season, bad for him but I wish we had a 35 goal scorer who was having a bad year.
I don’t think he is washed up, but could be wrong. there have been guys that put up big numbers for 4-5 years and then tank
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by Rickfansince76 on Dec 23, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Other trade posts
good post, now we just need one for Wiz and Moulson – our two other “most likely to be traded at the deadline” candidates.
personally i would like to see both kept and resigned, but if we’re playing “what-if”, then lets see what the community thinks we could get for them.
Something is going on today.
Rick is sitting out being cautious.
Nathan Lawson starting tonight.
Why not Roloson???
Doesnt make sense.
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If Roli was hurt they would have announced it like DP
Lawson played part of last night after Mikko got pulled so it is really strange to give him a start. Roloson practiced this morning so he isn’t sick with the flu or anything like that. Considering his name has come up in trade talks around the blogosphere for the last couple weeks it seems to be a good assumption until we get more info.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Maybe something's going on
But my first thought was that Lawson will be needed later this season (whether by DP setback or Roloson dumping), so get him a quick audition before the holidays.
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My guess
A trade was being discussed, but did not go through prior to the deadline. Roli and Wiz for Gagne would be interesting. Isles need a veteran playmakingwinger for JT, but I would like to keep Wiz to maybe get a second first rounder out of Columbus.
I'd take laich for him. Not sure if they'd do it, but I would definitely.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
seconded
I like Laich a lot, I think he’d work well for the Isles.
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Even if it took more to get him
Laich would be worth it. The ideal player for the Isles. Get him a three year deal and Lee should be ready to take his place by the time the deal ends.
He seems like he could fit in a number of spots.
I know you want him with JT, but I could dream him being an important part of Nielsen’s shutdown line. Something like Laich/Nielsen and Joensuu/grabner/martin/your-pick here.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
The bigger need is for a winger for JT
He needs someone to get the puck to him and to watch his back.
Only way............
We get something good for Rollie, is that he plays a lot and plays very well. With the current Isles’ situation that most likely doesn’t mean wins. its the goalie statistics weighted for the very high # of goals this team allows. I disagree with others that predict that they will sit Rollie a lot and play DP with an occasional experiment in G from Bridge. I believe they will rest a possibly hurt DP and play Rollie a lot with some fill-ins from Bridge.
Didn't we go through this last year?
If he moves at all, he’s not bringing back anything but a shitty pick.
Happy to be wrong.
last year he had another year on his deal
and Garth probably couldn’t afford to let him go. If DP, Lawson, and Poulin can play, and Roli is about to be a UFA, he is more appealing and more expendable. If all another team is offering is a late round pick, then keep him. I suspect that more may be offered though.
See Biron, Martin.
Last year you were predicting with certainty that he would be gone and for a good haul.
check Biron, Martin stats vs Roloson, Dwayne stats
as I said, if another team won’t offer something decent, keep him. I suspect that Garth will be able to work out a decent deal for Roli however.
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1979-80
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
