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Why revenue sharing might help the Islanders less than you think

The Isles will need to get more young fans hooked on hockey.

To his credit, when beating his tired anti-league, pro-union, save-the-Isles-even-though-they-don't-deserve-it drum, Larry Brooks has repeatedly noted that the Islanders, by CBA law, do not benefit from revenue sharing that most teams in their low-revenue situation would. As with the Anaheim Ducks and Los Angeles Kings, the size of their media market precludes revenue sharing even if the franchises themselves have been on low-revenue footing that might demand it. (Of course, market size/potential is what got the Isles a cable TV deal that pays them somewhere around $20 million annually according to most estimates.)

It certainly would be nice if the Islanders weren't excluded by market size. But even if the Islanders were eligible today, they'd not be "eligible" for what you might think. Their attendance simply doesn't measure up. The CBA says so.

Star-divide

The thinking is that the Islanders, who suffer from a number of peripheral issues that limit their revenue potential -- much due to the arena, much due to the scars of '90s ownership, and much self-inflicted -- are in a lot of ways a small-market team that should be aided by the league's revenue sharing, which the league in its wonderful legalese calls "Player Compensation Cost Redistribution System." In one of Brooks's columns on the matter, before the NHLPA ousted yet another leader, then-union head Paul Kelly even said the union would support a change to the system.

Would the big-market owners share that support? (By the way, I'm not sure how many people realize just how top-heavy this league is, revenue-wise. Over the past several years according to Forbes -- whose numbers are always refuted by the powers who won't...provide better numbers -- this league has about 4-5 massive haves, and then a bunch of have-nots.)

On the bright side, Chris Botta at Islanders Point Blank got league deputy Bill Daly to acknowledge [video at IPB there] [text summary at NYT here] the possibility of changing which teams are eligible in the next CBA. Yet for the Islanders to get a full share, the league would need to change the attendance requirement too. Because right now, and for the past several years, the Islanders' attendance isn't cutting it.

From article 49.3 (d) of the CBA:

(i) Beginning in the third League Year of this Agreement (the 2007-08 League Year), the eligibility of Clubs for a "full share" Distribution shall be conditioned on Club revenue performance standards, as follows:

(A) After the 2006-07 League Year, any Club that would not qualify for a "full share" Distribution based on the Club revenue performance standards applicable in the 2007-08 League Year will be notified by the NHL of such fact, and areas of potential improvement will be identified.

(B) In the 2007-08 League Year, only those Clubs meeting the following criteria shall be eligible for a "full share" Distribution:

  • (1) The Club is generating a year-to-year revenue growth rate in excess of the League average revenue growth rate (i.e., the Club's revenue growth rate from 2006-07 to 2007-08 is greater than the League average revenue growth rate from 2006-07 to 2007-08); and
  • (2) The Club is averaging paid attendance at or exceeding a level that is the lesser of either 13,125 per game (seventy-five (75) percent of 17,500) or the average League-wide paid attendance.

We can't begin to speculate on revenues, other than it's widely reported (and, I think, believed) that the Islanders currently lose money. But the Islanders 2006-07 attendance -- a playoff year -- according to ESPN was 12,886. (Which for the short of memory was above only the Blackhawks and the Blues -- two teams that are drawing packed houses today.) So the Isles -- and Blues and big-market Blackhawks -- wouldn't have qualified for full revenue sharing even if it were allowed.

(C) Beginning in the 2008-09 League Year, and for all subsequent League Years, only those Clubs meeting the following criteria shall be eligible for a "full share" Distribution:

  • (1) The Club is generating a year-to-year revenue growth rate in excess of the League average revenue growth rate (i.e., the Club's revenue growth rate from the previous League Year to the current League Year is greater than the League average revenue growth rate from the previous League Year to the current League Year); and
  • (2) The Club is averaging paid attendance at or exceeding a level that is the lesser of either 14,000 per game (eighty (80) percent of 17,500) or the average League-wide paid attendance.

Again, we can't get into revenues, but the Islanders' attendance in 2007-08 was listed as 13,640. League average attendance that year was reported at 17,265. Eighty percent of that is 13,812, which is higher than the Isles reported average.

(ii) For Clubs that do not meet the criteria for a "full share" Distribution as set forth in subsection (d)(i) during the 2007-08 League Year, or any subsequent League Year, such Clubs shall be subject to Distribution "reductions" as set forth below:

  • (A) First time "non-performers" (i.e., Clubs that do not meet the performance standards set forth above for the first time) shall have the amount of their Distribution reduced to a seventy-five (75) percent share of the full amount.
  • (B) Repeat, sequential "non-performers" that do not meet the performance standards in two (2) consecutive years shall have the amount of their Distribution reduced to a sixty (60) percent share of the full amount.
  • (C) Repeat, sequential "non-performers" that do not meet the performance standards in three (3) consecutive years shall have the amount of their Distribution reduced to a fifty (50) percent share of the full amount.

How Much Money is at Stake? A Mark Streit or Two

Bottom line: Even if the Islanders could get revenue sharing in the current CBA, their share would be at most 50 percent of their potential purse if you just slapped current standards on them. And how much money is that? Reports are wide and unverified by the league, but depending on whether their share were cut to 75, 60, or 50 percent, we're talking something like receiving $4-8 million instead of a full $8-16 million.

ESPN right now has the Islanders attendance at 10,475 per game in 2010-11. (I'm going to leave the usual attendance skepticism aside here since even that reported figure falls well short of the standard.)

Now, attendance for most U.S. teams usually increases as the year goes on. And obviously the team's poor record and new playoff drought is affecting things -- as is, most fans would tell you, a surprising ticket price hike and parking fee hike this season. And perhaps if the Islanders were even allowed to be eligible for revenue sharing in the CBA, they might approach their pricing structure differently to help meet attendance thresholds. (But remember, there is also the revenue growth standard that teams need to meet.)

So if the Islanders and their advocates are able to negotiate a way for big-market, small-revenue teams to have revenue sharing eligibility in the next CBA, that's good news for them. But unless the rich owners are feeling so exceptionally altruistic as to change the market rules and the performance standards, the Isles would still need major attendance growth they haven't seen in a decade.

To get that, well ... you know the drill: Better performance, new arena, etc. It's a tough chicken-or-egg cycle to break out of.

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You da Man Dom....YOU DA MAN

FB4Real
"Past performance Is Not A Guarantee For Future Results"

by FB4Real on Dec 17, 2010 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

Jimmy D covered this in The Road to Hockeytown

He said the Isles’ attendance will recover once they start to win…he may have also mentioned getting a new arena. Move to Queens and start to win. The fans will come.

by BCISLEMAN on Dec 17, 2010 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

The problem with these attendance numbers goes back to NVMC itself.

If the Islanders sold out every single one of their 41 regular season games, the could never get out of the bottom third of the league in attendance. It is mathematically impossible because of the size of NVMC.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 17, 2010 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

It’s never about base attendance though, it’s all about the Suites, which NVMC is sorely lacking.

"Dom – for the love of all things Islander – STOP COMMUNITY PROJECTING!." - mikb
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Dec 17, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true, but

I was referring to the stipulations regarding the Isles having “average” attendance. They cannot possibly reach average attendance in numbers, even if their attendance was 100%.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 17, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember when a 16,000-seat arena was considered substantial

Some of the super arenas that were built recently really shouldn’t have their upper-decks count in the attendance. The fans up there probably need to watch TV sets to see what’s going on, or at the least use binoculars.

If having “only” a 16,000-seat arena is a crime, I don’t want the Isles to be right. The league should simply alter the above language in the next CBA.

Insert obligatory JPinVA quote here!

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Dec 17, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

ahhh, I was thinking more along the lines of them being profitable/not being profitable even with a sold out house every night.

"Dom – for the love of all things Islander – STOP COMMUNITY PROJECTING!." - mikb
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by Mark D on Dec 18, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

NVMC doesn't keep them from hitting 14,000 though

In the make-believe world where the Isles aren’t excluded from revenue sharing, NVMC has enough capacity to reach 14,000, which is all that’s needed.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo...not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 18, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

For the Isles, 14K is over 85% capacity. To hit that as an average would be very, very good attendance.
Other teams raise their averages because they can sell so many more tickets to certain big games. The Isles have fewer tickets to work with.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 18, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, I see what you're saying

Yes, the inability to goose the average with big games hurts.

The building and all the other crap makes it hard to figure what their real potential attendance is.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo...not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 19, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Wondering if they'd go for 80 percent though

80% of ~16k is 12,800…wonder if the owners would stomach that as an acceptable minimum average.

Lighthouse Hockey: No Streit, no Okposo...not that we particularly care.

by Dominik on Dec 19, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The Islanders average ticket price is 12th in the league

If they had CBA money riding on it they would cut prices to increase attendence. It wouldn’t help this year because things are so bad on ice but in an average year I think a significant price cut would put us above those numbers.

You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?

by Anarcurt on Dec 17, 2010 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

Player Compensation Cost Redistribution System.

PCCRS-Interesting acronym

Either way, I agree with anacurt. Drop prices through the floor, shuttle people in from train stations in luxury buses with drinks and TVs, and you will fill the arena while not increasing your ticket revenue. Also win…winning would work too.

"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA

by Keith Quinn on Dec 17, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

Worried

I always try to stay positive about the Isles’ situation, but with Wang going silent, I got really worried when I saw the price hikes. It’s like he’s trying to get less people to go. Like it’s part of some plan to make it easier to move in a few years (a la Major League).

Coming out with cheap ticket offers via e-mail and other means at first allayed my fears, but now that I think about it, they could simply be doing that to say “you see? Even when we give them deep discounts, they don’t come to the games!”

Of course, it might be a part of posturing for a new building right where they are now. But it might be for a new arena anywhere.

Sorry, I went off topic. But those empty seats gnaw on me, so this stuff’s constantly on my mind.

Insert obligatory JPinVA quote here!

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Dec 17, 2010 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

i share your ...

cynicism, skepticism , suspiscions. at times it seems like the owner is doing exactly what someone would do to subvert his own viability to make getting outta here less traumatic.
it’s hard for me not to think that way. i wish i didn’t, but at least i’m not the only one.

by dose on Dec 18, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

what someone would do to subvert his own viability to ...

make getting outta here less traumatic.

and more inevitable.

by dose on Dec 18, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

What is going on in that picture?

by Alex Kinkead on Dec 18, 2010 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

Ice cream is delicious

"Dom – for the love of all things Islander – STOP COMMUNITY PROJECTING!." - mikb
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Dec 18, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope,

the problem goes way deeper than that. She has had a very deprived childhood, her parents never let her have a cupcake. She took one bite of her Islander cupcake and went into what my wife calls Sugar-Crack-Mode. When last seen, the little girl was dragging her mother through the concourse at 30 MPH looking for the cupcake lady.

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by burpchelischili on Dec 18, 2010 6:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Ted Danson's Kid?

Apparently he never learned his lesson?

"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA

by Keith Quinn on Dec 18, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Dude, that one came out of the blue. Which makes it even funnier.

Insert obligatory JPinVA quote here!

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Dec 18, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

They move to queens or Brooklyn and put on a show like they did against the ducks the other night

And winning or losing they will win many new yorkers over. They’ll be what the dodgers were in the fifties. Hard working everyday mans team

by Torch7 on Dec 18, 2010 11:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

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