Jon Sim recalled
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Weird it isn't on the isles site yet.
Does anyone need to be sent down now before next game?
Go isles or Go home.
We aren’t playing the Flyers again for about a month, I’ll give you one guess.
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Gillies will sit, but he's not going anywhere.
I’d rather not see Gillies pass through waivers… especially re-entry waivers. Unlike most people who think management fears losing RDP to Re-entry waivers, that has to be a management DREAM. Losing Gillies… then paying half his salary to be used inside the division … that is not a pleasant thought.
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I'd not worry about that at all
First of all, I don’t think he’d be claimed by anyone, but even if he was, I’d not care too much. I’m sure Trevor is a great guy and I know your daughter loves him (great job representing the Isles’ colors behind Carolina’s bench, by the way!), but I honestly struggle to see how he adds value to the team. I know he’s a great presence on the bench, etc., but really, there’s just not many guys ready to fight him out there anymore.
That said, I’m fine with him staying up with the team for now, as they have room anyway. What I don’t get is how they went the “goon” route with their 4th line this season, when the team is in need of defensively solid forwards badly. There’s exactly one defensively good forward on the team right now and a couple others who are reliable generally plus perhaps another couple who should do just fine normally. But everyone else is vulnerable and it’s no surprise you pay for this. But yeah, that’s of course not Gillies’ fault and as you anyway can’t fix that anymore, I’m fine with him staying a little longer.
By the way, not sure if Sim will be right back in the line-up. Remember PA was a healthy scratch, too, last weekend, and they could bring him back in to replace Gillies. I think if Sim was planned to be back in immediately, they’d have called him up earlier (Sunday) to have him around for the practice session yesterday, etc.
Gillies
I think he should play every game and a lot more than he does at present. We’ve already lost 7 in a row what is there to lose? It’s not like Comeau, or Bailey, or Schremp are playing that much better LOL.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
Konopka
HE is the one who saw a Dr the other day, thats what I presume it is.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 9, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
They have room
Just six healthy D-men. Plus 14 forwards + 2 goalies and you’re still at 22 even if Jurcina comes back.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
It's been 5 hours...
…and still, not one “This is the key to solving the losing streak” quip?
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
well maybe well get lucky
and hell finally find his scoring touch in the NHL
its amazing how black and white the difference between him in the A and in the big league
Bailey for captain NOW!
He did score more goals himself in the A
then the whole Islanders club combined in that time.
The kids are more than alright.
Sim
Has been known to go on scoring streaks just like the one he’s been on in the AHL. Maybe his physical presence will pump up Bailey and Schremp and Comeau and they will play better than they have been of late.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
Pfft, Parenteau Screw Job time!
Sim is good at one thing: drawing penalties. Last year he was solid enough on the ice to make this worthwhile.
This year he’s been beyond awful.
PAP
Is a waste of space during 5 on 5. The only time he helps the team is on the PP and we are just not good enough at this point to carry a PP specialist who handicaps the team at even strength.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
Counterpoint
Garik16 disagrees and outlines why here.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
Uhhh are you talking about doug weight?
Cuz that description fits him perfectly. (Not that he was always this way, but well…he’s no longer young)
I have a question regarding Corsi
Does anyone adjust corsi based on shooting percentage? Scoring chances and shots are great obviously, but finishing is better. My thought is corsi (per game or by quality of teammate), relative to overall shooting percentage (season), relative to actual goals in a given game may yield something better. Corsi doesn’t account for where shots are coming from right (bad angle, from point etc). Just like zon possession won’t show you that of 15 minutes of offensive zone possession was Pat Flatley kicking the puck along the wall for five minutes.
I’m not ripping your Corsi thing garik, this is a serious question. I would think that if your corsi numbers vs goals scored would tell you more of quality of shift. If you have significant scoring chances/shots in a given scenario (which is high corsi right?) but you are scoring significantly under your shooting percentage maybe your shifts suck, you don’t gel with linemates or ran into a hot goalie???
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 10, 2010 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Check behindthenet.com's FAQs for good information but:
You’re correct, Corsi doesn’t adjust for shot quality, it’s mainly meant to show the shot discrepancy and when that player is on the ice, which team likely is in control.
What you want is scoring chances. And the NHL tracks scoring chances. Unfortunately….it doesn’t release this data to the public.
There are a bunch of teams now that have fans watching every game and tallying up scoring chances for and against and who’s on the ice. This would be most ideal for what you’re talking about, but the Isles are not one of the teams with these fans.
The Rangers, Panthers, and Oilers have fans doing this as well as at least a few others who I’m forgetting, you can see an example here .
Without, the closest we can get is shot distance, which is available on behindthenet.ca (Find the Isles’ #s here:). Of course, this doesn’t tell us opponent shot distance (so we only have offensive capability, not defensive).
With shot distance, the lower the distance to the goal, the higher likelihood of a shot going in. Thus it shouldn’t surprise you to see Moulson, Tavares, and Grabner taking the closest shots (okay maybe grabner’s a surprise) on 5 on 5, which makes sense as they’re the guys with 7 out of 16 Isles even strength goals.
NOTE: IF WE HAD SCORING CHANCE DATA (Which we don’t), and were using a +/- of scoring chances, a player with a good +/- scoring chances who wasn’t getting many goals would be most likely facing bad luck, and nothing more, with the most likely result being that goalies were simply standing on their head. That wouldn’t say anything negative about the player.
“NOTE: IF WE HAD SCORING CHANCE DATA (Which we don’t), and were using a +/- of scoring chances, a player with a good +/- scoring chances who wasn’t getting many goals would be most likely facing bad luck, and nothing more, with the most likely result being that goalies were simply standing on their head. That wouldn’t say anything negative about the player.”
Blockquoting not working!
I think my point on this would be to compare it relative to other linemates…It may tell their value more. For example, let’s say Parenteau has consistent “scoring chances” from the dame spot on the ice, but more goals when he plays with Martin, we may be able to assume that is becasue Martin is a “good fit” or screens the goalie or pulls others (defenders) out of position…or bad luck!
Either way, I’m sure “scoring chances” is a pretty subjective stat also (relative to that player or position on ice? relative to this goalies glove hand vs that player’s slap shot".
I’m not sure Einstein and Hawking over 20 years with a truck full of meth can 100% quantify hockey, but the debate and tracking is always fun!
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 10, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed it's slightly subjective
But one would imagine it would remove the opportunities that have almost 0 chance of going in while restoring to our data the shots (even missed or blocked ones) that have a chance of going in.
I think my point on this would be to compare it relative to other linemates…It may tell their value more. For example, let’s say Parenteau has consistent "scoring chances" from the dame spot on the ice, but more goals when he plays with Martin, we may be able to assume that is becasue Martin is a "good fit" or screens the goalie or pulls others (defenders) out of position…or bad luck!
Yeah, see that’s the thing, it’s more likely to be “bad luck” unless we see that one player in particular is really bad at finishing scoring chances (possible, but hard to get a large enough statistical sampling).
Minor nitpick, i wouldn’t argue the goal is to 100% quantify anything, but rather to better understand what makes players great and thus use that knowledge to determine who really are the better players on each team. You can’t quanitfy 100% of anything (there’s always intangibles), really.
even-strength scoring chances...
…from the 6 games tracked thus far (twice Canadiens, Leafs, Capitals, Panthers, Rangers).
4 Eaton 22 29
7 Hunter 17 12
8 Gervais 2 3
10 Mottau 23 32
12 Bailey 21 16
14 Gillies 0 3
15 Parenteau 18 17
16 Sim 7 17
17 Martin 11 8
20 Wisniewski 19 31
24 Martinek 19 33
25 Niederreiter 7 29
26 Moulson 23 35
27 Jurcina 28 21
28 Konopka 11 14
38 Hillen 18 13
40 Grabner 6 18
47 MacDonald 7 15
51 Nielsen 16 15
57 Comeau 31 20
91 Tavares 20 22
93 Weight 16 32
Thanks Ben, are you keeping an excel spreadsheet or something where you compile these?
Also, did Nino really have himself outchanced 29-7 while on the ice at even strength? Thats ridiculous (and he even wasnt on the team during this losing streak!)
PAP comes off well.
Of course, once again, terrible sample size. Any chance we can get someone with enough time to start recording Isles games?
Yep, exactly, I have these numbers in an excel sheet and hope we’ll get to see some interesting stuff there later in the season when the sample will be a bit bigger.
Yeah, Nino has been outchanced 7-29. He played in 5 of them (all but the home game against Montreal, which was game #10 and the latest tracked to this point).
I don’t know – not me ;-)
Honestly, I’m anyway not quite sure how much value these numbers add to other advanced stats, such as Corsi. Certainly a bit on certain angles – very impressive for example how well Nielsen limits chances. But generally, Corsi is relatively close anyway and I sometimes feel we at least know for sure there which events are counted, whereas with scoring chances you sometimes wonder whether certain situations (2-on-1 without getting a shot off) are included or not.
It's clearly a subjective stat, for sure.
But we’re better off having it than not having it. (And I’d rather the NHL tally these rather than takeaways or giveaways, which are ENTIRELY USELESS).
by garik16 on Nov 10, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
n takeaways or giveaways, which are ENTIRELY USELESS).
Maybe not entirely, but I agree they are mostly useless. The thing is that people treat them like they are a stat that matters BECAUSE the NHL tallies them… thats the trip.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 10, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
You misunderstand
They’re totally useless because of how they’re tallied. Each scorer in each home arena tallies them differently, with home biases that are different throughout. It makes them completely useless, since there’s zero consistency.
To add tiny bit more
You can’t just simply supplement corsi with goals scored for and against (+/- or Relative +/-,) because the amount of outside influence in that stat (as seen by Okposo last year), especially in less than a 1/4 of the season, is really high…
In other words, if a player has a positive Corsi but a negative +/-, like Kyle Okposo last year, we CANNOT tell whether that’s because he’s resulting in more opposing scoring chances, or just because of a run of awful goaltending when that player is on the ice.
Not to go into a major post argument again, but these things stated above are why luck, team circumstances, linemates, and other intangibles all have an impact on corsi stats. And that's why I don't fully trust them. That's all. Sure I think they help
…at times, but I don’t consider them as something to base an argument off of or make a roster move dependent on. Corsi is still a calculated stat no matter what way you look at it and it has it’s weaknesses/fallabilities. That’s all.
Go isles or Go home.
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