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Islanders Gameday: In Flyers rematch, some streak's gonna end

A five-game winning streak meets a six-game losing streak. A team putting up 3.15 goals per game meets a team conceding 3.62. A team outshooting opponents 31.3 to 26.4 visits a team being outshot 29.2 to 28.8. (Okay, that's parsing a bit.) At least no matter what happens tonight, the Islanders cannot fall into the basement after New Jersey and Edmonton lost last night. So there's that.

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The Flyers, on the other hand, could climb to the league's penthouse with a win. They're rolling utterly and completely, and losing Danny Briere's stick and all of its applications hasn't hurt a bit.

Star-divide

Speaking of Briere -- and hopefully I needn't bring up Brave Sir Danny Ran Away, Away again in a while -- it was fun to hear Scott Gordon, who's normally diplomatic, just call the shenanigans part of last week like it was:

"He got called on that [crosscheck] but he had two others in the game -- one on (Trent) Hunter and one on (Trevor) Gillies," Gordon told Newsday. "Gillies gets six minutes, Hunter gets five and (a game misconduct), and here's a guy that thinks he just has free reign to cross-check people in the back, the shoulder, the head. I think it's well-deserved."

As far as the physical stuff and vengeance and what-not, Zenon Konopka spoke to Chris Botta about how he handles all that and Trevor Gillies told Katie Strang that telling an opponent you won't take their B.S. is a message delivered all season long, not just one game. And when Big, Bad, Scary Frans Nielsen and his 172+ lbs. and 24 career PIMs are "threatening" you, my goodness, time to take up arms.

But of course another reality was made painfully clear in last week's 6-1 slaughter: It doesn't matter that you came physically prepared to not accept cheapshots and Carcillo-like liberties, if you don't have the other more important components of your game (i.e. goaltending, defense, a competent transition game, finishing). Fans like to focus on the physical side, the intimidation and the stand-up-for-yourself angle particularly with the Flyers given their history and current roster, but it doesn't mean squat if the rest of your game isn't there.

Talent-wise this Atlantic battle is still a serious mismatch -- so the rest of your game better be there and in rare form.

 

Needs and Wishes

  • The defense, as a whole, is limited by depth and injury; there's no escaping that. But the players who are here occupying bigger roles than they're accustomed to must play mistake-free. James Wisniewski can be better. Mike Mottau can and must be better. Bruno Gervais and Jack Hillen can too, though one wonders if it can happen together.
  • People were talking about Josh Bailey and Blake Comeau proving their top six credentials in the opening weeks of the season. They haven't been backing that up the last week, and they need to do so and give John Tavares some help.
  • This team shouldn't be as bad 5-on-5 as it's been so far, but they'll still be special teams-dependent. After completely squandering an early five-minute powerplay in Ottawa, that unit better be prepared to deliver whenever opportunity arises, no matter how early.
  • Despite Dwayne Roloson's short-side softy and a stoppable screen shot in Ottawa, I'd still hope he gets the nod today. They can save Rick DiPietro's next trial for the West Coast trip, when the games happen in the anonymity of late night.
  • Rob Schremp's been back a couple of games now and didn't look to my eyes that he lacked in the legs department. They could use production from him right now, and doing so with the team in need would be the right way to kick off his next contract campaign (even if it's not a contract here).
  • Lines: With no one looking spectacular in the last game, but everyone at least being better than the two blowouts, does Gordon continue to juggle lines?
  • Significance: However bad the mismatch with these two teams' talent and form of late, it is so abundantly clear that nabbing a home win against a hated rival right before another extended road trip would do wonders for this team.

Notes

Aside from Briere being out to complete his suspension, the most noticeable change from the last meeting is the ever up now, down later Nikolay Zherdev is on one of his "feels like playing" upswings. When bothering to bother, we know he can be dangerous. We'll see if he provides another actual weapon for the Flyers or just a theoretical one.

Game thread tonight. Mikb's fun with bad sports broadcasts earlier. First Islanders Goal (FIG) either in that game thread or here if you won't make it.

Closing thought: Gillies says "Let's Go!" (h/t Quin who created it):

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The Hillen/Gervais Pairing

Why is this a pairing at all? When I saw it at the Philly game I figured it was just because Gordon wanted to get them out there and get them ice time in a blowout. Hillen might be able to handle himself, but Gervais needs someone to hold his hand.

It’s kind of funny how both Campoli and Gervais have crashed and burned since Campoli’s trade. Although don’t tell “I deserve big money” Campoli that.

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by Mark D on Nov 6, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

At the Ottawa game...

Hillen and Gervais to me looked a lot better and more comfortable with each other. That pairing IMO outplayed the more experienced and supposedly better pairing of Eaton and Mottau.

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Nov 6, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not surprised, I don’t like the idea of pairing Eaton/Mottau. Both older slower guys.

Also Eaton has played nearly 70% of his shifts with Martinek. And Mottau’s been out 55% of the time with Wiz. I like both of those pairings a lot better.

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by Mark D on Nov 7, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Gervais played better than Hillen last game.

by Hakker on Nov 6, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

And I don’t like the pairing.

by Hakker on Nov 6, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me neither

Almost like a sneak-em-out-quick-and-get-off pairing.

But a sign of the state of things: Besides Martinek, does any healthy guy have a record of success when not paired with much better defenseman?

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by Dominik on Nov 6, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

All depends on who eaton was paired with most of his career/lately in pittsburgh.

Everyone else is obviously a no. ALL other d-men were paired with better/good d-guys when they put up solid #’s.

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Nov 6, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hillen was benched most of the game

8 minutes on the ice

The kids are more than alright.

by Anarcurt on Nov 6, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tavares 9:30

Go find yourself an open door.

by The Black Map on Nov 6, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't know if i'll be around so

RSH @ 6:30

The kids are more than alright.

by Anarcurt on Nov 6, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

He might be the healthy scratch

Can I change it to Weight @ 6:30

The kids are more than alright.

by Anarcurt on Nov 6, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grabner...Shorty...12:30

Doug Weight in the box for interference…

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by JPinVA on Nov 6, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wizzer 6:20

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Nov 6, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bailey 12:12

Im going to the game now! Yay!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice. Wish I could go too.

But I gotta work. Gotta feed my kids. But I will be following along, as usual, at LHH.

For first (Islanders) goal, I’m going with…. Moulson, at 4:00 in the second period.

This is not 'Nam, Smokey. This is hockey. There are rules.

by cunch punch on Nov 6, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've never adhered to the ...

“change for the sake of change” concept.
until now.
i’m not as knowledgeable of the technical aspects of the game as many other posters – who i presume actually play or have played organized hockey. all the talk about corsi figures and what a guy did with 14 seconds on the power play as compared to what another guy did with 38 seconds is somewhat beyond me i guess. one of the things i liked about ted nolan was the simplicity with which he saw the game – the hockey equivilent of the baseball axiom ‘see the ball, hit the ball.’ flawed as he may be or have been, i will always believe that given even respectable talent to work with, he would have had this team contending. all that said, i know what i see. and the last 6 games i’ve seen tell me a big change is needed. this game is in a state of relative parity now. it’s pretty hard to lose 6 games in a row. but more than that, each loss seems to have been worse than the one before. it’s the old snowball rolling down the hill right before our eyes. i hope something is done to get in its way, and now. otherwise, going to games and even watching them is gonna seem like a waste of time and emotion. again.

by dose on Nov 6, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think you're that far off...

But I don’t think Snow has lost confidence in Gordon just yet. When they hit the ice tonight and there are 7K Islander fans in the building and 3-4K Philly fans… it’s just gonna suck.
I said if they were out of it by the holidays Gordon’s season would be over. I still believe that. Capuano (or one of the assistants) will most likely take over and the search will begin soon after. Bridgeport should have a solid talent base, and they are playing the same way… so maybe the “system”, “philosophy” or “style” just aren’t what this team needs.
We really can’t waste another year if gordon can’t at least keep them competetive. I’ve never been more than luke warm on Gordon… but I’m willing to hold out till Thanksgiving… the Isles are basically 4-9 right now… if they don’t gain 3 games on .500 by the time the turkey comes out of the oven Gordon reaches lame duck status and they need to change course.
Hell… much better (with better records) teams have changed coaches mid-year… and have had success… how hard would it be to improve on 4-9 with a roster that includes a pretty good young nucleus. Sure, injuries and goaltending are a big factor, but not when the team has consistently played like zombies for 40 minutes.
Wouldn’t it be cool if Nolan came back… hey Carolina got Maurice back without shame. Prolly not going to happen… I think Wally backman is available as well.

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by JPinVA on Nov 6, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is partly the team gordon is given too.

Not to go crazy on the whole “this was expected” “we lack a lot of talent and have major injury problems”, but I just wanted to point out how inexperienced and possibly low-talent we are.

7(comeau, gillies, grabner, martin, parenteau, schremp, macdonald, ) of our starting players right now started in the ahl at the beginning of the season last year. And to add to that, 5(hillen, moulson, konopka, wisniewski, tavares-an exception though,) more players not on that list started in the ahl/juniors 2 years ago. Not saying all were deservedly so in the minors or that they don’t deserve a shot, but when you have a roster that is ~50% full of guys who are now 1yr wonders or experiments that you truly have no idea what they are capable of, then you are playing with fire and shouldn’t have high expectations. Just want to put that out there. You can’t expect a lot of from players that have no substantial past of solid nhl performance. And if you want to go further, the amount of players on this roster with less then 240gms(~3yrs) nhl experience is over 60%.

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Nov 6, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Nolan came back...

Does that mean we’d have to bring Chris Simon back with him? Not that I would mind, Simon was a good player until he went insane LOL.

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Nov 6, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he got thrown out of

The Federal League???

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 6, 2010 4:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nope, but he is captaining Vityaz Chekhov in the KHL, putting up a stellar 96 PIMs in 16 games, to go with his 263 in 40 games two years ago with Chekhov. While that amount is almost jaw dropping, it’s not as bad as Brandon Sugden’s 94 in 3 games.

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by David Hanssen on Nov 6, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s crazier is they made him captain.

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by David Hanssen on Nov 6, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

I admit my Simon fandom.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 7, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

How is 94 min in 3 games even accomplished?

You would almost need a murder charge to log that! That’s 31 min per game!

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 7, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

For me the context is: "What are the alternatives?"

I had a more-thought-out reply than the following but it disappeared. But suffice to say I don’t think Snow will make a change barring epic continued disaster (i.e. more than a six-game slide).

Regardless, I don’t like the idea of saddling your next coach with this situation at this point in the season: “Here, take this poo-poo roster missing its best parts and turn it around…or deal with an ugly 65-game start to your tenure.” A good team that’s underachieving can make an early-season change; a weak team that’s playing even weaker is just setting your next coach up for disaster unless you do it later in the season when it’s clear everyone is playing for pride and evaluation. In other words, with this roster I don’t think there is a better long-term alternative…yet.

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by Dominik on Nov 6, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Not the right time.

I’d consider it could be somewhat of a coaching problem, but when I look at the roster and see where most guys on the roster are in their career’s, it sort of makes senses that this could happen given the injuries. I was considering it could be the coaching problem when I saw(forgot who) someone post Gordon’s career road win/loss record with the isles. That is just pathetic. I’m not sure our home crowd is that good to justify that, but if these road problems continue throughout the season as they have in gordon’s past, I might very well be on the fire gordon train at the end of the year and bring in someone fresh.

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Nov 6, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going to the game! My dad's friend works for some business that the isles give him front row season tix for and he can't make the game today

so my dad bought them from him at a much discounted price. I think it’s where the isles defend twice along the boards. Can’t wait to see these 2 pissed off teams go at each other. How many fights you wanna bet carcillo and konopka have against each other? I’d go with 2, and I’d say that would be the over under for tonight and them. lol.

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Nov 6, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Unfortunately that doesn't inspire much confidence in me.

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Nov 6, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better then DP, but last game he showed he is no top 10 goalie. Still likely the best we have on the ahl/nhl roster for now.

But given how the team has been playing altogether lately, I’m not sure it will even matter who’s in net.

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Nov 6, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't take credit for the Gillies gif

I poached it from google images. But I do love it as a gameday rallying cry! I wish he was wearing the current jersey though…god that thing gets uglier every time I see it.

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 6, 2010 12:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Smudge (my daughter) really appreciates it...

But we can’t figure out hot to get the whole .gif downloaded

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by JPinVA on Nov 6, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is the google search page

http://www.google.com/m/search?site=images&source=mog&hl=en&gl=us&client=safari&q=gillies%20gif

Click on the pic
When it comes up larger, right click your mouse/save image(this will save the image to your computer). The easier way may be to save to your desktop, then right click the icon and select use as wallpaper/desktop background.
Hope that helps and Smudge has a Trevortastic weekend!

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 6, 2010 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well doggoneit we’re just going to have to credit you anyway. I know I saw it once last season but I can’t remember from whom or where. Gonna be a tradition now though.

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by Dominik on Nov 6, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the 'Stache we Trust!

We need a lot of physicality tonight, let the Crashers (Flyers) know we’re not going to take their shit after last game. And there needs to be some spark from somewhere. None of the guys have looked fired up the last few games. If we get that coveted first goal I think that will do tremendous things for the confidence of the team and hopefully get us back on track.

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Nov 6, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

we need more than physicality

we need PSYCHICALITY

Bailey for captain NOW!

by Zhora on Nov 6, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed!

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Nov 6, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where the problems are:

Dom agree with your synopsis, but as you can guess, I have to mention Schremp, but not in the way you expect……..please keep reading. I just don’t think that Schremp and Grabner are really the problem or the solution right now. the Goalie situation of course is a BIG factor, but again that has been talked to death. My point is that our recent goal scoring low output like the Devils must be corrected by our big guys namely JT, Comeau, Moulson,Nielson etc , PP,Hunter, Martin are secondary, although PP sets up outside the action and does his Bossy imitation. Then our D can operate from a lead.

by altosax on Nov 6, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

It seems multilayered: This team isn’t scoring 5-on-5 and is, in fact, getting obliterated in that department. So games where the PP doesn’t click, it’s cascade of suckitude.

So I agree those big guys have to step up…whether on the PP or at EV. (Can they produce at EV with a defense that’s struggling so? Can the defense stop struggling if the forwards aren’t doing their job to help out?) On and on the cycle goes, where it stops nobody knows — but it usually takes a nice bounce or two.

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by Dominik on Nov 6, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Missing the game

I’m going to Roger waters at msg (totally gonna put some bad mojo there for the strangers). So I’ll be following you guys tonight from my phone Hopefully while I watch the Wall Roli will be the Wall
Jeez that was an awful pun

by Torch7 on Nov 6, 2010 3:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Have fun at the Wall!

I have heard nothing but fantastic things about that show. People can’t stop raving about it.

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by Dominik on Nov 6, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have fun at the show!

I saw Waters back on the In the Flesh Tour at the turn of the century (jeez that sounds like an eternity ago!) and the show was amazing! It’s the closest that anyone in North America will ever get to seeing Pink Floyd live so any chance you get should be taken!

I actually have an official Pink Floyd poster from the original The Wall tour when they played 6 shows at Nassau Coliseum. More great history for the ancient and decrepit home of the Isles.

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Nov 6, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since I'll be at this game,

I’ll try this First Islanders Goal (FIG) thingy:

Bailey @ 9:27

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by meigs1414 on Nov 6, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

it's not that i think ...

the coach must be fired necessarily. until this big step backward i was a big gordon supporter. but something about this skid is particularly damning. i can’t even say what in particular it is, other that it looks like a breakdown on all levels at once. i have a hard time seeing this stretch as simply a bump in the road on the way to respectability. that’s why i think SOMETHING needs to be done. changing coaches i guess would be the most drastic and most likely, but there are other options in terms of serious personnel changes.

by dose on Nov 6, 2010 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

1st Goal

I will be getting drunk @ a fundraising steak dinner so……

Tavares @ 3:45

by 54_Fighting on Nov 6, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

First Islanders Goal

Unfortunately, I won’t be near a TV tonight.

Please enter me for Wisniewski at 14:35 of the first.

Hmmm.... you hit my goalie's head and it's hockey. I hit your goalie's post and it's a penalty. Oooooooooooooooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy,

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 6, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

If Gordon was fired, who would be your top candidate?

I vote for emilio estevez. I hear he works wonders with young talented teams and he’s not coaching right now.

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Nov 6, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Lol.

or maybe his brother Charlie Sheen. I know he used to pitch for the Indians, so he’s got some sports experience at least. He tends to get into some trouble with the law every so often though.

This is not 'Nam, Smokey. This is hockey. There are rules.

by cunch punch on Nov 6, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol. Charlie would take some of the press off the isles with his shenanigans so he wouldn't be that bad.

I watched too much might ducks lately, that’s all.

In all reality, a PROVEN veteran coach could be the answer to our future/team needs if Gordon still downward spirals till x-mas.

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Nov 7, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.

Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.

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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.

A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.

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