Nino Niederreiter: "I don't belong there"
The Swiss newspaper 20 Minuten made an interesting interview with Nino Niederreiter.
It's in German, so I translated it for you. While I tried to be accurate, please bear in mind that English is not my first language.
Nino Niederreiter, was it hard to leave the NHL?
It was very hard to say goodbye to my newly gained friends; but I felt that it would get this far and I was not surprised by the decision to send me back to juniors.
When did you feel you would not play in the NHL this season?
After the sixth game, I realized my spot in the team was only temporary. With players like Kyle Okposo, Trent Hunter and Rob Schremp recovering from injury, it was clear to me that I would end up in the third or fourth line. A goalscorer like me doesn't belong there. A goalscorer needs linemates who can feed good passes. Even the best NHL teams don't have such players in the bottom forward lines. So I knew how my immediate future would look like.
What did you learn in nine NHL games with the New York Islanders?
I learned that in the NHL it's very difficult to get scoring chances and that you need to use the chances that you have been able to create.
What else do you need to learn to be an NHL regular?
I have to run faster, think faster and play faster. It's that simple.
Can you learn this in a junior league like the WHL?
This question is justified. Usually, you always play at your opponent's level and in the WHL the level is lower than in the NHL. Therefore, despite weaker opponents, I am seeking to play like I did in the NHL. It's the only way to grow my play.
You had a furious start in the NHL, you checked every opponent and then it got more and more quieter around you. How do you rate your performance over nine NHL games?
What you mention has to do with my development in these nine games. At the beginning of the season I had only the confidence to show my physical ability. Later my confidence grew and I trusted myself to make something with the puck. Therefore, my physical presence declined. All in all, I am satisfied with my performance. The New York Islanders drafted me because I am a goal scorer and not because I can check and hit.
What are your best memories of the past few weeks in the NHL?
Clearly the first game with the New York Islanders against the Dallas Stars. Then, of course my first goal in the NHL and the games against Montreal and Toronto in Canada were a great experience.
And what was your worst NHL experience?
Fortunately I was spared from bad experiences.
Was it the slashing by Mike Cammalleri in the preseason?
Well, maybe that was my worst experience. But I put that behind me a long time ago.
According to NHL rules your contract has not started yet. Did you still get paid for your NHL stint?
Yes, they paid my normal NHL salary for nine games and I got the signing bonus of 90'000$. I have got more than enough money for my regular life now.
So, for the first time, your parents don't have to pay anymore for your career?
Yes, they don't have to pay anymore. I'm able to finance my career on my own now.
But life in the WHL is nevertheless different than in the NHL. Do you live again with a host family?
Yes, that's a big change, on Long Island I lived in a hotel. I mean, it's nice that you have a home and someone is cooking dinner for you. But I have to be at home at 11 o'clock, which is a bit tedious.
Did you know your new Swiss teammate in Portland, Sven Bärtschi, before?
Yes, we have played together in various junior national teams and we are good friends since a while. I look forward to play the WJC in Buffalo with him.
You missed your last goal, make it in the NHL as quickly as possible. What are your new goals?
We have an extremely good team here in Portland. The chances of winning the Memorial Cup are very good. Therefore I want to play successfully with the Winter Hawks as long as possible this season. And I know that this will be my last year in juniors. I have a lot of confidence and I am optimistic, I will play in the NHL next year. Actually, I survived every roster cut the New York Islanders made during training camp. It was bad luck for me that the Islanders had so many injuries; they even had to call up a player from the AHL. These injured players overshadowed me. Next year this will not happen anymore. Next year I'll play in the NHL.
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Gotta love the confidence!
Be right Nino and be here Niño!
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 2, 2010 11:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
One way I would disagree with Nino
He was drafted to be a complete player…to be physical as well as to score. I am confident that he will make the team next year as well.
Agreed
It sounded more in the context of him trying to hit to show he belonged, but then realizing his game requires both ends and he’s not supposed to be a 3rd-line guy.
His perspective at such a young age sounds great. I’m sure that’s a credit to him, but I have to believe the coaches and maybe Weight have also communicated well with him.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.
He is a sharp kid and has responded well to mentoring all along
in Portland and I am sure on the Island as well.
His maturity is amazing
In Scott Gordon’s words: " I’m now 47 years old, but still not as mature as he is"
The quote is from a Swiss television report . It’s worth a look. It’s in German and Swiss-German, but sometimes images are worth more than words (hint: Streit without a sling)
Hee hee, yes that quote made the rounds on this side of the pond, too. Clearly Gordon and Snow have no buyer’s remorse.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.
"But I have to be at home at 11 o'clock, which is a bit tedious."
Hard to keep them down on the farm once they’ve seen…
Love the motivation level he shows though. Thanks for the translate, Francesca!
Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.
We need to give that family contracts to babysit Kabanov
Even Thomas Pock can't believe someone thinks he's an NHL talent.
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
by Mark D on Nov 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can imagine that conversation now.
Kirill: “You are saying I need to be in by 11 in the morning? That I can do.”
Host Family: “Uhhhh…”
Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.
Ha, I noticed that too. Never thought about that aspect of transitioning from NHL audition to junior billets. “Wait…curfew?! I just made more this summer than you’ll make all year!”
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.
Francesca, thanks so much
It’s in German, so I translated it for you. While I tried to be accurate, please bear in mind that English is not my first language.
You’re a saint! Rest assured your English is better than (most of) our German.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.
Really really this
However, I am wondering if this may have lost something in translation?
A goalscorer like me doesn’t belong there. A goalscorer needs linemates who can feed good passes. Even the best NHL teams don’t have such players in the bottom forward lines. So I knew how my immediate future would look like.
While we all agree with this sentiment, even as a second or first line player, whcih we all know he will be, he IS going to have to play on the same with these thrid and fourth line guys who are apparently not “guys who can give good passes” and he might have been a bit more diplomatic about this.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 3, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
too busy this week...
I’ll get back to that – it’s pretty interesting and a useful piece to learn a bit about the Swiss hockey culture, mentality in general, and how Nino indeed can benefit there from another year in the juniors in my opinion. However, Francesca’s translation is perfect – that’s really what it says there in that interview in German.
Ryan Johansen spoiled him ;-)
First a premise:
Swiss-Germans don’t speak German; they speak a Dialect that differs from region to region. This leads to a unique case: spoken and written language are not the same. A word for word transposition is not so easy and not always possible.
So, it’s an interview with Nino, but there is a chance he didn’t say exactly all the same words as written.
Of the whole interview, the sentence about the passes was the hardest to translate.
The original quote is:
“Wenn man Tore erzielen kann, braucht man die Mitspieler, die einem die Pässe dazu spielen”.
I had to reread the sentence several times before I could understand what he meant to say and I don’t know who is to blame: Nino or the journalist.
Something sounds “wrong” in the sentence. I wasn’t able to make a literal translation,so I just wrote my interpretation.
My reasoning was: He needs passes that allow him to score → good passes
As you pointed out, my word choice was not the best. With more time to think about it, I would now write: “When you can (have te skills to) score goals, you need line mates who can make passes that allow you to do so (score goals)”. It’s an odd sounding literal translation, but hey, that’s what he said!
Different words, but the essential point is still the same: a goalscorer needs line mates who can feed him the puck.
About the “diplomatic issue”:
Swiss NHL players are very careful about what they say in the US. In Switzerland? Not as much. They tend to give more sincere answers.
he IS going to have to play on the same with these thrid and fourth line guys who are apparently not "guys who can give good passes"
I’m a bit cofused: do you really think Nino will play in a line with Konopka and Hunter next year?
As Moe Sislack would say
It was more a question of the less than diplomatic choice of words. While hopefully, he will not be sharing ice time and line space with the third or fourth line, he will be sharing the locker room, Hotel room, team meals, etc., with them and to belittle and possibly antagonize the guys who wre going to hopefully be creating some space for you woulod not be, shall we say, diplomatic.
If he is going to be less diplomatic in his comments on his team to reporters in Switzerland than in North America, he should realize that these things have a way of getting out. Just ask, oh, Alexei Kovalev, or any one of the other spoiled brat Russians who got hoisted by a translated Russian interview.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 4, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno. I think hockey players are big boys and they know the role they have. The Islanders 3rd line has Nielson as center, he knows how to set up plays. I doubt anyone would read anything insulting into his remarks. When I was a kid and played sports, coaches spoke directly, and though it often wasn’t something you wanted to hear, you were better off listening and and taking the words to heart, not sulking. As we got older, other players became more confident and spoke directly as well. I never took it personal. I’m sure Zenon Konopka and Trevor Gillies aren’t taking anything Nino said up there personally either.
Just to be clear,
Nino never criticized his team on Swiss media, nor did Streit or Hiller. Don’t expect arrogance à la Kovalev. Give a sincere answer isn’t the same as trash talking.
On the other hand
It may well just be a thought that doesn’t translate well.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 4, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
and
to repeat the sentiment, thanks for the translation.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 4, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
As Francesca added, not sure who to blame more – Nino or the journalist. But it definitely smells like Swiss people talking about NHL hockey. Most of the people around hockey in Switzerland still believe the NHL consists of like 100 really good players and the rest of the guys would be inferior to Swiss players in terms of skating, shooting, passing, etc. and would be on the rosters just to hit and fight. And not many journalists manage to get away from this thinking when talking with NHL players. At the same time they love to ask suggestive questions over here in all kind of interviews and I’m pretty sure it went something like: “Nino, you played on the 3rd line, huh? No wonder you didn’t score more often – how did you feel playing with these technically limited guys?” And then the athletes, typically Swiss, trying to be polite in every situation, answer like “oh, yeah, that was tough, etc.” In this case, I’m sure Nino extended a little bit, tried to talk about the different roles there are on an NHL team and maybe added he’d envision obviously a top-6 role later in his career and finally it got all mixed up and came out as something Nino never actually wanted to tell in this way. So, blame on journalist mostly, although the interview does consist of some good work. The title is rather misleading, too, though – “I don’t belong there” doesn’t refer to “playing in the NHL right now”, but to “playing on a 3rd/4th line”. I guess most would read it as Nino feeling not being ready to play in the NHL at this point – he doesn’t say this anywhere in this interview, though. It’s really “I don’t belong to the 3rd/4th lines”.
So, after all, despite things getting mixed up, if the journalist puts that in the title, Nino must have mentioned it rather concretely at some point. That’s a bit surprising and let’s remember that Nino certainly didn’t play on a typical 3rd/4th line. He mostly played in offensive situations, with Doug Weight, who’s probably the best passer on the team and indeed made happen Nino’s two scoring points with two fantastic feeds. Grabner, Bailey, JT, Moulson were his other more frequent line mates – not exactly offensively uncapable guys, either…
However, I know that Nino highly respects Weight and didn’t mean to insult any of the 4th line players for example. But still, I’d take this as an additional example of why Nino still needs to adjust to North America. He needs to learn some stuff, also maybe get away from that “at the end I just want to be a goalscorer” talk he’s repeated so often since the draft. Even Kovalchuk, one of the best scorers in the game – and Nino’s favourite player… – seems to struggle a bit in that role of a pure goalscorer. That role just doesn’t really exist (anymore) in today’s NHL, does it? Or at least is reserved to some few generational talents and I’m not quite sure Nino “belongs there” – to use his own words…
In Switzerland, there are like 5 pure goalscorers at least on every team – not because everyone of them is highly talented, but because there’s so many guys lacking a complete game… And that’s obviously the reason why Switzerland still hasn’t produced a single NHL regular forward. Now, this is an individual thing and Nino is certainly more promising and more mature than any Swiss talent before, and a problem with his head should never get in the way of anything I guess. But we still should never forget where he’s coming from. He wasn’t born in Toronto and hasn’t played 5 years of junior hockey on a competitive level. That doesn’t mean he can’t have an excellent NHL career, but he’s got some work to do, more perhaps than any kid ever drafted as high as #5.
by BenHasna on Nov 5, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's some great context, Ben
Thanks. And this, wow!:
In Switzerland, there are like 5 pure goalscorers at least on every team – not because everyone of them is highly talented, but because there’s so many guys lacking a complete gameThat would sure change the perception of how the sport “works” in the NHL.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
That would sure change the perception of how the sport "works" in the NHL.
Indeed. And it’s really not something that exists only in the heads of some fans – or mine specifically – it shows on the highest level of Swiss hockey. I probably mentioned this before, the league for example still doesn’t track +/- stats or shots on net. I’m not saying this because I like to look into all sorts of stats and miss that personally, nor because +/- is a particular meaningful stat, but really, we’re not talking about faceoff stats or Corsi here, but about simple +/- and I don’t get how you don’t track this in a professional league. Just shows some lack of educated hockey culture in my opinion.
Or Switzerland lack of depth at center (and thus complete forwards) hugely, actually took only three centers to the Olympics last February and played with a winger centering their 4th line. Compare this to Canada who had 7 centers on their roster and beyond that about another 7 centers (Stamkos, Carter, B Richards, etc.) among the first 10 guys omitted. I’m obviously not comparing the players here, but just the fact that one country seems to develop their kids as complete players and the other not so much.
And it shows. Andres Ambühl and Roman Wick, who both played pretty well at the Olympics thanks to a great team behind them, have failed at the NHL level. But it’s not even the fact that they couldn’t earn a roster spot that’s stunned me most, it’s how they reacted. Ambühl signed with the Rangers a year ago – ok, a big mistake in the first place… – and even struggled at the AHL level. He came back this summer and thought he lacked of connections and thus had no chance to make it. I mean, really, has anyone ever made the NHL based on good connections in the organization?
Wick signed with Ottawa this summer, but was cut very early and is with Binghampton now. In an interview a week ago he talked about having suffered from the rigid systems and stuff. He was hugely surprised there are so many systems in place and thought there was no room for creativity whatsoever. Seriously, what did he expect? That’s perhaps the most competitive league in the world. And again, we’re not talking about a fan here who went over to watch some games and came home surprised by the speed of the game, it’s the best Swiss scorer who has these struggles. There might be some hope for him with the Sens not being very deep, but he definitely needs to adjust big time.
Again, Nino is more talented than any Swiss player before and certainly has been more focused to make it to the NHL than anyone. But still, in terms of hockey, it almost feels like he’s coming from a developing country and I’d just never take anything for granted with him. I’d be thrilled if he once will have a regular top-6 role on this club, but we – and him – also have to be ready to accept a lesser role.
by BenHasna on Nov 5, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ben, at some point I’m going to bug you for a separate FanPost on this whole perspective. It’s really interesting, and I think a lot of people who are expecting Nino to just walk right in would give it some thought.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
Great find and nice translating.
Good interview. Nino has the drive and understood the situation he was in when he was sent down. Very good stuff here.
Go isles or Go home.
Thanks for translanting this. Much appreciated.
Can you by any chance also translate that book on Danish hockey players? :)
Much appreciated Francesca! Excellent job!
I’d like to for somebody to make the point to Nino that they are putting him in a feeding tank… GET FAT! Use this year to DOMINATE and become the best player you can be at that level… because it is not set in stone that you will be in the NHL next year. He’ll still be 19, so he needs to prove that he’s worth the money of his NHL contract because there won’t be any AHL options for him.
I think Nino understands this… I bet a check of Portland boxscores would find him getting 22+ mins with a ton of PP and PK minutes… More than anything, learn to anticipate at the slower speeds… because I felt as I watched him that was his weakest point. It didn’t kill him… but when he really starts to see plays develop at the NHL pace he will be the shit… how do you say that in German?
Oh yeah.. Nino, don’t get discouraged… you happened to have been drafted by a young team who’s stars are maturing just in front of you… you need to be the best you can, and not worry about what happens this year and next year… you should be an Islander for a long long time.
LIGHTHOUSE HOCKEY: Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...and we can hook up online and talk about Islander hockey.
Nino is well-aware of his flaws
In a prior interview he talked about his skating. The top speed is ok, but the acceleration is only so so. He needs to work on his first 3 steps.
Last week he also talked about his muscles or lack thereof. He knows he needs to bulk up.
However, I think he should be careful with weightlifting. Bulk up too much or in the wrong way and the speed is gone…
That's great to know...
….and you’re English is terrific. You obviously weren’t educated in Philadelphia.
LIGHTHOUSE HOCKEY: Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...and we can hook up online and talk about Islander hockey.
My Swiss-envy list just got longer.
Their school system, their watches, their cheese and chocolate…their banks…
/sniffles
Oh Switzerland! Do you need an American of some infamy upon your Alps?
Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.
yes, but palm trees?
here is a slightly whack video of Chur I posted on a fanshot about Nino at draft time:
In Canton Ticino
we have a mediterranean climate, palms are very common here. The picture is of Ascona on the Lago Maggiore. I don’t live there anymore, but it’s still a place i call home.
Didn't think even the Med had palms
My grandmother came from Niederbipp near Bern. Don’t suppose you know that place?
yes, I see it on the map
and your estimate is almost exactly right as to distance. I imagine then that you have passed through Niederbipp.
Yeah, Switzerland is okay
:)
I just wish I could afford to spend more time there. Beautiful land.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.
Bottom Line
He needs to put up big numbers in WHL where 80+ points is not a huge number for a promising player heading for the NHL.
all in all I am encouraged
Considering what he did as a rookie in the WHL I would expect big numbers this season. The list of players who scored 30+ goals as a rookie in the WHL is an impressive one. On draft day this year I was leaning towards him or Brett Connolly for this reason among others. All in all I was impressed with his short stint in the NHL this year. Watching Seguin in Boston and Hall in Edmonton Nino’s early struggles where certainly shared by his other draft classmates. None hit the ice dominating opponents and have struggled especially without the puck and have tried to do to much when they have had the puck. We saw that with JT at times last season too. So I don’t think there is much to discouraged about yet.

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