Garth Snow's Immediate Goal: 'Get 2 points. Get our swagger back.'
I know interviews are generally popular, so I'll try to do them whenever I can -- it's just my schedule often prevents arranging times in advance. Example: I had the chance to talk to Islanders GM Garth Snow the day before the coaching change but couldn't get myself free. By the time we could connect again, all that had hit the fan and Snow had already made the media rounds, from the initial conference call to this interview on the Fan 590 in Toronto (which is a comprehensive listen for Snow's thoughts on that topic).
So Scott Gordon's removal came up in our conversation, but since I only had a few minutes to chat, I dug up a few general and process questions that were on my mind before the weekend news. To make this (hopefully) more worthwhile I've added some context to a few of the question and answers. I figure the blogging format invites a little flexibility and general tangent-chasing.
LHH: First, I know it's been a busy weekend, but I had a general philosophical question in mind before the coaching change: You're a GM who was recently a player. When a team is struggling like this, and different individuals aren't performing as they'd like, do you ever get involved and talk to them, or do you try to stay out of it and leave it to the coaching staff?
Snow: "I definitely talk to the players. Whether its a goaltender I talk to about how to play a particular scoring chance, or how to handle a 2-on-1 or play from the corner...or even if it's a goal scorer, I might talk to him about options on a scoring chance, and what is difficult for a goalie that he may not realize is difficult for a goalie.
"It's always a free flow of info and conversation here. It might be just over a cup of coffee, or after practice, or while a player is taping his stick -- it doesn't have to be two chairs and a desk.
"And it's no different from if Eric Cairns is in, or any number of the alumni we have around who can talk to the players. We encourage that. It's always fun to see Islanders alumni interact with the players."
LHH Note: This is not why I asked this, but part of Snow's answer brings up a favorite hockey topic of mine: If you still play and particularly if you are a forward, try strapping on the goalie pads if at all possible. I've been a shooting forward most of my life, but I will play goalie in our pickup games every now and then (usually when all our emergency keepers are off being crazy goalies elsewhere), and the different perspective you get on the game is incredible. On our tiny little rec level, you understand both shooting and goaltending from the opposite perspective, and it helps you with both. Plus, if you really love this game, a little biomechanical understanding will give you more to think about next time you scream "OMG How did he not stop/finish that!?"
LHH: And then when you're in a situation where you might make a coaching move, do all of those conversations with players help you gauge what's working or not working? Does that enter your mind?
Snow: "No, that's not a subject for me to go into with them, they're not that kind of conversations. At the end of the day, we'd lost 10 games in a row and needed to make a change. I also recognize we were in a tough stretch with 10 of 12 games on the road and the injuries we've had. It was a sad day, because Scott's a good friend and he's an excellent coach. But it was time to make a change."
LHH Note: I always wonder about that topic because it would be one to tread carefully as a GM. So I had to ask. I'm sure you need to use every clue you can find to assess how the relationship is working between coach and player. But you don't exactly want to go around your coach and undermine him, and you don't want to give underperforming players the idea that if they're tired of doing their homework, they can always complain and get the teacher fired.
LHH: Another general question I had in the hopper: You have busy times of the year in the summer and at the trading deadline. This time of the year, coaching move aside, is this when you start planning contract extensions? I know there have been a couple extension announcements around the league recently, so I wondered if this is the time before it gets busy.
Snow: "No, those conversations I have whenever I speak to a particular agent who represents our players -- and there aren't really any of those conversations happening right now. A lot is determined by the CBA, I'm sure you know, where guys on ELCs cannot re-sign until July, and veterans [on one-year deals] cannot extend until January."
LHH: Do you like those CBA rules, where it's a little more concrete when a new contract can be entered? I just think of the old days when you'd have holdouts in training camp or the fall, so from the outside view, this process is a lot clearer.
Snow: "I like the way it is now. It works. I know there are varying opinions about it, and I know there are some GMs who would rather it all have to be after the season is over, but this works fine.
"You mention holdouts. Right now the biggest issue we face like that is when a player is injured in camp and out for most of the year, like we've had. That affects the existing roster and also the player if they have a contract coming. But when I was a player, if a player was holding out it was a drag on the players who are in camp, wondering 'When will he be here?' and then in my experience, players who did that took longer to get back up to speed once they reported."
LHH Note: If you can't tell by my question, I could not be happier that the current CBA outlawed renegotiations. Nothing worse than talking contract squabbles while the season is in progress.
LHH: Almost buried over the weekend was the news of Dylan Reese's recall. Was that just injury/illness insurance, or is their more to it?
Snow: "He practiced yesterday and today with us. We don't know if Jack Hillen [concussion] will be ready to go [Wednesday]."
LHH: And a decision like that, did you ask Jack Capuano on his way up, or how is that normally handled?
Snow: "Yeah, we sought feedback from Jack. In the past Scott and I would talk it over and we'd ask Jack, 'Who's your best defenseman now?' and make a decision. Now, if it's a forward that might be different, because it might be for a specific role like a penalty killer or something like that. But that's all part of the free flowing conversation."
LHH: Unfortunately, I have to be the one to cut this short, but a final question: What's your immediate charge for Jack Capuano?
Snow: "Two points tomorrow night. We're just focused on that game first. We need to get our swagger back, regain our confidence, and be the team that we were at the beginning of the season."
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Huh.
and be the team that we were at the beginning of the season.
Except that team had MacDonald and Jurcina active and Nino was here and Grabner was inactive. And Gillies was getting his 2 shifts a night. =p
It’ll be REAL interesting to see how we come out of the locker room tomorrow night. I’ll have to see if I can get the game put on at the meeting I’ll be at for my NPO. (Fortunately, we hold our meetings in bars.)
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There is no better place to hold a meeting, is there?
Yes, the response Wed. night will be interesting. Luck was not on their side lately; they can make some small tweaks; the schedule sets up better for Capuano’s debut. Lots of variables that may look good but could turn out to be noise.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
Yes there is.
Brewery tasting rooms. =p Ahhhh…glorious!
…With line changes already trickling out, one has to wonder what else is changing.
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We had swagger?
When? I missed that…
Maybe we left it in the wagon?

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 16, 2010 11:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
"It's always fun to see Islanders alumni interact with the players."
Unless they are Trottier, I guess? :(
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
Does anybody ever consider...
…an alternate universe where the “SPLASH of 2006” didn’t disintergrate in 40 days… and maybe Neil Smith is still at the helm, there was never a committee, and Garth Snow was made assistant GM in charge of goaltending coaches and U of Maine hires.
Would Nolan have lasted? He wasn’t a Smith choice.
If there was no 2006 debacle, would there have been an exodus of 2007? Without the debacle and the exodus maybe there is still a bridge along the UFA road… because it looks like Chucky burned those down when he closed the checking account.
Smith talks sense into Wang and they sign RDP for three years… and there is no way he gets a 12 year extension after years 1, 2 and 3…. especially after Nolan duct tapes him to the pipes in practice.
We never get IPB because maybe Smith understands the importance of media relations in NY… again… talking some sense into Wang.
With the nucleus back (Blake still has the big C, but he recovers just like in real life) maybe we don’t have to suffer the last three years, we have a coach that wins, and an upgrade of the organization at every draft… without having to blow the whole thing up.
Basically… what I’m getting at… I don’t really think all this HAD TO HAPPEN… if Charles Wang had a clue about hockey. This whole damn decade… THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND…. .
just a thought… and oh yeah… nice work Dom… especially amidst all the chaos.
Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!
I’ll stick with my alternate universe in which Milbury somehow makes intelligent moves and doesn’t destroy the team every two years
"...my dad taking me to see my two "teams" and me looking up at him after the 6th goal thinking, "What have you done to me?"" - Dom
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Going back that far gives me a headache...
Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!
I miss alternate reality
Yours is very pleasant, Bard.
In my alternate reality, Maloney keeps Turgeon and Malakhov, giving Milbury a reason to keep Palffy (and a center to play him with). The Isles struggle because of terrible goaltending, a situation resolved with Luongo’s selection and Osgood’s waiver pickup. They have assets to trade
In 2002-2003, the Islanders could ice the following squad:
Heatley – Turgeon – Palffy
Blake – Peca – Bertuzzi
Isbister – Green – Czerkawski
Torres – Bates – Dumont
Papineau in reserve
Chara-Berard
McCabe-Jonsson
Brewer-Malakhov
Martinek in reserve
Luongo-Weekes
So some of the trades have gone through, others have not… a few changes in drafting based on deals not made… and of course there could be a free agent signing along the way to strengthen the shutdown lines… Mariusz Czerkawski is NOT a checking forward, for example, and Neilsen is not yet in the league.
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Here's the difference between yours, bards and mine...
Webby needs an insane man motivated by horrible ownership to have patience, act with discretion and show signs of conscious reason.
Your universe also dictates that multiple parties involved with a floundering franchise show vision and the will to bring long term success to something they cared very little about.
Mine would have taken one man to get up on one particular morning and say, “I’m not going to be a spiteful asshole today.”
Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!
you give me too much credit
My reality is dictated entirely by the desire to ice a starting lineup of Heatley, Turgeon, Palffy with Chara and Berard in front of Luongo.
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IPB
and now of seems like Snowang is trying to get rid of IPB.
Dom an everyone else: be careful not to be top critical. Jaffe, Gordon, IPB, who’s next??
by Lee F on Nov 17, 2010 12:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
no worries
I live 100% off the grid with my current address completely unknown. They may take down Dom, Dave and Mikb, but the LHH bunker here will survive all attacks and continue to broadcast till the end!
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by David Hanssen on Nov 17, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Ha
We live in interesting times, no?
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
Cue the “What the hell does the guy from Boston know about the Islanders” comments.
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by David Hanssen on Nov 17, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’m trying to remember which one he is. This will sound bad but…all the Boston Irish commentariat blur together for me. I think this is the one who broke the Bruins Shopping Savard rumor that Edwards came out all fiery against and then…well then no one knew what was true in the end anyway. Whatever sources he has, I guess they’d approach from the “Snow and Gordon have Boston ties” angle.
Yay for the circle of rumors! They keep the Internet alive.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
all the Boston Irish commentariat blur together for me.
You know it’s a hahd jab to be a hawckey ritah in Bahstan. If you fahk up, you got Dennis Leary all ovah youah ass.
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by David Hanssen on Nov 17, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I should also say
That quote was taken while clutching a medallion of St. Terry O’Reilly.
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by David Hanssen on Nov 17, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Bahaha
I clicked the links and enjoyed every bit.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
nice
You guys ah wicked pissahs.
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I’m not arguing with it, it works with my theory from a few days ago:
The Islanders raised ticket prices expecting this to be a more competitive team after upgrading the defense. With the Isles in freefall AND horrible attendance, not surprised Wang would want something to be done to salvage the season.
"...my dad taking me to see my two "teams" and me looking up at him after the 6th goal thinking, "What have you done to me?"" - Dom
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It certainly made this home stand more compelling, if not move more tickets.
(I’m pretty sure I butchered the conjugation there something fierce, but it’s late and I don’t want to think about English. This beer isn’t going to drink itself.)
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
Did we need that from any other source...
If you were listening to Snow on any of his interviews you could tell he didn’t want to do it. I think he wants to be the guy to right this ship, but if it gets any worse he’s going to leave too.
If a tree falls in the coliseum tomorrow night, will it make a sound.
What’s the sound of one Wang clapping?
Dreger (on the fly) just said Gordon will help out Snow with AHL and amateur scouting… hmmm…. maybe this was the plan all along. Fire the Asst GM/Head of scouting… replace him with the coach…. replace him with the AHL coach… replace him with an assistant and replace him with a homeless guy (most likely related to Wang) in Conn.
Joy to the world!.
Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!
It's probably going to end up being
Buy a season ticket plan, coach a game. Buy a luxury box, draft a player. Buy a mini package, announce a live game…cause we’re innovative like that.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 17, 2010 8:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I want to be an ICE GIRL
… or drive the Zamboni… or any combination of the two.
Jack's not nimble, Jack's not quick, but Jack can get another top five pick!
Make sure you take off your skates before driving the zamboni!
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Snowang is trying to get rid of IPB.
What collective butt is everyone pulling this idea out of?
Can someone please tell me?
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 17, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
What's Going On
The messgae on Botta’s homepage is pretty cryptic, but implies some sort of legal problems. Does anyone know what’s going on with IPB?
he has had sponsorship and hosting issues before
IOW, all that bandwidth is pricey. If Fanhouse hadn’t sponsored him, he would probably have shuttered the site a while ago. My guess is that he’ll move to Fanhouse full-time for some pay, or that another sponsor will have to step in to keep IPB active.
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Don't let real-world possibilities get in the way of a conspiracy theory
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
Who should play with Tavares?
-since we don’t have veteran scorers, should our 3 best forwards form a ‘super’ line? (MM, JB, JT)?
-should someone be out there to police/make room (Martin)?
-should our fastest forward (Grabner) with scoring potential play with our franchise forward?
-afterthought…how about a “Prove you belong here” line of Comeau, Schremp, and PAP?
BTW been trying to soak in every nook and cranny reading this site for a few months, amazing stuff guys (and gals).
"I think we got the better Lindros." - Fulla Maloney; "If I'm wrong about Kvasha, then off with my head" - Voldemort; "...a change needed to be made...Jack knows our players...seemed like a strength." - Garth of Wang's World
MM=Moulson
"I think we got the better Lindros." - Fulla Maloney; "If I'm wrong about Kvasha, then off with my head" - Voldemort; "...a change needed to be made...Jack knows our players...seemed like a strength." - Garth of Wang's World
Tavares needs to be on a line with a guy that can get in position and bury a pass or a rebound. Only one that does that with any consistency is Moulson. Strangely enough, I think Hunter may work well with JT…hmmmm, never thought of that before.
hey it is worth a try
maybe on the PP, Hunter in front with JT and Weight, Wiz and Hillen/reese
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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 17, 2010 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
What about the other school of thought..
..that Tavares needs to be on a line with a guy that can work the boards and set him up from the wing as he lurks around the net (Bailey)? I like Bailey at center WHEN WE HAVE SCORING WINGERS.
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by Bryan2112 on Nov 17, 2010 9:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who should play with Tavares?
Michael Ryder.
Oops, it must be all this Bahhston talk.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 17, 2010 7:29 AM EST up reply actions
No
Horton and Wheelah
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by David Hanssen on Nov 17, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Horton....
They got him for Dennis Wideman. DENNIS WIDEMAN, people! Horton/Campbell to BOS for Wideman, pick #15, and a third-rounder next year.
We couldn’t have given up A-Mac, pick #30, our second in 2011, and a forward prospect for that? Horton on RW with JT and Matty Ice? Campbell on 3d line LW with Neislen in C and Hunter on RW to shut down opposing lines? Second line of Bailey centering PAP and Comeau? Or, if you prefer, Grabner, with Comeau on third line?
SONOFABI - :::::headasplode:::::
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Understanding Tallon-speak
I don’t think A-Mac (or anyone else on the Isles blueline) does it, not in Tallon’s world. Tallon sees Wideman and thinks minute-munching point producer — and for half the price of Brian Campbell!
But more to your point, yeah, headasplode. That’s a cheap package. I would like to have Horton for a cheap package. Why can’t we have nice things?
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
And that’s why Flordia will never field a sustaining competitor as long as he’s in charge.
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by David Hanssen on Nov 17, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Tavares = young Ryan Smyth
Who was better with Smyth than Hunter. Martin on the LW, Hunter on the RW…
or
Tavares on the LW with Schremp and Hunter… that is one I’d like to see for a few games.
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Problem with...
-afterthought…how about a "Prove you belong here" line of Comeau, Schremp, and PAP?
…that idea is that if any one of the three potentially does not belong (as may be the case) it would reflect in the results of the other two, making it hard to discern their true respective values. =/
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I lied this quick interview
the general thinking and working of the GM was kind of cool
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
Thanks
Good feedback to know. Since it’s hard for me to arrange day-to-day type interviews that would give us breaking news info, I try to keep some general questions in mind that I at least always wonder about.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
Great job
on the radio, Dom, really enjoyed that. Interesting interview as well. We do need two points desperately tonight, especially at home. I am going to watch tonight (and introduce my 10 month old grandson to hockey at the same time) just to see Jack’s line combos. here is my take on lines:
Moulson-Taveras-Martin
Comeau-Bailey-Grabner
Parenteau-Schremp-Hunter
Sim-Konopka-Weight
I like Martin on the top line because he provides protection for JT and because we need guys who will go to the net with abandon. We need a Tomas Holmstron type of presence in front of the net. Same for Hunter. If you cannot provide a presence in front with your size, then stay on the bench. We never get goals on deflections or rebounds anymore unless we get it from Moulson and Taveras. Where are our big guys in front of the net?? So, I am hoping we will see some better offensive flow from our own end and some net presence tonight. GO, ISLES, GO…
Can we please try to keep the goal judge awake??
by upstateislesfan on Nov 17, 2010 7:54 AM EST reply actions
What about Frans?
Putting Martin on the first line is not a bad idea. I’d prefer to see Bailey with JT and Moulson, but trying out Martin with these guys should give them some protection, a big body in front and a digger for the corners. The second line looks interesting, although my patience is running out on Comeau. I think he needs to sit in the pressbox for a while and watch other guys do what he is supposed to be good at. If we sat him I would bring up another kid from The Bridge (like Rakshani) to demonstrate how you play the game with “heart” and effectiveness. But your 3rd line puzzles me. You would play Shremp before Neilsen? Frans has been our most consistent forward and is the only three-zone forward we have, with the possible exception of Bailey. If Frans is hurt then I can see Shremp…but if he’s healthy no way.
OUCH
my bad…Nielsen should be center on that line, you are absolutely right, with Hunter and Schremp/Parentau on wings. How on earth could I have forgotten Frans?? I should be smacked repeatedly…
Can we please try to keep the goal judge awake??
by upstateislesfan on Nov 17, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Schremp to wing
Anyone else think we’re going to see Cappy try that within his first five games for at least a full game?
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Yeah
If Weight is centering Comeau and Bailey already, then I think Schremp is going to see some wing time at some point. Has to. That or moving Weight back to the wing or alternate center/wing on a 4th line with Konopka.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
first off, who/what is IPB?
secondly, its good to see that Reese got called up. i was at the 2nd BDR/CLT game this past friday, and he was the best player on the ice all night.
as for the other post about people wanting to see Jonesuu – i don’t know. i watched him, and he just looked….lumbering….when he skated, like there wasn’t a good “fluidity” to him. it just looked awkward to me. then again, i was about 10 rows off the ice, so maybe it was the angle.
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I do agree with Snow, get 2 points
that is the most important thing, a win willget the monkey off their back and hopefully spur a better run of games
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
Dom Dom Dom
How do you expect to be taken seriously by the MSM when you didn’t ask Garth probing MSM questions like “How does this 10 game losing streak make you feel?”
You’re not going to get far asking thoughtful questions…
by deeco on Nov 17, 2010 10:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
::giggling:: Indeed.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
you didn’t ask Garth probing MSM questions like "How does this 10 game losing streak make you feel?"
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 17, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Easy night for Capuano........Going from one AHL
team to another. Dom I’d have asked GS If with the new coach whether CW was going to raise his allowance and get some scoring from somewhere. XMAS is coming, with the kind of players we have, if Snow follows his past pattern, the replacements would fit in his Christmas stocking!
I still don’t get this complaint. Wang has said that Snow has an open Purse. The Islanders attempted to sign one of the three big name free agents this offseason. Then there was the ten year/One Hundred Million Kovy rumor.
The Islanders are spending to the floor not because they are forced to, but simply because the roster is full of entry level and RFA contracts.
For example, Frans is only making 25K more then Gillies.
Tavares/Okposo/Bailey combine for a base salary of 7 Million with JT making half of that at 3.7
As it stands our defense is probably making more money then all our forwards with Less players.
I don’t see a situation existing in which Wang won’t spend on the team, and it’s obvious that Snow is making sure the money will be there to keep JT/KO/Bailey around for the long term. Don’t forget there’s also Hamonic, De Haan, Rakshanki, Nino among others fighting their way to be on the roster next year.
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It’s well known throughout the league that the Isles have been stocking the team with waiver wire rejects + marginal bargain basin players, a good signing in the Wiz, overpaying for Eaton, Rhett IMO is an under sized AHL player, Ullstrom a low scorer so far. If you do the math and I have, they have plenty of money they could spend, and still cover those contracts that you mentioned. My suggestion, write one of your very good columns and simply ask how many of us think that “Snow has an open purse?”
Waiver wire rejects is one thing.
Schremp and Grabner are both former 1st Rounders who haven’t gotten a chance to prove they belong.
To me a Nate Thompson is a waiver wire reject. He’s a former 6th round draftee who didn’t really stand out in the AHL.
You could argue that Parenteau, Konopka, Gillies and Sim are all waiver wire rejects. But Parenteau deserves a chance to prove he can make it in the NHL, Konopka and Gillies have specialized roles on the team and Sim bounces between the NHL and AHL.
If you are going to have a young/rebuilding team, Entry level contracts are always cheap. JT, KO and Bailey are probably all worth more then they are being paid.
Look, Snow could probably have grossly overpaid someone to come in, but the Islanders are better in the long run for him not doing it.
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by Mark D on Nov 17, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still don’t think it is appropriate for an NHL GM to carry a purse, but that may be my pre-conceived gender roles.
Schremp and Grabner
What they have proved so far is that they are soft players with skating and, shooting ability that is good for shoot outs but doesn’t work down low in traffic. A good example of a player of their physical stature is Jason Blake in his prime. He could do all those things and would drive the net too. The big thing he had that thoses two don’t have is heart and guts. So far those two are more like Tamby, who is now in the minors.
Except it’s not the same.
Tambi was given 186 games on the NHL level to see what he can do, Multiple Seasons and Multiple Linemates. Hell the Canucks even let him Center the Sedins.
Grabner and Schremp have been given less then 50 games to see what they can do. Same with Parenteau. These guys have all proven they are talented in the AHL. I don’t see the harm in letting them play out the season while one/multiple prospects develop in the AHL.
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besides
Not everyone is a drive-to-the-net player. Blake isn’t even that all that often anymore…. he’s more of a “waste-two-on-one-with-a-wristshot-into-goalie’s-gut-from-45-feet” player now. And guys like Brett Hull (to quote an extreme example) were terrors finding those little gaps and sniping.
As long as a team plays line combos well, a pure finisher/sniper is a huge asset. You need a playmaker (a la JT or Bailey) or they need to be able to create their own space (jury’s out so far). Then it helps to have a crasher with hands (say, Matty Ice) to follow up rebounds.
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What we have now...........
in Schremp, Grabner, and PAP are guys who are good in practice taking shots from the perimeter in warmups. So far they are neither snipers or finishers. Schremp was sat for two games for I believe the reasons I mentioned, and Grabner was let go by Florida for attitude and effort.
Which gets me back to my main point..........
A large part of Snow’s rebuild is depending upon them. Why are we so different from every other team in the league that trades for missing pieces? Right now we are weak at offense, marginal at defense, and in crisis at goal. Is Snow doing a great job? I’ll answer that NO. Those who say he is doing the best he can given the budget he has must be wrong – because either he can’t because of the coming cap problem or the purse isn’t really open. Again I say survey the readership, you may be surprised at the results – I wouldn’t be. I say the coming cap problem will be reaching the floor not the ceiling.
But he’s not depending on them. He’s giving them a chance they might not have gotten otherwise.
Schremp/Parenteau/Grabner cost the Islanders nothing to bring in. If they fail and aren’t NHL material, then at the end of the season Snow lets them walk and brings in some of the guys from BP and Jrs next season.
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Why are we so different from every other team in the league that trades for missing pieces?
Wait, who are all those other teams that are doing that? And if the Isles have nothing but crap assets, who would accept them in a trade?
Schremp, Grabner, those are free lottery tickets you cash in and maybe they hit. Particularly when no forwards of offensive import and accessibility are available on the market. If they work, then they become a “large part” of the rebuild. But right now they cost zero and require zero commitment, so nothing at all depends on them. They’re filling in the gaps.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
by Dominik on Nov 17, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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He’s giving them a chance they might not have gotten otherwise."
It sounds like we are the bottom of the heap, inother words the only team that has room to play these guys because we don’t have the personel to fill the gaps because our rebuild is not complete and back this summer there was no one there for us to pick up and or we didn’t have or want to spend the money.doing what every other team did. Snow is either a genius or a poor GM [poor you can pick which meaning fits]
rec'd
Good quick summary – though we still want the very good column later. =P
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Interesting note from audio
Snow basically stated that any time he has gone to Wang regarding a trade or acquisition he has never been turned down because of money.
I’m sure I’ve heard Snow say this before but it raises my brow and I find it hard to believe. I guess Snow truly believes this rebuild from within will succeed without bringing in any top tier talent. Either that or it is true what the say about free agents treating the barn like it’s Chernobyl .
"We've made a final offer. We hope Ziggy Palffy will come to his senses. We have NO hope his agent will." - Mike Milbury
Once again, Snow tried to bring in one of the three top defenseman during the offseason. I don’t think it has anything to do with the barn considering they all signed with Stanley cup contenders. Even being at the cap floor it’s still a balancing act to make sure that the team has cap space in the long run to keep the home grown talent around.
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I have NEVER heard a FA in any sport refuse to come to a team because of the building. If they don’t come here it is because they do not feel this is yet a winning organization and/or playoff/Cup contender. perhaps the combination of Wang/Snow has not convinced everyone of their commitment yet. I don’t know the answer, but i am pretty sure the building is last on any FA’s mind.
Can we please try to keep the goal judge awake??
by upstateislesfan on Nov 17, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
That’s the one oft-repeated line that always has me scratching my head, too. My initial reaction is always simply: There is no way a team operating at the floor has no budget restraints. There has to be at least a “if you’re gonna spend, you better be damn sure” edict.
However, if attracting FAs at minimum requires outbidding others and even still they turn away (like we saw this summer), then I understand the general hesitation to spend and the trouble it will cause. The way the Isles depth is structured, they’ll have a lot of future core guys coming up for bigger deals beginning this summer, so whatever their future budget is, making the wrong FA commitment can make that even harder.
When I think about it soberly, I think the reality is somewhere in between. (They have a budget, but they can spend, but unless there is a Streit bargain out there they don’t want to do it just to do it.) Free agency really is an inefficient way to get your assets.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.
Swagger vs Confidence
I finally figured it out confidence doesn’t mean anything per Gordon just last week, but swagger is what is needed per Snow this week. If they could have just figured that out sooner the whole 10 game losing streak could have been avoided.

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