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Per Katie Strang at Newsday, Gordon has been relieved of his coaching duty in New York.

(Editors Note: Per team release, Jack Capuano (AHL Bridgeport head coach) takes over on an interim basis, while Gordon become adviser to the GM.)

Well, you can't fire the Players.

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FYI Wrangler

I deleted your FanPost since there was already discussion going here, and we had a front page post due up as well; didn’t want another thread on the same topic dividing discussion.

Thanks for posting, just wanted to explain operations.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

go-go-gone…
and JP smiles

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

NO... NOT AT ALL

I didn’t like the original choice… but if Snow is just going to go and try to invent the NEXT BEST NEW THING on the cheap… NO! I’m not happy at all.
It didn’t take a genius to see this coming. Gordon needs a team with some vets that will buy into his style, push where he needs to be pushed, and lead to a common direction. This team NEVER had that and it was a disaster from the start…
AND THAT IS NOT SCOTT GORDON’S FAULT!
It’s just not fair to players (YOUNG AND OLD) who work their asses off to just feel like they have no shot. Witt laughed at it, Guerin laughed at it… and now everybody laughs at the team.
I don’ thtink Cappy will do much better… I don’t think Arbour or Bowman would do much better either… but with those two you’d KNOW exactly where you were.

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think you underestimate a great seasoned coach

I thinbk a guy like Bowman could do a lot with these guys, but that said he is not looking for a coaching job.

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

there was a quote about lindy ruff the other day in the dev’s game, from former sabre, tallinder about how he loved playing for him because he was able to adapt his coaching style to the changes that hockey went through, and how he always had the teams back and they had his… it’s no wonder they always find ways to win, or turn around dreary starts up there…

we need that kind of leadership

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

AMEN!!!

I’d take Ruff in a heartbeat… or his predecessor…
We went from Snowlan, to Snordon, no it’s Snapuano… it’s not going to work until we have Snuff!

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Then we’d be Snuffing out our opponents. I’m pretty sure that’s illegal.

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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 15, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

No Crystal Ball Needed

I figured this would have happened like this for a few reasons:
1. they waited until they got home so Wang didn’t have to spend money flying capuano to the west coast.
2. Snow promoted cappy because he didn’t want to give up his shot at a 2nd first overall in three years.
3. Next move: heating/Air conditioning shut off.
4. Capuano is only the interim coach… RDP will be the next one.
5. News broken by NEWSDAY… sales goes up by 3.

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

yeah, well, it does suck that you get one AHL coach replacing another one, but a shakeup was needed… at least now all the big names will be lining up to tutor tavares, what’s melrose up to these days again? – in all seriousness, all i hear about JC are good things, he took that lump of S in BPT and got them to the po’s, maybe he can do the same here?

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Timing

I don’t think that the cost of flying Capuano west was a decision factor. I think giving Capuano the luxury of starting with his home facilities and the roster in their home environment was a greater factor.

Does anyone know what the team’s travel arrangements were? I’m assuming they flew back yesterday and Snow had Gordon in his office first thing this morning to let him go. Players show up for practice today and find Capuano there.

I think that given that timing, Garth made his decision after the Anaheim game, where the Ducks did everything they could to give us the game in the first two periods and we just didn’t pick it up.

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by MTBVibe on Nov 15, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

anyone have some info on Capuano

I knpw he is at Bridgeport, but I only lossely follow the sound tigers. How long has he coache dthere? what kind of record does he have overall?

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Capuano

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks..cool he is from up by me. Maine Black Bears rule

played for U of Maine in Bangor, well actually Orono just outside of Bangor. speaking of which. they are having an awesome season so far

the Black Bears are 5-0-1 at home and 6-1-3 overall

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I was trying to be funny...

…but I wouldn’t rule out my theory… I mean… I am correct more oft than not. Because HUMOR runs this team!

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I know.

I don’t think it was a factor, but it may well have been. =p
HUMOR: Hilariously Underfunded Men On Retainers?

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by MTBVibe on Nov 15, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

humor

having unwitting men obfuscate our roster

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

one of those O’s is silent, lol

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

5. News broken by Newsday.. isn’t it about time we reocgnize that Katie Strang is really Garth’s pseudonym?

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

My Feeling

You can’t fire the Players.

We all said that if Gordon could improve the special teams (both dramatically better then last year or the year before) this would be a strong team.

The struggles to me comes down to the forwards being able to spend extended periods in the offensive zone. And that’s not surprising given the lack of NHL experience among the forwards.

It’ll be interesting to see how the team responds, so many of the guys have only known Gordon as coach.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

My Feeling
You can’t fire the Players.

Id fire the players.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s why I enjoy your opinions!

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

you’re so right… but then we dip below the floor

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

The punishment for being below the cap floor is simply that you cant go below the cap floor. Its not like being above the ceiling where you would not be able to ice your team. The Isles would simply have to pay the league minimum anyway, and it would go to the players who ARE there. Id be fine with that. But if Garth wasmt. get on the phone with Boston, solve THEIR problem, and get your hands on a winger who is worth a shit.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

There is PROBLEM #1

The price is ALWAYS too high… unless you’re talking about a waiver deal or a trade for an expendable draft pick.
We have a HUGE amount of cap space… but an owner who’s not sure he really wants to own a hockey team now that his dream has been crushed. Botta has said for years that Wang is a passionate owner… yet, he clings to the value of a broken down goaltender and really hasn’t stuck his hand in his pocket for two years.
I can’t say that I blame him… but that isn’t PASSION. There is nothing passionate about this team except for Gillies’ snarl and a good old fashioned Matt Martin bone crusher.
And those are the two cheapest thrills in the organization… THAT’S VALUE!

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yashin got fired and it worked out pretty well for him.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

DP next???

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

They’d have to Bonilla him

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

it had to be done, 10 games falls on the coach

what ever he is doing to motivate the guys and have them ready to play isnt working, so it was time to go.

I was a big supporter coming into the season, but he couldn’t find the right way to getthem to win. I think it may be the system and Capuano unfortunately has been coaching the same system as per Gordon’s wishes. I hope he changes something up over the nxt 3 days, and that we see a 2 on the scoreboard Wednesday

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

At the very least Capuano should help improve defensive play

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

we have had some decent D in a few games

over the last 10, but no offense. I mean the only goalie out west that had to be any good was in the Ducks game. Against the Sharks and Kings we really didn’t have many great chances

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Have you seen what BP has been doing… with the future of our defense manning the blueline. The Isles have played okay in their own end considering half of their starting six have been injured. I don’t think he’ll make it worse, but I’m not looking for him to improve anything either.

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Gee, Guess Brooks actually DOES have a source with the Isles

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by NYI_22 on Nov 15, 2010 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

In Fairness 10 game losing streaks usually involve the coach getting fired. Just look at the Flyers last year and the Pens the year before.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely...

have to hold someone accountable. The coach is the obvious target, can’t do much about the players. My post was actually referring to the bashing last week’s post on the same subject got. Those who know more than Brooks came out of the wood work to comment on how they thought his claim was ridiculous.

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by NYI_22 on Nov 15, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

fine with Capuano getting it but hope it is interim basis

where he has a chance to win the job, but that the Islanders take time to look at other experienced options

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

it’s interim, but that’s as good as a 10 year deal, gordon’s still with the team, just in a “trottier” capacity now

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Gordon only has this season left on his contract, I doubt he’ll be around after the summer

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Waste not want not!

Squeeze every last ounce from him!

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sit him in an office and have him write scouting reports on tape?

Who knows. But he’s getting paid either way, might as well make him do something for it.

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by MTBVibe on Nov 15, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. The way I see it.

As long as it’s not an ugly parting, it’s better to have someone you can still get info out of on the payroll, rather than hoping they return your calls from Bermuda.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Is it humiliating though?

Being Garth’s sidekick/Igor? I picture Garth feeding him through the cage, letting Jim out for a romp sporadically.

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 11:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

"Him", dammit, "him"!

Stupid iPhone, I typed him!

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And there's always makework around a major organization.

“Go count the chuck -a-pucks, Scott.”

/winces

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by MTBVibe on Nov 15, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Scott go find out who’s talking to Botta and make it stop.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It almost sounds like an agreement between Gordon and the Isles

“Listen, Scott… The team is decimated by injuries and we’re on an epic losing streak. We know it’s not entirely your fault. There’s only so much motivation you can dish out. We all know that changing coaches is the only thing that wakes up players. How about you take a job advising Garth for now, and we’ll see what happens with Jack at the helm? We know you’ll end up with a job next year anyway. Heck, you were quietly being talked up as Coach of the Year when the season began. And a little front office experience will look good on the resume. If, as it turns out, you like the work and we like having you there, then we’ll cross that bridge in the off-season.”

Of course, it could also be nothing like that. ::shrugs::

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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 15, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

WE never did fill those Trottier or Jankowski slots and we’re really not sure how Butch is working out in the booth either so you have options.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope it is that. Gordon strikes me as a great coach who got his team to always make games harder than the standings would suggest. He also found the secret formula to stopping Ovechkin.

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by red army line on Nov 16, 2010 5:56 AM EST up reply actions  

in all fairness

I think that his secret formula wears #24.

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 16, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I would think that’s why it’s an interim basis, so the Islanders can take a look at whose around following the season.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

hope so

like I said, if somehow he gets the team to win, fine let him win the job.

but would like a big name caoch, but if we don’t sign high profile players why woul dwe signa high profile coach

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

WTF???????

Larry Brooks says Snow is denying it.
Either he is crazy or I am.
The whole fucking world is crazy.

@NYP_Brooksie
Larry Brooks
Garth Snow continues to deny our report that Scott Gordon is in serious jeopardy by firing coach.
17 minutes ago via web Unfavorite Retweet Reply

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

lmao

time warp/worm hole?

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

what? so he may not be fired

sounds like something at my job now

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I like how it’s Brooks report, meanwhile everything points to Newsday breaking it.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Best/worst part of that Brooks tweet....

“our report”…when it was Strang and Botta who apparently reported it first!

Oh Brooks…oh….that was a good moment of entertainment, and I thank you for it.

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by MTBVibe on Nov 15, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Its goddamn insanity, thats what this is.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

Wonder if Brooks actually spoke to Snow?

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by MTBVibe on Nov 15, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

It's real

They’ve sent out a team news release, conference call coming up in a few minutes:
The New York Islanders announced today that Jack Capuano has been named interim head coach, replacing Scott Gordon. Gordon will remain with the organization as an adviser to General Manager, Garth Snow.

Capuano has served as the head coach of the Islanders’ American Hockey League affiliate, the Bridgeport Sound Tigers the past four seasons. He will make his National Hockey League head coaching debut on Wednesday, Nov. 17 against the Tampa Bay Lightning at the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum

 We believe we need a change in direction and, with the majority of the regular season still ahead of us, our goal remains to qualify for the Stanley Cup playoffs,” Snow said. “Scott has made tremendous strides with our team the past three seasons and I look forward to continuing our relationship in an advisory capacity.

The native of Cranston, RI, had a 133-100-8-14 career mark as head coach of the Sound Tigers. Capuano joined the New York Islanders organization in the 2005-06 season as an assistant coach with the Islanders. From 1997-2005 he served as the General Manager of the Pee Dee Pride of the East Coast Hockey League.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks Dom

way to be on top of the news release, so we do not have to wonder

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s easy when you can’t trust Brooks at all, lol

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Could be pulling a Logan

Since they have an exclusive relationship with the pay wall, they may have to release news through them first. With Brooks they may be doing what they did to Logan on the Duchene rumours and just deny and provide bad info to undermine any credibility that is left.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe

wang realized that scoring 1 goal a game after getting a kid that should score 40+ a year was not going to sell any tix…

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

I am angry Scott Gordon is taking the fall.

The New York Islanders have Doug Weight and part time NHLer Jon Sim as practically the only vet forwards on this entire team. What exactly was he supposed to DO? He didnt build this team!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

I agree...

But I really don’t think he was the guy to begin with. I don’t think Cappy will be either… there needs to be a veteran force behind the bench when the team is so clearly lacking it on the ice.

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

there will be

and the new coach next year will automatically have a 15-20% better chance before he blows a whistle at training camp since we’ll have to spend that 5M of yashin and weights’ contracts on actual players

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Might be spending it on what's in the cupboard...

He should have better talent… but again… don’t count on anything from the UFA market… They have a ton of decisions to make with the one year [left] contracts they have on the team… and don’t think some of that talent will be left unsigned.

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

what i mean is, instead of 5 mil to imaginary cap space holders, we can get 3 guys that can maybe actually play a little? or 1 guy overpaid or 2 guys moderately paid???

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

If they don't go beyond that we're in trouble again...

Looking at next year…
Moulson is a UFA… $3M+
Bailey and Okposo are RFAs, and may get Hunter-like Deals to avoid losing them in two years. ~$3m/5yrs
Wisniewski… He’s been a good top four for this team. Losing him without replacing him with a vet of the same skill level will be a mistake… and Streit won’t be here forever… ~$3.5M/2YRS
Schremp… $1M/2yrs
Konopka(?)…Grabner(?)…Parentau(?)
FRANS EXTENSION!!!
and you only get $2.5M from Yashin’s contract and $500K from Witt who will also still be on the books.
It’s really not that exciting a prospect if they don’t go out and get some vets to help out A LOT.

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

the new coach next year will automatically have a 15-20% better chance before he blows a whistle at training camp since we’ll have to spend that 5M of yashin and weights’ contracts on actual players

100% true.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait- Witt, not Weight, right?

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

no, weigh has escalators that bump his cap him well over 1.5, it’s gross, his base is under 900k i think, fictitious cap holders that technically make us reach the floor

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

i think yashin is still on the cap longer than this year.check capgeek.com

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But his cap hit drops significantly

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Its nothing like this season

This is the one and only season where Yash’s caphit is huge.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

It's unfortunate but it's a business

This is one of those situations where management has to do something just to show the fans that they do, in fact, care about winning. Firing Gordon is better than pulling off a knee jerk trade that does not help the rebuild.

There is a lighthouse at the end of the tunnel.

by Anarcurt on Nov 15, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

lol, I was just in the middle of yelling at Fox Sports like a cranky old man.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

this is just more interesting

I actually have some stuff I should be doing, but this is more exciting news

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow Chemmy

Scooping all of NY, Nice! Something had to be done…I don’t think it’s necessarily Gordon’s fault and don’t expect too much difference in play because the system us the same. Also, we built for this system.

Maybe they are gonna demote Gordon to Bridgeport while bringing up Capuano (since SG is staying on in an “advisory” role)…I wonder if this is also because Gordo has been a bit critical of team play and DP in particular (not that it was strong criticism, but any in Islanderland is too much).

Also wonder how this impacts SG with team USA?

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 11:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

If it has to do with being critical

they will have to release or bench Weight also! lol

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by NYI_22 on Nov 15, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Crystal ball again...

Look for Gordon to get a player development role if he stays in the organization.

Also, we built for this system.

That would be a DISASTEROUS way of thinking. We shodl be built with he BEST HOCKEY TALENT available to us. They have drafted pieces with that in mind (puck moving defensemen)… but they can’t get the formula right. This team needs to get somebody (COACH) who can work with Snow to assess the talent and make something from it… not the other way around.

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

if we built for this

then why is weight still here? and why didn’t we take MD or VH, rather than the slower center who can “only” finish, many here have said he’s tried to impose his system on players ill suited for it, and it’s a valid point they make, but it doesn’t mean they can’t succeed in it either… idk, it’s a mad mad mad mad mad mad world

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I keep reading that as "We built this city...we built this city on rock n..."

But yeah. I think Snow & Co. is drafting for a new more puck-moving NHL and he thought Gordon would be a good fit to develop those guys. Obviously it hasn’t worked, or at least Gordon hasn’t lasted long enough to see most of those players as NHLers.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Did he really know how to make it work?

Dom,
That’s a question we’ll never have answered. I am going to stand by this. Unless he succeeded we’ll never know if it was the chicken or the eggs.
If capuano succeeds it was definitely Gordon… but I don’t see him having much more than a moderate amunt of success more than Scott did.
If they kept their “continuity” with Nolan, or were able to lure a veteran coach who wanted to give it three years we’d know RIGHT NOW whether this team had a future… right now tomorrow is just as unknown as yesterday.

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

i dont honestlt think it has too with the soap opera politics that go on in the front office-its simply SG gettung whats coming to him.the excuses of development,rebuilding,injuries etc. only go so far. even bad teams win once in a while.Scariest sign was that this team appears to have Regressed this year, despite improved talent, to its worst point of the SG era.eventually,you dont have to actually identify the root cause,ratheryou make a significant change just to shake it up. best wishes to Scot Gordon.

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hard to blame Gordon

What’s coming to him? What should have been coming to him was a team comprised of something more than players that amount to barely making the salary floor.

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by NYI_22 on Nov 15, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

worried about bridgeport

who will take over the important task of developing our future stars in bp? i know the nhl team needs developing too,but if capuano is doing a good job there,why not bring in trottier or someone for the rest of the year instead of leaving rhett,ullstrom,hamonic and co. out to dry til nexdt year? another point: chenoweth and allen have responsibility for special teams- do they get fired too or is snow giving tacit approval to the horrendous job on the pp and pki these last few years? i would think they are a joint ticket with Gordon?

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 11:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

My Guess

http://www.soundtigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&SPSID=363057&SPID=44754&DB_OEM_ID=22700&ATCLID=204772435

Binghamton has been Assistant coach for 5 years in BP

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s on the bridgeport site too

http://www.soundtigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=22700&ATCLID=205031160

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I tried to put a link but didnt work

still a computer moron

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Strang reporting

that Gordon will stay on in an adivsory role to Snow?? WTF is that? You either fire someone or you don’t. Also, she is saying the team has been informed and word is they were shocked.

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by NYI_22 on Nov 15, 2010 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

Still under contract, might as well keep him around (a wee while) to pick his brain about the players. I don’t think he’ll be lurking in the shadows.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

All I can think of is Scott Gordon running around the Coliseum dressed like The Phantom of the Opera

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

They say in the middle of the night, if you listen carefully, you can still hear whispers of “over…speed.”

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

+1

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

advisor

so he can get coffee for Snow,

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

The way this team is being run

I’d have to imagine Snow’s drink of choice is Wild Turkey by the gallon!

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by NYI_22 on Nov 15, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

how thet could they be shocked? maybe it really wasnt gordons fault,the whole team is obviously clueless. i seriously doubt the varacity of that report

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

QUOTES

I will try something a little different: Assuming my connection doesn’t get lost, I’ll post any relevant quotes from Snow as I hear them here, then do a proper write-up later. ::crosses fingers connection doesn’t fail::

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Strang up first: What effect do you hope this has on the team?

Snow: “We have a big game Wednesday…we need a strong performance on this home stand…”

On Jack: “Jack’s done a great job in Bridgeport the last few seasons…it’s a situation where he has familiarity with a lot of players in that locker room.”

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Dan Martin from the Post:

How disappointing is this? I know you had a lot of high hopes for this working with Scott.

Snow: “Very disappointing. He’s a good friend, it’s been great working with him the last three years.”

What was the final factor?
“Well, when you’ve lost 10 games you know … /warbled/ sometimes you have to go with your gut.”

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I call bullshit!

Gordon’s corsi says differently! Bwahahaha, I kid, I’m sure his corsi hurt Garth’s gut too!

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 11:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL

Nice. I kind of like the idea of posting quotes here and having people respond to them. Allows everyone to sort of weigh in with quips and insight.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Burnside: "Why not go with an experienced NHL coach now?"

Snow: [For transition mid-season], “Jack knows our players, so there won’t be a feeling-out process. Jack’s familiarity with them to me seemed like a strength.”

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Translated

“Would you work here right now?”

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What was Scott's reaction? What is his role now?

Snow: “I prefer to keep his reaction, things like that, between him and me. He’ll serve as an adviser to me for [various purposes] throguhout the organization.”

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Jack a candidate for a permanent position?

Snow: “Right now we’re just focused on Wednesday and this home stand. We need to come out strong…turn this team around.”

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I should add, Campbell from Hockey News followed up

…with a Q “can you clarify Capuano’s status?” regarding interim v. permanent. Snow said, “Jack is our coach.”

But obviously he is the interim, and if things go well I’m sure he gets a shot at more.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Spector: How do you think Scott was doing developing Bailey, Tavares, etc.

Snow: “Scott did an excellent job developing, not only those two players, but a lot of our young players. … Unfortunately, we’re in a situation where with ten losses in a row, it’s a situation where a change needed to be made, so we went ahead and did what I thought needed to be done for the organization.”

/CALL NOW OVER

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Fischler: What happened since the 4-1-2 start?

Snow: “Obviously the biggest problem has been offense…”

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Snow: "Obviously the biggest problem has been offense…"

“I expected a bunch of pimply panicked kids to carry this team with no veteran help other than Dougie. Is that so wrong?”

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how long...

Til Gordon catches on elsewhere, even if he hasn’t performed strongly for us, he seems pretty well respected for the role he played in US hockey.

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by ArsenalLI on Nov 15, 2010 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Washington after the Caps get bounced in the first round again

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

doubtful.he doesn’t have the resume to take a win-now team to the finals. they would likelier pull out a retread

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 11:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Botta tweeting:

“I’m one of two writers at practice facility and Isles PR won’t give me conference call information”

ha, guess the Isles aren’t liking his new negative attitude

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by NYI_22 on Nov 15, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

Hasn’t he always had issues since he left?

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I think lately he is much more critical and outspoken. At least that is the feeling I get reading his blog now compared to maybe pre-season, off-season, and end of last season.

"We've made a final offer. We hope Ziggy Palffy will come to his senses. We have NO hope his agent will." - Mike Milbury

by NYI_22 on Nov 15, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

absolutely right. botta just recently stopped being an apologist for wang/snow

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 11:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

well we know garth isnt liking it… but until they pull him off their official blog list, they should live with him

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

There was some crazy noise with the call. Seemed like it was on mute forever, people jumping on and dropping off, idiot somewhere put his phone on hold, so we got piped in music and piped-in English soccer commentary.

This blogger behaved though. :P

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Botta is making how own problems worse

Perhaps its good for ratings, but Im getting pretty tired of it.

Oh- and he deelted my comment from his sita feeling bad for Scott Gordon being fired, but he left up ones calling our owner a chink and things like that. WTG, Botta.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Par for the course for him.

Anything to drum up more hits…intelligent posts detract from the trolling and flaming that keep his hit counts up.

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by MTBVibe on Nov 15, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

he is a latecomet to the fire gordon bandwagon,so you are probably right that its all about ratings/hits for him. his change of tone has been just a wee bit too sudden

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 11:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

wow, that is garbage.

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by NYI_22 on Nov 15, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

To be honest I HOPE he deletes them when he sees them and that he just hasnt seen them yet

There are some of us he just doesnt like anymore. I am apparently one of them. But he liked me well enough back when nobody visited his site.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

He used to be really cool to me- we talked on emails, Ive met and chatted with his family, he has even given me a lift home from NVMC when I needed one (we live only a few minutes from one another). I have no idea what changed his mind- Im no different now than Ive ever been. I unfortunately cant say the same for Botta.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

ive seen other tmc’s on his site though, u may have gotten impersonated and ruined that way

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesnt delete all my comments

Some of them he leaves up.
I make them mostly out of curiosity of what he will leave up and what he will delete.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s even funnier, but he may not want to be part of your social experiment

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Experiment? Im not doing anything different than anyone else leaving occasional comments

He is the one choosing to do this, not me.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking of changing my user name to comment under moderation or whatever the default setting is for having your comment delayed until the column is no longer relavent.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Botta's been deleting my comments since day 1

and I am pretty sure I was one of the few with a decent grasp of grammar, punctuation and spelling. Not to mention that the cesspool of casual racism in those comments is absurd.

Ever since he got that job writing for fanhouse and has gotten his little video segments he’s been a lot worse. He’s sold out. Fuck’im.

by ilopan on Nov 15, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

After coming at Snow last week

And knowing he usually is last call, and writing articles proactively to insulate Gordon, did he expect anything different? Can’t wait to see the venom in his next piece!!

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 11:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

WANG = MOA

I’m surprised this hasn’t replaced at least one of the stanley cup banners

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait, our team is owned by an Asian guy?
Youd never know it… I mean, its not like people bring up the fact that he is Asian constantly and make jokes about it or anything.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay... would it work if I said WANG = THIS GUY

I’m thinking politics… and YOU are thinking RACE…. STONE THROWER!

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Who the hell is that?

And why is he wearing forced-perspective Mickey Mouse ears?

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Chavez, the president of Venezuela

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

No love for the Mickey Mouse ears observation? It really was the first think I thought of when I looked at the picture.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, it was definitely odd. Especially given the look on his face.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

thats all i saw too… lol

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

And you wanna be my latex salesman...person?

If I said he was like HUGO CHAVEZ you wouldn’t really get it… well… you wouldn’t recognize the picture…. though it would be more current and relevant… Because I said Mao(which I seem to have inverted the vowels in my original post)… who even a guy with a double digit IQ can recognize… you make a racial accusation. And I think the MM ears add even more relevance.
So there!
Are we still friends?

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

JP… if you can say to me right here and now that you have NOT made jokes about Charles Wang being Asian and that I was making an unfair presumption about your comment that does not represent you, I will humbly and completely apologize. Otherwise, just know I love ya and we will leave it at that.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think my comments have been fair and balanced!

Circus leader… no asian reference.
I have used his last name in sordid ways… but not because it was asian…. because it is WANG.
I have made the Mao reference before… again… politics, not race… but there is a racial component, I must admit.
I think I made a laundr-o-mat joke back in the Hahn or Newsday days… something like he’d just pull one of his cousin’s dim witted sons out of the laundr-o-mat… that was based on his REAL issues at CA with nepotism more than his race.
THE CHINA SYNDROME was because he wasted half of the preseason because he wanted to do a dog and pony show in Mandarin Chinese… BTW… are the games still brought to us in Mandarin? So… again…racial component… but if he would have attempted to drag them around Brazil I’d have made some reference to “C. Wang has cut out the coffee middle man… and Juan Valdez will be our third line center… god knows what we’re gonna do with the mule” IS THAT RACIST?
I may have… I can’t rememebr any… but no more than I would have made Italian references if he was italian, French… or if he adhered to any particular religion. That’s the way I roll baby!

No hard feelings… we have a new head coach to support… and I think he’s a wop!

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Capuano, sound like he’s an I-Tie, so you’re safe to say what you want paisan.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That was a long way to go..

… for the “without papers” punchline…
I’m surprised I haven’t gotten flagged yet.

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

So Gordon got all of 1 season

He got hired what, minutes before training camp, a team that revolted on him and had two AHL goalies.

Last season they showed signs, and now he gets two months into the season and is gone.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

he’s not been handed a lot to work with for sure, but they were not responding to his dry erase board style, that much was obvious

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought this was coming, just not this soon.

Some questions:

1. Who actually thinks Capuano will be the coach the whole year/going-into next year?
I sure as hell don’t think so.
2. Do you think Capuano can turn anything around for this team? I don’t think so, maybe a little bit in the beginning then they’ll fall flat on their face again.
3. Who would you rather have come-in, a veteran coach to help them or a younger successful ahl coach?

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Nov 15, 2010 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

Me too. Thought it would take longer.

1. Not me.
2. Somewhat. No team is a 10-games-in-a-row-loser by definition, so just by odds the team is likely to bounce back a little.
3. All depends on the veteran coach. There are a lot available who I’d want nothing to do with.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

would you touch Keenan?

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No

It’ll just end up scorched earth. Although he took blame in Calgary for things that do not appear to have been his doing. Still, no; too risky.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

 yea,a little to slimy

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

but he has been in the msg area recently… i wonder why he was there… or if he planted a seed in garth’s belly

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Either way,

I’m excited…I haven’t felt this good about this team since that time they got that point for being tied in regulation…you guys remember that time? Man those were good times…

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL

Gordon can tell his grandkids about that win he got against the Blackhawks…. in the good ol’ day!

Dear Adam Larsson, from JFK you take the Belt Parkway east, to the Southern State east to the Meadowbrook Parkway north... then look for the big lighthouse.

by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the schedule is going to help them turn things around a bit

And that would have happened even if Scott was still here.

There is a big difference between playing 12/17 on the road against mostly top teams and 12/17 at home against far fewer top teams, which is what they will be doing now.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I would have guessed another week.

Until after the game at Atlanta.

1- Capuano goes back to BP or leaves the organization after this season. (What’s his contract status, have we found that yet?)
2- Depends on what he does with the status quo – does he shake anything up strategically, change practice philosophies, who does he bench and when…?
3- Wang’s World…I wouldn’t say that hiring a KHL coach is out of the question. A veteran coach would be my preference, but who can we get that we’d be willing to live with?

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by MTBVibe on Nov 15, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

we need a pi$$ and vinegar guy who doesn’t mind throwing a bench onto the ice

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes!

A guy who if he doesn’t like how you’re playing, everyone in the rink will know it…

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by MTBVibe on Nov 15, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The type of guy who would go after a fan with the fan’s own shoe! oh wait…

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This is supposed to be

A time for hope Web! Don’t do that! Let the dreamers dream!

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wait, aren’t I the one that gets bashed for being an optimist???

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably!

I may not have noticed because I’ve been more of an optimist lately…more the cagey “hopeful while noticing many flaws” type, but an optimist none the less!

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

lmao

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Nov 15, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i think 3 blowouts didnt help, as to #3, if it’s hitchcock, we may as well say goodbye to JT after and the russians

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

hitchcock is a taskmaster and actually forces his teams to play D,but his act gets old really quick. I don’t recall any player ever saying they went to a team because they wanted to play for Hitchcock

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That would be insane...

They already have to OVERPAY for UFA’s because their building sucks. They have problems with players because of the 10 year circus that they can’t seem to get away from. No media. No hopes of playoff success. No idea where the team will be in 2016…. and there isn’t a long list of veteran head coaches that want to work for Garth Snow(That’s an organizational thing, more than a garth thing)…. who really hasn’t shown the ability to move on coaches needs.
So… if Garth has an opportunity to get somebody in the class of Paul Maurice… he’d better duct tape him to the boards behind the bench and sign over whatever’s left in the Wang’s Mad Money account.

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why Nolan

did not want to buy into this without a long term deal and he was absolutely correct.

by ATL Jim on Nov 15, 2010 12:04 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

You are correct...

…but was he even given the chance. If they put a 3 year extension in front of him and told him that he’d be able to help BUILD the team the same way Gordon was… and in a cooperative environment… like Gordon was… I say he goes for it…
But Nolan didn’t play, coach or go to the university of maine, BU, BC, Our Lady of Maple Syrup HS or any of that… he was a F*(&ING COACH!!!

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i actually liked nolan.my impression was that snow didnt get along with him

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

NOLAN

I was very disappointed when he was let go…He was good at getting a team to win with left overs

by KO21 on Nov 15, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Nolan had a LOT more to work with than Scott.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

LEFT OVERS

Nolan made the playoffs with some decent players but the year after everyone left and we ended up with the leagues left overs like, Comrie, Fedotenko etc…They might have been vets but they weren’t quality….He did get the team to compete tho and the style was boring, tho..

by KO21 on Nov 15, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not much...

..and he took NHL journeymen had made them RICH…
Blake… career year… gone.
Kozlov…career year… gone
Poti… career year… gone
WHY… go back 12 months and see the circus act… Wang and his knights of the round table BS… and then you are negotiating with the back up goaltender from the year before… and what was obvious to them then a LAME DUCK COACH.

On the gordon ledger…
Streit, Weight, Guerin, Witt, Sim… SUCCESS… FAIL, FAIL, FAIL, FAIL…
Top draft picks…
Okposo, Bailey, Tavares (did nolan have a kid with as much potential as Tavares?)

JT… if Nolan had a kid like that I can almost guarentee he wouldn’t be in a crumpled heap in the corner every F***ING night!!!…. EVERY NIGHT…. That scene is on so often it’s like watching a McDonald’s commercial… and I bet JT ain’t “lovin it”

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

But he didn’t want to rebuild, We would be in the same situation as the Rangers, eternal borderline playoff team that threatens no one in the playoffs.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You keep saying that...

… WHY?
If he was given the opportuity that Gordon had… as opposed to the one he was given… I don’t see a realistic argument for him saying “no”.
I can’t say that he would have accepted a 3 year deal under those circumstances… but it would have been better for both parties. It just doesn’t make sense… Snow wanted to pull in a bunch of cronies because a single minded work environment was more important than WINNING.
Look at the picture above… see who’s calling the shots… see where we are now as opposed t the day they let Nolan go.

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Nolan had to wait a decade to break back in

I’m sure he was thinking about his long term future. To start a 5 yr rebuild with a 3 year contract, the first 3 are more than likely, going to completely suck…then for Nolan, that would become “see, that’s why he was out of the NHL” and could damage his future prospects if it didn’t work. Especially if he got canned early like Gordon did. Not saying the outcome for him is any different now (obviously), but I could see why he’d be concerned…

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 12:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nolan re-hash

Nolan could have been holding out for more security, but he’s had nothing instead. I can’t pretend that I was a fly on the wall and that he was offered an extension and turned it down or he wasn’t offered anything because they didn’t want him. Either way, Nolan’s history, Laviolette is not coming back, Gordon is Snow’s “mistake” and Capuano is as interim as it gets. If this move works out I may even praise Snow in a few years time for cashing out when things went south rather than pulling a Wang and leaving milbury in charge long enough to dig a hole they still haven’t filled.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If Nolan had stayed through even 2

years of this rebuild and was fired his coaching reputation would be done….politics aside, his reputation is in tact and I cant say I would be surprised if he was hired somewhere else…. that is why I keep saying that. People always act like Ted Nolan was totally against the concept of rebuilding so he had to go….that just isnt how it went down, or at least how I remember it.

by ATL Jim on Nov 15, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's nuanced

And I think “The Committee” structure is at heart to blame. Nolan had pie piece on the committee, so there was reason for Nolan and Snow not to fully trust each other (the normal arrangement is the GM calls the shots…then once Snow receives full control, Nolan thinks he’s lost power — a natural reaction, particularly for someone who tends to think people are out to get him (in some cases with good reason, I’m sure)).

Nolan pretty clearly didn’t engage in some areas he didn’t think he needed to. Snow I’d argue tried to make it work for a while — otherwise he wouldn’t have waited so long into that summer to make the move. Their philosophies for how to go about things may have been different, but I think the whole arrangement was set up in a way that wasn’t likely to succeed.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

same here

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad message to send to the youngsters—we won’t support you (i.e., get you serviceable players) but when you fail, you are outta here. Unless you are Rick DiPIetro, and are friends with the owner, and we will let you play all the games you want and f up the team, becuase there is no I in team, but there are 3 in Rick DiPietro (which is the exact amount of wins we expect out of your 400 year contract).

by Islesprof on Nov 15, 2010 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

How many youngsters has Snow gotten rid of?

Tambelleni and Bergenheim is about it.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

*waves bye-bye enthusiastically*

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you were a fan of both, I just never liked either of them. Comeau is souring me the same way too.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

if comeau’s name was Kovanek (or some other russian name), the kvasha references would be all over the place

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you seen Comeau’s hair? I knew Oleg Kvasha’s hair, and Blake Comeau’s hair is nowhere near as flowing and perfect.

by Les Beaver on Nov 15, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

What hair?

He has a Comeauver!

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

EXACTLY!

Rumor has it that Kvasha retired for the NHL because his hair receded a bit. He could not bear to play at less than 100% hair capacity. He’s a proud man.

by Les Beaver on Nov 15, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

come on, best hair award for isles, i rank kenny baumgartner higher than kvasha

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

???

LOL- is that a typo?
I was most certainly NOT a fan of either- believe me.

And for the record, I am down on Comeau BIG time. On the Arena someone put up a thread ranking all the forwards through the season so far and I gave Comeau an F! [link]

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

oops, I’m more then likely confusing you for someone else. My memory is a bit spotty.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

:)

No prob. JPinVA still pokes fun at me for screaming at Bergie on my TV.
I saw a highlight of the Lightning game last night and saw him flub up a 2 on 1 scoring chance, and now I can just smile. Its much better this way.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I "poke" because I love!

I hope he didn’t get me and you confused… maybe it’s the hair…

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

DP

Good point….I hope when Cappy gets here he doesnt start DP over Roli…If that happens it will sound like a conspiracy against Gordon for starting Roli and benching DP of which was the obvious choice for the team but DP is more important that the TEAM

by KO21 on Nov 15, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

on a gross side note, when i heard we were only skating 5 i was hoping Ricky was going to start, because he can help clear a dump in, and move it up and save some wear on the D-men (at least every so often) i just knew the team would get steamrolled

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think DiPi will start next game

But it will be because its been a while, not necessarily because he is picking him over Roloson.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

no way Rollie goes Wednesday

Cap wants to win

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 15, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

He hasnt played in weeks

Like it or not, playing a steam thats struggling a bit and playing them at home is the type of game where I can see them putting Rick in. If it isnt the very next game (it might not be because the org REALLY NEEDS a W right now) then it will be soon after they finally get a win. Ricks already sat for a while, they arent going to want him sitting for much longer w/o playing.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it depends on performance.

If Rick looks like he’s getting “IT” back in practice then Capuano may give him a shot. But you have to remember how bad he was… not like he was having a bad night… he is statistically the wrost goalie in the NHL… when he was in the AHL last year he didn’t show much either. He’ll need to go a long way to prove himself again… and a coaches debut… the first game back from a long and TERRIBLE road trip… with three days rest for the #1… is not hte time.
If they start Rick they are starting off the same way they ended with Gordon… with a who gives a shit about winning attitude…. As long as our 15 year $4.5M/yr strolltender has every opportunity to shine.

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Lightning start Smith

…that’d make it a battle of the bottom of the barrel, with Khabibulin looking on in envy.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s All Star Ballot Khabibulan to you

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

isn't Khabi in Edmonton?

If the season goes as I suspect it will, wouldn’t be surprised if Roli finishes the year in Tampa.

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 15, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Khabi’s in Edmonton, but he’s neck and neck with Smith and DiPietro in the stats basement.

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by Dominik on Nov 16, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Shouldn't exclude the possibility

that Wang is a factor in the firing and DP playing.

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 15, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I read this differently, it shows the kids that everyone is accountable and in some measure it let’s them off the hook. It wasn’t your fault just bad coaching.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Laughable

So the fact that Scott Gordon has a team youngsters on the leagues bare bones minimum payroll has nothing to do with this teams struggles???

WHY AM I AN ISLES FAN???

by KO21 on Nov 15, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

So the fact that Scott Gordon has a team youngsters on the leagues bare bones minimum payroll has nothing to do with this teams struggles???

You might even argue that they are below bare-bones minimum because of the buyouts and bonuses. Add in the LTIR of a few of their unquestionably best players, a horrendous schedule of only 5 home games, and I ask- Who the hell COULD have succeeded in this situation?

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

apparently Jack Capuano

by Islesprof on Nov 15, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

cap jack will get us by?

here’s a look at him manning the wheel at practice this morning

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey hey, we called up Dylan Reese, our prays are answered

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

sad as it sounds,it was long overdue. he will immediately be our 2nd or 3rd best dman. im actually missing brendan witt

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 12:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If youre missing brendan with from like 07 or 08 then I agree

If youre missing the guy who played for us last season, I dont.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

no.even last years version.otherwise i could have said kenny j or potvin

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

wait… what? Look, I like Reese, but we’re talking about a Career AHL’er who has 19 NHL games, played limited minutes and played a lot with Streit or someone else to protect him.

To argue that he is better then some of the guys who are Career NHL’ers is a bit nuts. Wiz and Martinek are both better then him easy. Mottau and Eaton at the very least are better because they are more experienced. Hillen/Gervais/Jurcina maybe you can make an argument. But there’s a reason Snow signed a bunch of Dmen and Reese started in the AHL.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Reese makes it on to our team only because 4 of our current defensemen are injured.
That explains that.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

obviously martinek.eaton maybe. i am really down on wiz defensively right now. but point taken that reese had streit hiding him alot

by Lakewood Islander on Nov 15, 2010 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Was just listening to WFAN

And granted, this was “incarcerated Bob”, and they have limited usual reporting on the Isles…he was saying Weight was approached about being coach, but still wants to play this season…Gordon lost players bc of PP time assignments. Look for Weight to be coach next year, or named player/assistant coach this year. Why not, our goalie became GM right?

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 12:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Don't see it

I think the Fans would revolt. Weight has 0 previous coaching experience. If they hired him as an assitant or for BP I’d be fine. But I can’t think of a player whose went directly behind the bench and has been successful without any previous coaching.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear you

But I’d never heard that about a GM either…conventional wisdom not so much (see ‘93-’10)…sigh

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 15, 2010 12:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But at the very least they eased in Snow, he had that comittee for the first year or so

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Why Don't I Really Care?

Gordon’s gone. Oh Well. I didn’t hate him, but I can’t not live without him (love double negatives) behind the bench. I figured they let him coach out until the end of his contract and then not renew since that seems to be their MO. Guess they felt it was more costly losing seats sold than hiring another coach. Besides he’s not gone after all, just Trottier gone. Did he improve the team any? Were there any areas where you saw some great coach of the future? I didn’t see it, but he had a roster that coulnd’t play his system either and was just a mix of players ill suited to compete at the NHL level. Can you really allow a 10 game losing streak go unanswered without out even getting a couple of pity points? Do the players then start to think winning doesn’t matter, when you don’t bother to bring an extra defensemen?

In comes Capuano who is interim while they evalaute him over the remainder of the season. So they wind up burning through two coaches in the system in a single season instead of one if Capuano doesn’t work out. Again, don’t care much because this team will be lucky to finish top 12 in the East either way. Glad I got carried away for the first two weeks and enjoyed the illusion because reality sure does suck. They are going to need an interm coach with credibility at some level if they want to win, of just hire another young coach hoping for lightning in a bottle when the string of top five picks matures.

Do we have any other choice at this point then hoping that Snow can eventually build something through the draft? I’m just hoping patience hasn’t started to become indifference.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

I’m sure they told Capuano that if it doesn’t work out he can still return to BP

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He can return to BP, but it kind of tells him he isn’t getting the job in the near future either. He may want to stick around hoping to build his resume, but the interim guy rarely becomes the guy if his test run doesn’t work out.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW Guys

New Front page story about the firing.

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

Billy Jaffe analyzing the Gordon Firing

link
That is just a big kick in the ass. :(

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

No video at work...

…but one of my first thoghts was… I wonder if Jaffe will be on NHL live talking about this.

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Does he say Gordon was too critical of the team?

Does he think Butchie should get the job?

Butchie press conference: “I am happy to be coaching the Rangers…I mean Aisle And Erz. Should be fun. Who’s on this team anyway? Does Doug Weight really play here? That’s amazing. He’s almost as old as I am.”

by Les Beaver on Nov 15, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, it was mostly a recap of the setting. Pretty clear they said, “Billy, quick, get on camera and post some commentary!” I embedded the video in the main firing post.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ouch

Puck Daddy headline “Islanders coach Scott Gordon fired for losing with terrible team”

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by Mark D on Nov 15, 2010 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

I think I need to think about this for a while.....

I’m not at all sure I know my own mind on this. On the one hand, I have never been one who believes in firing a coach to compensate for the failings of others. On the other hand, this team has just sucked for the last three weeks. On the other hand, it ain’t Scott Gordon’s fault that the team has been gutted by injuries, and, when you think about it, who have they brought up as an injury replacement? Not the cream of the future crop, so there aren’t going to be any significant changes with the new coach.

I’m leaning toward being really pi$$ed about this. Lemme stew for a while and I’ll be back to bitch a bit.

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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 15, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

The question always is, did the team lose because the players/roster or because of the game-plan?

You could also argue the whole “losing because they lacked fire”, but that statement is a hard indicator of who to put the blame on(the players are supposed to play hard every night, but if the coach doesn’t yell at them from time to time to keep them on their feet, he isn’t exactly doing his job then).

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by OzzyFan on Nov 15, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, you just let us know after stewing!

I know what you mean. I’d venture most coach firings in the NHL are due to that undefined mix of roster issues and coach-with-roster issues. Sadly, “shake-up” changes are a part of it; perhaps unfair but still necessary.

I do imagine Capuano has a chance to make them more competitive, in party by simplifying things and in part by the old shock to the system. But even Al Arbour couldn’t make a gourmet meal with these ingredients.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m surprised by your reactions here. The facts are the Islanders only make the cap floor because Streit isn’t on LTIR and because Yashin’s buyout counts.

This is a young team with brighter days ahead; in my mind you can the coach if you feel he’s not developing your youth correctly; he shouldn’t be canned for losses especially since I doubt you guys would complain about adding Sean Couturier or Adam Larsson in June.

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by Chemmy on Nov 15, 2010 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

We'll prolly get one of those guys regardless...

of any coaching change.
This was Gordon’s walk year. The math just didn’t add up. This is a good time to see if it was the man or the message, because Cappy will come in with the same message… maybe a little different style of delivering it.
He gets a clean(?) slate with anybody Gordon may have alienated, and it shows that Snow isn’t asleep at the wheel.
The real problem comes in May. If Capuano isn’t the answer… and that means the message needs to be changed… can Snow take a step back, re-evaluate, and lure an available coach with some NHL experience to re-focus the team in 2011-12.
He ahs a ton of work to do in re-signing talent… so hopefully he will make that decision ASAP. Maybe put out some feelers… and start getting “How i would change the NYI essays from prospective coaches”
I say that because this team’s history dictates that anybody who’d be in line for the job wouldn’t have a self evident resume. Not only that, there’s a good possibility that Snow will be competing for coaches against much more atractive situations… well… that set only includes 29 other teams… including the one you root for.

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, we should have traded coaches with the leafs...

i agree tho that something doesn’t add up, if you want to shock the team, then you tell the 1 reporter you actually talk to that :“yeah, if it doesn’t get better i will look at any and all types of changes” instead giving the lame duck a vote of confidence and keeping everything hush hush…

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by bob l on Nov 15, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather trade coaches with the Sabres

Both GMs buddies land on their feet; both teams get the proverbial shake-up.

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by Dominik on Nov 15, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

My vote here...

I’d like ot see Gordon with that squad… and Ruff is one of the better NHL coaches. I’d love to have Ruff behind the Isles bench.

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

As posted above, I think the Islanders will start to look for 2 new coaches. One for the AHL and one for the NHL if Capuano isn’t ready (which at this point I’m not sure he is). Either way, it’ll be hard to send him back down to the farm once he’s been to the big city. If they had at least an experienced assistant they could have treaded water for the rest of the season while they decided which way to go. Now do they then need to hire coaches in tandem to make sure the same system (whatever the new system is, same as the old system) falls into place at all levels?

This is Garth Snow admitting his first mistake. If he felt Gordon were the right guy then a 10 game skid wouldn’t have made a difference and Snow went on record that the goal is making the playoffs, so it can’t be the players he assemmbled could it?

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo!
This is Garth Snow admitting his first mistake. If he felt Gordon were the right guy then a 10 game skid wouldn’t have made a difference and Snow went on record that the goal is making the playoffs, so it can’t be the players he assemmbled could it?

I’m expecting an email saying something like, “Hey JP, sorry buddy, you were right all along. What do you think about Marty, should I give him 3 years with his history?… your friend, Snowy”

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by JPinVA on Nov 15, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The facts are the Islanders only make the cap floor because Streit isn’t on LTIR and because Yashin’s buyout counts.

That is certainly not a fact since it is wrong. First of all, Streit IS on LTIR. Secondly, When players are on LTIR, their caphits DO NOT DISAPPEAR. Ever. What DOES happen is that, when a player is on LTIR, a team is allowed to go over the cap ceiling by the amount of that players caphit.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh, no he isn’t, at least according to Capgeek http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=21

Him being on LTIR wouldn’t drop them below the cap floor, but the sentiment is the same; the Islanders are a young team with a ton of injuries to key players. It’s not the coach.

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by Chemmy on Nov 15, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Him being on LTIR wouldn’t drop them below the cap floor, but the sentiment is the same;

LMAO- Capgeek? who cares about capgeek? Capgeek is not the Islanders. The Sinister Motive Theory about not putting him on LTIR "to make the cap floor " doesnt exist in reality. There IS no cap benefit to the organization in any way if a player is not on LTIR… so since that doesnt actually exist, the sentiment is most certainly NOT the same.

the Islanders are a young team with a ton of injuries to key players.

Young team? Yes. Tons of injuries? No not a ton, the Isles have had far more players injured over the past 3+ seasons… but they are definitely key injuries.

It’s not the coach.

I dont think he was to blame for all of this, either.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 15, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't make sense to me at all

It might have made sense when the team was stinking up the joint during the first part of the streak, but the team was playing much better. They just didn’t have the horses…and they won’t have them for Capuano or whoever. We will see how the team responds, but this is one Garth decision I do not support.

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 15, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

That's how I see it as well, but...

… I guess they had to make it look like they were doing something.

I feel bad for Scott. There were a few people on the interwebs who were quietly starting to suggest he might be Coach of the Year, given their early success this season despite the terrible injury losses. I’m hoping that he does real work in his new position and that it helps the team. And if he is not kept on in that capacity, at least he will have a little more experience to show on his resume.

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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 15, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Coach of the year?

Really? I didn’t see that on the net unless it was after the first 5 games. I didn’t think he was a bad coach, but coach of the year? I think being part of the silver medal USA team probably does more for him than being Garth’s sounding board for the next few months. Only time will tell what he can do with real talent (Team USA looked good, but Wilson gets credit there) and how he is judged by the NHL fraternity (does he get another Head coach job).

by Hockey1919 on Nov 15, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Wilson gets credit?

Don’t tell that to Leaf fans. They are all over the blogosphere hoping that Wilson is next.

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 15, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Wilons gets credit for the silver medal, no credit needed for the Leafs play.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 16, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

silver medal?

I think they would like to fit him for cement shoes!

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 16, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

again talking US olympic team, not the make me laughs fans who don’t really know much about anything..

by Hockey1919 on Nov 17, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

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