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[This is a rather multimedia-heavy post, so I'm forgoing the usual logos at the top. But I make up for it later.] Because I mix my hockey nostalgia with a shameless amount of petty mischief, whenever I think of Ducks coach Randy Carlyle I think first of this moment (He's #25 for the Pens):

And that was just the tying goal -- the goal late in 1982's winner-take-all Game 5 that, had it not been scored by John Tonelli, there would be no Islanders Dynasty. As luck and cruel fate would have it, Carlyle would also be involved on the wrong side of the OT winner just 10 minutes later, as his rejected pinch enabled Tonelli to earn the hardest-working important assist ever recorded in the NHL. I get exhausted every time I watch this next one. God love the original JT:

Star-divide

1982 Game 5 OT: Tonelli Doesn't Quit, Nystrom Converts

Bonus Clip Just Because: WebBard's 'History Will Be Made: John Tonelli'


This isn't a takedown of Carlyle nor his play 28 years ago. He was a good NHL defenseman, a Norris winner in 1981 and recognizable by playing helmetless until the end -- chances are he was going to be on the ice (and likely exhausted) whenever the winner was scored. Rather, this is a reflection on the vagaries of fate in hockey.

Carlyle never won a Cup as a player and frankly didn't come close, toiling for the pre-Lemieux Pens and the pre- uh...well eternal-purgatory Jets. In his first year as an NHL coach he made the semifinals and in his second season he won it all was handed Chris Pronger, which combined with Scott Niedermayer* makes a coach look really smart and leads to good things. *Okay, Sammy "Frans of the West" Pahlsson helped.

So four summers ago Carlyle's Ducks were parading the Cup around after his second year. The following summer, Scott Gordon was hired and his Islanders finished in 30th place at the beginning of a lean-budget rebuild, climbing just four spots the following year. Now both are under fire from some fans whose patience has grown thin  -- perhaps Carlyle even more than Gordon, thanks to the nature of the expectations game. But other fans who defend these coaches are pointing to the roster handed to them by their GMs.

Hockey is a crazy game. We know a decent amount about what defines good players and bad players (once they mature and get enough reps), and we know less about what makes good coaches and bad coaches. We know four seasons ago Carlyle was a Cup-winning coach and two weeks ago he was a miserable coach saying really silly things and today the Ducks have climbed back around NHL .500 so maybe he's alright again.

'Toon Obligation

I can't draw cartoons, but Earl Sleek's work makes a blogger want to -- or at least show appreciation by failing paling in comparison. So without much shared franchise history here other than Wisniewski and Travis Green (and Doug Weight, I guess...I think Tony Hrkac too, if I look it up), here's my lame tribute to Sleek, the Wild Wing of 'tooning hockey bloggers:

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All I could come up with in a pinch.
Plus,
"Quarrck!" just makes me giggle as the Duck's reaction to getting axed just before his team wins the Cup.

The Big Wisniewski Returns

Speaking of materiel that GMs provide their coaches, James Wisniewski is an Islander because his role-to-cap slot did not fit Bob Murray's budgetary restraints, and his cap space and short term did fit Garth Snow's budgetary and cap floor-clearing needs. After 12 games, as Dennis Green would say, The Wiz is who we thought he was! You wanna crown his ass then crown his (okay-you-get-it). As we all discussed in several posts at the time of this summer's trade, Wisniewski is high-risk, high-reward -- and an instant, welcome upgrade for an Islanders defensive corps that was sub-par for the past two years.

In performance, he's delivered as expected: Some great hits, a loose cannon (if funny) in suspendable moments, some head-scratching decisions on defense (which makes him fit right in). Ducks fans, like Blackhawks fans before them, warned us of this yin-yang, and The Wiz has not disappointed: A team-leading (really? still?) 12 points to go with a minus-12 despite not drawing the toughest minutes. A huge boon to the powerplay, particularly with Mark Streit on the shelf, he's very nice to have at the right price, and this season he's at the right price for the Isles. But extension negotiations, when we come to that bridge, should be interesting.

Tonight he faces his former team and the management that signed-and-shunned him, so you have to imagine he'll want to do something noticeable. Whether that something helps the Islanders, we'll see. Wiz's 8-game suspension as a Duck came after showing his old teammates that he wouldn't allow his new teammates to be pushed around. (Did I mention hockey is crazy? Standing up for your brothers is both an attribute and a flaw.)

Lineup Notes

  • Zenon Konopka has that foot issue but practiced yesterday, according to Chris Botta.
  • As announced by the Islanders, Jon Sim, Bridgeport All-Star, was called up for the trip.
  • The Ducks' penalty-taking, Burke-it-up reputation has not changed, so my money's on Trevor Gillies playing.
  • Tonight is the first of back-to-backs in California (Lament: Why does the schedule go ANA-SJ-LA, and not ANA-LA-SJ? Nevermind; Eastern teams can't complain to Western teams about travel mileage). So Rick DiPietro surely starts either tonight or tomorrow. No doubt someone will update in comments. Despite the Sharks' impotent start, the Ducks are arguably the worse of the three teams right now, but they have been scary lately and played well beat the Sharks in San Jose last night. (Pick your verb. I didn't stay up late enough to see the end.) [Edit: Actually I did, a Ducks OT win thanks in big part to Hiller.]
  • Looking ahead: The Kings have lost Willie Mitchell and Alex Ponikarovsky. Not exactly Streit and Okposo, but it still hurts and may factor Saturday. Hey, every injury counts.
  • We may have covered this a few times, but: The Islanders have lost seven in a row in regulation and now play 3 games in 4 nights on the West Coast. Best way to prevent "ten" from entering that sentence is to, like, win tonight against the team that played last night. They're saying all the right things and the coach thinks everyone's on the same page, so there's that. I do think they can spin back out of this, but the problem is their margin of error is so unbelievably thin that when things aren't clicking you get the Philly/Carolina experience.

Let's Go Islanders. Please, for the love of God let's go.

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Jorgen Jonsson was traded to the Ducks, and Trent Hunter was a former Ducks pick. I’ll never forget that about Hunter, because at the time I bashed Milbury for trading a 4th rounder for a former 6th rounder.

I always love watching those old videos, I was watching a few of them yesterday.

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by Mark D on Nov 10, 2010 7:34 AM EST reply actions  

I always forget both of those. I think it’s because I don’t have a visual of either in a Ducks uni, whereas I can picture Green…and Weight…and Hrkac as a Duck in an EA video game.

Hey, look, Hrkac has a Web site. Wonder if he’s playing this year.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Nov 10, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Should we add Jason Blake? Just occurred to me now.

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by Earl Sleek on Nov 10, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, and Andy Sutton played like a period and a half for Anaheim before busting his thumb. :)

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by Earl Sleek on Nov 10, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't want to mention Blake

Because he’ll surely score the game-winner.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Nov 10, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

You read my mind!

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Nov 10, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He might, he’s played 29 games in the last two years for the Aeros in the AHL, but doesn’t look like he’s playing this year.

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by Mark D on Nov 10, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

WE DO...This is gonna be a good trip out west I think.

I feel it will be. This team still has a lot of work to do but the league definitely has not heard the last of the Islanders this year. It might not be immediate….but we have a run or two in us this year on the other side (you know…some 5 and 6 game winning streaks).

We had a really nice run last season starting right around this time I believe.
I love the move of Bailey to Center…I was this close to putting together a Post to address that exact issue. His play at Center while JT was out was inspiring and his quotes about the move were encouraging as well. There are some young leaders in that room. You can sense it.

When the turnaround does occur…these last 3 weeks will be a distant memory.

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by FB4Real on Nov 10, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I Don't See It

At best, 2-1 and that’s only if they win tonight. LA and SJ have too much talent. Last year we did great against the west, but if Isles lose tonight, then 1-2.

by jrams16 on Nov 10, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

not necessarily

We crushed a superior Vancouver squad, and beat the eventual champion Blackhawks, and I seem to remember ISLANDERS 6, DETROIT 0. This team is capable of beating either LA or SJ. I’m going to hold out hope for a sweep, or at least points in every game.

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by mikb on Nov 10, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

4-0 vs. Chicago and Detroit, baby!

Hey, when I’m at a loss for where to hang my hat, I grab the first hook I can find.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Nov 10, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i am right there with you

Look, we did GREAT against the west last season, but right now the Islanders are lacking the old ’MOJO… This is not about the Islanders capability of playing with those teams, it is about having the confidence to do it. (and the personnel) That is why this game Anaheim is the most pivotal: it will make or break the trip. That is why i said, 2-1 because they can play with these guys….

by jrams16 on Nov 10, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

At best, 2-1

I would be thrilled with that.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 10, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Me Too

I would love that too…I might just help turn the ship around and make these guys realize that they are better than they are playing

by jrams16 on Nov 10, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry,

IT might turn the ship around…

by jrams16 on Nov 10, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

no, I like the first one better

You’re a righty shot, aren’t you? ;)

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by mikb on Nov 10, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes you just get that feeling...

There are times where you just know a team is due for a big game. This has that feeling. Anaheim is coming off a tough OT win last night and could be a little bit gassed. The Islanders are hungry for a win. If there is any night we can come up big it is this one. I’m looking for the team to attack early and often.

The kids are more than alright.

by Anarcurt on Nov 10, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha, excellent!

Quarrrrck!!

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by Earl Sleek on Nov 10, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

a little psych me up jpeg!

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Nov 10, 2010 9:36 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

None of this, please

The kids are more than alright.

by Anarcurt on Nov 10, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I hated that dam dog

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by Mark D on Nov 10, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Awesome!

Not that I want to see the Dog laughing at us tonight, just brought back some really cool memories of sitting right in front of the TV so you couldn’t miss

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Nov 10, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what the team needs to do tonight

Sit right in front of the screen…I mean sit right in front AND screen.

The kids are more than alright.

by Anarcurt on Nov 10, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

hope its not this either

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Nov 10, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

notice the score?

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Nov 10, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Praying...

for a win tonight. Especially if Rick is in nets. Only saw the highlights of the Philly game, but I was encouraged by their play. Maybe we can turn the corner, stop all the nonsense about Scott Gordon’s job, and get back to the (UN)realistic talk about playoffs.

by upstateislesfan on Nov 10, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Any early rumors on who the scratch is, or guesses? (And a FIG.)

I’m thinking either Parenteau/Sim or Sim/Gillies.

I may not/expect not to make it to the game thread tonight, so here’s my FIG call:

The Wiz, showing Anaheim his cannon at 14:40 of the first.

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by MTBVibe on Nov 10, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

Part of me thinks they needed an extra forward just in case, so Sim is just getting a free flight for a job well done in Bridgeport.

Another part of me thinks Gillies plays against the traditionally feisty Ducks, then sits for the other two, who don’t exactly put the pacifist in Pacific, but do have a lesser fighting rep.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Nov 10, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i disagree dom, think he’s in the lineup… reason being,
we cant score and he just went on a scoring tear in the ahl…

he probably gets 1st pp time since he’s “hot” (that was actually hard to type)

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by bob l on Nov 10, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

My guess

Gilles & Konopka

Two goons are two too many against the faster, less physical west coast style of play and Konopka’s face-offs really aren’t making much of a difference.

The kids are more than alright.

by Anarcurt on Nov 10, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched the Red Wings v Coyotes the other night.

And just was amazed at how well the wings pass and skate. Their speed and fluidity is pretty damn amazing.

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Nov 10, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

On that note

Sometimes I watch Western Conf. games and cry at how far we have to go yet. Even the mid-tier teams out there can move the puck with purpose.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Nov 10, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

:(

Damn you Dom.

Go find yourself an open door.

by The Black Map on Nov 10, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, 1982 videotape memories

Still better quality than MSG C+.

Had fun with the crawl across the OT goal – “For those viewers scheduled to see Knicks vs. Nets basketball, the game will immediately follow Islanders hockey.”

IOW, “Looking for Bernard King? TOUGH. Playoff hockey. Go play your Ataris and quit buggin’ me.”

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by mikb on Nov 10, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

I know, that crawl always cracks me up. (I’ve watched these clips a few hundred too many times.)

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Nov 10, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone think this is the night we see wiz's first fight?

I am at least expecting 1 big check, lots of physical play, and I’m 70/30 on him getting into a fight tonight.

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Nov 10, 2010 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

I figure there’s a good chance one of his former teammates knows how to push his buttons and will do so if needed.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Nov 10, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe...

But I will perdict first goal to Wiz at 8:35 on the PP. Final score: NY=3 AD= 1. (Really)..

by upstateislesfan on Nov 10, 2010 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

thanks

For the memories. Tonite is the start of something big. Either we start to show that this team deserves to be in the nhl; or we should we bomb out west the number 1 pick watch officially begins. I am starting to question the real upside of our young talent. (Honestly I have always questioned it) but now it is proving a real concern. If bailey doesn’t show up soon let the bust chat begin. Comeau s inconsistency is mind boggling and now huas been evident for 2 coaches. Decisions on guys like hillen , gervais,grabner, parenteau, schremp, need to be made soon. If they arent part of the future get rid of them. We cannot afford to wait for a 25 yr old to ‘maybe’ figure it out.
(See historical yrs of wasted roster spots to papineau, tambellinni, etc.) Forget the playoffs. The number one goal of this team should always be the development of their only real asset.. and with this they have failedc miserably. Mark my words. Jt is gone unless he clicks with another winger in a trots-boss
kind of way. Heck Id take green palffy kind of way..and please make some defensive personnel changes. If I see mottau on another powerplay I am going to throw up.
Man I hope they win tonite…

by NY711ot on Nov 10, 2010 2:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Wonder...

What happens if we drop these 3 games to go to 10 straight? I dont think Bailey will ever be a bust, just not a 1st/2nd line player that people hoped for. No doubt in my mind, ever since DAY ONE, that we drafted him waayyy too high.

Thinking of this today too….Outside of JT, we have not made the most of our string of top 10 draft picks have we? Is the team calling this a rebuilding just hoping on a wing and a prayer?

by Tazman19 on Nov 10, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

Very worried about this too.

by AP77 on Nov 10, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

A set of rough games after an injury and you're ready to write off Bailey?

He will be our 2nd line center. He hasn’t exactly gotten a lot of help lately either. What other picks were bombs? KO? Not much after him, Giroux is the only other one that really stands out . Comeau was a mid second round pick, if he becomes a Bergenheim it really wouldn’t be a huge shocker. CDH is, what, 20? D-Men typically take years longer than forwards. We didn’t have a 2007 pick. JT is JT. I don’t think our top ten selections are to blame here (unless we are going back to Milbury years). The young guns just don’t have enough talent to complement them.

The kids are more than alright.

by Anarcurt on Nov 10, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No, you’re missing the point.

He’s basically saying that everyone just assumes Bailey will be a legitimate 2nd line center. But there is no real basis for this belief in his performance to date in the NHL. And there is always talk about moving him to wing.

Hence the hope vs. evidence thing.

by AP77 on Nov 10, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the first two weeks proved he could be a 1-2nd Center

Then he got hurt, then they moved him off center, and then he got cold. I think he showed that he has the talent for 2nd line center. He was developing good last year as well. Tazman was claiming that he was drafted way too high and will likely be a 3rd center. I don’t think me disagreeing with that is missing the point. Let’s take a look at the 2008 draft . They traded down from 5th to 9th. The only person selected in that gap that is in the NHL is Luke Schenn. Take a look down the list of first rounders. Name me one you would rather have than Bailey. Maybe Eberle (who is 4G 4A in the NHL, still less than Josh in more games) but that’s it and he went at 22 for a reason.

The kids are more than alright.

by Anarcurt on Nov 10, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But you’re basing your entire assessment of his talent on two weeks of this season.

How about all of the time since then? I don’t think the injury argument has any legs anymore. And how about his two prior NHL seasons?

I mean, I really hope Bailey does develop into a legit #2. But right now it looks sketchy at best.

by AP77 on Nov 10, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

his prior two years

Were as an 18 and 19 year old, on a fairly bad team. That has to be taken into account. He didn’t exactly land on the ‘83-’84 Isles like LaFontaine.

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by mikb on Nov 10, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, ok. But he’s not showing any growth now. Still on a bad team, of course.

My point is: I don’t necessarily see the encouraging signs that everyone thinks will make him a for sure #2.

by AP77 on Nov 10, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

fair enough

I’m willing to see how the whole year plays out – not that I have much choice about that…

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by mikb on Nov 10, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

At the very least he’s proven he can be a solid defensive forward, he finished last year at +5. There’s a lot of guys who are as young as him and don’t even look like they should be out there. He might not be scoring as much as we would hope, but he’s definitely an NHL level player. The scoring might take some time, Jokinen didn’t come around till his 5th season, Connolly struggled till his 5th year.

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by Mark D on Nov 10, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It's so early

Not everyone hit’s the NHL scoring. And if you look at what everyone else that was available to the Islanders from the original 5th spot back there is no one they could have picked that is as far along as he is now. The only players really lighting it up are Stamkos & Doughty and they went 1 &2. Stephan has come out good but Wang would have been assassinated if we took him 9th. Sure 2 good weeks isn’t enough to say he will be good (or great) but two seasons that should have been played in juniors/minors is not enough to say he will not reach that potential.

The kids are more than alright.

by Anarcurt on Nov 10, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

*Stepan

The kids are more than alright.

by Anarcurt on Nov 10, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

aside from tahat hatrick

stepan really hasnt done much, and if you look at the first goal he scored it was pure luck

Bailey for captain NOW!

by Zhora on Nov 10, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i believe it was an article on puck daddy that said

i really feel sorry for derek stepan, because there will always be that annoying group of rangers fans that will look at his first game and say wow hes on pace for 264 goals this year. and then when he doesnt do that theyre going to say hes a draft bust

Bailey for captain NOW!

by Zhora on Nov 10, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

String of top 10 picks
Outside of JT, we have not made the most of our string of top 10 draft picks have we?

Have we even with JT? Sort of what NY711ot alludes to just before you, it’s still an open question (and will be for a few years yet, I think) how good of a core JT/Okposo/Bailey + Nino/DeHaan will be.

But I don’t think that’s a matter of whether they’ve made the most of them or not; of course proper development is important (though undefined), but my real long-term concern is that even when you end up at the top of the draft you don’t know what you’re getting each year. Sometimes these picks get you something awesome and generational; more often they just get you a really good player.

And that’s why the Isles’ budget in the future is such a big looming question: It’s okay if your top picks from the lean years aren’t Crosbys — almost no one’s are. But if you don’t have the money/budget to supplement the guys you determine are not carry-you-all-the-way types, not lucking out in the draft in those lean years really haunts you. It’s not the end of the world if JT and Bailey don’t become a Cup-caliber 1-2 down the middle; it is the end of the world if the franchise does not have or provide itself the money to make up the difference.

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by Dominik on Nov 10, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Great point Dom..

The ever burning question in my gullet (that’s right, I said gullet, LOL) is whether Wang will EVER allow Snow to spend money first of all, and secondly, can Garth convince free agents to come play here. We have seen in the last two years us offer more money and the player walks away to play on a more competitive team (Komisarek, Volchenkov, Martin to name the three I heard about directly—who knows how many more there were). Botta has a great article on islanderspointblank today about how the Isles claimed in the offseason they were going to spend on offense and they did the exact opposite. PA to a 1 year deal, Grabner right before the season started. Not gonna get it done boys, thats for sure.

by Tazman19 on Nov 10, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm

:)

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 10, 2010 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

is whether Wang will EVER allow Snow to spend money first of all,

I’m sure that Wang would allow Snow to overpay for a free agent, but Snow is better then that.

Secondly I don’t know where Botta is getting this BS from? Everyone knew the Islanders were going to do their best to improve the defense (and they did) first via free agency. The Islanders scored as many goals last year as the Devils and Rangers, but gave up more goals by far. So what do you think the Islanders would be spending money on?

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by Mark D on Nov 10, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t recall any claims they made about upgrading the offense. I do about the defense, and they (by reports) tried, so I don’t know how much to fault them based on the current reality. (How Wang got them to this point from past moves is another matter…)

Spending-wise, the only thing the team ever says is “the money is there if it makes sense,” which, okay, I can accept that to a point, particularly in their current situation (poor revenues, low-revenue arena and uncertain future, theoretically they will owe a lot more to the kids soon). And spending a lot now in UFA often leads to regret, so I’ve no issue with Snow being judicious about the annual summer scrapheap (I mean, each summer I hear WHY NOT TANGUAY and each winter I watch Tanguay disappoint), particularly since his budget is clearly searching between couch cushions.

BUT, if this team keeps that budget in 2015, that’s when I’ll throw up my arms. These are the things I worry about for the long-term; but since I know we won’t know until much closer to then, it doesn’t much affect my daily thoughts about the team.

My immediate concern is with the development of the kids, which seems to change with the weather (to some extent, that’s expected, but at least it’s something I get new info on with each week). Because while I don’t want to see it work out this way, if JT and Bailey do not prove to be a solid 1-2 (with Frans as a key 2A), it will be really interesting to see how the club assesses and react to that. Great centers are hard to procure, whether through the draft or UFA.

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by Dominik on Nov 10, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

We could always bring in Cheechoo, RW, He appears to have the scoring touch back, lol, 13 points in 11 AHL games so far.

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by Mark D on Nov 10, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

have you looked at his stats? The Senators actually bought him out.

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by Mark D on Nov 10, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You know who looks good?

Janne Niinemaa. Remember him? He’s a point a game on D in the Swedish League (same team as our goalie prospect). NHL.com had a write-up on him today.

The kids are more than alright.

by Anarcurt on Nov 10, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Coach Carlyle

Randy Carlyle was most definitely an all star caliber defenseman but that was a pet peeve of mine when Carlyle and Rod Langway were named Norris Trophy winners over Denis Potvin. It seemed to me at the time that they were looking to give the award to anyone that had a decent season the Norris over (in my opinion anyway) the greatest defenseman of that era by far.
 A funny story about Carlyle,I actually met him in the early 90’s. Randy has an affinity for Standardbred racehorses and with him being a Sudbury boy he was at the track one night visiting with a mutual friend. I was in the racehorse business at the time and after the races the aforementioned friend introduced me to him. We were having a few wobbly pops and my buddy kept insisting that I get his autograph. Randy said he doesn’t want my autograph and after considerable badgering and to get him to stop asking I finally said to Randy to go ahead and sign my race program because I was just gonna throw it out anyways. Randy laughed like hell and signed my program. I still have that program somewhere.

by Isle Of Weight on Nov 10, 2010 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

Haha, great story.

Norris voting is funny. I wasn’t cognitively developed enough at the time to have any legit opinion, Carlyle’s did strike me as odd in retrospect. But we have seen that from time to time with the voting. It’s hilarious how long it took voters to recognize Lidstrom, and then once they did, they decided that they couldn’t stop recognizing him.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Nov 10, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

we have to come away with a point

we can not go 8 games with 0 points. It is so important and will help give the team a boost for the rest of the trip.

JT hopefully looks great on the west coast ice, and comes away hot

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Nov 10, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Nevermind a point...

How about a LEAD!

LIGHTHOUSE HOCKEY: The countdown to Landeskog begins!

by JPinVA on Nov 10, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Gonna be in school for start of game

FIG me for Schremp 13:13

And somebody remember the Gillies gif!

Have fun all!

Sarcasm experience enhanced by Samsung (TM)

by Keith Quinn on Nov 10, 2010 4:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Haha

I’m an idiot. 10:00 start time! See everyone later.

Sarcasm experience enhanced by Samsung (TM)

by Keith Quinn on Nov 10, 2010 6:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Per Botta.....

…..Rolo starting again tonight!

by ogam5 on Nov 10, 2010 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

This is a BIG game

if this team does not beat the Ducks with the schedule we have, there is a good chance that the streak could hit double figures. Then I would have to say that my mind would be going more and more toward Losing for Larsson.

But, hey, I am an optimistic guy. Wiz gets the hat and is the first star.

by BCISLEMAN on Nov 10, 2010 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.

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