Islanders: Rob Schremp out 3-4 weeks (back)
We will not give up that man-games-to-injury title without a fight!
Too bad for Schremp, whose late burst last season was ended by a knee injury. Presumably, the season will begin with Tavares-Nielsen-Weight-Konopka at center, although there's plenty of time for injuries to mess with that.
Update: Changed the link to the Isles TC Daily, w/ comments from Gordon on Nino and de Haan.
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Bailey at center
Maybe with this they move Bailey to center and move Weight to wing.
Who's the master?
I'd enjoy that
But the way they lined up in preseason makes me guess they’ll put the old man at the pivot.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo were important to this team.
I'd 2nd that,
the only way bailey doesn’t move to center is if they bump nielsen to the 2nd line and play him 20min/gm+ and have weight take a full-time 15min+ 3rd line role. I don’t see that happening and I’d much prefer bailey to start at center.
Go isles or Go home.
Not to nitpick...
…but Schremp even after he became a regular last season only got 13-15 mins. per night, while Nielsen got 17-plus minutes. Nielsen is the 2nd-line guy, Schremp is the softer-minutes offense-only type guy (his peak nights were 17+ minute nights, which is what Nielsen’s average is).
So a healthy Weight’s role doesn’t really need to increase all that much to slide into Schremp’s expected spot.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo were important to this team.
Depends on what you slotted Weight for at the beginning of the season though. I had him in 4th line +pp/min.
Go isles or Go home.
I figured he'd do PP and swing between 4th and 3rd LW
But what I’m saying is this doesn’t bump Weight’s workload up that much and it shouldn’t change Nielsen’s that much either.
Whereas if Bailey shifts over, his minutes wouldn’t change much — they might even decrease because Schremp at center got fewer minutes than Bailey at LW last year — and then someone like Weight would have to pick up more of the slack to fill Bailey’s void at LW. In other words, i think sliding Bailey behind JT and Frans to fill Schremp’s role actually reduces Bailey’s role and opens up a bigger void.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo were important to this team.
(which isn't to say I wouldn't want to see Bailey at center again)
I’d like to see Bailey at center, I’m just concerned with the meager LW depth that now is a time when that experiment would hurt them in both areas.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo were important to this team.
yeah I think this woul dbe the move
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Oct 5, 2010 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions
are you shitting me?
it doesnt end does it
In Garth we trust!
by jcam1 on Oct 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
terrible preseason for us
we haven’t gone more than like 3 days without an injury and they are all pretty big. Schremp wouldn’t be a big deal if Okposo wasn’t already hurt. It would still suck but with Kyle down he is one of the guys I was looking to put up a few points and add some life when the team was down
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Oct 5, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Beside myself
I am absolutely beside myself with frustration and grief. This is freakin ri-god-damn-diciculous!! Streit, Okposo, Schremp, Martin, possibly Nino…And we have not even played a regular season game yet!!
Can we let Bridgeport represent us in the NHL season? Maybe Snow should go to California and see if he can find Russ, that kid from the Mighty Ducks who shoots the knuckle puck!
Look at it this way, Snow added a lot of depth in the offseason, now we get to see how it pans out. At least its not as though we’re calling up people who shouldn’t even be on NHL ice to replace them.
When will the hurting stop?
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Not the end of the world
This sucks for Schremp, but I don’t think this should be considered on par with the loss of Streit and Okposo. It just sucks a little more because the Islanders are already short those two. We still don’t know what Schremp is fully capable of so the worst part for me is not knowing what his potential is. I agree this is a chance for Bailey to move back to center if he is ever going to do it this season.
Not the worst
Even if he’s out the whole 4 weeks that’s only 10 games. Likely alot less. As far as being 100% I wonder if that will be alot longer then 3 weeks.
As far as Okposo. Its not good but probably not that bad. Torn labrums aren’t uncommon and recovery can be complete
Unless there’s more to the injury than they’re letting on, I have to think 4 weeks is a really conservative worst-case scenario, too. Not the end of the world, but more toward that death by a thousand cuts situation.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo were important to this team.
3-4 wks starting today=6-8 games missed, or more if it's longer then 4wks.
Chalk up schremp for missing 1/10th of the season now. This is just lovely. Anyone still have hopes for us still finishing in the top 10 in the east? I wanna see a number of ahl players get some game time this season so we can make it as useful as possible.
Go isles or Go home.
CHEATED!
I didin’t even see the Community Projection on Schremp… I feel cheated!
I would think that the temp. lneup even further extends the pre-season. My adjusted lineup…
Moulson-Tavares-Comeau
Nino-Bailey-Parenteau*
Martin-Nielsen-Hunter
Sim**-Konopka-Weight***
*If they really want to keep Bailey at wing, replace Parenteau with Ullstrom to center Bailey(LW) and Nino(RW).
- After 9 games trade Sim for Joensuu(for audition), Nino to Portland, Schremp back, or Rakhshani gets his audition as well.
- Weight can be moved anywhere in this lineup as situatins dictate. I think he can handle 8-18 minutes as well… andif he is truly “feeling it” there is no reason he can’t be the second line center, second unit pivot on the PP… or first unit point man (but I’d really rather see them stick with “D” at the point… or take a shot at overworking Frans.
this season looked so much more promising three weeks ago. thank goodness they had the shortened pre-season… WANG IS A GENIUS!!!!
- Weight can be moved anywhere in this lineup as situatins dictate. I think he can handle 8-18 minutes as well… andif he is truly “feeling it” there is no reason he can’t be the second line center, second unit pivot on the PP… or first unit point man (but I’d really rather see them stick with “D” at the point… or take a shot at overworking Frans.
Forget about the LHP, BKLYN, Queens or Hamilton... Wang is moving the Islanders to The Nassau University Medical Center.
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It’s nice to see that SB boards have their own interpretation of asterisks.
Forget about the LHP, BKLYN, Queens or Hamilton... Wang is moving the Islanders to The Nassau University Medical Center.
But wait, there's more
In the “Formatting Guide” link on comment boxes:
- An asterisk plus a space does this
Asterisks before and after your text does this
- Using the #sign before your paragraph does this
Underline strokes on both sides of your text does this
There are other shortcuts, but they are secret and meant to surprise us.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo were important to this team.
RSI instead of RSH
just one letter changes everything. :(
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
The Flyers just released Guerin
We can try to re-kindle some of that Weight-Guerin magic again!
When will the hurting stop?
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
schremp
sorry he is hurt, hope he gets back and contributes. But his loss is not in the Streit – Okposo class. We did not lose a raising star, except in shoot – outs. Here is a chance for AHL types to either prove they have potential or to show that our prospect pool is not up to the early notices some optomists claim.
Man, I forgot about that
Watch them get into five shootouts in the first month without Schremp, Tambellini and only the Danish Backhand of Judgment at their disposal. Hope Moulson’s been warming up.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo were important to this team.
Your forgetting Parentau had really good shootout numbers.
When will the hurting stop?
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Why, yes I am
Thanks, I had the feeling in the back of my head there was some other specialist I was forgetting.
And yes: I feel dirty even discussing the shootout in strategic terms, but with the injuries we’re going to need some luck like that.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo were important to this team.
We did not lose a raising star, except in shoot – outs.
Really?
44-07-18-25-(-4)… roughly 80-12-34-46-(-6) limited PP minutes
80-19-33-52-(-22)… every available PP minute, very good PK minutes(to be fair).
I’m not saying Okposo sucks, but I wouldn’t cap Robbie’s potential just yet… and to diminish it well below his actual worth… that’s the negativity that this team needs to shed.
Save that kind of crap for Bruno!
It’s like magic… without the rabbit crap in your hat!
Also 20 or so of Schremps points came in the 20 or so games after they moved him back to Center.
When will the hurting stop?
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
YES...
… he may not be ready for the HOF, but don’t discount RSH just yet. It’s funny how we look at some players who may not have gotten into Gordon’s “comfort zone” (Sean Bergenhiem) and throw them out with the trash, then when you find somebody that seems to fit like a glove… some folks are ready to put them in the same Hefty bag. I’ll live with the discards, as long as we give guys like RSH and Blake Comeau a chance to be something when they show that they can contribute.
If we start trashing EVERYBODY for not being a 30 goal guy you might as well move to Philly.
It’s like magic… without the rabbit crap in your hat!
Schremp
If you think he is a raising star great, I hope he succeeds. He was put on waivers for a reason , a very slow start for a #1 pik, that the rest of the league passed on except us. If we offered him now, I don’t think Snow’s phone would ring at all. On the other hand even a hurt Okposo would have the phone constantly ringing. Lets face it they are not in the same class period.
WRONG. The rest of the league didn’t have an opportunity at him. We got him thanks to a stellar achievement in our storied history… LAST PLACE. I promise you that 28 other teams would not have passed on Rob Schremp.
He was a first rounder that got labeled. Coming out of a first round that produced Ovechkin, malkin, Wheeler, Zajac, Wolski and Comeau, he is not far from getting back into the top 30 of that draft class after falling off the radar. there are plenty of very good players that were drafted in fornt of him and behind him, but much like the Islanders, Edmonton has made the “premature eject-o-vation” mistake before… let’s just hope we can take advantage of it.
It’s like magic… without the rabbit crap in your hat!
by JPinVA on Oct 4, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We couldn't give away now
If Schremp is being billed here as a second coming of Trottier, we are in bigger trouble than I thought. He doesn’t belong either in the group of players you just named. But with his soft, drifting style of play, he could be a star in the AHL, where many including hockey professionals predict he will play.
If Schremp is being billed here as a second coming of Trottier, we are in bigger trouble than I thought
Oh please, there isnt even one example of anything of the sort.
I dont see the point in draming things like this up, it does nothing to help an argument.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 4, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If you look back on recent posts
He gets more ink than even Tavares. I’ve counted the last few weeks and he even out does Bailey and Okposo. If this was a music blog, he’d be a rock star. WHY!!!!!
Personality
He has more of a Personality, gives fun interviews, and in general is a fan favorite around the blog. His recent joining of Twitter has also been a lot of fun.
It’s hard not to like guys like Schremp and Moulson who both have pretty much said “just give me a chance in the NHL” with their former teams. Now given that chance they have proven what they can do.
When will the hurting stop?
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personality...........
is not the issue. Incidentally everybody wants a chance. I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT WE WOULD LIKE SCHREMPTO DO WELL. But lets not go overboard and project all kinds of numbers for him based on very little history. The best analogy I can think of are those annoying bumper stickers proclaiming that their child is an honor student. If Einstein were around today I don’t think his parents would do that.
But lets not go overboard and project all kinds of numbers for him based on very little history.
My question: Who do you feel is doing this, and could you please point it out to me?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 5, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Cult of personality?
Look, we all love JT and know pretty much what we expect to see from him. I also suspect a fair number of us are realistic enough that we don’t want to jinx him, load more psychic pressure on him, or anything of that sort. Add to it JT’s quiet nature and we genuinely don’t have much to write about.
RSH, on the other hand, has provided plenty of fodder for discussion, we have no qualms loading up the psychic pressure on him, consider him a boom-or-bust guy who Snow and Gordon clearly have on a one-year flyer to see if the flash he showed prior to the knee injury last season will last. He entertains us! He gives us things to talk about! He generates divisive opinions on blogs for us to argue about! How many posts have you made ON JUST THIS NEWS POST, alto, arguing about how horrible and overrated he is? And if we throw in the times you’ve taken the negative stance on other posts where Schremp has been discussed, how many replies have you posted total on him? Add them up! Now – add up how many posts you’ve made with the same fervor regarding your love for JT. What’s the total?
by MTBVibe on Oct 4, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Superstitious, not realistic.
Wonder how that typo snuck in there. rubs lucky bottle opener and grins
I can see his anger,
a lot of people here are very high on him, like he was the most underrated ahl player of all-time. I see he has some potential, but he was on waivers because he was seen as an incomplete player who thinks too highly of himself. His potential, at best a lower minute 2nd(2nd-3rd minutes) line center, at worst a career ahler. He isn’t a complete player, he has a number of holes in his game, and he lacks size. Last year, the guy couldn’t even play at the nhl level at wing. He is far from what a love of you see him as. I honestly look at him as a 3rd line or ahl center if he can’t produce 60pts+/yr. The story line is that he has always been a 1-dimensional guy, and we all know how long those players last if they can’t produce and how long their careers last if they can somewhat produce. Hopefully he has rounded out his game and plays hard in all aspects of the game, but that’s a really optimistic viewpoint given his age and past. I hope for the best from him too, but we have to be realistic in what we expect and how he performs. His brief time last year, he played like a pp specialist 3rd line center. If he repeats that role, I doubt he has a spot on the team next year. He needs to take a good step forward to prove his worth. I am not sold on him and you guys shouldn’t be sold yet either. But he does deserve another tryout season, which he will get. That’s my 2 cents on the schremp situation.
Go isles or Go home.
drama
If only we “inked” Hamonic a bit more and Gervais a bit less…….
He gets more ink than even Tavares. I’ve counted the last few weeks and he even out does Bailey and Okposo. If this was a music blog, he’d be a rock star. WHY!!!!!
See, that is a valid point- and yore right. But really, its because a guy like RSH is accessible. Thats really what it is.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 4, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s a character, I’m sure that fuels a little more tongue-in-cheek love.
I may be projecting my own view on this, but I think around here people have a pretty damned realistic range of expectations for RSH. I mean, Brendan Witt was pretty much “a rock star” — and that didn’t keep most people from recognizing his decline and putting him out to pasture when needed.
I think people do a good job of talking about characters without making them out to be Trottier.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo were important to this team.
by Dominik on Oct 5, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brendan Witt got hit by an SUV in Philly, he was fine but the SUV was totaled!
When will the hurting stop?
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SUVs dont hit brendan witt
brendan witt hits SUVs
In Garth we trust!
by jcam1 on Oct 5, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
realistic range of expectations
Dom – how about a check- off of what the range of expectations are for Schremp. I think many of us will be surprised by the response. Then at the end of the season we can compare performance with guessing.
Might as well...
….since a community projection can’t hurt someone already sidelined.
But I still think you’re blowing things out of proportion in your interpretation of what everyone else’s expectations are – I’d be terribly surprised if many people expect more than 35-40 points, 1/3rd goals and 2/3rds assists.
Let's find out!
I wouln’t even venture a guess what people will say’
This doesn't add up
You’re saying tons of people here are too high on Schremp, then you’re saying you have no guess what people would say! You’re saying “let’s not go overboard and project all kinds of numbers for him based on very little history” — but I haven’t seen anyone doing that. What do you think is too high? Who exactly is going overboard?
Is 40 points too much? (If he’d been healthy and played 82 games this year.) 45? Both of those figures are nice but pretty achievable and would have ranked him behind Tavares, Okposo, Moulson and Streit last year (and Comeau too, if you project Blake from 61 games).
You don’t like his size and think he plays soft and drifts too much. Others think his skills and growth in his game down the 2009-10 stretch showed signs that he could still be an NHL player. That’s fair, isn’t it?
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo were important to this team.
by Dominik on Oct 6, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why argue?
This sounds like politics. My point is simple, my view is well known. I’m curious as to what others project for him this season. I have said on four different occassions that I hope he gets well and has a good season. In fact you can check, I even wrote in capital letters! But I stick to my statement that aside from a little run at the end of the season he has shone little in two years for a former first pik. I’ll refrain from mentioning others who had similar poor starts – we all unfortunately know who they are. You say others think this little burst shows promise. OK just out of curiosity why not do a little poll and see how it pans out at the end of the season. You and others do this all the time. Whats wrong in checking out what all of us think? This is why Dom, your blog is so widely read and there is no censorship here!!!
We couldn’t give away now
On what basis is that statement? He’s been on waivers once and was immediately claimed by the first team that had the opportunity. How many players pass through waivers without getting a sniff? Now, how many get claimed and promptly put up 0.57 points per game in their first real shot at NHL playing time?
That’s what makes him discussable: The jury is still very much out on him, but he’s demonstrated enough to actually get a jury trial. That’s a far cry from comparing him to Trottier (who I haven’t seen mentioned here, actually).
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo were important to this team.
by Dominik on Oct 4, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
perfect
When will the hurting stop?
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I guess what doesn't kill you makes you stronger
so lets hope the team figures a way to play decent with all injuries then they should be strong the second half of the season and push themselves into the playoffs
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