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A Modest Live Request: Show the replay!

Know what little thing bugs me most when I've paid half a Center Ice subscription's worth of cash to see a single game in person? When my friends at home have a better idea of what's going on than I do. So glad I bought a ticket.

When my brother worked for an international company and took some of his Italian colleagues to an NHL game, they had that notorious reaction that we claim sports fans are supposed to have at their first live hockey game: They loved it. I can still hear their Italian accent (native Italian, not Americanized/New York Italian) raving afterward: "But...but...thees game -- eet is so fast! Zee players, they never stop moving!"

With the advent of HD and more affordable big screens, bringing the vivid live experience home has gotten closer and closer to matching "being there." Which makes me worry about the NHL (and every sport league, if I still bothered with them) when they deliberately do things that make me wish I was at home instead of at the game.

Things like not showing the replay of close or controversial calls on the scoreboard. It varies from arena to arena, league to league, but it's an asinine policy, really, and it undermines that special experience of seeing this great game in person.

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Numb the People with a Shootout, Maybe They won't Rebel

It appears the unspoken rationale is: "Oh, we can't show anything that might indicate -- {gasp} -- refs make mistakes." MLB, home of the Vanilla Stadium Replays Only, is far worse than the NHL in this area, but none are perfect about it.

It's as if they fear that a mob mentality will set in, and there will be a riot, and then an asteroid will hit the arena, there will be a revolution, control of a local petrol refinery will teeter in the hands of a small community whose only hope of protection from a violent gang is a motorcycle-riding ex-cop who we decades later learn is an anti-Sem...wait...I think I confused their fears with the plot of the "Mad Max" series. Sorry. Okay, where were we?

Ah yes: Frankly it's insulting that sports leagues can trust fans to pay $30 (if you're lucky), $75, $250 just for the privilege of being there (plus untold extra ducats for parking, beer, cheesy poofs), yet they can't trust fans to process the most basic information about the game -- i.e., "Was it really a penalty?" "Should he have waived off that goal?" -- information that every other fan outside the arena is seeing three replays of at that very moment you're begging that the in-house display plays one.

They might even go an actual innovative step further and set up an in-house wireless channel where fans can select replays on their mobile device. (Wait...scratch that. They'd surely just convert that into another "premium" service and charge you extra for the privilege of seeing what you already paid for.)

 

"Hey. It's me. I'm at the game. Can you tell me what I'm seeing?"

Because when you're at the actual venue, what happens when something controversial or requiring of instant ref judgment happens? Everybody grabs their phone and calls a buddy who's watching at home.

Friend at home: "Did you see it? This is crazy. Wow was that a brutal elbow."

You at the game: "I mean I saw a collision, but I couldn't tell. Now everyone's scratching their heads and no one knows what happened. Even though we're right here. In fact, there's a really expensive replay machine hanging right above center ice, but it's playing an animated hat game and a Justin Bieber ad right now."

Friend at home: "Wow. Bummer. It was brutal. I hope he's okay. They just showed a close-up of his face, it's gushing blood. Anyway, I'll let you go stand in line for a $10 beer though. I've got another premium brew chilling. Six, actually. They cost me $8 total."

You at the game: "Yeah. Alright. I'll uh...well it will be 90 minutes after the game when I get home so...yeah, um, see ya."

As long as crowds keep showing up, there is still nothing that quite matches the atmosphere of an important live game. I firmly believe that. But as all prices associated with being at a live game keep escalating and you keep getting nudged into decisions like "The 10-game package, or food and heat this winter?" I start to wonder: What happens when this just isn't worth it to anyone but the richest fan or the corporate account?

And when there's a close play or a controversial call, while the rest of the world finds out and the entire arena is left wondering what they're not seeing, you know what would take my mind off how much I paid to not know what's going on right in front of my face?

If they just showed the stupid replay.

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Note: The traditional gameday post will be up later this morning. If you didn't notice at the top, this is a sponsored post. There will be a couple more over the next two weeks, all based around the fan experience theme. The bonus is I get thrown a bone for the LHH Happy Hour Fund -- and an excuse to write about this topic that really does get my goat. So discuss this topic, or what you want the next topic to be, or how I sold my soul but on my deathbed I will receive total consciousness. ...which is nice.

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like the rock, have probably 15,000 tv’s all over the place, standing in line for that 10$ beer doesn’t mean you wont see the action anymore at least… as for replays, i’m not sure, i think they just give you the direct feed that msg puts out, so even though it’s not on the big screen, if your in view of a tv around the concourse (say fire and ice clubs) i think you get the full onslaught of replays… but you are right, i’m sure it’s a little diff at every rink…

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by bob l on Oct 29, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

this part disappeared after i hit post for some odd reason (halloween trick?)

but the new meadowlands for nyg/nyj has closer to 30k tvs, u can’t avoid them, they’re all over, been to the last 2 home games in the club seats and the replays are abundant, even on the big screens, they also have fantasy updates, and highlights of around the league, so not all eyes are blind to the course of technology and what the fans want/need/expect…

of course, no one is seeing them at home with FOX and cablevision having their mexican standoff

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Oct 29, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for that

I wonder if teams have loosened up in new buildings? With all those screens around it would make it even sillier if they censored “close” calls on the jumbo screen.

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by Dominik on Oct 29, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's THIS... and Botta did a story on the goal song...

It really must be a slow news day.

On the bright side Fornabio has noted a deleted tweet of interest. It’ll be fun to see if I was right about the chasm between the wings in Bridgeport.

Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan

by JPinVA on Oct 29, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

this is more of a rant/vent than a story though…

plus, now i can post this and it’s relevant…

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Oct 29, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just about to put that up!!!!

Damn you! You beat me to it! LOL

For the record, “You know what really grinds my gears? Lindsay Lohan.”

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by IslesOfficial on Oct 29, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

“when you can’t find the droids you’re looking for”?

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Oct 29, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

OH YEAH!!!

“You what really grinds my gears” <—- excellent title for a Fan Post!
Hockey “LIVE v TV” related…
1. TV doesn’t show the spaz going 0 for 10 shooting the puck from the blueline into an open net… but they tried to make up for it by isolating on Marc Andre Bergeron during a PP.
2. TV doesn’t charge $10 for a beer… but when you run out at home some guy isn’t going to run up 50 steps to give you a fresh cold one.
3. TV gives you guys like Jiggs calling the game with magical tone and texture. The last time I was at a game I sat in front of a Ranger fan who felt compelled to tell every Islander that he “SUCKED” (in not so polite terms)… As my wife has stated on a few occaisions…“It’s better that our daughter be exposed to the abbreviated vocabulary of a drunken Ranger fan, than to have to see her father escorted out of the building in handcuffs”.
4. Aisle seat plus 8 thimble size bladders… If I have to stand up and sit down more than three times a period I have to invoke my Catholic Mass Logic… “Look… I get it… you’re the priest, and that is THE BIBLE, and that cracker is the body… but can we just bring the whole cast out at the end for a bow and a standing ovation”

Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan

by JPinVA on Oct 29, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man, bob

I’m ashamed I didn’t think of that first!

This needs to be a recurring series.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Oct 29, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

It really must be a slow news day.

Whorin’ ain’t easy.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Oct 29, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of all the things they try to do to get people (or maybe just me) off their (my) couch and into the arena, this is the simplest and most effective way to get that done. I can’t stand that I can’t see a replay, good or bad.

"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington

by Pauly C on Oct 29, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Problematically...

….a new Samsung HDTV is NOT going to improve the picture quality of MSG+ in standard def. And it’s not going to magically receive MSG+2, either.

Samsung! Leading me on with false hopes!! /shakes fist at heavens

Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.

by MTBVibe on Oct 29, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Perfect “What Really Grinds My Gears” topic for next week! I could even talk about how my Sony LCD {dodges lightning bolt} is no match for the hazy fog of MSG+~.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Oct 29, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

im telling you, it really does grind my gears that i can watch high school sports on channel 714 in HD, but can’t watch my isles because the dev’s and knicks are on at the same time…

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Oct 29, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good stuff

We could turn next week’s post into a full-on MSG HD rant, maybe? The more info personal experience people give me, the better we can make it.

Maybe next time I can open the post with, “ReCLINER after reCLINER…”

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Oct 29, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just call two brothers scrap metal!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 29, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’ll try to hop on later to give you what awful high school is playing what during isles games…

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Oct 29, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

So true

I’ve always been amazed how people attending NHL games are basically considered as glorified cash cows.

We haven’t reached that point yet here in Europe, but we’re going the same way, unfortunately. What you wrote mostly applies here too. Never thought about it before, because being able to watch any game live on TV is fairly recent here, but yeah, so true. I’ve already had that kind of phone conversation with a friend watching the game at home.

by Kaonashi on Oct 29, 2010 10:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Interesting

I don’t know at what point it turned, but it used to be much different — far from every game was televised, admission was cheaper and less of a range, and the in-arena experience was pretty much just about the game. There was an organist, but not piped-in music between each play.

Now it is overwhelmingly about “the in-game experience” (which to me is just noisy sensory overload), but some of these venues still miss out on a basic convenience that would make it more enjoyable.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Oct 29, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

the tickets i won for the giants games last month/week, 149$ for the seat, 11$ tax, and 240$ club fee… club fee gets you cushioned seats (but wait, shouldnt that be in my 149$?) and indoor lounge access, with limited viewing of the field from inside, access to all the swanky 18$ martini’s at the martini bar you can drink (not an exaggeration- saw i guy buy 4 and 72$ rang up…)

at least the $180$+ the devils charge you for the fire/ice lounge gets you ala cart eating for free…

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Oct 29, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know something?

We’d really know what was going on if we saw the replay at the stadium on that glorious Samsung Jumbotron! It would completely enhance the experience.

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by mikb on Oct 29, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I originally thought it was a league wide policy not to show the play while it is under review. Can’t let the fans in the stadium see what they are paying for.Same for highlights in between periods. some stadiums will not show the opposing teams goals. Really, are we this childish (I’m talking to you Fat Teddy Leonsis)? I want to see all of the game highlights not just the home teams especially since I’m often at the visiting arena.

Since we have an open forum for video rants I also hate that they delay the game to broacast the TV commercials. Can’t they keep playing and the viewers at home can watch the game on a slight delay that would easily be caught up in-between periods. Least they can do for the extra few hundred dollars is provide me relief from TV timeouts. Hell, at home I can skip the commercial breaks and catch up to real-time. Its not like they use the timeouts in the stadium to bring the vendors around the seats at the Coliseum.

by Hockey1919 on Oct 29, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Not show opposing team goals

Isles used to do this as well. As if not showing a replay of the goals means they didn’t actually happen.

by Dorfer on Oct 29, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Samsung

I have a Samsung HDTV and get to watch about 1/2 of the Isles games in glorious HD. The rest look like I am watching through waxed paper, through no fault of the superb engineering of my Samsung HDTV.

I know this has nothing to do with the topic (which is a no-brainer, of course they should show the replays), but thought it might help the cause, Dom.

by randyboyd on Oct 29, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Same thing Samsung LED 120Hz HDTV, but few are broadcast on HD on Center Ice. However, I still feel like I’m the war room in Toronto relaying what just happened to family at the game.

by Hockey1919 on Oct 29, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

sam sung his heart out

that’s the same tv my bro has i think, pretty sweet…

(off topic, guy in my fantasy football league is names sam singer)
this isn’t him

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Oct 29, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incidentally

That shot above is pretty much as close to a goal as Michael Frolik has gotten for the Panthers this season… Peter DeBoer has responded by benching him outright just seven games in.

So… those guys don’t really miss Nathan Horton at all, do you?

And just to tie this in to the Isles, behold this paragraph from Stanley Cup of Chowder’s game post of the Bruins 2-0 win against Toronto last night:

Just over midway through the second period, Nathan Horton and Dion Phaneuf squared off immediately after a face-off. Both plyers shed the helmet and gloves, and went at it. Horton came out swinging hard and led with a haymaker that partially connected before quickly wrestling Phaneuf to the ice. With Phaneuf on the ice and Horton easing up, Phaneuf continued to throw punches from his backside at Horton. Horton took exception to Phaneuf’s move and continued to rain down shots on Phaneuf.

Video? Why, soitenly! Man I wish we could have pried Horton out of Florida before Boston did.

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by mikb on Oct 29, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Shocked, just shocked!

Who knew Dion would be…that way?

Kind of frightening that Frolik has been so cold or bad. Always thought (hoped?) he was for real.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Oct 29, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t been to an NHL game in forever. But remember last year when the Penguins purposely gave Toronto (the league office, not the Leafs) replays which showed a no goal while holding back a replay angle which showed it go in?

Since I have no idea how they do it, I wonder if the home team having to send video to Toronto has anything to do with the replay not being shown. It would make no sense in today’s digital age, but then again it wouldn’t surprise me if the NHL still had half it’s foot in early 90s mud.

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by Mark D on Oct 29, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

ima go out ona limb here and say toronto started that conspiracy theory

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Oct 29, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you miss the story?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Fox-Sports-Pittsburgh-suspends-producer-for-Flye?urn=nhl-213270

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by Mark D on Oct 29, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

must have, my bad

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by bob l on Oct 29, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

no worries, from all the concussions the stuff I’m able to remember is a tad odd.

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by Mark D on Oct 29, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wasn’t memory, i just never heard that story, off the cuff it sounds like typical toronto media fiction

a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)

by bob l on Oct 29, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering if this was the same case with the Moulson OT winner. Turns out they waited for the MSG feed to confirm. Guess they don’t want a repeat and I believe the Pens producer that held it on purpose was disciplined.

by Hockey1919 on Oct 29, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was indeed disciplined

Sent to his room without dinner, too.

It’s always been my impression from multiple leagues that venues do this so as not to make the ref/ump look blatantly incompetent in front of the fans. ’Cause they hold back things that would help the home team.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Oct 29, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm constantly amazed...

…that I can remember things like, say…the specific torque settings for every bolt on each of my five mountain bikes, yet can never remember that on Wednesday mornings I need to remember to take the trash to the curb.

Or depressed. It might be depressed, not amazed.

Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.

by MTBVibe on Oct 29, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am a fairly well read person...

So it drives me nuts that Mrs. Lighthouse can remember authors, characters, plot details, that I cannot remember, while I can … only reel off every Stanley Cup winner since 1967.

It’s like I can’t overwrite that data in the brain and fill it with something more useful. I do remember trash day though. So I got that goin’ for me.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Oct 29, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ticket Prices

The biggest issue right now has got to be ticket prices. The fact that any fan has to pay $100 for 2 half-way decent seats is ridiculous. Unless you want to sit in a section where nosebleeds get nosebleeds, you have to pay far too much for tickets. And even in those horrible seats, you’re being asked to pay too much. $45 to sit in row N of the 300 section in the corner? Are you kidding?

Make the game more accesible for all fans. God forbid I buy a decent seat far in advance of the game, rather than scour stubhub or ticket exchange for some kind soul to put his good seats up for an incredibly cheap price.

Teams are worried about attendence? Stop charging so much for seats.

Rant over.

by rosey7 on Oct 29, 2010 2:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   2 recs

Can I get a witness from the congregation?

Well put, and succinct! The tickets prices are in some sort of bizarro retail department pricing world where everything is much less than the claimed sticker price if you just look around…or wait for the now-regular $19.72/$20 etc. sales we’re seeing.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Oct 29, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I hope you're right about the sales...

I’m coming home to Long Island for Thanksgiving and am planning on going to the game against the Blue Jackets the night before Thanksgiving. It’s been a tradition of mine to go to that game for as long as I can remember, going on at least 10-15 years (I’m 26, by the way). However, it’s impossible to find seats right now that aren’t either over-priced or in a section where you can only see the puck if it’s behind the goal line on that side (and even then it’s hard to see).

I’m keeping my fingers crossed that affordable decent seats become available.

by rosey7 on Oct 29, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Tough to tell with so few home dates already. Is Thanksgiving usually a big draw for returnees, or do people stay away? That could be a determining factor. And I assume you’re keeping an eye on stubhub.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and MacDonald were important.

by Dominik on Oct 29, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every day.

I took my girlfriend to her first NHL game last year on the night before Thanksgiving, so I’m determined to go again with her. She was all excited about getting to go again, and my dad wanted to come along too (since I used to go to that game with him all the time), so we’re all keeping a close eye on Stubhub and Ticket Exchange, but 3 tix is tough.

by rosey7 on Oct 29, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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