Panthers 4, Islanders 3: Missed opportunity after Tavares hat trick
There were complaints about the defense, but upon further review the goals that did the Islanders in tonight came from:
- 1) Rick DiPietro insisting on playing the puck despite a better option, turning it over to the Panthers' point;
- 2) the Grabner-Weight-Niederreiter line getting hemmed in;
- 3) a screened point shot off the rush that squeaked through DiPietro's pads for David Booth to knock in, and
- 4) another poor DiPietro clear which Trent Hunter failed to handle, leading to a wide-open rebound for Radek Dvorak's game-winner.
In the end, a team loss, with missed opportunities and a waste of John Tavares' first NHL hat trick, which tied the game at 1-1, 2-2, and 3-3 -- but sadly, no 4-4.
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The team's resilience in coming back three times was nice. The uninspiring first period (outshot 14-8) was not. You always had the feeling the game might be theirs to take, particularly with Tavares repeatedly tying it up. But sometimes a poor start comes back to haunt you; certainly it leaves no room for error.
Game Highlights
Notes, Errata
One more game for Nino before The Decision. I must say with each game he looks more adept at handling NHL assignments. The whole ELC-slide thing is one concern; in terms of this year's Islanders, right now he helps. His size is enticing, and you see him using it. You see him learning better where to go at this level without the puck. You also wonder if you'd rather he get first-line minutes in the WHL. And you wonder what "good" roster problems the Isles have when Rob Schremp and, later, Kyle Okposo return.
Rick DiPietro: His lateral movement has been the concern since he cameback even last year. His positioning and reflexes are there though -- he made several saves (26 total) when needed. On two goals tonight he looked out of range on the highlights, but both were actually plays no goalie likely could have moved over to stop. I'm more annoyed by his insistence on playing the puck even when his defenseman is right there. On the Panthers' first goal, James Wisniewski could have taken it and cleared it to kill the final seconds of the powerplay.
DiPietro cleared it weakly around the boards instead, then suffered the result. When his handling backfires, it reminds me of that outfielder with the cannon arm who constantly skips his cutoff man, sometimes ending in a highlight-reel putout and sometimes ending in a two-base error.
John Tavares' 1st NHL Hat Trick: Apparently Patrick Flatley criticized JT's defensive zone play in the post-game, but Tavares was on for one goal against and three goals for that he busted his tail to get: The first from sniffing out the puck in a low-slot scramble, the second off a nice deflection of James Wisniewski's point shot, pulling Vokoun out of set position, and the third from his "office" of sorts, emerging from Vokoun's left to gather a rebound and slip it around a sprawling Vokoun. Nice work for the kid, who came to play and deserved a better result on this milestone night. JT will never be a Selke winner -- that's Frans Nielsen's job -- but the defensive failings tonight were a team effort.
The Refs: The Islanders lost this game on its own merits, but that was one comical display of officiating when Zenon Konopka was called for goaltender interference when he didn't even make contact with Tomas Vokoun (rather, he hit the side of the net). And on the ensuing third-period powerplay -- which the Isles ultimately killed -- DiPietro was bowled into in his crease with nary a blink from the refs. Dear refs: If you're trying to prove a point, per chance you prove it at both ends of the rink?
Jack Hillen: Returned and played 13:36 TOI -- roughly what you'd expect given his place in the pecking order right now, on neither special team unit. EV partner Milan Jurcina played 15:18, including his usual four minutes on the PK.
MSG+3K Coming to You from North Korea (h/t Anarcurt): Not sure what caused them to air Bill Torrey's 2001 tribute from the Isles instead of the live 2010 tribute by the Panthers. Personally, I'd have preferred to see today's version. At least they had a fun interview with Bowtie during the intermission, with Howie probing him once again for who Sam Pollack offered for Denis Potvin before that fateful draft, and "Final Piece" Butch Goring not hiding his appreciation that The Architect didn't build his dynasty solely through the draft.
First Goal Pool
The winner of our first official First Goal Pool -- coming within a minute of johnny on the spot accuracy -- is MTBVibe with his pick of Tavares at 10:25. So he stakes the first lead in the race for total consciousness on one's death bed.
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I don't have a plus/minus per se, so I'll leave that to you all. The Penguins lost in OT in St. Louis -- stoned by Jaroslav Halak once again -- so they take sole possession of first place in the Atlantic. It was a missed opportunity for another early season win (or at least a regulation tie point), so this one hurts. Several days to stew it over before Wednesday in Montreal, when Josh Bailey should be back.
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time for a little shakeup
we’ve been very lucky so far to be in our current position despite the total lack of discipline or concentration on defense. i think ricky showed he has no confidence in the blueliners with his iffy clearing attempts. i think someone has to be scratched,maybe even wiz just to send a message.or call up reese . though he hasnt much skill,he is sound defensively from the small sample we saw last season
by Lakewood Islander on Oct 23, 2010 11:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wisniewski has put up points in every single game he has played as a New York Islander.
I do not agree with scratching a player on that kind of pace just for the sake of shaking things up.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 23, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i cant scratch martinek/eaton. jurcina has shown me every game that he saves goals. andy mac is out. i love wiz,but he has not shown me good instinct on defense. there must be consequenses. if you have a better idea i’m all ears
by Lakewood Islander on Oct 23, 2010 11:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wiz is our PP QB, our best offensive d-man by far, and our most physical defenseman.
He gets 22min/gm for a reason. Not a chance in hell he is getting healthy scratched unless something MAJOR happens with him and the team negatively.
Go isles or Go home.
by OzzyFan on Oct 23, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And you didn't mention mottau in that sentence.
I don’t agree on scratching mottau for reese, especially since reese is more offensive then defensive and mottau is more defensive then offensive. AND, you know our weakness so that doesn’t make sense. Throw gervais in the mix to see what he’s got over mottau for a couple games I’d be down to try, but I’m no way in hell scratching a healthy mottau for reese, katic(right person I am thinking of?), klementyev, or hamonic.
Go isles or Go home.
Recalling Reese isn’t going to happen either. There going to give Gervais another shot before recalling somebody and I would put Kohn and Katic ahead of Reese in the call up pecking order. Right now Reese is skating at a -4 with two assist in 7 games. Most nights he has been in the 3rd pairing. Kohn, Katic and Hamonic have been outplaying him by far.
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by David Hanssen on Oct 24, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I should also note Mark Wotton has also been playing well, but I would highly doubt he gets the call up.
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by David Hanssen on Oct 24, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont think he can
Unless he signed with the Islanders I believe he has an AHL contract.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 24, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he is on an AHL contract. If they didn’t sign him and bring him up last year with all the injuries, it would take a defensive injury apocalypse to have him playing in the NHL this year.
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by David Hanssen on Oct 24, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Wiz was on for just that one goal against, too — which came right after the Panthers’ PP expired. Not an argument for scratching anyone in my book, especially since they’re getting offense from the PP and Wiz is a significant part of that.
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i think ricky showed he has no confidence in the blueliners with his iffy clearing attempts
Isn’t that just Ricky being Ricky? This has always been a risk/reward part of his game. The play on the first goal, there was zero reason to have no confidence in Wisniewski — he just cleared it sooner. It saved him a split-second, but it also was a much weaker clear than Wis would’ve done (they were still on the PK and could afford an icing).
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all i want is something that will send a message that their play as an overall unit is unacceptable. alternative ideas welcome
by Lakewood Islander on Oct 24, 2010 12:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think they already know that.
I think losing IS unacceptable to them.
Did they look they were all floating around, content with losing? We’ve all seen that bfore- and we did not see it tonight.
Nobody has to be scratched as far as Im concerned.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 24, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, its one game. This isn’t like its a 4-6 game loosing streak, we lost to a goalie who has never lost to the Isles in his career, on the road when the home team was having an awards ceremony. The odds were stacked against the Isles. This loss isn’t going to get under my skin.
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by David Hanssen on Oct 24, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, they lost. abut they lost a game that they didn’t have to lose.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
Again, the odds were stacked against them with it being against Vokun (Now 11-0 lifetime vs the Isles) and a night the Panthers were raising a banner. It would have been a tough order for the Blackhawks, Caps or Pens to go in there and win. So relax.
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by David Hanssen on Oct 24, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Remember Al Arbour Night?
The Isles beat the Pens that night, remember? But who was the better team?
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 24, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I swear that was intervention from a higher power. It just had to happen that way.
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Seriously.
It was nuts. We were not even ahead going into the third, yet my friends and I somehow KNEW we were going to win. We were so confident for some strange reason. Its kinda crazy that it worked out like that. So I am looking at this game in much of the same way.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 25, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a thing that is vastly overrated in sports.
I don’t think you “send a message” by doing something counterproductive like scratching your top defenseman. I don’t think “sending a message” is even a thing that you can do. They’re professional athletes, they know their play is unacceptable. What the coaching staff needs to do is figure out what they’re doing wrong, and how to correct that flaw.
Let's never bunt again.
by Thomas Wachtel on Oct 24, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I tend to agree. DP has always done that. It doesn’t reflect his confidence in the D. You have to wonder the D’s confidence in him though. I think some of the issues on those two goals is the difference between Roloson and DP as well. Not many goalies play the puck like that, so guys have to adjust when he’s playing. They’ll figure it out, but there may be ugly goals like the game winner along the way.
I should maybe add that I do see DP’s puckhandling as an asset…when used right. I suppose opinions vary, but I see it as something you use to prevent dump-ins leading to sustained pressure — and not something to use when everybody’s already in the zone and he’s not doing anything the defenseman five feet away can do with greater accuracy and power.
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it's not just his puckhandling
Rick doesn’t have the best awareness in the world. In the last goal, that was the problem – it’s funny that we had that long rebound control discussion after the TB game, because this is sort of what I had talked about. He left that rebound in such a terrible spot, and it didn’t look like he meant to. Either he didn’t see Dvorak or he didn’t angle his pad correctly.
On the first goal, it was completey “I can do it ALL BY MYSELF!” NO YOU CAN’T, Rick. You don’t have to try. Listen to your defensemen and let them take it when they have the chance. Just a terrible choice.
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I gave him conditional benefit of the doubt on that game-winner rebound because the original shot deflected and so maybe the angle changed enough — but I’d defer to your judgment on that.
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ah... i didn't see a deflection
Probably why I give up so many goals myself, heheheheh…. as for the Isles, it would explain why the puck just barely caught the toe of the pad, and he didn’t kick at it or anything. I’ll have to see that again, a little slower – I was watching it live on Cloudy Vision at the time.
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NOT TIME FOR A SHAKEUP AT ALL....OY!!!!!
Let’s do a little list here, shall we? We are missing our #1 defenseman, our best PF, our #2 center, now one of our best young defensemen, and have at various times been missing JT and two of our best remaining forwards. With all that, this team has astounded EVERYONE and is vying for not only the top of its’ division but the Conference. A few games ago, we were #3 in the NHL. And you want to mess with that kinda chemistry? That’s a head scratcher.
by BCISLEMAN on Oct 24, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perspective
I like that. I think it is good to remember the odds the Isles are battling against right now. Its not an excuse, its a fact. Any team whis without their 2 TOI leaders, two of their A-wearers, their #1 Dman, their all-around situation forward, their #2 center and #2 winger, PLUS was without another top 4 dman for a few games AND their top prospect should not be expected to win every game. The fact that this was only their 2nd regulation loss in 8 games and both their regulation losses were by only one goal is, honestly, something every single one of us would have signed up for in a heartbeat when we knew just a couple of those guys wouldnt be there.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 24, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
YAY! I can reply again! :)
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 24, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Woohoo!
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by David Hanssen on Oct 24, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
hey speaking of perspective
we weren’t expected to do THIS well BEFORE the injuries!!!! I was thinking we might be in the mix if the D gelled as well as our offensive prospects. This is better than I expected before the injuries…and virtually every prognosticator had us at or near the bottom of the Conference before the season. People should be enjoying this and looking forward to how good the team will be when everyone is healthy…plus the extra added bonus I am hoping for with Nino maybe kicking it into gear like he did last year with Portland.
by BCISLEMAN on Oct 24, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no bruno,ever
i have nightmares
by Lakewood Islander on Oct 24, 2010 12:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oh jeez
Come on already. Its not you personally, its all over- Im getting pretty sick of people acting like he is the shittiest fucking player this team has ever seen. He ISNT.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 24, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s almost like people forget Thomas Pock was a regular two years ago.
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by David Hanssen on Oct 24, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I cry at the mention
Pock, yikes.
That reminds me how this defense is a clear upgrade over last year; it’s also not a top-tier D, but we knew that — they have limitations. Losing MacDonald hurts, but guys like Martinek, Eaton, Jurcina are capable of playing D roles that keep the team competitive on any night.
Already I think it’s clear their philosophy is to collapse around the house when things get hairy; sometimes that’s going to be messy, but they don’t have the puckhandlers to play a constant puck possession game from the back end.
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Pock, holy smokes
Or Dick Tarnstrom. I’m not a Gervais fan but he’s prefectly fine on the third pair. In fact, I’m willing to see him in place of Mottau for a bit, because Mottau has looked fairly bad to me. Wiz covered for him a lot in that third period.
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He's perfectly fine where he is
as a healthy scratch. I’d prefer bringing up one of the boys from Bridgeport to suiting him up.
It’s almost like people forget Thomas Pock was a regular two years ago.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 24, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to start a fight in the comment section...
-But that is how I feel about Jon Sim. He is always the scape goat and is not that bad. I actually like Jon Sim .
OK, now everyone can rip me to shreds for saying that I actually kind of like Jon Sim.
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Nah, it's cool
I’m a fan of Sim, too. Hoping he gets his first goal of the season soon, fella sure puts in the work for it.
I like him too
I dont knock a 4th liner for not having the skills and stats of a 2nd liner… and I think thats what happens to Simmer a lot.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 25, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I almost forgot
Given the Colorado fan infatuation with the topic, should I have added:
Tavares > Duchene
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Tavares>Bailey>Nino>Duchene?
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by David Hanssen on Oct 24, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
Coors sucks. Unbelievably so. The silver bullet won’t slow you down, but it will make you feel like Pock.
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It really is funny
How Colorado is still so hung up on it while I don’t think anyone at this point is second guessing picking Tavares.
but it will make you feel like Pock.
Is that the new swear around here?
Man, DiPietro’s playing like Pock tonight.
The Pock is about to go down between Avery and Wizniewski!
Zenon Konopka is beating the Pock out of that guy!
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by David Hanssen on Oct 24, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Back in the day, out west, you were either a Coors drinker or an Olympia drinker.
Olympia, despite being the superior brew, somehow lost out to Coors.
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by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 24, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Like Betamax vs. VHS!
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And on that note
We’re in Month 1 of Year 2 of the Tavares era: How many times in his career are we going to see him score from the doorstep to the goalie’s left like that? I can’t remember a guy who occupied that space the way he does, constantly finding different ways to score from there. An interesting bird, he is.
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Taveras is gonna shake up the hockey world starting in the next couple of years,
he is going to make duchene look like a role player once he’s peaked. Tavares is BARELY just starting to show why he was a phenom as a young teen. Players like him don’t come around a lot, and he’s easily going to prove why.
Go isles or Go home.
His vision blows my mind.
How he can see some of the things he sees is just a mystery.
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Yeah,
add that to mental maturity + using his offensive skills from juniors + bettering his skating + increasing his strength and he will be a superstar in the nhl soon. The guy has an insanely high offensive hockey sense/intuition, his incredible hand/eye, + his determination and he is no question going to be one of the 10 best point producing, if not overall, forwards in the nhl one day, year in and year out.
Go isles or Go home.
He is awesome
But I still think he is a little too reserved to become captain some day.
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That's fine.
He doesn’t need to be captain. That role can be filled by someone else.
Let's never bunt again.
by Thomas Wachtel on Oct 24, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point I think I've seen the most from Okposo
but honestly, of all the decisions this team faces, I think this is the least important. The captaincy is more symbolic than a thing that can actually win games, to me.
Let's never bunt again.
by Thomas Wachtel on Oct 24, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You are a new Islander fan, right?
Nobody who was following the team in the 1980s when Denis was captain would say that.
Oh what a player he was, Legendary is the word that comes to mind.
Easily arguable the greatest all around d-man of all time above or next to orr.
Go isles or Go home.
Orr probably meant more to the game, but
no defenseman has ever so totally dominated at both ends of the ice as Denis.
Agreed. I don't think any d-man in the future will be as well rounded as potvin was.
It’s just way too hard to have as complete of a game as he did. I just don’t see it ever happening again. Nobody could come close to the defensive/offensive and intagible skillsets that he had as a d-man. No one comes close when I try to think about it..
Go isles or Go home.
closest I could imagine would be
a hybrid of Pronger and Green…but even that wouldn’t capture how good Denis was. And Bobby O reminded CB in an interview that Al made Denis stay back. He didn’t allow pinching at all. Bobby was conceding that Denis might have been more comparable to him offensively in a different system. He also might not have had 4x the number of rings Bobby does though.
Didn't know that Al said that,
very interesting. Potvin was his own breed of player, no doubt about that.
Go isles or Go home.
Here, Here
Okposo definetly has the skill and nature to become a captain. Although I personally think that a captain is a pretty important role, thats just my opinion.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
Yeah, JT seems like the type who would let the captaincy weigh on him too much. He’s serious enough as it is. Let JT “do what he do” and someone else can grab the “C” role.
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pock over bruno
bruno most worthless islander in many years
by Lakewood Islander on Oct 24, 2010 1:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Really? You’re going to take a guy who couldn’t even get a gig in the AHL the past two years and had to go play in Switzerland over Gervais?
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by David Hanssen on Oct 24, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm no way in hell doing that.
Bruno is definitely not that bad. He would even be a 6th man on a few teams with his package. Why are so many people so negative towards him with no good reason?
Go isles or Go home.
by OzzyFan on Oct 24, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
pock over bruno
bruno most worthless islander in many years
Two statements that are objectively false.
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by Dominik on Oct 24, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thomas Pock 08-09: 59 games, 1 goal, 2 assists, -17
Bruno Gervais 08-09: 69 games, 3 goals, 16 assists, -15
09-10: 71 games, 3 goals, 14 assists, -15
Bruno not fantastic, but superior to Pock by far. Other nominees for worse than Gervais:
Mitch Fritz
Joel Rechlicz
Mike Iggulden
Kurtis McLean
Peter Mannino
Yann Danis
Joel Bouchard
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by David Hanssen on Oct 24, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
we had a whole post and discussion
…during the summer about Regrettable Islanders. I put Bruno on the list because fans have been down on him, but I never ranked them. easily coming in below are Tarnstrom, Pock, Joe Sacco… it still just gobsmacks me that a guy can play a full season and fail to record even a single assist – not a secondary, not a rebound off the boards, not a mistake off of a poor teammate’s noggin… nothing. ZERO helpers.
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by mikb on Oct 25, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget to mention when you list the pock vs gervais #'s that
Pock had the -17 in a lot easier role then bruno had his -15. Bruno was forced into a 21min/gm+ role with those #’s while pock was playing less then most bottom 2 guys do at a bit over 12min/gm. To put it in a better perspective, GERVAIS IS A MUCH MUCH BETTER D-MAN THEN POCK. End of discussion.
Go isles or Go home.
by OzzyFan on Oct 25, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pumped up, even in defeat...
PLEASE tell me that when Bailey returns, he’s going to be paired with Tav.
Those first two goals, I barely saw them. They were perfect “Where the go-to guy is supposed to be” goals.
That third goal was just too damn sweet though. He hung on, stood his ground, kept the puck on his stick and scored on a hard grinding “Ring Around the Goalie”.
JT, JB and PA would be a sick line to throw out there.
PA’s averaging over a point a game and seven of those points are assists. He’s been a machine on the power play…PA feeding pretty passes to JT and JB…I’m starting to feel light headed…what happens if/when PA finds his scoring touch?
On a line with JT and JB?
On top of it, we’re 4-3-1 (Call me old school, but if you lose on a legit goal in OT, it’s a loss and you shouldn’t get a point for it and I don’t even want to hear about shoot outs. A tie’s a tie.) without Schremp and Oko… that’s just got me more pumped for when they do get back.
Perhaps we should stop with the Community Projections before we end somebody's career...
Here we go now...
Admittedly, I didn’t see much of the game, but I need to ask…how much of andefensive problem do have when Rollie is playing? Looks like we either can clear the zone or can handle the pressure when the other team is in our zone. Seriously, if I see that jackass lead one more rush on the PK and swat the puck!!! We don’t need a shakeup, we need Bailey back and to play our real #1 keeper more often. It’s shameful that he only has 3 starts.
Some suspensions are worth it!!!
by Keith Quinn on Oct 24, 2010 2:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
You guys are looking the wrong way...
Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. And after getting off to a hot start, Comeau is once again playing the invisible man (although he did get an assist tonight) since Bailey went down. I still have my doubts about how good Comeau is and how much of his hot start was Bailey playing beyond belief.
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Could Bailey’s hot start also be attributed to the pairing with Comeau? One wonders if perhaps their early success has been as much about good linemate chemistry as it is about personal growth. We’ll see what happens on Wednesday.
Interesting, I checked line production
Bailey has 7 points, 5 of them have come with Comeau on the ice.
Comeau has 7 Points, 4 of them have come with Bailey on the ice.
You definitely make a good point.
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Numbers don't lie.
If that’s what’s working, ride that wave.
Maybe PA will find his scoring touch and get pairing with Tav cranking on it’s own.
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by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 27, 2010 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Id say having good chemistry with your teammates and using it to your teams advantage, making one another better, IS personal growth. This is a team sport. :)
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 24, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here, here
Just trying to say that I don’t think that Blake is riding Josh’s coat tails, and that the two of them will have the most success this season when paired up.
BC back in BC again
The theme here seems to be knocking DP….or Garth and Coach Gordon for playing him instead of Roly. Garth has to know whether DP can handle being a #1 without his knee going on him. He needs to know if DP is the future or if we should start looking at Koskinnen, Poulin, and Nilsson. That may mean starting DP in more games than he deserves vs Roly. The team is good enough this year—even with injuries—that it can win even when the netminding is subpar.
Nino is playing well enough that he deserves a roster spot. That would be true even if we didn’t have Okposo and Schremp out and JT, Bailey, Hunter and Comeau missing at various times. With a depleted lineup such as we have, I don’t see how Garth can even consider sending Nino back to the Hawks. And if he did, who would he replace him with?
Abbreviated plus/minus
Only a moment to jot this in before I hop off to a cyclocross race-
+: JT! 1st career NHL hat trick, carried the offense, showed why he was a 1 overall. You the man, JT.
+: PAP: 9 points? 9 points? Plus, he was giving and taking some hits tonight.
-: RDP: Ill-advised puck-handling. Ugh. =/
-: Officiating Consistency: There was none. Konopka’s non-interference penalty, and then the non-penalty on interference within a few minutes at our end? Not cool, zebras.
/scoots out door with his tail afire
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+/-
+ JT …. Noticeably stronger and faster…great start for the kid. I have to be honest, very nervous when his EL deal runs out. We need to lock this kid up.
+ PA .. Starting to turn me around. Never going to be a 1st line player but…
+ Sim .. good tough game stirring stuff up like he usually does. Worked hard all night.
+ Nino … keep him here please. Smarter each game.
- HUNTER … he really does accomplish nothing out there. Cant keep up with the game.
- DIP … not your best game, but still rounding into shape. Rebound was not entirely your fault, shot was deflected on the way in.
- COMEAU … looks lost the last 3 games. Cant be just Bailey, can it?
Rocky start cost us in this game, power play continues to be real good. Solid 2nd and 3rd periods. Lost in the faceoff circle, 34-29. Ridiculous call on Konopka and even though the PA penalty was called by the ‘book’, I have rarely seen that call made on the team down a goal in the final minute. But, at the end of the season, I believe that calls for and against tend to even out.
Nice break up ahead of the Montreal game. Josh and Rollie expected in the lineup, we get back to winning!
So far, DP 5 games:
SV % .882 (42nd in league)
GA 17 (9th in league)
GAA 3.31 (38th in league)
OTL 2 (1st in league)
In 5 games, has given up 4 goals to DAL, PIT and FLA.
Do we expect the team to score 5 goals in these games, esp given our slow 1st period performances? The defense is fine. The 1A goaltending is not there yet, Roli should be guarding the pipes while we’re near the top of the division/conference.
Roli in 3 games (vs WSH, COL, TOR) :
SV % .942 (6th in league)
GA 5 (41st in league)
GAA 1.65 (6th in league)
Roli seems to have less of a problem with our upgraded defense.
As mentioned late in game thread, Flats was directly answering a question from Duguay about strong 2-way players. He didn’t sugarcoat his answer like most analysts but I didn’t take it as a (harsh) criticism – just an honest answer.
Sorry for the misplaced "reply" – when I get the black comment update box while typing it seems to drop my response 10 comments down when posting so it appears out of sync.
RDP
Job is to make saves, not play the puck. I have never given much care about a goalies ability to play the puck…see Dominick Hasek. The risk/reward profile is way skewed towards the risk in my opinion, and that is for all goalies. Drives me crazy to see a goalie do it.
Ricky Rant
In keeping with the theme of knocking Ricky I just don’t get what the fascination with him is all about. I know he has battled valiantly through injuries but to me there is nothing more painful then watching him play goal. Dom mentioned the risk reward part of his game. The problem is it’s all risk no reward.
I am not the first to say this but his handling of the puck causes nothing but confusion for the defense nobody has a clue what he plans to do with the puck including himself.
A lot is said about him not having a chance on various goals because of the opposition having an open net to shoot at, well maybe he should hang around the net a little more and stop worrying about playing defense and he might be in position a little more often instead of leaving a gaping net to shoot at (a certain Ranger goalie comes to mind).
A little while back the Islander-Ranger overtime game in the 84’ playoffs was posted on this site and it brought back memories of just how cool Billy Smith was in net. DiPietro like the saying goes is like a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs, way too jumpy.
Another thing about Ricky is he gives the team a chance to lose every game. In the Dallas game they had to battle back a couple of times from 2 goals down. In the Ranger game after scoring first they had to come from behind. Against Pittsburgh, once again down 2 goals. At Tampa they needed another late miracle to force overtime and against Florida every time they tied it up he would find a way to get them behind again.
In contrast Roly in the 3 games he has played they trailed only once late in the Washington game giving the team a chance to win every game. The Isles record is 4-2-2, if Roloson was the starting goalie I have no doubt their record would be 6-1-1. Roly would have won the Dallas game and the Florida game IMO.
I would like to wind the clock back to when Ted Nolan was the coach and his decision to play Dubie over Ricky. Simply put Dubie was a far more reliable goalie then DiPietro. Ricky is capable of spectacular play, but is wildly inconsistent. The last time the Isles made the playoffs it was Dubie and not DiPietro who got them in.
I’ve said it before and I will say it again, the Islanders will never go anywhere as long as DiPietro is the starting goaltender.
by Isle Of Weight on Oct 24, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
DP is playing a lot becuse................
He is seen as the goalie of the future this But this will be Rollie’s last season IMO. However if we want to win more games this season we need to make Rollie #1 now. Snow wants to see if DP will improve with more play and besides he’s signed up for alot of dough for a very long time so its easy to see Wang’s shadow behind this decision. Komy is coming, he is the goalie of the future.
You guys are wrong...
I agree that Roloson is gone after this season. You cant count on Komy yet or anyone else in the system for that matter. It is vital to get DiPietro back in shape and playing well.
You guys are so quick to forget that in 4 healthy seasons pre injury, his save percentage was .908 while facing 6754 shots! Our defense those years, in case you need to be reminded. was abysmal.
Yes, that's the big factor. Rollie has an extremely slim chance of being resigned.
And at most would be a backup if resigned because of his age. That’s why the DP thing needs to be worked out asap. And it’s not like DP isn’t playing terrible. Just slightly subpar overall so far, and that was expected. Give it time and DP will play good or become the backup. That’s how I see it.
Go isles or Go home.
But We Can't Wait Forever
DP is not a prospect on a tryout he is a goalie that has a big and expensive contract. I like DP but we can’t wait too long for him to get some mojo back. He isn’t horrible, but I’m still nervous when he is guarding the crease, and I really don’t want to wait for him to get back into the flow of being a goaltending when I don’t know how good he will be when he reaches that level.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
What do you mean wait forever?
He is on a VERY LONG contract right now, and I’d much prefer to find out at what level of play he can play for us this year in 40starts+ then seeing him in a backup role this year and playing only 20gms and us going into next year on another tryout basis with him because he was never really tested this year. If we don’t experiment and push him now, it’s just prolonging the inevitable thing that must be done. I agree with Gordon’t decision to give DP his starts now for better or worse of the team. DP and we need to see what DP’s got to determine his future with the team, sooner then later. Would you prefer we do this next year when we could possibly be serious seed playoff contenders as opposed to now?
Go isles or Go home.
let's see if he can even play more than 8 games a season
and take it from there. As I understand it, if he retires due to injury, he gets paid out of insurance and there’s no cap hit.
There is only one logical reason...
For the Islanders injury woes, DiP and everyone else……
George W Bush
LOL
Just a Dissapointing Night
I wanted to see the Panthers ceremony too…
Just poor defensive performance from the team. There were not as aggresive defensively as they were in Tampa.
This game reminded me of a song near the end.
“Where ever you go, whatever you do, I will be right there waiting for you… Whatever it takes, or how my heart breaks, I will be right there waiting for you”
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
I wanted Rollie the Goalie
I love Rollie the Goalie and wanted him in tonight. But low and behold DP was in crease tonight. Nothing against DP, but Rollie is a beast while DP plays like an old man with bad knees.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
by pippup on Oct 24, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
what should happen
1 – DiPietro should get a $10,000 fine every time he handles the puck – there’s no way he should start more than half the games – he and Roloson should rotate for now and let the better goalie play 60% of the games after a month of that
DiPietro is not the goalie of the future – that’s Koskinen/Poulin/Eriksson – those guys aren’t far away
let’s not give away any more games this year
2 – Hamonic should be called up immediately – he can’t learn anything playing with scrubs in the A – bring him up
3 – Keep Nino on the squad
One more game for Nino before The Decision. I must say with each game he looks more adept at handling NHL assignments. The whole ELC-slide thing is one concern; in terms of this year’s Islanders, right now he helps.
I don’t know about that – does he really help right now? I think he plays reasonably well for an 18-year old, certainly not worse than one could realistically expect, and he shows that he’d have a few tools already to do some damage (his shot in particular). But his overall game struggles still quite a bit, and that’s only natural. It’s impossible to figure out everything in just a few games. But the bottom line is that he much rather hurts this team right now he helps. Again, that’s what rookies do and not enough of a reason to send him down – I could still see them keeping him, as they’ll do what they think will help him most long-term, but I’m quite sure they know he’s a relatively big liability out there for now.
Although I’m honestly not sure the scoring chances tell much more than Corsi, it’s pretty cool a whole bunch of guys does track scoring chances this season, and that way you get a pretty good impression of the results for the Islanders, too. The four games tracked thus far this season (Rangers, Capitals, Leafs, Panthers) don’t look very good for Nino. He’s gone 6-22 at even-strength in these four games, worst on the team, and from Corsi numbers it looks like at least three other games (Tampa is the exception) would probably have yielded about similar results. Only Jon Sim (4-11) has fewer chances for, and only Martinek (14-23) and Moulson (14-24) have given up more chances than Nino, but of course have got more ice-time generally and in much more difficult situations. Nino’s number is obviously awful by itself, but considering he’s got by far the most favourable zonestarts on the team (even ranks very high in the league), and he’s rarely played against tough comeptition, the results certainly make you wonder if it makes sense up here for him as well as for the team.
Not saying that these numbers will be key in the decision and certainly not that they’d remain on this level if they kept him, but I don’t think the areas he needs to improve on are that easily to figure out in just the next 10-20 games or so. The confidence would obviously grow, though, I’m not sure he feels quite comfortable in this kind of tryout-situation. But still, I don’t think you could expect him to really help this team anytime soon.
You and I must be watching different games
Nino is doing fine. And another thing to keep in mind. He got off to a very slow start scoring-wise in Portland as well. Turned the corner after his tenth game and absolutely blew everyone’s doors off. He is making the adjustment to the NHL and making it quite well in my view. Gordon certainly seems impressed. And who takes his roster spot if he is sent down?
Couldn't agree MORE, BC.....
…..despite his intermittent balance issues, Nino has shown increasing poise with each game – and should STAY…..
Nah, not watching different games, but perhaps different things. As I mentioned a few games ago, he’s doing fine as long he’s involved in the play. Whenever the puck is on his stick ready to be released or the guy in the corner ready to be hit, Nino’s right there, does the right thing and does it well. But every time the situation is not that obvious he struggles a bit. Without the puck, he sometimes doesn’t quite know what to do, whether to be aggressive and gets caught just skating around. With the puck, his decisions are not quite that quick and the passing lacks a bit. However, just generally, this stuff prevents him from making an impact in every game – in my opinion, he’s made a real impact in just one (at Tampa) thus far. And yeah, that’s the thing I watch – the fact that he’s got a good shot and is ready to compete every night are very important things, too, but we knew he’d not struggle there, didn’t we?
As for the adjustment, sure, he’s improving every game. I think a big step was after two, three games, when stopped skating around that much and has been quicker with his decisions since, too. And another one for me was the Tampa game as mentioned. I’m sure he’d make additional progress, the point you make about the slow start in Portland is certainly a good one. As mentioned, I don’t think he feels very comfortable in this tryout-situation and the confidence would certainly be a lot different if he got the ok to stay.
As for Gordon being impressed, I don’t know. Honestly, I think they’ve been pretty reserved all the way. “He didn’t disappoint” and similar stuff were the first quotes after the rookie camp, which is a bit, yeah, reserved, compared to what other GM’s, coaches have said about their kids. And lately, whenever asked about Nino, everyone would just mention his size and the fact that he’s got the strength to play on this level. That’s again not exactly euphoric – everyone can see he’s got the size. Obviously, this corresponds a bit to Snow’s and Gordon’s style, they don’t easily get too high on things, but still, I’m not sure they’re all that impressed, or if they chose the right route here because Nino probably would have appreciated some kind words through the press – that’s at least how it works in Switzerland…
me being me
I have watched him pretty carefully with and without the puck and I haven’t really noticed him being lost at all. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree about Gordon’s comments as well.
Being as objective as I can about Nino, the smart thing to do would be to keep him at least until Kyle comes back. That should give him more of a chance to adapt to the NHL game and also boost his self-confidence which has so impressed people from the beginning.
the smart thing to do would be to keep him at least until Kyle comes back
That isnt an option. Its either send him back or keep him the entire season- there is no keeping him until (insert whatever) because there would be nowhere to send him.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 25, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
actually
I do think the team CAN send him back to juniors anytime, but after nine games it counts as an ELC year, so there’s really no reason to do it that way, especially since he can’t be recalled after that until next season.
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Right- but why in the world would thety do THAT?
Blowing through an entire year of his contract, then not even keep him here? That would be absolutely nuts. No team does that.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 25, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
They would do that if...
they have confidence that he will show more between now and when Kyle comes back and if their hunch is that he will develop faster here and become a better player than if he is sent down now.
and they might also do it if
they have absolutely no confidence that enough other forwards will stay healthy long enough to keep the team competitive.
That was the same criticism
That Gordon had about Bailey his first two seasons. I think that Nino is progressing at a much faster rate than JB though. It really is a shame he’s not eligible for Bridgeport. It really would be perfect for him.
Some suspensions are worth it!!!
by Keith Quinn on Oct 25, 2010 9:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Interesting points
I don’t know about that – does he really help right now?
In terms of who his replacement would be right now, with the exception of maybe Matt Martin and even better Rhett (though going off of limited views there), I think yes, he helps. He appears by my eyes to be a third-line winger learning on the fly, so I’m not scared off by scoring chance data this early on. Don’t know if Weight and Grabner are an ideal combo for him, but heh, they’re an interesting one.
That doesn’t mean I’m sold on him staying; the development question is a big one.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey and MacDonald were important.
He appears by my eyes to be a third-line winger learning on the fly
Short term maybe. Long term he’s a top six, maybe a first liner. I thought Matt was injured. Don’t know that I am that sold on Rhett.
The development question is important and I am sure that this is one 18 yo who would be better off staying with the team. Initially Nino and Grabner are probably better off with Cap’n Dougie. Nino benefitted enormously from having solid mentoring at Portland. Eventually he might do better matched with Grabner and Frans.
Short term maybe. Long term he’s a top six, maybe a first liner.
Well yeah I was speaking of short-term! You don’t burn a 5th-overall pick on someone you hope makes a nice third-liner. I’m speaking of what he is now and likely to be for most of his rookie season (if he stays).
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey and MacDonald were important.
thing to remember about Nino
he’s a quick study. I would not be surprised to see him really explode over the next few months if he is allowed to stay. Rather have our problem then have Hall looking like he’s ready to go back to Windsor out in Alberta.
Well, yes, the scoring chance and Cosi data obviously is too small to tell anything about any player’s talent/quality at this point. But it still shows what actually happened on the ice just in these four (or eight) games – i.e. Grabner-Weight-Nino were outshot and outchanced massively despite getting rather easy assignments and very favourable zonestarts. However, whether it’s the combo or one of these three dragging the whole line down or anything else is impossible to tell. But this line has struggled and been lucky to get good goaltending more than anything.
I mean, I find the combo interesting, too, because I like each one of these guys. But something’s held them back – we can’t tell what, though. However, getting away from the numbers to what we actually see on the ice, my impression doesn’t change. I’ve not seen them creating enough situations where Grabner could use his speed, Weight his passing, Nino his shot. There were a couple and both led to goals and that probably shows how good their respective skills are, but yeah, they’ve not done enough with the puck for my liking. And taking into account that this line is unlikely to do very well without the puck, it’s been a problem indeed.
As said, they’ve had good moments and Weight found Nino in front of the net nicely twice, but again, that’s where Nino is doing just fine. It’s an obvious situation, his instincts tell him to go to the net and he does that very well and finishes very well indeed. But for example, I’m surprised Weight’s not been able to complete more passes to Nino generally. Weight really finds everyone everywhere. But them skating up the ice with the puck is often not very nice to watch. They seem to struggle to complete passes to each other and, well, I’d not primarily blame Weight for that… But yeah, that’s just a little thing I noticed.
However, Martin and Rakh would be two and at least in Martin’s case I’m pretty sure he’d be a bigger help right now. Can’t estimate Rakh, but would guess he’d do a little better just right now, too. And though I’ve never been high on him, I’d add Joensuu. And we could throw Hilbert in there, too, maybe others. Not saying at all that it would make more sense all things considered to call up one of these guys, but I’m quite confident each one of these guys would be able to held their own a bit better than Nino right now. So, again, just talking about him either helping or hurting the team right now, and there, it’s quite clearly the latter for me.
Based on all this you still could keep him, though, no doubt about that. Obviously, you should probably not send him down, if you think he’ll do better long-term up here learning on the job and if maybe at the same time you expect him to improve as much as to actually help this team indeed down the stretch. Other things, such as the contract and the roster situation, come into the equation and it’s a pretty tough decision indeed. Mainly for reasons stated some time ago, I personally would still prefer them to send him down, but hey, if they keep him, the games will be all the more fun to watch, so, that’s cool, too.
Again, someone else can comment who knows, but hasn’t Martin been injured? I think the key is that Nino is a VITAL piece of the Islander future and to the extent possible, Gordon should keep him here if in his estimation he will develop better here. So we seem to be on the same page after all.
Martin's on his way up now, actually
Filling in on emergency basis b/c Hunter and now Grabner are hurt.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey and MacDonald were important.
darn
Your signature is going to be longer than your posts if this keeps up, Dom.
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Indeed
But I think I’d have to change the word “important” if I start including Grabner in the sig.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey and MacDonald were important.
"You say that like having players on your team was important."
^ above also applies to New Jersey Devils commenters
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Oh no
When his handling backfires, it reminds me of that outfielder with the cannon arm who constantly skips his cutoff man, sometimes ending in a highlight-reel putout and sometimes ending in a two-base error.
DiPietro is FRANCOEUR
Let's never bunt again.
that means DICOEUR.. does the room at least look good?
I'm a mets, jets, islander, and terps fan. Also known as a glutton for perennial punishment.
I liked Frenchie.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 24, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i was fine with him too. now he’s smiling all the way to the World Series. DP looking more like an Ollie situation. too much money, not enough performance, won’t leave the big leagues.
Jesus, no. Ollie is the exact opposite of a team player.
Did you see Rick bitching when he was sent to Bridgeport to get warmup games?
Big fat no to that comparison.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 25, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ollie refused to even go, the dick.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 25, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we missed Bailey
I missed the last couple of games before Saturday nights game, but it seemed like the team was lacking the effort as a whole. Florida was beating us to the puck and really outplayed us, it seemed they controlled play a little better. I thought Bailey had been a big reason the Isles played in the O zone in the 1st couple fo games, and his absence was a big reason for the lack of O zone time
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Oct 25, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
Agree on Bailey, but disagree on lack of effort and Florida outplaying the Isles.
Actually, the 2nd and 3rd period in this game were just about their best periods over the last three games in my opinion. Some bounces simply didn’t go their way and they ultimately also might have lacked a bit of quality with Bailey and obviously a few other guys out. Apart from JT’s line there was not much there in terms of creating offense, and starting that slowly and giving up such goals makes it very tough to win points. They’d still almost have done it thanks to fantastic special-team showings.
why the hate??
What is with all the hatin’ on Ricky and Bruno?? You would think that either A) they are the worst goalie and defenseman in NHL history; or B) they play for the Rags. Try to remember back, if you can, to those wonderful days in the mid 2000’s when we were not all that good and Ricky still put up decent numbers. he did not get a lot of help back then, and still won more games than he lost. In 2003-4 he posted 2.36 GAA and .911 SP; in 2005-6 we were 25th out of 30 in GF; in 2006-7 we were 12th and Ricky posted a 2.58 GAA and a .919 SP. And now everyone acts as though Ricky is single-handedly costing us a playoff spot after only 8 games. Can’t we chill a bit, and give him a chance. I don’t know about anyone else, but Rollie does not stop 2 of the 4 goals Florida scored due to screens in front. And can anyone be so sure that that big , juicy rebound would not have been there if Rollie was in goal?? I love Rollie too, but he cannot play every game, folks, so you should get behind the WHOLE team and stop the hatin’.
by upstateislesfan on Oct 25, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
it ain't hate
Simply put, the better and healthier goalie deserves the start. Rick’s stats from 03-07 don’t help this team in 2010. He was out 2 years with a serious inhury and it shows. Warm-ups is for pre-season (which wang messed up with his cancelled China trip) and rehab stints are for Bridgeport (which Rick doesn’t appear to believe necessary). Ask Philly and Rangers what 1 point meant last year and then you’ll know the effects of a big, juicy rebound come mid April.
Anyone see the Vikings/Packers game?
Nostalgia gets you beat…and DP was no Favre before the injuries. Again, I don’t think people hate HIM. They hate the fact that he’s playing so much. I’m sure he’s a fine young man! Rollie’s lifetime numbers are even better than DPs. Why all the DP justification? The
Some suspensions are worth it!!!
by Keith Quinn on Oct 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe
but you still don’t know if a juicy rebound would have been left by Rollie do you?? and who says it is Rick’s decision not to go to Bridgeport?? I really think we have gotten a little ahead of ourselves expecting playoffs at this point. Would you have Rollie start EVERY game?? And who backs up while Ricky is in Bridgeport BTW? And who says Ricky isn’t healthy he looks pretty healthy to me.
by upstateislesfan on Oct 25, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
who says it is Rick’s decision not to go to Bridgeport??
What are you even talking about with that?
Rick can only “go to Bridgeport” if the New York Islanders waived him!!!!
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 25, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yes and we aren't there yet by a long shot
Maybe someone knows. What is the most DP has played without injuring his knee in the past few years? If he can get past that marker by a significant margin, we can hope that his health will sustain a season at least.
What is the most DP has played without injuring his knee
looks like 07-08.
he played 13 games in Feb 08 (7-5-1)
then played 4 games (0-4) from March 8-15, 2008
the only players still on the team from that year [who played more than 10 games] were Hunter, Comeau, Martinek and Gervais. No Gordon staff yet – nearing the end of Ted Nolan days. Most guys in the current locker room haven’t played much with the guy.
I guess I mean since he first injured his knee
His first surgery was during the summer of 2008. His longest stint seems to have been 8 games last year. He’s played in five games this year, not counting exhibition, so he is approaching critical mass. We will see.
roomz post seemed to imply that Rick did not feel it necessary to go to Bridgeport, as if it was up to him. that was the reason for my reply.
by upstateislesfan on Oct 25, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Roloson
Does any one know that Roloson, in 13 NHL seasons, has only had 4 winning seasons?? His lifetime record is 192-217-74. These are not exactly HOF numbers we’re talking about here. Last year he was 23-18-7 with a GA of 3.00 (not great) and a SP of .907 (near the bottom among goalies with 50+ games). While I admit the Islanders were not a great team last year, these are still very pedestrian numbers. And i suggest that Ricky’s numbers compare VERY favorbly to Rollie’s best seasons. Again, I love rollie too, but this does not change the fact that he is not Superman.
by upstateislesfan on Oct 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
His lifetime numbers
are still better than DP as far as Sv% and GAA go. Also, his entire career has been on awful teams sans the year Edmonton went to the finals. He played for the expansion Wild and us. He’s been given about the same lot that DP was dealt. Rollie is no Miller, but RDP is worse lifetime than most starting goalies and many backups.
Brent Johnson 2.62/.904
JS Giguere 2.52/.913
Mike Smith 2.70/.906
Steve Mason 2.67/.908
Pascal Leclaire 2.90/.903
Curtis McElhinney 3.11/.901
Chris Mason 2.57/.913
Brian Elliot 2.67/.906
Dan Ellis 2.68/.911
RDP 2.80/.905
Rollie 2.65/.910
Some suspensions are worth it!!!
Calgary Actually
Then Buffalo. 58 starts two seasons in Cal both of which were transition years (Iginla runner up to Berard for rookie of the year). Then 23 starts two seasons in Buffalo.
Some suspensions are worth it!!!

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