Islanders Gameday: Life without Andrew MacDonald; honoring The Architect
Goodness Andrew MacDonald, what a year it's been. Twelve months ago he was in Bridgeport, earning "next in line" status but not getting another NHL sniff until November, called up when Brendan Witt attended to family matters. By February with 32 games under his belt he'd left an impression of consistent quality. And now, not even 10 months since he truly "arrived," his injury leaves a mark on the Islanders for the next 4 to 6 weeks.

New York Islanders (4-1-2, 1st/Atl) at Florida Panthers (2-3, 5th/SE)
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Colossus of Dander: Litter Box Cats
This is not A-Mac's first tough break at the NHL level: He ended last season with a broken foot. But for the Islanders, there is a significant difference this time: Whereas last year's injury came right as Andy Sutton had been sold as scrap metal -- leaving the Islanders to rely on the likes of Dylan Reese, Dustin Kohn and Mark Flood -- this time the Islanders were already carrying eight men who make their living as NHL defensemen.
Jack Hillen, an impressive regular last season, steps into the void.
MacDonald has played most with Milan Jurcina this year, and Hillen in his two previous games paired with former Sound Tiger teammate MacDonald; so look for if and how Scott Gordon adjusts the pairings.
The Isles have played just two more games than the Panthers, but their games have featured a full 20 more goals. (Goal Difference: NYI - 23-19; FLA - 13-9). That doesn't really mean anything, but it's kinda cute, don't you think? We sure haven't lacked for goals in the Isles games we've watched this year.
The Panthers Defense: Stretched
Derek Zona, whom you might have read at Oilers blog Orange Copper & Blue, is one of those guys taking on the scoring chance project this year, and he's tracking the Panthers. He's observed two things I want to note here: 1) The Panthers outplayed their opponent for their first four games -- before a disastrous meeting with Dallas; and 2) The Dmitry Kulikov - Bryan McCabe pairing has had some rough spots.
I'd add to this that Mike Weaver was a nice under-the-radar summer signing for the Panthers. Weaver's one of those guys who begins NHL life as a "depth defenseman" and makes the necessary realization of what niche he can carve to keep a steady NHL job. For Weaver that's been as a defensively sound, no-frills guy who can be a go-to guy for your penalty kill. But asking him to be your main shut-down guy next to Jason Garrison or Keaton Ellerby is a bit much.
So I'd venture that even with their injuries the Islanders are the better team here and have an opportunity to exploit the Panthers and sweep Florida for the first time since 2001. However, that sweep was the only time in history they've pulled it off, the Panthers have played well in 4 of 5, and they should be refocused after laying an egg at home against Dallas.
And not for nothing: The Lightning got back to their winning ways last night. The Isles of course squeaked out an OT win over Tampa Bay the other night, and these Panthers destroyed them 6-0 on opening night. Any given Sunday...
Bowtie Bill Torrey: The Architect
What more can Islanders fans say of Bill Torrey? Simply, he is living legend. If you're a younger fan, just know he built this franchise and is chiefly responsible for its greatest success. He might have done the same for Oakland, Calif., when they had an NHL team with an awesome '70s logo, but his owner there was a bit of a...uh, "character," and they soon parted ways (and that team moved to Cleveland, incidentally, where they had another awesome look).
So Torrey came to the expansion Islanders, began a slow and steady build through the draft, and hired one of the greatest coaches in sports (and the reason I'm an Isles fan), Al Arbour, to grow with them. The results are hanging throughout the rafters in the Coliseum.
Thanks to the kind of derelict ownership that's marked much of this franchise's history, Torrey was forced out in the early '90s. He thought he was retiring to Florida. The Miami Herald's On Frozen Pond beatwriter blog has a great summary of how "retirement" didn't last, and Torrey found himself building another expansion team, the Panthers.
Torrey will honored tonight as the Isles visit, with the two most important teams in his life each undertaking the kind of methodical reconstruction he initiated for both franchises at their founding. I hope he likes what he sees; the long-suffering fans of both franchises deserve a big payoff for time served. (That's right: Time served. Do you realize Panthers fans haven't seen the playoffs in ten years? Don't bash a market until you've walked in their shoes.)
Lineup Notes
So A-Mac is out, Hillen is in, and Scott Gordon said yesterday that Josh Bailey is a gametime decision. He can play, they just worry whether the wrong collision would create a setback on his hip pointer. It would be nice to see him back out there with Blake Comeau (who some of us theorize is banged up after taking lumps in three straight games).
Whether Bailey's back affects the center situation and everything else. The Doug Weight-Michael Grabner-Nino Niederreiter line has made for fun watching as a little secondary threat. You've got the old captain guiding the Youngest Islander Ever and the enigmatic but promising Panther-for-a-moment Grabner. Nino has two games left before Decision Time, by the way. Which way are you leaning? Regardless of personal preference, my money is on the Isles keeping him.
In goal, Gordon spoke of both goalies getting time in Florida, so I'm betting on Dwayne Roloson for tonight. But you never know.
First Goal: Pick 'em
Do not leave your picks here -- leave them in the game thread, unless you won't be there -- but there seems to be support for JP (VA chapter)'s suggestion of a first goal pool each game. The format is: Name,Time of Goal (time is the tiebreaker). We'll keep track during the season, and I'll figure out some kind of honor for the seasonlong winner. Just a fun thing to do here and nurture the community we have going here...
...strictly for entertainment purposes, of course. Gambling is illeeeeegal at Bushwood.
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and have an opportunity to exploit the Panthers and sweep Florida for the first time since 2001. However, that sweep was the only time in history they’ve pulled it off,
Much like the early awful Ottawa Teams, the Panthers are one of those teams that the Isles eternally struggle with. I always thought it was because the 94 Isles made the playoffs, beating the Panthers for the spot by a single point. It might have been a little more interesting (and less heart breaking) had the Panthers led by Beezer played the Oile Rangers that year.
After the 2nd Period of Opening Night "Best Period of the year" DevonPSU
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Tougher games ahead on the road in near term. This is a team the Isles should beat, no letdown..show continued progress w a Win
by 7:11_OT on Oct 23, 2010 8:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
nice tip of the cap ...
to the architect. i’m assuming radar will be there since he lives down there. i hope the proceedings are carried on msg+++++++37.
the blend of wisdom, intense competitive spirit, class and success those two giants brought as a tandom cannot be found anywhere in sports anymore. at least i don’t see it. call me a wimpy ass, a girlie-man, whatever, i don’t care, when one of these events happens for those 2 guys and that team, i literally get choked up everytime. even just thinking about it beforehand. i love the yankees and i love the football giants just as i do the islanders. but i don’t know what it is – how old i was when they were born, how close they were to where i grew up, the ‘original mets-like’ haplessness of the early years – the depth of the passion i have for this team surpasses all else. even when they suck.
Goal pick 'em
Are we doing first goal or first ISLANDER goal? Also for convenience I can make/email you a spreadsheet or something to track. (Because I’m a nerd like that). Let me know.
Some suspensions are worth it!!!
by Keith Quinn on Oct 23, 2010 10:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yes!
I am all for help from nerds.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey and MacDonald were important.
Are we doing first goal or first ISLANDER goal?
I’m inclined to do first ISLANDER goal, but I guess it doesn’t matter? Maybe JP or someone else with a firmer opinion on this can weigh in.
Two Rules I Know:
- Pick must be made before the 1st period opens
- Try to put all the picks in the same comment/subthread (so, REPLY to the first pick) within the gamethread.
I think to start off, we should make it where you have to post it in the game thread, so it also works as a kind of roll call. I’ll start posting the gamethreads a little earlier. (30 minutes before puck drop?) As usual, I haven’t thought this through all the way and am open to suggestions.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey and MacDonald were important.
I really don't have an opinion...
but the first night people were picking Bolts players, and nobody’s feelings were hurt… so I would say both teams are open!
YES: First or second thread, depending on where the Beer of the night falls…. an excellent roll call…
I was thinking that anybody who is a First Goal Pool winner should get some Isles swag…. I’m going to make soem phonecalls to Islanders Public Relations this week… I expect the phone call to go something like this.
NYI: Hello, NYI, This is tammy, how can I help you.
JP: Hi Tammy. I’m calling on behalf of one of the NYI Blog communities, and I’d like to speak to somebody in public relations or merchandising.
NYI: Please hold.
JP[listening to Yanni for about 8 mins]: jeeez
NYI: Hello, NYI, This is tammy, how can I help you.
JP: Hi Tammy… this is JP, you just put me on hold for the Public relations department.
NYI: Oh… we don’t have a public relations department…
JP: Then why did you put me on hold.
NYI: That’s what I do to everybody that calls…one second please…[puts down phone] WANDA, ARE THOSE DOUBLE WHOPPERS DONE YET… THAT GUY HAS BEEN SITTING OUT THERE FOR 20 MINUTES!!!!…. hello…
JP: Tammy… is this a Burger King?
NYI: Yeah… we share the customer service line with the Islanders… We don’t get many calls anyway, and it was cool when they used to send Nate Thompson over to pick up lunch.
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan
Should be our 5th win.
Individuals don't win Championships, Teams do.
Chase for 28 in 2011
Get Off My Mound
I Love Grabner
I have said it a few times on these boards but I’ll say it again. Grabner is so couragous. He tries to wiggle right through opposing players without thinking twice. Since Okposo is gone, Grabner is definetly my favorite player(I love underrated players).
All who oppose Grabner shall perish!
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
Impressed
Graber has certainly made a good impression with me. I remember the collective snickers of the hockey world when Garth Snow was made the GM, but pick-up’s like Moulson and now Grabner are ensuring that Snow and the Isles continue to have the last laugh!
Shawn Bates will never die....so long as we remember THE penalty shot!
I sometimes wonder if part of GS' evaluation process...
…is him sitting down with the tape and thinking, “Do I see this guy doing things I wouldn’t like to see if I were in the net?”
More power to him if he uses every mental tool he’s got in the evaluation process!
Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.
Not much to evaluate...
It’s a waiver wire pickup. When he passes through the teams above you, if he fits in your budget and he can help your team… YOU PICK HIM UP. After that I think all the evaluation is done by the coaching staff.
The curious thing about Grabner is why VAN gave up on him, FL saw no use for him and I believe three teams had to pass on him (EDM/TOR/CBJ). Botta posted that it was because he was a slow starter…
…I hope that’s true because that would mean we should expect close to a point per game production from him later in the season. SAAAWEET!
I think the real bonus for the Isles will be if he can be a bigger part of special teams… especially the PK… it’s nice to have two speedy forwards on the PK.. it makes the opposing points cautious which slows down puck movement…. and if they’re not cautious… SH GOALS in bunches. good things to look forward to if his thin frame can last a full season of coliseum ice, their HUGE division opponents and Dom’s community projections.
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan
That one has me puzzled too:
The curious thing about Grabner is why VAN gave up on him, FL saw no use for him and I believe three teams had to pass on him (EDM/TOR/CBJ). Botta posted that it was because he was a slow starter…
Well, FL will get a closer look at him again tonight. Hope he makes them regret it!
My earlier comment was just humorous speculation on the potential advantages of being a goaltender GM, not meant seriously a’tall.
if his thin frame can last a full season of coliseum ice
That’s one I’m going to be watching for too.
Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.
I Feel Bad Betting...
But my vote is for Grabner. I’m just in a Grabner mood today.
I always lose when I bet.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
For the love of god let vokoun rest today,
he’s been tearing it up to start the season mostly. Him in the net could make the game interesting, but him out of it should mean a somewhat easy win for us. I won’t be posting in the game thread because my family got tickets for a standup comedian tonight, so I’m watching the replay at midnight eastern time. Let’s go isles!
Go isles or Go home.
tonight's first Islanders goal...
at 9 minute mark…Matt Moulson
Isles twitter says bailey's out tonight and hillen's in on d.
Another game bailey sits.
Go isles or Go home.
Bummer, but smart
Glad they’re taking it slow with Bailey.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey and MacDonald were important.
wont be around to pick on jp's post
but i’ll go with Moulson from Wizzer and Weight on the pp at 11:11 (should have been wizzer but will go in off of matt’s knee)
also, this whole SD awful video feed makes me insane, i just watched a girls high school soccer game in HD on MSG Varsity, Eastern Christian vs Pompton Lakes, sure it was only 1 camera but still! there’s no way they have more viewership than us… right?
a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)
When it's MSG, the SD stands for
SUBstandard definition. =/
Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.
Sounds like DiPietro is getting the start tonight…
No surprise: No. 1 goaltender Rick DiPietro gets another start. Dwayne Roloson isn’t just the best No. 2 in the league, he’s better than half of the No. 1s.
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
Saw this on FB earlier...
For tonight’s game vs the Florida Panthers:
-Goaltender Rick DiPietro getting the start.
-Forward Josh Bailey (hip pointer) will not play.
-Defenseman Jack Hillen will be in the lineup.
My thoughts:
1. Not disappointed in RDP’s start in tampa… he played well… but somebody please tell me when he earned the bulk of work in goal. Just sayin’.
2. I’m guessing htat they will err on the side of caution with JB while Nino is still a freebie. This is what makes the Nino decision even harder. If they choose to keep him the roster is going to look like one of those circus volkswagons where clowns just keep coming out… but in htis case players will be facing waivers, demotions and false ceilings. I don’t envy their decisions.
3. It will be good to see Hillen… but I honestly didn’t want to see anybody removed from that starting 6 on D. Wow… the Islanders have vastly improved their defense!
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan
Just a guess, but maybe the idea is to see if Rick can handle a full time starter schedule now? They are trying to break down DP now instead of going lightly and having a setback in a few months.
After the 2nd Period of Opening Night "Best Period of the year" DevonPSU
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
And that buys you....?
Break down now… give your second best goalie the bulk of starts so that he sits out the bulk of games on his $4.5M ass… have to play Rollie 90% of the time with AHL backup and he breaks down too.
Break down later… You get Rollie the bulk of work (6-7/10), team sees meritocracy at work… maybe extend both seasons until after the new year when you have THREE guys in the AHL that may merit a look.
Nobody breaks down… and you just keep “rollin” out the hot hand. Ricky looks okay, but the numbers don’t lie… and while Rollie’s 41 year old ass was out there PROVING ITSELF last year Ricky’s was in REHAB…
AGAIN…THIS IS NOT RICKY’S FAULT, NOR DO I BLAME ANY OF THIS ON HIM… This is just pure common sense, and for some reason this team must stray from the sensible.
On the other hand…
Rollie did say that it was taking him longer to work out “tweaks”(I believe that is the word he used in a post game) so maybe this is a case of … I can’t believe I’m saying htis… Ricky is the HEALTHIER ONE!
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan
I think with Rollie’s contract coming up, this might be the make or break year on a decision on Rick. So rather then aim for a 40/40 split, they are trying to get to 50/30 (or so) to see if DP can survive a stressful season.
What it buys you is the ability to go into next season knowing that Rick can start. We are all high on Mikko, but he still might take time to acclimate to the game, so it’ll be better to know that he can be worked in slowly while Rick takes on most of the work then to have DiP play 40 games this year, get hurt early next year and suddenly it’s into the fire with Mikko.
Obviously just my opinion. It could also be the competitor in DP wants to make all these starts.
After the 2nd Period of Opening Night "Best Period of the year" DevonPSU
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Isles have no cards in this hand...
this might be the make or break year on a decision on Rick
Webby,
I see your point… but I don’t think the Isles have any decision to make, unless they break him…literally.
Unless he goes down for good the only choice they have is to buy him out after this year (or any subsequent year) and do you really want to have the Isles strapped with even a $1M hit for 20 YEARS?
I’d like to think that they would try to keep him healthy, prove he can be a serviceable 1A until he breaks down. They are going to have to develop goalies and/or bring in UFA’s every year. There’s no getting around it.
So… basically… maybe they sent Jon Sim out there to break his leg in the pre-season, because that would probably save Wang over $10M. I’d bet that contract is insured… but not because of mediocrity.
I should send Wang an email… I have freinds that would do it for a lot cheaper than what they are paying Sim. Hell Jeff Gallooly did it for a little trailer trash tail.
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan
If he goes down again with something serious (not just swelling of the knee which knocked him out last year) then the possibility of him retiring does exist.
Also, I should have mentioned this, but the Health of DP also works into the long term plans with Rollie. I think Rollie can start for 1 more season, but there’s the trade deadline and the possibility that he might be worth a high draft pick to the right team (Sharks?) depending on how the Islanders are doing.
After the 2nd Period of Opening Night "Best Period of the year" DevonPSU
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
We are all high on Mikko,
Some of us are even higher on Poulin! :)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 23, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
yahoo article
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ac-6995802#mwpphu-container just wondering if this has been seen/discussed here, or deemed not worth the wasted time…
by isles in arkansas on Oct 23, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
Tongue in cheek...
I read this article last night and took it to be rather tongue in cheek. Underneath all that sarcasm I believe is praise for the team because they are finally getting it right after getting it wrong for so many years after getting it right for so many years before that. Wow, I think I just made myself dizzy LOL! Other wise I didn’t pay the article too much attention. I remember the year my Seahawks made it to the SuperBowl and Rick Reilly wrote some really obnoxious article slamming the ’Hawks and all their fans and I got really bent out of shape about it. But with age comes wisedom, so now I just take stuff like that with a grain of salt. And in this case it is a lot easier because I believe all Isles fans will be sitting on top of the hockey world for the first time in a generation very very soon!
Shawn Bates will never die....so long as we remember THE penalty shot!
There were some comments about it on another thread.
General consensus was that it’s not worth responding to or using mental energy on. It’s poorly written and borderline plagiarizes from a few of it’s sources.
Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.
if this has been seen/discussed here, or deemed not worth the wasted time…
Both, actually!
I don’t think it’s tongue in cheek. I think it’s just really poor writing with Yahoo lipstick painted on it. They bought Associated Content and just launched a bunch of similarly themed sports articles like that, all of them of the same dubious quality. Wysh at Puck Daddy was none too pleased with how it’s all packaged.
The first five Associated Content articles I’ve seen there don’t offend me as a hockey fan; they offend me as a writer.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey and MacDonald were important.
Ouch...
Excuse Me, Mon-see-or Proust…No ur Right, Poorly Written and Researched…••••Ranger Fans Probably LOVED It…
"Oh no sir, this has been embarassing for quite some time. " ~Bagger Vance
by BloggerVance on Oct 23, 2010 5:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
even the Ranger fans in the comments seemed embarrassed… wow!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 23, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Wysh at Puck Daddy was none too pleased with how it’s all packaged.
And well he should be – he and the other Yahoo Sports writers have been working their asses off to get Yahoo Sports taken seriously for the last several years, and now that their efforts are finally showing fruit, Yahoo does this to them?
When I click the “more news” link on a Yahoo Sports hub, I don’t want to see poorly written, poorly edited Associated Content posts in the mix. ESPECIALLY since there’s no disclaimer anywhere explaining what they are, and “Associated Content” is SO close to “Associated Press” and “Associated Free Press”, which are VALID journalistic organizations…real easy for people to get confused!
Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.
"Associated Content" is SO close to "Associated Press" and "Associated Free Press", which are VALID journalistic organizations…real easy for people to get confused!
That is IMO the most inexcusable part of it.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 23, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like the Judean People’s Front, and the People’s Front of Judea — very confusing.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey and MacDonald were important.
LifeLong Isles Fan, Recent Reader, ThreadNewbie...
Thought FirstGoal Picks went in GameThread..? Will Save Mine for Thread…
Glad Hillen Broke Top6, Though Circumstances Could Have Been Better. Caution with ‘Bump’ Seems Wise, He’s Really been Throwin His Body ’round First Coupla Weeks…
Seem to Remember DP havin Trouble with Tampa(?) Thus Rolo..?
Might watch Isles on Replay (Lotta Good Games Tonight) but will Follow Game in Thread…Go (1st Place) Isles !!!
"Oh no sir, this has been embarassing for quite some time. " ~Bagger Vance
by BloggerVance on Oct 23, 2010 5:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Welcome aboard!
[Not that I’m the owner of this space, but it’s always nice to see new people here]
And you’re right, the “first goal” picks go in the game thread. However, if you cannot make it to this uptopia as the game is ongoing, you can leave the pick here and it’ll still count. See comments above for more details. Void where prohibited. Charges may apply. May cause Vokounism, Dvorak Spasms, and McCabe Shin Splints. ;-)
Now with as many points than the Rangers and Devils... COMBINED.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Oct 23, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Live in Jersey...
Know 3 Islander Fans, So Good to get Some Isles News and Chatter…
"Oh no sir, this has been embarassing for quite some time. " ~Bagger Vance
by BloggerVance on Oct 23, 2010 7:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And welcome (belatedly)!
Thanks for joining.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey and MacDonald were important.
I'm trying to collect the FGP picks here...
and will incorporate them in my first post. I started it… and didn’t really mean to make more work for Dom.
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan
Oh yeah... and welcome aboard!
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan
As of right now bob1
is the only guy who declared they would not be here for the game thread… did I miss anybody?
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan
game thread is in full effect...
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan

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