Islanders 3, Lightning 2 (OT): Isles 1st in East...and why not?
by Dominik on Oct 22, 2010 12:58 AM EDT
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The question: If a team is outplayed twice in a row yet wins both games, is it luck, or the mark of a good team?
You know what? We don't have to worry about that tonight. The Islanders with their 3-2 OT win in Tampa Bay are in first place in the Eastern Conference. It doesn't matter how early it is (seven games) or how OT-dependent it's been (2 OTW, 1 OTL, 1 SOL), just like it doesn't matter to others that they've done it without Mark Streit and Kyle Okposo, not to mention Rob Schremp and multiple games without John Tavares or Josh Bailey: Islanders fans have paid their dues in spades; all deserve to enjoy this moment as is.
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The Islanders allowed waaaay too many breakaways and way too many outside rushes to the Lightning's speedy forwards. They also killed off a poorly called full two-minute 5-on-3 (Bless you, Frans). They scored on their own 5-on-3, then wasted a 1:53 OT 4-on-3 powerplay (well, almost: Matt Moulson's winner went in right after the penalty expired). They conceded a goal to former Islander Sean Bergenheim, but accepted key goals from two offseason wing additions in P.A. Parenteau and Michael Grabner.
It was a mixed game. It was a game teams with something to say sometimes win anyway.
And that's not even getting to the bizarre ending: A puck that fluttered over the goal line in mid air, but was swiped out by an acrobatic Dan Ellis, remained in play for a good 90 seconds until the next whistle. Then came the intensive video review which lasted some 10 minutes. [The St. Pete Times has a nice recap of that scenario with quotes from the NHL War Room and from TBL GM Steve Yzerman conceding it was the right call.]
Intuitively, you knew by replay it had gone in; but it was one of those "can they conclusively overrule the on-ice call based on available evidence?" type of reviews. Turns out yes, yes they can.
Moulson's Crazy Winner and Review
Game Highlights
The winning goal credited to Matt Moulson; the victory credited to a shot-blocking PK, solid Rick DiPietro play, and some good fortune. This wasn't a repeat of the Roloson-dependent performance in Toronto, but the Isles were outshot 12-4 in the third -- right after they'd survived the absurd 5-on-3 in the second with the game still tied at 2-2. DiPietro held his end of the bargain.
Random Notes of Gaiety and Mild Concern
- Upon further review, Doug Weight's pass from behind the net to Nino Niederreiter on Michael Grabner's early first period goal was pretty ridiculous. Apparently, the hands are the last to go.
- Sean Bergenheim: Two breakaways. Really?! Two breakaways. He made mince meat of DiPietro's aborted pokecheck on the first breakaway, slipping it inside the post to DP's right. But the second breakaway, DiPietro stayed patient with him the entire way and shut the door on a modest deke.
- Martin St. Louis left the Islanders in the dust multiple times with his speed and diminutive elusiveness. On his goal, the victim was Mike Mottau, but multiple parties were victimized throughout the night.
- The 5-on-3: Another conversion for the Isles, this time after James Wisniewski half-whiffed on a shot, turning it into a pass to the "PAP Spot" where P.A. Parenteau slammed it home. Bizarrely, one ref thought of waiving it off, even though Matt Moulson was clearly outside the crease and Dan Ellis initiated any contact between the two.
- Radek Martinek again drew the bulk of EV assignments against Steven Stamkos, St. Louis and company. I honestly couldn't tell if it was him or others on the ice for their best chances, but it seemed overall the Islanders defense was caught being too far up ice.
- Speaking of that: Personally I didn't notice much effect from Guy Boucher's vaunted "1-3-1." I did wonder early on if some of the Islanders' long shots from center ice (i.e. icing distance) to Ellis' goal were designed to try to jog the Lightning out of their typical roles. (That's never a threatening maneuver, of course, but when a team does something surprising it can get players thinking rather than acting naturally.) The Lightning announcers and coaching staff certainly found their team's effort lacking in the first period. Boucher afterward: "To be honest with you, I didn't care about the review," Boucher said. "We didn't come out in the first period. We didn't skate. We didn't battle. Half our bench wasn't there. Unacceptable." Ouch.
- Balance? The Islanders' scoring remains remarkably balanced through seven games: 12 players have goals, Parenteau still leads the team with 7 points, Moulson has 4 goals already, Nielsen is playing 18 minutes a game and starting in his own zone way more often than not. (Okay, that Frans note isn't scoring-related, but what he's doing is important in allowing the rest of the team to do what they're doing.)
- Nielsen had two 45-second shifts during that huge 2-minute 5-on-3 kill. The Lightning powerplay partly did itself in, but Nielsen's blocking and disruption at the point were an important assist.
- Andrew MacDonald left the game early and didn't return; Blake Comeau looked hurt after a collision with the post
but skated fine in OT. [EDIT: At first, I thought I may have been hallucinating. I could've sworn I saw Comeau in OT but the NHL timesheet says nicht. However, it was probably during the "fake" post-goal time that was wiped from the record and essentially didn't happen. Strang also says Comeau played in OT and is fine.
All in all, winning games where you were worried all game is kind of nice, no?
Insta-Links: Reactions
- Wonce Again says DiPietro is back, baby.
- As far as illustration goes, 7th Woman and I had similar ideas.
- IPB Recap
- The Rivalry with some fun thoughts on IPB Night at Social
- Dad's Trip: The official site with its rendition; Mottau says he never got to do this with the Devils. (Presumably because Lou hates fun.)
- Finally, a heartfelt thanks to all of your responses in the LHH birthday post. I didn't meant to solicit that, but man you know I was happy that's how it turned out. Very cool of you.
In case it wasn't clear, the Isles remain in first. If they want to make something of this season when two of their best players come back, grabbing points early like this is HUGE. And really, really fun.
Pluses/Minuses and all other reactions are always encouraged. Random emissions of "woohoo!" too.
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Dom
youre always staying up until the game highlights are up on nhl.com to do your post games arent you?
In part
Though sometimes I just have to revel in the game for a while, too. ;) Or attend to the things I was putting off throughout the game.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
quick hits
RDP -good for him, solid game, thought he should have had the MSL goal, but made up for it with other stops
Weight is completely reborn, hope his legs keep it up the whole season, looks fantastic
PAP enjoys turning the puck over, but knows what to do with it in the offensive zone
When I watch Grabner, for some reason I see the ghost of Martin Straka in the fishsticks uni
Nino -tough decision here, he looks like he belongs, need to commit to his ice time for development if they keep him
JT looks much stronger on his skates, more confident in his role at C
This team, with the exception of Sim, who I like for what he brings, can bury the puck when the opportunity presents itself, so different than wanting to kill myself watching the team 2-3 years ago
First place baby, they don’t give out points for form, feels great
Grabner is quickly becoming one of my favorites. He made a couple of good plays on the back check last night too. He looks like he fits in well on this team.
Grabner Rocks
He is definetly one of my favorites. He plays like an NHLer. Grabner has no fear when facing opposing players and tries to squeeze right through them. He plays hard every night. I was overjoyed when he scored last night and had the thought, “what if I bought a Grabner jersey?”. But then I remembered that I don’t know if he will be here next season, but I want to keep him so badly.
Grabner
I loved it when i saw that the islanders picked him up on waivers. he was even one of the guys i would try to trade for in NHL 11 haha. but yeah hes looking great out there. hopefully he is keeps up the good play and is back next season
That's the jersey problem thing with me too.
I’d love a wiz jersey, but I’m not buying a jersey of a guy that would only be a 1yr islander. Time will tell on my next jersey choice, lol.
Go isles or Go home.
Jurcina, etc.
As you might know, I thought Jurcina had been pretty solid overall from the beginning, but this game last night was his best yet. In my opinion, he was the best Islander in this game, certainly the best defender and actually played just about as much against Stamkos/St Louis as Martinek. He was breaking up plays all over the place, doing a great job on the PK, hardly giving any pucks away and just being an incredibly calm and poised figure back there. He might have lost a couple of speed battles, too, obviously, but was less guilty of exposing him to such races than others thanks to his reach and positioning.
Less convinced of PA this time, though. I thought that this was probably his worst game 5-on-5, really losing quite a few puck battles and giving the puck away too often. He’s irreplaceable on the PP, though, thanks to his ability to move the puck as well as his right-handed shot.
On the other hand, Nino had probably his best game yet. Actually the first game in my opinion he was able to make an impact on a majority of his shifts – very promising.
Just like last season, I thought Comeau-JT-Moulson wasn’t working very well. They’re just not clicking in my opinion and the problem might be that Moulson would normally be the left winger on this line, but Comeau is much more effective coming down the left side, too. They often lined up with Comeau on the left last night, but ended up all over the place a few times. Additionally, Comeau had poor game individually.
I thought Jurcina would become my new Bruno Gervais after the first 4 games (the player that I hate to watch and wonder what the coaches see in him) but he did play really well last night. He was very impressive.
Among his other talents, I think Jurcina has an unheralded knack for keeping the puck in the offensive zone when on the attack – I’ve seen him make a lot of nifty plays to maintain offensive pressure.
Those sometimes make me nervous.
When he’s pinched into the corner and we know how … less than fast … he is, it just generates a little anxiety.
He is starting to win me over though. Some of the early stuff I was down on him for seems to have worked it’s way out of his game as the season continues.
Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.
I think Comeau is hurt. He usually plays very physical, goes for hits, but the last games he’s been somewhat “softer.” How he was able to come back after hitting the post is beyond me. It looked like his knee bent the wrong way….but there he was in OT, just like it never happened.
Me too
Maybe he misses Bailey now, and I Moulson wasn’t great, but I suspect Comeau is fighting through some knocks.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
I'll add my voice to this chorus
Especially coming off a several day break, he’s got to have something going on if he’s not back to normal after the rest.
Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.
I don’t think it is Bailey related. Doesn’t really matter anyway, especially now that Bailey is back. Comeau was tentative and soft all night and was skating around the perimeter like 1st half last season. Worse, though, were all his turnovers. I think one led directly to the St. Louis goal. His one good play was the play he got hurt on in the last minute. Here’s hoping it was just a one game aberration.
Jurcina Suprised Me
He actually had some pretty crafty plays with the puck that I didn’t think he was capable of making.
Jurcina
I thought he was really solid too. Last night I saw several instances where he used his size wisely, in ways that Hillen frankly cannot (e.g. simply pinning Downie against the boards to mitigate the threat, without a fight from Downie).
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
Not to mention hillen hasn't impressed lately and from reports has dropped off his play somewhat.
And Jurcina has grew on me a lot. I don’t know if it’s Gordon’s system or having a solid blueline partner(a-mac/mottau?), but Jurcina has been playing pretty good in this d system. I give him the nod over hillen for his play and size.
Go isles or Go home.
Jurcina and Martinek
Looking at the shift charts, Gordon had either Jurcina or Martinek out there as much as possible, except in the final minute when both were out there together. (Neither was on for TB’s goals, FWIW. That was Wiz and Mottau.)
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
Wiz and Mottau
I gave Mottau a minus without having a reall good reason other than I had the impression this was not his finer game. Thanks for pointing this out. I usually DVR the game so that I can watch and re-watch the game at my own pace, same reason I don’t do in-game threads (too many spoilers and no time to re-wind), but the kids and wife had it fully loaded last night.
Yeah, my feeling sure would have been the same – I liked Wiz/Mottau least last night. Have to say, though, that I felt during the game that Mottau was much improved in the 2nd half.
However, their Corsi looked pretty healthy, even very impressive in Mottau’s case. He achieved a team-high +10 despite the least favourable zonestart and relatively strong competition especially in the 2nd half of the game, when he played alongside Jurcina, too, because of MacDonald’s injury. So, all things considered it looks like Mottau contributed nicely down the stretch despite a shaky start and Wiz after all was probably the “worst” defender in this game. And it’s been noticeable for a few games, but particularly obvious this time around, Wiz is the one Gordon seems to trust least in terms of playing against strongest competition.
Gordon's mistrust
Wiz is a high risk defenseman and I thnk that’s where Gordon feels less comforable with him and I agree. That slash, back flop hook attempt on the PK didn’t inspire confidence either, but I don’t think that’s Wiz’s role either. He’s there to be a bit of a loose cannon, a bit unpredictable and to make the big plays. I don’t want him to become too safe of a player because his tight rope act is what makes him effective. Gordon (or Dean) is being smart by putting him out in situations where he doesn’t have to modify his game, and I consider that good coaching.
That slash, back flop hook attempt on the PK didn’t inspire confidence either,
Haha, well said.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
I feel for Wiz there becasue that play is me on D. Focused, know exactly what I want to do and go with the puck, perfect position on the blueline , have it all figured out how I’m sucking the forward up high to get a good scoring chance down low and then my total lack of skills lets me down and its off to the races. Me riding a donkey and the forward on an arabian. Then laying flat out hoping everyone forgets I coughed up the puck and my defensive partner gets the blame since he is closest to the forward when the shorty is scored..
One case that needs some time...
Wiz was brought in to be a HUGE improvement on Bruno as Streit’s partner. In that respect he [most likely] would have been a very nice part of a top pair.
If you take Streit out of the equation you have a #1 that is going to be overmatched without a safety net. He is giving us what we paid for. A guy who can carry the puck, play physically and add a shot from the point on the PP. I hope he doesn’t turn into a physical MAB. Maybe a little time with Hillen would make them a very mobile 1-2 pairing that can create more offense then they cause.
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan
I don’t disagree that he’s doing what he should be and what I expected from him. What I don’t expect him to become is a shutdown defenseman that I would put out there to hold a one goal lead, but I do expect him to instill fear with his big hits. The presumption was that he would play with Streit and Streit would be the safety valve. I’m not so sure outside of the PP I would pair these two though because I would fear it would eat too much into Streit’s offensive game if he has to watch Wiz’s back. A Martinek would look good with Wiz, but Mottau’s game also compliments him nicely. It just so happens that Mottau didn’t have a very good game.
I agree with all of this. I think Wiz works as a the loose cannon and high risk/high reward guy if you give him a safety valve and maybe a gesture censor as well.
And I’d hate to see Streit have to dial back as his partner. It’s going to be interesting with Wiz and his pending free agency. His contributions and mistakes are by nature more noticeable — does that make him worth more than a quiet-but-safe D-man?
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
Depends on how much is a little crazy worth? From what I’ve seen so far, I’d like to keep him. The Islanders in seasons past lacked some of the fire he seems to bring.
I'd love to keep him, and his role has pretty much been as expected.
PP specialist with bottom 2-4 defensive 5 on 5 minutes. I like the way he plays, but high risk/high reward, but his physcial play + offensive production and help on the pp(passing and shooting) make him worth every penny of his $3mil~ contract. I hope garth resigns him. He is a perfect compliment to a big gun on the point like streit for the pp. THE perfect compliment.
Go isles or Go home.
Agree 1000%
Streit’s riskiness gets us offense, Wiz’s gets us hits. If they are both spending time mitigating each other’s risk factors, you’re getting less of both. Split em and have a “safe” Mottau, Eaton or Amac hold down the fort while our x-factors do their business. (except on the power play…that’s onna be awesome!)
Some suspensions are worth it!!!
by Keith Quinn on Oct 22, 2010 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thoughts?
Last season, the 7th game yielded the baby Islanders their first win. This season, their 4th win. What a difference a year makes?
Should I be concerned about the fact that they have been outshot in 6 of 7 games?
I’m too cynical of believing in a good thing until probably its been too late.
Reality?
I think the shot clock may ticking its way to midnight for the Islanders… hopefully they can grab a few more points before the plane outta Miami turns int a pumpkin.
They are playing well, but they still seem overmatched for long stretches in games. A full and healthy roster will help them, and so will another year of development. If they can continue to rack up points in games where they are vastly outplayed, and if they take the next step after the holidays they could make, and have some success in, the playoffs.
Otherwise, unfortunately I see there being a post Halloween (when everybody returns their costumes) slump that could resemble last year’s post olympic dredge through the muck.
But really… who cares about that… this team is fun to watch again.
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan
your concerns are fair points to make
not 1 single islander is averaging more than 3 shots per game – is that a good thing or bad thing? can’t game plan against just 1 or 2 guys i guess…
as a team, we average 28.5 shots a game… not very good…
much like last year, we killed the F/O’s early, and as soon as we sing praises, we %#@! the bed…. ok, maybe not quite terrible, but we lost the battle last night 28 to 29… hopefully not a sign of things to come
a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)
I thought just the opposite of the 1-3-1 Dom,
That system I think will be picked up by some teams in the future. The Isles couldn’t gain the zone at all. They would dump the puck, but the TB D-man was already there and just cleared the puck. And the “3” at the Tampa blue line forced at least a dozen neutral zone turnovers that led to good Tampa scoring chances. I think that’s also why the Isles D-men got caught in deep too much. The Isles couldn’t keep the puck in the Tampa end when Tampa had a chance to set up the 1-3-1. I was very impressed with it. Feel very lucky to escape with two points, but I’ll take lucky until the Isles get healthy.
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On a side note, I thought DP played really well. He scares the hell out of me though.
1-3-1
The ice was terrible, but the 1-3-1 really did clog up the neutral zone and the Islanders for some reason refused to dump it in and get it deep. With the Islander D carrying almost to the Tampa blue line it was just a breakaway wating to happen considering all five Isles were stalled between the TB blue line and the red line. Luckily TB was offsides a couple of times or the odd man breaks would have been worse. With TBs speed the Isles D was having enough trouble, no need to make it more difficult. If this team would every once in a while chip it out and dump it in deep and then get in on the forecheck that would be a nice change of pace. Didn’t see Hunter, even once this evening get in deep and lay a hit on someone, which is when he is most effective. Did see him take a shot wide (of course) from the blueline of all places. It was evident that Grabner’s speed really helped tonight and JT was lost in the neutral for much of the night.
Fair points
I just saw poor decisions by the Islanders, but maybe they were initiated by the coverage they saw. Maneuvers like when Moulson looked to pass it back to Mottau in the neutral zone and whiffed, leading to a turnover and TB rush — while that may have been caused by three guys in the neutral zone it’s either way simply a hockey mistake.
I noticed: The breakaways (thanks to fumbles at the point), the odd-man rushes (thanks to their speed) and several occasions when the TB forecheck looked a lot more like a neutral zone trap than anything.
Very uneven game, hard for me to tell what was effort (TB hated theirs in the first), what was ice, what was strategy and counter-adjustment.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
Yea, to me the biggest effect of the 1-3-1 was that they had a guy who was essentially cherry picking, with the guy on top taking off for our end almost the way a basketball guard does when a shot goes up. Hence the multiple breakaways and odd-man rushes. You really have to account for that guy when facing this system.
by afrosupreme on Oct 22, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed...
I posted last night that the team needed to make more deliberate break outs… They needed sharper, shorter passes (spacing issues), but needed to dump and chase a whole lot better.
The strategy worked especially well because one Islander defender usually becomes part of the rush, and they leave one back… when they hit that wall the transition started 3-on-1 many times…. and it could have been pretty ugly real fast.
They never really seemed to “break it”, but they were lucky enough to take advantage of what it yielded, and a 5-on-3 PP.
This is another point i keep making about Gordon… he never really comes to the park with a plan B. It was evident that their forecheck was not working from a dump as well. It seemed to work when there was an offensive zone transition… but Tampa’s D didn’t break down enough for good scoring opps off the forecheck.
With the team speed that they have now (as compared to previous teams) you’d think they could work better to create dump and chase pressure when faced with that nuetral zone muddle.
I guess we’ll see…. It’s probably also tough being that I don’t think they’ve had three consistent lines in any of the 7 games….
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan
guess we’ll see…. It’s probably also tough being that I don’t think they’ve had three consistent lines in any of the 7 games….
Yeah, I want to say it’s to their credit to get this far with the constant rotation of bodies. Probably a credit to them/Gordon for having everybody “coming to play” every night.
But hopefully there is commensurate improvement when they have the same lines for a few games, because they’ll need to play better than the last two games. (Oh, raised expectations are a lovely thing.)
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
Gordon has them coming to play, but this season his lines and his in game adjustments are starting to concern me. Hunter and Sim together? Moving Comeau away from Bailey (with Bailey is out it was moot)? Parenteau with Weight? Are all the different line combos contributing to the almost mandatory too many men on the ice penalty the Isles have been taking? Is it part of him adjusting continually to have Konopka or Frans take every faceoff inside the defensive zone?
It’s been really, really difficult thus far to get the best solution out there this season, though. There’s a number of things Gordon has to adjust for almost every shift. Get Konopka on for as many face-offs as possible, get Nielsen on against the opposition’s best as much as possible, ease in guys coming back from injuries (JT, Hunter), shelter Nino (and Gillies obviously, and PA if possible), juggle lines due to guys going down with injuries within games (JT, Bailey, Hunter), find solutions on RW, where they lack true top quality/depth at the moment, etc.
I too miss consistency in their lines (and somehow in Gordon’s decisions therefore), but I really don’t think he could realistically have done much differently thus far. All this mentioned stuff together has just made it very hard indeed.
Not saying it has been easy, but breaking up pairings that work to go back to things he dreamed up on the white board indicates he’s got a vision that he won’t let get affected by reality. Same with in-game adjustments. Follow the system to the letter and it will work, even if it needs to be adjusted. Maybe that’s why he doesn’t use his Timeouts since there is nothing new to be said during the game that he hasn’t repeated 100 times in practice. I may be wrong it is just an impression that I’ve been developing over the latter part of last season and the satrt of this. Having said that, Moulson said they were discussing 100 different face off scenarios during the goal review, so maybe he is more adapatable than I am giving him credit for.
Yeah, it’s not a bad point you make here. I was pretty critical myself about this aspect of Gordon’s coaching at the end of the last season. So, I’m always willing to get more info about that, but I just think these first games have not added very much valueable stuff, neither one way nor the other. It’s just been very hard to deal with everything for Gordon indeed. As for timeouts, I’ve never really cared about that aspect.
And as for breaking up pairings that work, I don’t know, I don’t think he’s been guilty of that too much, particularly not last season and not really this year given the circumstances. I know, you might think of Bailey/Comeau, but well, it’s funny how everyone was so high on the JT/Comeau combo at the end of the last season and maybe some were a little scared Comeau would struggle with JT getting injured early this year, and now it turns out everyone thinks he’s missed Bailey over the last couple of games…
I tend to agree with BenHasna here
So many variables to deal with thus far, as well as road games/last change. And I think how he’s deployed Nielsen and Martinek (then Zenon for quick faceoffs and a sub) is kind of the foundation for working everything from there.
So many unproven/injured/developing forwards on this team, plus new D pairs to work out, I get the sense he’s using what’s best to try to stop the opponent’s best line(s) first, and then building out from there.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
Today is a good day!
My favorite team in the Eastern conference is #1, Go Isles!
My favorite team in the Western conference is #1 Go Hawks!
Let tomorrows (or tonights) problems fall where they will, for today I am a happy human.
Fan of the Blackhawks!
Fan of the Isles!
TMFF is a Genius. 'Nuff said.
by burpchelischili on Oct 22, 2010 7:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow, um, well...
I don’t know where to start. We actually got a call…but it is possible we stole one we should not have won…and I think Ricky may have helped steal this one, though his rebound control was downright scary, and his wandering still makes me nervous…no real offensive flow at all (Comeau looks lost without Josh), but they took advantage of the few opportunities and buried the puck…Grabner and Weight and Nino looked really great together, Weight has been making sick passes in front…Jurcina was awesome but Tampa made the rest of our D look sick; speed, speed, speed. Too many turnovers (again) and what was up with Wiz last night?? PA still aggravating me BUT he sure can bury it…all in all it was a crazy game (can not believe we held Tampa to 2) with a crazy ending and we are still in 1st place. What a team…
by upstateislesfan on Oct 22, 2010 7:25 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t think the Islander stole anything tonight or against TO. In both games we got the calls, but they were the right call and I don’t think I’m being a homer when I say that. The reality is for all of the so-called dominance of the LEafs andTB against the Islanders, I can’t recall one great scoring chance that either team didn’t bury that would have made a difference. The Islanders are capitalizing on their chances and limiting what the other teams do. Puck possession doesn’t seem to be the Islanders game, but maintaining position and not allowing great chances does.
Other than that, I agree with the rest of your assessment on Wiz, Jurcina etc.
Thoughts from Nova Scotia
(1) I’ve never really understood the standard of review in the NHL. Is it “The Puck was clearly in, regardless of the call on the ice” or is it “The video clearly shows that the call was incorrect and so we’re going to change it”? Any NFL fan understands the difference, but it seems to be not very well explained to NHL fans.
(2) I don’t get the game to waatch and am totally dependent on NHL on the Fly for highlights, but it seemed to me that RickyD made a bunch of really good reaction saves against very good shooters. I don’t think you can fault him for either of the goals and I think the naysayers need to give him some credit for those two points.
(3) Gawd, I love Frans.
(4) Garth has done a great job of picking through other people’s trash, hasn’t he? Parenteu leading the team in scoring, Moulson showing no signs that last year was a fluke, teh buzz seems to be that we loves us some Grabner and, well. what can you say about the Wis?
It’s early and the season is long, but boys and girls, ain’t this just some kind of fun?
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Oct 22, 2010 8:06 AM EDT reply actions
1. The video replay must be definitive or the call on the ice stands. The TB announcers made a point that I agree with. How can it be a definitive reversal of the call on the ice when it took them almost ten minutes to overturn the call on the ice? To me it seemed obvious after the first overhead replay that the puck crossed the line and the right call was made, but what took so long? Was it a Pittsburgh Penguins like situtation where the local produce rdidn’t provide all of the angles that provided the conclusive evidence?
Here is the total of the Video Goal Judge Rule on NHL.com
Rule 38 – Video Goal Judge
38.1 General Duties – The following are the general duties of the Video Goal Judge:
(i) He will review replays of disputed goals when requested to do so by the Referees.
(ii) He will review replays of disputed goals when he observes an incident that was undetected by on-ice officials.
(iii) After viewing the incident he will promptly convey his decision directly to the Referee at the penalty bench. When a play has been referred to the Video Goal Judge, his decision shall be final.
(iv) During the review he may consult with a member of the League’s Hockey Operations or Officiating department staff if latter is in attendance at the game (or via telephone).
(v) Any potential goal requiring video review must be reviewed prior to or during the next stoppage of play. No goal may be awarded (or disallowed) as a result of video review once the puck has been dropped and play has resumed.
38.2 Goals – Every goal is to be reviewed by the Video Goal Judge.
Upon making contact with the off-ice official at ice level, the Video Goal Judge should say initially that he is "looking at the play". If there is a need to delay the resumption of the play, the off-ice official at ice level should signal one of the Referees to delay the center ice face-off for a moment. Once the Video Goal Judge has reviewed the video and confirmed that the goal is valid, he should say that "it is a good goal". The off-ice official will then signal to the Referee to resume play.
If there is a need to expand the review, the Video Goal Judge will advise the off-ice official at ice level and the Public Address Announcer that the "play is under review". Once the play has been reviewed and deemed a goal, the goal will be announced in the normal manner. If the review reveals that the goal must be disallowed, the Public Address Announcer shall announce the reason for the disallowed goal as reported by the Referee.
When the Video Goal Judge observes an incident involving a potential goal that was undetected by the on-ice officials he will contact the Referee at the first stoppage of play and inform him that a review of the play is in progress.
When a review is requested by either the Referee or Video Goal Judge, the Public Address Announcer shall make the following announcement: “The play is under review”.
The Video Goal Judge will use all the facilities at his disposal to review the incident and reach a conclusion as to the accurate time of the goal. It is the responsibility of the Video Goal Judge to record the time of the disputed goal and the clock is to be reset accordingly.
He will report his findings to the Referee as quickly as possible ensuring all available video feeds and angles have been reviewed.
When the Referee indicates there is to be a video review, all players (with the exception of the goalkeepers) will go to their respective players’ bench immediately and failure to do so would result in a game misconduct penalty with a fine to the Coach.
38.3 Reports – Following every game, the Video Goal Judge must call the National Hockey League Toronto office and provide a verbal report of all video reviews conducted during the game.
Video Goal Judge reports are to be faxed or sent electronically to the National Hockey League Toronto office immediately following the game.
38.4 Situations Subject to Video Review – The following situations are subject to review by the Video Goal Judge:
(i) Puck crossing the goal line.
(ii) Puck in the net prior to the goal frame being dislodged.
(iii) Puck in the net prior to, or after expiration of time at the end of the period.
(iv) Puck directed or batted into the net by a hand or foot. With the use of a foot/skate, was a distinct kicking motion evident? If so, the apparent goal must be disallowed. A DISTINCT KICKING MOTION is one which, with a pendulum motion, the player propels the puck with his skate into the net. If the Video Goal Judge determines that it was put into the net by an attacking player using a distinct kicking motion, it must be ruled NO GOAL. This would also be true even if the puck, after being kicked, deflects off any other player of either team and then into the net. This is still NO GOAL. See also 49.2.
(v) Puck deflected directly into the net off an Official.
(vi) Puck struck with a high-stick, above the height of the crossbar, by an attacking player prior to entering the goal. The determining factor is where the puck makes contact with the stick. If the puck makes contact with the stick below the level of the crossbar and enters the goal, this goal shall be allowed.
(vii) To establish the correct time on the official game clock, provided the game time is visible on the Video Goal Judge’s monitors.
(viii) The video review process shall be permitted to assist the referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g. to ensure they are "good hockey goals"). For example (but not limited to), pucks that enter the net by going through the net meshing, pucks that enter the net from underneath the net frame, pucks that enter the net undetected by the referee, etc.
38.5 Logistics and Equipment – The Video Goal Judge must be located in a secluded area in the upper level of the building with an unobstructed view of both goals. The location must be large enough to seat three people (Video Goal Judge, Video Technician and Supervisor of Officials) and have space for necessary monitors, replay and recording equipment.
The Video Goal Judge shall have access to all replays that may be available by reason of any telecasts of the game and if there is no scheduled telecast the Club’s internal telecast of the game will be used.
The Video Goal Judge must be supplied with a phone or communication system with direct contact to the penalty bench.
The "burn in" of the game clock is mandatory for the two overhead goal video feeds, and should be available on all feeds if such can be provided by the host broadcaster.
38.6 Verification of Time – Any loss of time on the game or penalty clocks due to a false face-off must be replaced. The Video Goal Judge may be consulted to ensure the time is accurately replaced.
In the event of any dispute regarding time, the matter shall be referred to the Referee for adjustment and his decision shall be final. The Game Timekeeper shall assist to verify game time via an additional timing device. (NHL approved stop watch)
In accordance with Rule 38 – Video Goal Judge, the Officials may use the Video Goal Judge system to establish the correct time on the official game clock, provided the game time is visible on the Video Goal Judge’s monitors.
In the event that a video replay shows a goal was scored prior to the play being stopped, the Video Goal Judge will inform the Game Timekeeper and Official Scorer of the time of goal and the amount of playing time left to be reset on the game clocks (if applicable).
Should the first stoppage of play following an apparent goal coincide with the end of a period, the on-ice officials must instruct both teams to remain at their respective players’ benches until the video review has been completed.
There is nothing in there about standard of review, so I think the standard is one of correctness, rather than indesputable evidence.
Having reviewed that, I wonder of the refs may screwed up the high sticking call against the Leafs the other night.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Oct 22, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
2 W in a row on the road
8 of the next 10…including the western swing…fl, mtl, phi, car, ott, ana, sj, la. I like having this early in the season…Isles make hay here…could be key to daylight in April
@ Ottawa
My Fiance and I are going to the game in Ottawa, super excited…can’t decide what jersey to wear though…Peca? Berard? Palffy? Fishsticks? Decisions, Decisions lol…
Shawn Bates will never die....so long as we remember THE penalty shot!
Fishsticks
proves your long term commitment
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Oct 22, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I just might...
I have both Home and Away fishsticks jerseys, that way both my Fiance and I can wear one LOL.
Shawn Bates will never die....so long as we remember THE penalty shot!
by Metalstar on Oct 23, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
way to go rolie
if rolie had played this exact game, fans during the game thread would be declaring him the best this and the most amazing that. kind of funny. i think if the shoe were on the other skate… other teams fans would be rooting so hard and would be so excited to get someone like dp back and closer to how he used to play but isles fans seem to react differently… i get a sense that some are even rooting against him
this game was huge for him. not saying it was the best played game ever for a goalie but for him it’s a huge step.
he’s just gonna get better. with that and rolie… when i compare to the dubies and mcdonalds and danis’… it’s such a better comfort level as a fan
by Khan Noonien Singh on Oct 22, 2010 8:39 AM EDT reply actions
Pluses and minuses
- terrible ice, did this contribute to the breakaways? or bad shot selection from the point?
- neutral zone play. was it 1-3-1 or was it the bad ice that lead to so much play in the neutral zone
- “Shank Shot” aka the Wiz, high risk, high reward, tonight was mostly high risk
+ Doug Weight, I criticized the move this summer, but he looks ten steps faster
+ DiPietro, he’s starting to look a lot looser in net. Were his rebounds out to the point intentional to take pressure off down low? Nice closing of the 5-hole down low.
- Get the puck out of the zone. Same issue is happening too often, turnovers inside the blue line
+ Jurcina, played well off the post and disrupted quite a few plays
+ Martinek and Neilsen, this is nothing new at this point
- Mottau didn’t look sharp and I can’t pin point one play, but not one of his better nights
+ video replay and the refs consulting each other; right call on both Islander goals in question; refs made wrong call initially and corrected themselves
+ Moulson top of the paint on both goals
- Hunter and Sim out there together; slow enough?
+/- Gordon calling a NO Timeout at the end of the third
+ Special Teams making both 5-on-3 come out in Isles favor
- Gillies don’t get sucked into taking another penalty when you’re already down
+ Grabner, Weight and Nino, most notable line for most of the night. Nino with the assist in front of the net and drawing a cross check to set up 5 on 3.
+ Obligatory positive obervations of TB, St. Loius came to play
- Comeau didn’t get called, but he is borderline with some of his stick work, keep in on the ice. He seems prone to take a dumb penalty.
- Bergenheim, he scored against us! So a plus from TB’s view
DP purposely boots his rebounds out far, no goalie wants rebounds to go right in front of him.
Go isles or Go home.
+ Grabner, Weight and Nino, most notable line for most of the night. Nino with the assist in front of the net and drawing a cross check to set up 5 on 3.
i want to add extra emphasis to Nino’s assist, not only was he doing everything right positionally, but how he was able to get enough on that shot with 1 hand, so as to get a big enough rebound, was big
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good point
I thought Nino looked terrific on that play. He’s clearly not being left behind by the speed of the game, not that I can see.
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The crosscheck
It really looked to me like he felt it coming and softened up before the hit so it would be more noticeable. Always hard to tell though on things of that nature.
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Well some goaltenders do allow the rebound to deaden to a point that they can cover them up, which he did do on occasion while closing the five hole, or they position the re-bound more towards the corner than way up high towards the point. I prefer a re-bound that rockets past the forward in the slot than one that barely makes it out of the crease.
on rebound control
One difficulty is that different teams attack the net a little differently. A “bad” rebound might work perfectly, as in knocking the puck past forwards crashing for a rebound. A “good” rebound may just find a guy who doesn’t belong where the puck is going.
I can vividly remember a moment during a tournament where I had a point shot and a lot of traffic in front. I didn’t want to leave anything near me to get smacked at, and I didn’t think I could freeze the shot, so I swatted it off to what should have been the open (near) corner. Alas, there was a guy there – not at the edge of the net to tip in shots that might miss wide, but about fifteen feet away. I don’t know why – maybe he was meant to take passes at the goal line and then redirect them into the slot, if no direct point shot was possible – or maybe he got lost. It didn’t change the final outcome. I basically handed him the rebound and he scored – sharp angle and all, yeah, nice shot, but I felt like an idiot.
So when looking at RDP or anyone else, one way to tell if a guy’s rebound control is generally good or off, or if he’s having a good/off night, is not just whether the rebounds are finding opponents on one night. The defense may just be rescuing the guy, or the offense may be positioned terribly. It takes a few games to really be certain. Regardless of the opponent’s style, is the keeper generally putting the puck out of harm’s way? That would imply that he is intentionally steering the shot, rather than just randomly swatting it and hoping his guy gets there first.
Then add into that whether a goalie can deaden the shot and cover, like you’ve observed; whether he catches the puck cleanly in his trapper; on long shots, if he can trap the shot off the blocker with his glove; on low shots, whether he can stick the puck into either corner from either point.
A guy with terrible control can’t do any of those things consistently. (See Fleury, Marc-Andre.) A guy with average control can generally handle the easier ones, but on more difficult shots he just makes a save and the puck may not go where he wants it after that. (You’ll find me in this category.) With good control a goalie can do those things more-or-less consistently even on tough shots – not from conscious thought but just through instinct. But the only way to be really sure, again, is to see ten games, twenty games… because a duffer like me can sometimes have a game where everything gets swallowed up and there are no second chances, and a great goalie can occasionally fight every shot and leave all sorts of juicy rebounds lying in the slot.
Then you add in a goalie’s awareness. That was my trouble in my tournament game – I should have noticed that guy but I lost track of him. A goalie could ahve great awareness but bad control, or great control and bad awareness. It takes many games to be able to figure out which problem a guy has if there are a lot of second shots flying back at him.
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by mikb on Oct 22, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really did think DP was putting those pucks far out on purpose last night. My initial question was somewhat rhetorical in that I was figuring out if he felt the need to relieve the defensmen. The first few games it looked like DP was fighting the puck quite often with his blocker and trying to push the puck away. I likened it to what Luongo does with his “falling forward” style (blocker high and does a semi-face plant keeping the puck in front of him). I think now that DPs glove is back up to speed he is more comfortable catching the puck and trapping agains the blocker and allowing his legs to push out rebounds.
I agree on FM-A, his yellow pads didn’t help, but I felt after his long injury break he came back as a better goaltender becasue he had much better rebound control and allowed the puck to hit him. With more ice time he seems to have returned to his terrible habits or overplaying every first shot them flopping around to try and find the re-bound.
DP's glove
That reminds me, he made a pretty snazzy glove save on a Stamkos laser last night, did he not? (DIdn’t catch it, but got enough to deflect it by and high, I think.)
It’s been kind of fun looking at little bits and pieces of his game to figure out if he’s on his way or not.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
Yeah, that was a nice save. I thought that had goal written all over it.
Hopefully there is a replay of that somewhere.
Go isles or Go home.
actually agree on RDP last night
I never felt like he was simply spitting pucks out at random; looked like he intended to knock them to open ice when he couldn’t corral them. Didn’t see the glove save. Then my atdhe feed switched to Minny/Edmonton for some reason, I saw nothing of the overtime until the highlights. However, I did get to see Kyle Brodziak score twice on Khabibulin. I think Oil fans probably wish he was still in jail, no matter how shaky Deslauriers and Dubnyk are.
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pinpointing one play for Mottau
worst play was allowing St Louis to get around him and score – allowing the Bolts to take the lead late in the 2nd. still can’t believe he got the shot off the way he did. DP looked bad there too.
That was bad
Even after St. Louis got around him, he still had to shoot within the range of Mottau’s stick. That’ll happen with a sneaky player like St. Louis, but man Mottau still had a chance to prevent the shot.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
The one instance where I think DP shouldn’t have been so far back into his net. I think he was quite a bit further back last night than previous games. I think especially on Bergie’s second breakway he was pretty deep.
somewhat
But I think after the save he just slid back further, which made it look worse. Looking at it again, his stick is just at the top of the crease as Bergie’s shooting and he stops it halfway in the paint – so yeah, further back than normal but not hugging the line like Irbe.
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NHL’s On The Fly show named that goal “The Play of the Day”. Last night when they were recapping the OT review call live, the host said if Ellis makes that save in OT then that would have been the Play Of The Day.
I missed the OT goal [Tivo decided I’d rather watch something else so my recording was cut short] so I flipped over to On The Fly and I had to sit through the Devils highlights twice and never got to see the Islanders [go figure]. I did notice they featured the OT goal but I tried not to watch it because I like to see game highlights in context. So I start watching the loop again but I was falling asleep by then [1:30am] so I was happy when Dom posted the recap with said goal linked. Still no respect for the Conference leaders!
The question: If a team is outplayed twice in a row yet wins both games, is it luck, or the mark of a good team?
You know what? We don’t have to worry about that tonight.
Hate to tell all you fans, but this team IS for real. We can stop with the garbage where we do our best not to look like homers and keep saying that we suck. The players believe in themselves, why shouldn’t we??? Let’s not just bask in one win, let’s build off of it. It’s time we start talking up our team.
Not so fast.........
There is alot of season left and I am a believer, as you are, in this team and the movement started by Garth Snow. The kids look great, but we cannot get ahead of ourselves. I think Dom’s point was spot on. These are games we would have lost last season, for sure, but ALOT of teams are still trying to find their footing early this year (Devils, Flyers, Canucks, etc…). Let’s stay patient and lie in the weeds like a lion hunting their prey. Then, we pounce when the time is right.
I can agree with you there Taz, but I still here fans saying that we’re a bottom 5 team. IMHO, if Gordo/Snow/Wang didn’t insert Ricky last year, we would’ve been in the playoffs. And we’re a WAY better team than last year. Just think, over the course of the year we will be getting a top 10 scorer back, our number 2 scorer back, and with some luck, our number 1 d back, just in time to clinch a playoff spot. It may be too early for some to guarantee playoffs, but I’m willing to go on a limb.
nyntwun, it’s fine to go out on a limb, but there’s still over 90% of the season to be played…
we still don’t know if they’re going to keep Nino up, how streit and KO’s shoulders will rebound, if RSH is ready to seamlessly slide into the lineup without disrupting the flow…
we’re on pace for 117 points (4 less than Wash last year and generally 115+ means president’s trophy — we’re not quite there yet)
i’m comfortable with saying a 92 point season is more than attainable, with a upper shelf of 96 points if the goalies continue to post good games
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Game notes....@ TB
+ PA … As much as I dog him and the jury is still out for me personally, he leads the team in scoring and that cannot be ignored. Also, he is not getting as much ice time as the rest.
+ Radek … can I talk the Norris trophy for this unsung defenseman? LOL
+ Nino … effective again, and 3 mins on the PP. Wonder what that means for his chances?
+ Matt Mo … Not resting on his laurels after the offseason raise. Nice story by puck daddy on Yahoo as well about him coming out to sign autographs after a twitter request.
+ Frans …. Selke anyone?
+ The captain … keeps leading by example, even at the ripe old age of 39. Setting the tone for Nino to follow.
+ Ricky … great movement laterally, looks more comfortable each start. Nice effort.
- Wiz .. had trouble controlling the puck all night. Did not look secure in his own end.
- Gillies/Sim … really boys? Smarten up.
- Grabner .. yeah, I know he scored. Still, seems to do too little for his skill set.
- Comeau … really struggling without Bailey. At least, I hope thats it. Could also been that dreaded inconsistency that we know dogs him.
- MORE INJURIES! Damn, first A-Mac, then I gasped when I saw Comeau go down. Thankfully, he came right back out for the OT. These guys should all dress like robo-cop.
Onto Florida we go….10 out of 14 possible points with our injury situation is a dream start to be sure. I would have never in a million years predicted it.
MORE INJURIES! Damn, first A-Mac, then I gasped when I saw Comeau go down. Thankfully, he came right back out for the OT.
Many have posted this – it’s wrong, though, Comeau didn’t play anymore after that incident. Should hopefully still be fine, however.
Huh.
Sure enough. I would’ve sworn on my life I saw a glimpse of Comeau in OT, but apparently not.
Sorry everyone for the misinfo.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
no misinfo
I distinctly remember howie and Butch commenting on Blake being back out on the ice after his fall. I know he came back out for at least one shift.
by upstateislesfan on Oct 22, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm so confused....
What is going on? I could have sworn he was out there. Glitch in the matrix maybe?
you don't need to see his ATOI
This is not the forward you are looking for….
Move along….
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Ooh, Ooh! I know what happened!
He played, but it was in the post-goal time that is officially wiped from the records. I let the TOI sheet dupe me.
Strang also says he played in OT and is fine.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
by Dominik on Oct 22, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Time warp
The OT goal that was scored 1:54 into a 3 minute OT, but awarded ten minutes later!
This game was played in a black hole
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
I hope so
I want to find the string where the Dynasty is alive and well and “1940” still applies.
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good catch Dom
I saw no police boxes in the arena so I assume it wasn’t an alternate timeline extinguished by temporal interference.
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It's a fez. Fez's are cool.
Well, it is designed to just sort of fit in, so it’s possible you just didn’t notice it.
Exactly
He played a minute or two that disappeared from existence lol.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 22, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Ricky
I still maintain that Ricky stole one for us. There were a multitude of scoring chances in the 3rd period alone (not one of our best periods) and Ricky was up to the task. The rebounds he did allow were usually long ones that looked intentional at times…i thought he looked really ready to play tonight, focused and on top of his game. I agree that some Islander fans really want to give up on him, but I maintain that he has the chance to become what we all hoped he could before the injury. As for this team in general they certainly do NOT suck. I like that the scoring has been so evenly distributed. i love the new defensemen and the hard work you get from this team every night. but i think the jury is still out. Considering all the injuries to key players, it is nice to see everyone stepping up their game to pick up the slack but I worry about that first losing streak. Can this team bounce back ?? The work ethic is there, certainly, but is the talent level equal to the task?? I hope so.
by upstateislesfan on Oct 22, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions
Ricky is coming back as long as he doesn't get injured.
How good he will be is the big question. I have high hopes for him too though. Ever since his 06/07 season, I honestly think he can be a great starting goalie in the nhl.
Go isles or Go home.
Ricky was Ricky
which means he inadvertantly caused a few of those scoring chances, but was otherwise solid
His handling of the puck also relieved the defensemen on several occasions and he also had a couple of solid clears up the middel that prevented the Bolts from gaining possession in the zone. I felt he wandered aimlessly a little bit less last night and only got caught up on his defense once behind the net that I can recall. I also recalla giveaway along the boards to St. Louis, but there wasn’t an open defender to get the puck to either.
This could happen to any goalie
but I nearly screamed at DP when he sat down during that one scramble because he thought he was on the puck (you may remember that this almost lead to a wrap-around going in). I had the benefit of a “birds-eye view” at home but I feel like he really almost blew that one.
That was probably his most questionable play of the night, to me.
Stay Still
When a goalie thinks he has the puck under him the smartest thing he can do is stay still until he finds it or the defensmen can shove it under him. Too often he’ll kick it in or have the defenseman shove it under him and inot the net. So I’m not holding it against him,
yup
You’re at the mercy of your own gear. The puck could be right alongside or nearby, and you can’t see it. You have to rely on hearing somebody yelling “LOOSE!” or “SIT!” to tell whether you’ve got it or not. Of course if nobody is yelling (or you can’t hear) you have to watch to see where the players are headed, almost as if you were watching the MSG+2 feed at home.
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bad ice: it giveth and taketh
i think the ice affected our team play overall, not saying the coli ice is great, but the guys clearly were taking that extra split second to make sure they had it, and those who didn’t paid the price…
fortunately for us, it helped PA net one on the 5-3…
kudos to the PK, killing a 2min 5-3 with Stamkos out there is worthy of praise any day
a few sentiments that Ricky stole won for us, maybe, maybe not, but it was good to have his roaming “3rd” d-man game in there for us, considering we lost Amac, he played well, but i wont go so far as say STOLE…
they could have showed that reviewed goal 1000’s times under 100 times magnification, all i saw was blurriness…
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Good points(especially the PK).
they could have showed that reviewed goal 1000’s times under 100 times magnification, all i saw was blurriness…
You’re drinking again, aren’t you? I was watching it on my bedroom TV (chased from the living room by the Disney crew) and the first time i saw the replay I did some [HS level] geometry calcs and declared it a goal immediately. Sure it was “fuzzy”, but toronto should have been able to zoom in and see that at that angle the puck was on the back side of the line…. if you add perspective (puck is halfway from crossbar to ice) and angle (camera is about 15-20 degrees behind the goal line) it was a simple call… given that they (TORONTO) gave us the angle BS on both the buffalo and NYR goals in 2007(I brought that up in Toronto the other night as well)
I agree about Ricky, though I may have used the term [wrongly] if the old man was in there. He looked sharp enough, though he was also helped by a team that was not converting some of their opps. He did play better than his opponent, and was less of a problem wandering in this one. I still want to slap him in the head when he has two defensemen skating necxt to him and he decides to make the first pass up the ice. When he stops doing THAT i may concede that he is an above average goaltender again.
Iin Newsday I read, the islanders blew, and now I can't see for myself, cause they're on MSG+2... Thanks Dolan
I had trouble on the overhead
To me it was more clear on the side view. I’d love to hear what Ellis had to say about the rebound after Moulson got it, it seemed to handcuff him and he just juggled it into the net.
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Dan Ellis was probably worried about his next damn paycheck. It’s hard being an NHL goaltender. Mo’ Money = Mo’ Problems – Notorious D.A.N.
#danellisproblems
Can’t afford better catching glove that actually works, must settle for cheap glove that lets in shots.
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#danellisproblems
Late trying to catch the puck in the air headed for the net because he was working his calculator to figure out how much of his gamecheck was headed for escrow.
Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.
#danellisproblems
Shootout would have made him late for second gig as bartender.
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#danellisproblems
Running some #s on suing Rypien myself, but after lawyers fees (25%), escrow from his check (18%) and then my check (18%), plus taxes (40% for US, 50% for Canada) I’d end up owing Rypien $63.41. I can’t live like this! And you expect me to stop pucks as well?
Here’s to hoping #BizNasty2point0 walks by and gives me a damn happy meal tonight.
maybe it's just my lack of coffee
Watching the highlights, I keep thinking that the Lightning announcer sounds like Chicago’s Pat Foley, better-known to people of my age as the voice of the Midway NHL arcade game from the 90’s. I kept expecting him to announce “He’s on fire!”
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No Way We are Giving Grabner Back
I vote to keep Grabner. Probably now my favorite player(I’m a sucker for underrated players).
Wiz
Let me say that I think the 5-3 pass was completely intentional. He drew the defenders in to block his cannon he saw PA open, pulled back on the shot and got the puck over to him. The puck was put in the perfect spot for a one timer; I don’t think that was good luck.
We talk about his shot but have you seen some of the passes he has made? He is good at sending these cross ice passes; there have been many that should have been buried. I can remember one that JT should have buried and he either broke his stick or missed it (lots of broken sticks out there….NO MORE COMPOSITES!)
He also had some good plays on D especially on that 2 on 1.
Drink of the Month: Bailey's on Ice.
Grabner-Weight-Parenteau
No matter what they are eventually called… this is really nice to have. maybe not as defensively sound [yet] as the Sillinger between Hunter and Hilbert, but they bring a dynamic that has been missing since that line disintergrated.
A third line that creates CAUTION with their ability to SCORE GOALS.
It’ll be interesting to see if they can plug Schremp into Dougie’s spot when he’s ready. It’s probably not what either guy wants, but 10-20 mid-season games off for a rejuvinated Doug Weight might keep him healthy and fresh for a late season and playoff run.
Grabner and Parenteau are making it difficult to make me want Nino here for the year. Both guys are performing well… and even though Nino looks good, he doesn’t look like he will at 23 or 27… and they do.
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That line has been fun. A nice little bonus that’s probably provided some of the margin between some nice wins and what would’ve been frustration last year.
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5 on 3
It seems to me that Isles have been benefited from 5-3 advantage in almost every game this year. More than I can ever remember, maybe it is we are just converting them, but does anybody know if they keep stats like that? Most 5 on 3’s
Converting them helps, big difference from last year.
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Yes, kind of. Not in absolute numbers, but you can see here which team has spent how much time in what situations. The Isles are 8th there in 5-on-3 TOI, but possibly could still have had most 5-on-3 opportunities indeed, as that number of course kind of punishes teams converting early. They do lead the league in terms of GF/60 5-on-3 and have shot at 37.5% in those situations. They were very good already last year, though, 6th in terms of 5-on-3 TOI, 4th in GF/60 (shooting at 30%).
Other interesting stuff from there shows that the Isles lead the league as well in 3-on-5 TOI, mostly because of last night’s two-minute effort by Frans & Co. probably. Their 5-on-4 PP has been about average in sum, but has only produced 32.8 shots/60 (worst in the league).
Great game Last Night
10 out of a possible 14 points???!!! What a start. I have just arrived in Ft Lauderdale, checked into my hotel, and I can’t wait to get to the game tomorrow night!!!!!
My guess is Roloson will start tomorrow, with DP back in net on Wednesday in France (I mean Montreal). I also expect to see Bailey back in the lineup.
Should be a good game. Now, to make the non-believers get on board we’d like a true Road Regulation Victory!!!
Bailey is the straw that breaks the Islanders preverbial back...
Isles looked very much like last years Isles to me last night without the “new” Bailey in there.. He has really stepped up his play and his abscence was evident last night as it seemed to me something was missing for the Isles on offense. So tough to judge with the bouncing puck, but without Bailey’s there seemed to be a lessened offensnsive flow and forecheck for the Isles. If he isn’t able to get back sat and stay healthy i could see the Isles luck changing…..
Man wouldn’t Okposo be so nice to have out there now….
From what i saw of the game Jurinca and the D looked pretty good and were probably the reason the Isles were able to get the W.
Ricky…. Looked a tick off in his play however he was picking the puck up well in traffic and that has to be a good sign he is getting more comfortable in net.
Question: What happened to Ricky’s pink pads? Thought he was supposed to wear them all October for Breast Cancer awareness?
"Hey, which kid is yours?" "That one..." "In the pink pads?" "....yes..... :( " "Oh, hey...I'm sorry, I didn't know."
I’m pretty sure since it was the dad’s trip, he may have held off on the pink pads. Actually, I thought they were for home games. Habs fans are gonna love that.
was it the "dads" trip...
Usually Botta will post if the dads are along… and even the other team’s media… I guess it’s passe now.
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Yes
Official site has a bit on the Dads. I swear that’s who we heard cheering on the TB broadcast half the time.
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CRAP!
I wanted to get Stan Hunter’s autograph before it was too late…
I figured it would be this trip or the one in March… didn’t see anything about it… oh well. I was actually looking forward to seeing Mr. Nielsen giving Mr. Mottau the DANISH PATERNAL BACKHAND OF JUSTICE….
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Agree.
Bailey 2010 edition brings size and speed up the middle which the Islanders lack when he is out. Konopka has size, speed not so much, Weight has shown some speed, but lacks size, JT is solid, but not fleet of foot, Nielsen can do almost anything, but he can’t grow bigger unless you make him really really angry. Those are the nights they keep him locked up in Area 51.
Yes!
Opponent offense is missing in area 51! Good nickname for Franz’s selke potential. Nice work!
Some suspensions are worth it!!!
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You're doing God's work
Hoping to revisit the glossary this weekend and get a proper formal one set. Some of these memes must live!
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+/-
+ I won the first First Goal Pool… I think we should have these for every game thread.
+ TMC pictorially giving us a DP reference, though most would prefer the “six pack” or the “21”… (good lord, anyone who can untangle the double entendre’s there should win Jeopardy for a week straight)
+ Got the Tampa feed… those guys aren’t that bad, and fair… and it’s not MSG+2
o Both goals having to go to review. The first one we were led to believe that it was because of goalie interference… when I really think the ref thought it hit the post. The second one… well… there’s enough here on that one already. All I know is that is about 15% of the Isles goals being reviewed… all of them important… talk about being on the edge of darkness.
- No Barbara Eden references in the thread… SLACKER!
+ It looks like all the tampa fans joined us on the thread as well… a true testiment to the growth of sunbelt hockey.
o No dads on the Florida swing. Hopefully the “dad’s trip” will be on the second florida swing. I would like to propose a LHH trip on that one as well… will do a fan post to see if folks are interested.
+ Islander fans on the glass behind the Bolt bench….
+ Bolt fans behind the Islander bench… the mic catches Gordon yelling for “Dougie” to give it perspective… and if you listen closely you can hear a few fans yelling for Gordon to put Zeke in the game… it also looks like gordon is talking, and laughing, about it with his coaches… Zeke love is gonna be pretty cool… not sure if Bolt fans (besides those guys)appreciate a guy who will battle every night and win almost all of his fights and huge majority of his face-offs… all i can say is, “I hope Stevie Y enjoys his car washed, and his laundry picked up on time”.
+ LHH turned 2… sniff sniff…. I love you guys!
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An LHH trip would be splendid.
The Bolts feed did pick up some great commentary, and yes I can confirm a lot of Bolts fans really loved Zeke.
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Second the Zeke!
Would have been fun if they could have used him in OT considering most of it didn’t count. Nice interview in-between periods as well.
First Goal Pool
Agree – regular feature, like the beer of the night comment-tree! =p Should we track them all for the end of the season and see who was most prescient?
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We can track them...
…but it would be better if everybody sent me $100 cash… to my PO Box… and I would run a real money pool.
Actually… ONE LHH DOLLAR per pick. Picks must be in before the beginning of the first. If nobody wins the pool rolls over to the second period… each second period pick is one LHH DOLLAR… we can do that through every period for hte rest of the season.. We might create a LHH MILLIONAIRE…
all you need is…
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Some of the other sites at SBN
They used to have a third-party host for these picks (they added a whole bunch of categories though). I think they either died out or the third party stopped hosting them.
But we can probably do it every game and keeping track of just the first goal shouldn’t be too hard. Do we do it first Islanders goal or first goal in the game, period?
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Either way is good...
It could make for a nice roll call.
Establish a FGP format (you know me and my ANSI STANDARDS):
PLAYER/ASSIST1/ASSIST2/TIME (I’d prefer 60MIN format, like 21:30 means 1:30 of the second period)
If we did it that way it would be easiest to track… even easier if all the picks were made on the same thread… with no other info… very clean, precise… then move on.
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Are assist 1/2/Time just tiebreakers, or do you get points for each?
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just tiebreakers...
actually… do away with the assists… time is a good enough tiebreaker.
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Makes sense to me.
Time will be harder to hit too…closest one breaks tie.
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ROAD TRIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????
Are any of the fans on this site traveling to any of the Isles raod games this season? Maybe we could set up some meet-ups while at these other venues. My wife and I have already planned a few trips for this season. We are in the Ft Lauderdale Hilton as I type this and will be attending tomorrow night’s game versus the PussyCats.
Other road trips we have planned are:
Friday, Dec. 3 in the land of the Rats and Roaches (that’d be MSG for those of you not in the know)
Thursday, Dec. 9 in Boston
Thurs., Dec. 23 in The Swamp (New Jersey)
Mon., Dec. 27 in NYC again
Thurs., Feb. 24 in Philthydelphia
Tuesday, March 1 in our nation’s capital vs. Ovie and the Caps
Fri., Mar 18 in Carolina
Sat., Mar. 19 in Florida again
Tues., Mar. 22 in Tampa
Will anyone on this site be at any of these road games?
We’d love to meet more Isles fanatics and wear the Royal Blue proudly in other arenas!!!!
FL on 3/19-22
As i posted above I think that might be nice trip to be on. Florida on Saturday… Golf (and other activitie) Sunday and Monday, and then Tampa on Tuesday. I have family/friends in both places so this is almost a definite for me.
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actually, so do I
And a Isles/LHH road trip would be very interesting… I wonder if I could convince everyone necessary (wife, boss) and scrape up the coin to make this happen.
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Philly 10/30
I’m going to be there, my seats are 3 rows from the glass.
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First in the East, woo!! /celebrates
Seriously though, and some of these are merely restates of earlier commenters’ +/- points:
+: Grabner: He’s getting more relaxed and confident, and it shows. There was a play at one point where he was down low on the goal line, and the puck went back towards the blue line as Tampa took control…and he almost beat the puck to the receiving player. Wow.
+: Jurcina: (As much as this one pains me.) Possibly the most positionally sound Isles D-man for large chunks of the game, he did a great job fouling shooting lanes and taking advantage of his size and reach to force the smaller and faster Lightning forwards wide on the rush.
+: Nino: His game is growing visibly. He looks steadier on the forecheck, smoother in the neutral zone. Pass selection is sometimes a bit iffy though.
+: RDP: Made some key stops.
+: Agitator Line: Gillies/Konopka/Sim – yes, they took a really weird pair of penalties and gave up a 5v3 chance, but they knocked several Bolts off their focus. Also, they seem to be meshing together well – on one offensive zone faceoff they had, Zenon took an extra moment before the draw to reposition Gillies and his movement of Gillies caused the Bolt he was facing off against to reposition himself slightly…which let Zenon pull the puck cleanly back for a win. Even if we only see this line two or three times in a game, I like having it available.
-: Wisniewski: I just gave him credit the other day for not hurting us with gambles. Going the other way tonight. Bergenheim’s breakaway score was directly enabled by the Wiz taking a bad move in the neutral zone. Consistency, young James!
-: Parenteau: He’s still not finishing his checks against the endboards when given the chance. He also eases off a half step before contact instead of driving through it. He’ll be beastly if he starts doing that.
-: Mottau: You all know why.
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-: Parenteau
normally i’m right there with the PAP-smearing (get it) but as long as he’s going to lead us in points, i’ll stay silent on his play…
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Roster gynecology!
Yeah, I like that he’s scoring points and LOVE the work he does on that powerplay halfboard, but it really just bothers me to see him shy from contact like that. =/
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Oh, what he does isn't shying from contact...
…it’s falling down when there’s a slim chance contact might be made!
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I feel the same way
And yet there was a play early last night where he went behind their net and took the hit and got absolutely HAMMERED. It gave me pause. I thought, “Okay, well I guess if he can’t take a hit without getting obliterated maybe I prefer he avoid them and stay healthy.”
There is a knack to how some of those small guys elude hits. (I guess it’s called speed. But some really have a sixth sense.)
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Rypien gets 6 games...
Another confusing decision by the NHL. Apparently, according to their statement on my twitter via various outlets, the fact he shoved an official DID not factor in. HUH????
I wonder if the fan lawyering up did
Wonder if the league doesn’t want to make it look like it was too serious? I don’t know if that’s smart, but I don’t get it regardless. And messing with an official is (used to be?) an automatic 10 games; I can’t believe they left that alone.
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big surprise
a fan lawyered up?? What a shocker. this is the type of society we live in where you can abuse someone else but not take responsibility for the consequences.
by upstateislesfan on Oct 22, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Not surprising of course. Though I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have sought my 15 minutes of fame.
I disagree that the fan was abusive though; he did the mildest of actions — and a player like Rypien who’s being a petulant child deserves some public shaming.
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Education
Now that I have been properly educated as to the whole story, I agree that Rypien is a schmuck. But then again so is this fan. The story made it souns as if the fan had a personal dialogue with Rypien as he left the rink.
by upstateislesfan on Oct 22, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I was duped at first
At first when I heard the fan didn’t want his name out there, I thought “Cool. A guy isn’t looking for cheap fame.” Then I saw he was just consulting with lawyers. The “bottom line, I was assaulted” line was the kicker.
If he’d been hurt or traumatized, fine. I am someone who believes the rule of law and the fear of lawsuits, or the possibility to get compensation through lawsuits, has done a lot of good for Western society. (If the alternative is doing business in China, no thanks.) But if this guy sues for damages, well I think he’s the kind that bogs down the system and gives it a bad rap.
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I agree Rypien wrong, fan douche. Fan had the high ground (both in the rink and morally) and threw it away when he lawyered up.
PS
Can we now make it illegal for those two morons dressed in lime green spandex that crawl on the penalty box in Vancouver to be banned forever?
those guys actually make me laugh
I thought that they were actually living green screens, so that after the game you could take the video and fill in whatever you liked over them – charioteers, Ice Girls, actual Canuck fans…
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It is possible that the guys phone was ringing off the hook by Ambulance Chasers telling him he could get millions.
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i followed this story briefly and this is what I came away with: Rypien gets into a fight, gets sent off the ice. A fan, really close to the locker room walkway excercises his “right” to make a stupid comment. Rypien grabs said fan and tries to engage him in dialogue. Rypien now gets suspended and the fan gets a lawyer. Am I the only person out there who believes that this moronic fan got EXACTLY what he deserved?? How intelligent is this fan if he thinks that Rypien isn’t just a little peeved about getting thrown out of the game and still insists on berating him on his way off. Especially considering the fact that he was close enough to be grabbed. I do not think the price of a ticket covers complete stupidity on the part of fans who think players are somehow not human beings who might react unfavorably to sarcasm.
by upstateislesfan on Oct 22, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
By that logic, if a player scores a goal for the other team and is walking towards the locker I can grab him because I had easy access and he pissed me off? He should know to wait for the cover to be drawn and not allow me to grab him since I am obviously unhappy. Would it be complete stupidity to think I can go into some other teams building upset 18,000 fans and walk out of the building without being pelted by garbage from the fans? After all the fans are only acting human. The fan cheered him being thrown out, he should get a spine or not be in the entertainment business.
except
there is a difference between cheering a player being thrown out and bending over the railing to make a comment. And I believe there should be a certain decorum exhibited by fans at any sporting event. Players should NEVER be pelted with anything for any reason. Purchasing a ticket does NOT give you immunity. If you want to exhibit balls, confront the player outside the rink and see what happens. it is real bravery to abuse someone from the safety of the seats.
by upstateislesfan on Oct 22, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
Did you see the video though?
He didn’t even lean over the railing. He was clapping, standing up, facing the play like any fan would be. I think the fan is silly for going all lawyer about it, but I really think he was just the first thing Rypien saw as he walked off.
Rypien was out of control, and not 30 seconds before that had to be restrained — pinned to the boards — by three teammates and a linesman. He deserved to be made fun of, frankly, as he was acting like a child.
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OOPS
I admit i did not see the whole video. I went on what was reported. Not saying Rypien was not out of control, but you really should be careful about what yousay when you are that close to a pissed off hockey player. Fault lies with both morons.
by upstateislesfan on Oct 22, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yes but
NEVER NEVER go after the fans. NEVER. Let it go. Unless someone is trying to steal your stick or is throwing something at you – and even then, merely pointing out the fool to security is enough. ESPECIALLY in hockey – these guys have lethal razors strapped to their feet and the sticks are very dangerous.
There’s no way the league can let a guy into the stands, even in “legit” retaliation, the way you or I could square off against somebody talking s*** in a bar about our wife or someting. Morally the fan may have been “asking for it” but that doesn’t mean Rypien is permitted to answer like that.
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Agree
I stand corrected. Never thought of it that way.
by upstateislesfan on Oct 22, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
My point was that looking at the video the fan didn’t go crazy and Rypien over reacted. His over reaction is equivalent to an overzealous fan that feels they have a right to throw stuff. It wasn’t abuse it was mild mockery. That I think is the big difference.
if the guy gets season tix out of it, then i may need to heckle more hockey players :-)
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one thing just occured to me
It’s possible that the league limited the suspension to six games BECAUSE the fan started making lawsuit noise – it would help the player’s defense if the league didn’t deem his actions worthy of more time. I think it’s a weak hook to hang that on, but it’s just possible that Bettman and Campbell were thinking like lawyers there instead of like league officials.
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What these two come up with never surprises me. If I recall correctly they suspended a player for an entire season that wasn’t played.
Bertuzzi?
I think that without the lockout, Bertuzzi would have played that year.
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oooooops
Dom, I didn’t see that you had said exactly this about the lawyer and the league. I’m sorry man!
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Great minds, great minds!
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Ugh
NYIslanders NYIslanders
Andrew MacDonald had successful hand surgery today and will be out 4-6 weeks. #isles
Why God, why?
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Looks like hillen or gervais or HAMONIC will be getting some solid ice time.
Gordon can’t baby hillen or whoever is in that spot again with 8min/gm, he’ll overwork everyone else doing that. So is a-mac on IR now? If so, That means someone gets called up right?
Go isles or Go home.
They could put him on IR
But they don’t have to. Interesting decision here. Stand pat at first and see how the new pairings work in Florida?
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Islander Orientation
ISLANDER PRE-SEASON CHECKLIST
NHL fees(extra envelop for the wheel of disciplin spinner)….. check
NHLPA fees so they make sure your NHL11 image doesn’t look like a Ted Kennedy on a bender… check
Take care of locker room guy who keeps Rob Carlin out while your dressing…. check
(GOALIES ONLY) Tip Ice Girls so they wipe your ice…… check
(Fourth Line Centers) Find dry cleaners that deliver to uniondale… check
Lunch from Ben’s Deli for Howie so he pronounces your name correctly (only once if you have an English surname)… check
Reservations at the center for special surgery, make sure there is beer in room during rehab… check
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Thanks longbeach
I added a FanShot up top — not to steer discussion away from this, but in case of visitors arriving and not seeing the update.
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snakebit
Unbelievable!!! Thank God we seem to have enough depth to deal with this. Jack and Bruno can step right in at least. I would wait and see before disrupting one of our prospects.
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completely
irrelevant but, something triggered when i heard jack and bruno…
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NOW who wants to set an over/under
on Man-Games lost due to injury?
7 games in and we’ve lost
Streit – 7
KO – 7
JT – 3
JB – 1
Hunter – 2
20 games lost already, and now A-Mac for 4-6 weeks. Sheesh.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Oct 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
I think there’s a law that we have to have someone out for the season.
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i WAS HOPING
to get back before anyone noticed.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Oct 22, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
I couldn't find the channel so I listened on the radio.
EXCITING!
Individuals don't win Championships, Teams do.
Chase for 28
El Capitan #2
Get Off My Mound
radio was great
that deal they have with hoftra was so smart… whatever the reasoning behind it. game sounded awesome. was so nice hearing kinger and especially hearing how much time was left in the game
by Khan Noonien Singh on Oct 22, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
10 minute review...
Wondering if Tampa feed had the play, but didn’t want to release it because they knew what would happen. And DP had a good game, but still seemed to go down too early at times. If the rest of the league picks up on this, he will be getting beat top shelf a lot more, like St.Louis did. On Bergy’s 2nd breakaway, DP stood his ground and didn’t immediately go down and made a real nice save.
it’s always been my understanding that the the war room in toronto has access to every single camera from both feeds, not even your mother’s camera-phone is off limits
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They're *supposed* to have access
Technically they don’t have it if the broadcasters don’t provide it. The TB story said something about them looking at an angle on the Isles feed, for what it’s worth.
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There was a similar situation in a playoff game, I can’t recall the teams, but the home team feed had a better camera angle on a call under review and did not make it available to the War Room because it would have cost them , so the on-ice call (whatever it was) stood, eventually costing the visiting team the game.. believe there was a large fine involved after that. I did see the MSG2 feed on P2P.eu with the side angle that had Goring going nuts,lol.
by FireGarthSnow on Oct 23, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure this happened in Pittsburgh
Although the Pit incident I’m thinking of wasn’t in the playoffs.
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Survive...
I think we can survive without A-Mac. Hillen, when he rounds into form, and he will, is more than adequate. Keep Bruno out of the lineup and if you have to, call up Kohn from Bridgeport.
We can make it through this, or pull a hamstring trying! LOL
so much bruno love…
i want to see him get the chance to settle once and for all, is he 08-09 bruno, or 09-10 bruno, then we can figure out exactly what to do with him
a profound return... i still love sammy octoberfest :-)
It’ll be the opposite of Animal Farm, everyone knows he’s going to the glue factory and cheers.
After the 2nd Period of Opening Night "Best Period of the year" DevonPSU
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
LeCavalier's Corsi was -9
That’s awful. I don’t remember thinking that LeCavalier looked awful but -9 in one game is hard to argue with.
Nino was +6. He looks like he can handle the NHL. The decision is getting close. I’m very torn about it right now.
Other notables Mottau +10, Eaton -9, Jurcina -9, Martinek -8, Nielsen -7, Comeau -6, Hunter -6, Wiz +5, Weight +5.
A lot has to do with who you are up against. If you’re playing against St Louis all game its going to hurt your Corsi.
Yeah, it’s very context dependent — not just who you play against but also whether coach sends you out for defensive zone (Frans) or offensive zone (JT) draws. So single game ratings are tough, season-long ratings are a little more helpful.
Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
Anyone here going to the Panthers game Saturday?
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Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
