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Islanders Power Ranking Survey

This is an idea completely ripped off from the esteemed Capitals site Japers' Rink (which is not only a great site but also an inspiration for much thievery). So credit them for the idea and WebBard for suggesting we lift it.

Power Rankings are always funny to me: By nature, you're trying to guess who doesn't deserve the normal measure we use for teams (i.e., their record ... and that's not even getting into mikb's "real" record universe). So compiling power rankings can lead to interesting insight but also confounding confusion. (e.g. "Well I know this team is better than their record, but if I move them up then they'll be in sixth...and I don't know if I believe that...and now who do I move back?")

Then there is the whole diction: "Power." I'm pretty sure I was around when the first publication made "power rankings" for what surely wasn't hockey, but for the life of me I can't remember why that term was used. As in, "This team here? They've got lots of power. And that team over there? Well they had lots of power last week, but they have less power now. Is that clear?"

Regardless, here's the survey.

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Note: Most of these were posted Oct. 18 (so before the Toronto game), but sadly there is no International Association of Power Rankings to decide which day of the week a publication compiles their rankings. So just keep in mind they won't always reflect the same moment in the schedule. Not that the voters can catch every game anyway.

 

Survey of Media Power Rankings

Outlet Rank Last Week Their Commentary
CBSSports (Oct. 18) 24 29 Never hurts to have a morale booster like being in first place to start a new week.
Col. Dispatch (Portzline, Oct. 18) 24 27 Not saying the Isles are good. But, like Edmonton in the West, they have nothing to lose this season and won't go away easy most nights.
ESPN (Oct. 18)
17 24 Josh Bailey (seven points in five games) has a message on behalf of his young Isles team: We're ready to win now!
Sportsnet (Brophy) 11 27 John Tavares returned to the lineup and scored a goal in the Islanders 5-2 win over the Avalanche.
Fox Sports (pts. %) 13(t) 23 Blake Comeau's two goals and three assists helped the Islanders collect five of the eight points that were on the table last week.
SB Nation (conf. rank) 5 13 The fact that the Isles have the record they do with the injuries they do is just remarkable.

So how does that look to you? Also: Any publications/ranking lists you'd rather see or would like added?

 

Links

Because I saw and enjoyed them, and you might too:

  • Well, look at this: A Globe and Mail writer (Calgary-based Eric Duhatschek) observes how strange it is to see the Battle of New York being led by the Islanders. [Globe and Mail]
  • One view of how the Islanders handled John Tavares' head injury: Very conservatively. [Toronto Star]
  • If you didn't see Down Goes Brown's transcript of every hockey game ever broadcast, well it could be his best work yet. [Down Goes Brown]
  • This "Great Moments in Uncensored NHL Braodcasts" was delightfully unsafe for work. Warning: It does include the moment Rick DiPietro's life changed. [From the Rink]
  • This is old, but I found Chris Niel's comments on the Wisniewski incident interesting. [SLAM]
  • Since it came up yesterday, here was some of the coverage in Oshawa right after Calvin De Haan returned. [Oshawa Express] [Newsdurhamregion]
  • I'm just gonna say this story was what jinxed Josh Bailey's hip. [nhl.com]
  • Going through Toronto, DiPietro had to go through the "I'm healthy, happy to be here" drill with local media. [Star]

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I’m pretty sure I was around when the first publication made “power rankings” for what surely wasn’t hockey, but for the life of me I can’t remember why that term was used.


You’re looking for the “AP College Football Top 25 Poll” that’s the first power rankings.

by Pauly C on Oct 20, 2010 7:27 AM EDT reply actions  

apparently you’re only supposed to hit ‘blockquote’ once?

by Pauly C on Oct 20, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's odd

If you copy and paste the quote, highlight it in your reply, and hit the button – it should work. What you want to see before you hit “POST” is a matched pair, one open tag and then one close tag – (blockquote) blah blah blah (/blockquote). It’s the backslash that closes the tag and makes it all work.

FWIW I’m the guy who was bollixing my close tags on links a few threads ago, so…. whenever you have doubt, just hit preview first, to make sure it looks the way you want it.

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by mikb on Oct 20, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

You never know when a gremlin will invade your comment

I’m in the habit of previewing just about anytime I do anything but type.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.

by Dominik on Oct 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was the AP Top 25 poll called "power rankings" though?

I always want to ascribe it to SI, like Dr. Z and the NFL or something, but my memory is shot for most things not involving hockey or Killing Joke.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.

by Dominik on Oct 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're just mad..

that we beat their beloved Leafs.

by RDunlop on Oct 20, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

tsn and the rest of Toronto are just unable to get their head out of their butts.

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!

by Martys301 on Oct 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always thought power ranking were for fantasy leagues

Then again I don’t know jack shit about fantasy leagues.

Seems like it’s subjective though. More based on who’s hot and who’s not coupled with the standings.

by Chickendirt on Oct 20, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I don't even know what a reasonable criteria is

You have the standings. Then you have, what, this team is better than it’s shown? Or this team is hit by injuries but will be better? And this team is actually bad but just lucky?

But they stir quite a bit of debate, which is why places make them.

I figure we’ll just track them as a general measure of how the mainstream media perceives the team.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.

by Dominik on Oct 20, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like an idea

My thinking is, any one of these polls may be full of it, but the consensus thereof is a reasonable indicator of the overall mood regarding a team, not clouded too badly by homerism. (Well, not clouded by OUR homerism, anyway.) So maybe, in addition to the individual compilation, we could simply add the ranks and give a mean and a median of the numbers.

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by mikb on Oct 20, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

"It was my understanding there would be no math"

…in the debate.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.

by Dominik on Oct 20, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with power rankings...

…is that they often bear no relationship to reality.
Most publications come out with their first power rankings before games that matter start – it’s really a ranking of expectations and how teams are perceived.
Then, for the first few weeks of the schedule, they feverishly try to adjust so that surprises or major injuries are “accounted” for and they can feel the rankings are “fair”.
Past that point, it’s just an exercise in short-term result tracking – “oh, so-and-so played 4 games last week and went 2-2, that’s good, they’ll stay in place…but other-team played 2 games and went 2-0, so they clearly had a better week than so-and-so and should be ranked higher…”

There used to be a SI.com NFL writer who tried to keep track of who beat who and incorporate it in his rankings – no team which had beaten another team head to head would be ranked lower if he could help it. Which is a nice idea in theory, but even in the NFL with it’s much shorter schedule, it would be thrown out by midway through the season. (Usually due to the Raiders fluke victory over a contender.)

So can we please, please, please post a huge disclaimer on these posts explaining that the “last ranking” is just an indexing reference of how the writers for each of these rankings or polls perceives our team to be playing in comparison to the prior week? Please? =p

Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.

by MTBVibe on Oct 20, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

the great Dr. Z

I miss Paul Zimmerman’s work very much. From what I understand, he’s still trying to recover from a series of strokes two years ago. Still partially paralyzed and he can’t talk. The guy’s nearly 80, but still fighting. I really hope he can recover and enjoy the time he still has.

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by mikb on Oct 20, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's the one.

He was much more of a sportswriter (and writer period) than Simmons, Reilly, or Albom…and they keep getting the plaudits and awards, much to my dismay.

It’s truly a crime that those strokes have stolen his ability to communicate.

Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.

by MTBVibe on Oct 20, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know Dr. Z from back in the day, but is he the one whose wife was releasing some of his old journal notes and unfinished stuff recently? I thought I read some really cool outtakes from the 1980 “Boycott” Olympics in Moscow, which was excellent stuff that his editors didn’t want to run.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.

by Dominik on Oct 20, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I shall look into this.

Post-haste.

(Or after I get back from the dentist later today.)

Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.

by MTBVibe on Oct 20, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here it is

This was some great stuff IMO.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.

by Dominik on Oct 20, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you kindly!

Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.

by MTBVibe on Oct 20, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Usually due to the Raiders fluke victory over a contender.)

I love random moments of fan hate.

And absolutely, there will be disclaimers galore. I’m all about disclaimers. I’m not even certain this universe I’m in is real.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.

by Dominik on Oct 20, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

All we can prove is that thought occurs!

Although we’re fairly certain none of that thinking is done by Al Davis.

Oh, it’s not Raiders hate – I’m a Giants fan – just frustration that the NFL lets a senile old man with a confrontational history with the league continue to run a franchise into the ground.

But hey, at least he works a mean overhead projector!

Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.

by MTBVibe on Oct 20, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is a shame with David and the Raiders. Then again, I have a few psycho Raiders fans who I’ve enjoyed see slink into humble resignation the better part of the last, oh, 20 years. (Hey, if I’ve gotta take it with the Isles I’m going to pick at their wounds too.)

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.

by Dominik on Oct 20, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Although we’re fairly certain none of that thinking is done by Al Davis"

It’s because he’s dead.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:1Yn7CFTpv5vE8M::boards.ign.com/college_football/b8546/188474104/p3/&t=1&usg=AFrqEzebDRnJ0lm2anvq6K2my7DBQ_69Og

Some suspensions are worth it!!!

by Keith Quinn on Oct 21, 2010 12:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I believe from reading your post that you are wondering how power rankings would be calculated. If I’m mistaken, then move along. Nothing to see here….

Here’s the most basic method. For simplicity, let’s say Team A is being calculated, and whomever they played against is Team B:

1) Add the winning percentage of each Team B they have defeated.
2) Add to that half the winning percentage of the Team B’s that Team A has tied.
3) Add nothing for losses.

Sometimes, instead of (3) above, a certain amount is subrtracted. Sometimes it’s just Team B’s winning percentage (making it just as negative an impact as (1)‘s positive impact). Sometimes the difference between the two team’s winning percentages is subtracted.

This is done for each game, and the numbers are added up. The higher the total number, the team is in the power rankings.

However, the rankings you have shown are more likely done through concensus opinions of the news organizations’ staffs. Not too scientific.

You can damage a player’s head, but don’t you dare damage the league’s image!

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Oct 20, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

WGAS

This is one of those media driven exercises in futility that I try to pay no attention to, but I love to read them anyway. Usually because whoever is compiling them has some sense of humor evident in his comments. The fact that the Rangers have now lost Gaborik, Drury and Prospal makes the next rankings interesting. They lost to Colorado and Toronto, we beat both without Streit, Okposo, Schremp and Bailey. If we somehow end up behind the Rangers again, it will be one more indication of how little credit the Islanders receive from the media. WGAS (Who Gives A Shit).

by upstateislesfan on Oct 20, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

we need a subsection of the Lighthouse Glossary

… just for all the acronyms.

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by mikb on Oct 20, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

ADS

The Acronym Decryption Section!

Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.

by MTBVibe on Oct 20, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now THAT would keep this site fiscally viable for a long time!

“Lighthouse Hockey fans just love the site’s ADS!!!!”

You can damage a player’s head, but don’t you dare damage the league’s image!

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Oct 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is one of those media driven exercises in futility that I try to pay no attention to, but I love to read them anyway.

Exactly. They’re pretty much a dartboard, in every sense of the word.

Lighthouse Hockey: You say that like Streit and Okposo and Schremp and Bailey were important.

by Dominik on Oct 20, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

power rankings are generally a load of...

and so… i believe the best answer to “what is the islanders’ power ranking?” is 42.

by Icelanders on Oct 20, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Power Rankings are meh...

You know, people that write up these power rankings usually rely on ancillary stuff like goals for and goals against. Funnily, the Isles, for now at least, are second in the east and tied for third in the league in goals for and are in the middle of the pack in goals against. They definitely deserve more respect for right now, but no one wants to put the Isles near the top and get any kind of flack for it. Pretty weak considering its the beginning of the season and there isn’t too much risk in pointing out that the team is earning points.

by Sandmj83 on Oct 20, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Adding another ranking...

Yahoo Sports hockey writer Ross McKeon:
NHL Power Rankings

On the 19th, he had us as 12th, previously 21st, and cited the development of Bailey.

Lighthouse Hockey: I go there for their taste in beer.

by MTBVibe on Oct 21, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

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