Stars 4, Islanders 3: DiPietro's return shows rust, Turco gives it WD-40
How to quantify Rick DiPietro's first NHL start in 371 days? We knew there would be rust, there was rust. We hoped there would be athleticism, there was athleticism. We feared there would be puckhandling, there was plenty of puckhandling.
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Four goals allowed, none of them embarrassing, yet most of them stoppable by a true #1 on an in-form night. Ironically, though DiPietro showed he has a ways to go to round back into form, he probably wasn't the worst goalie on the ice. That honor went to Marty Turco, whose swimming and snow angels in the crease gave me hope 'till the final horn, and whose puckhandling follies gave Frans Nielsen a goal outright.
One thing I hate to mention because just hours ago I fumed about Mike Milbury touting it so much on draft day 10 years ago (and WebBard rightly suggested it in the game thread): Rick DiPietro's puckhandling, which makes so many of us nervous, nonetheless helped break the puck out better than the defense often does. DiPietro's wanderings were largely effective, in contrast to Turco's. As I thought 10 years ago, that's not an essential skill, but it's nice to have.
Scott Gordon's take and video after the jump:
"I thought it was a great first game for him," Gordon said. "For a first game, I'll take it."
I agree with the second statement, but not the first. There was nothing "great" about it unless not re-injuring anything and not getting embarrassed was the threshold for greatness. But it was no worse than can be expected, and for the first game in this process, I'll take that.
But you can review all the goals in the video below and decide for yourself. I was more disappointed with the Islanders play for the balance of 60 minutes than I was by DiPietro's failure to look in mid-season form in his first start.
The Goals: All Seven at Even Strength, None Particularly Pretty
Sloppy game by both teams.
As for the goals DiPietro let in:
- #1: A point shot deflected by the hashmarks through the five-hole. Not great, but a deflection.
- #2: A nice backhand feed to the slot left Loui Eriksson all alone, with time to pick a perfect corner high glove side. A goalie can make that save, but if he does it's a highlight reel one.
- #3: Just an awful play by Brendan Witt behind the net, leaving a weak backhand off the boards intended for Bruno Gervais, as Witt vacated the area. Just like Kyle Okposo's goal off of Josh Bailey's forecheck, the snafu behind the net helped cross signals for the goalie. Brendan Morrow took a nice feed in front while skating against the grain, leaving DiPietro overcompensating, which is not good, but the confusion of the play may have led him to miss what shooters were approaching.
- #4: The worst one, though with no rebound help from the defense. DiPietro made the initial save from the left wing -- he actually made several decent saves on 28 Stars shots -- but he kicked the rebound out to the opposite side of the slot. Andy Sutton and Nate Thompson were both there, but neither could clear it before Brad Richards banged it in. That said, it was a no-brainer for Richards because DiPietro moved across the crease like an old man on that one.
And that last one is what will be the thing to watch most in this comeback: How is he moving around the crease on recoveries? Is he able to track the puck and react at an adequate rate? His reactions on initials shots were good, and his rebound control was adequate. We'll just have to see about the rest, which is the area that distinguishes an NHL goaltender from one who doesn't make the cut. Chickendirt suggested in the game thread that a lack of lower body strength may be behind some of the slow responses; I hope so. "Rust" can take many forms, so we just have to go through the process.
(I don't want to overanalyze the first run of what will be quite a journey. But for the first night, when the news is fresh, I thought I'd give a full report for those who didn't see it.)
Guys Not Named DiPietro
The rest of this game was typical of the Islanders when they're at half-full, half-empty mode. Some nice heads-up play by the young core: Josh Bailey buries the rebound of the bad bounce by Turco; Bailey's good forecheck bounces the puck right out to Kyle Okposo; Matt Moulson catches Turco trying to do too much, feeding Frans Nielsen for the tap-in.
But the Islanders forecheck tuned out for long stretches. Their pressure and poise in the final minute, with the sixth attacker, made you wonder where the urgency was the rest of the game. The powerplay, with only 1.5 opportunities, didn't get much going, though it did create some scrambles around the goal that Turco narrowly escaped.
On defense, the Islanders came back to help protect DiPietro quite a bit (sometimes too much, as there were two near-collisions between D-men and The Franchise). But overall, they ran around a lot and DiPietro was the best defense on their forecheck: His clears did more to relieve the pressure than anything. That's not a good sign, but it's a sign you're watching the Islanders blueline corps, circa 2009-10.
Next Up: To the Desert
Saturday night in the desert, making this a back-to-back with the much better team on the second night. But with Dwayne Roloson in, we've got a chance.
Open Question: Where's John Tavares? Seriously. Be it injury or be it fatigue, it's hanging in the air.
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Sorry I could not answer or keep up with the blog tonight. Working on the Samsung Omnia is not the easiest task.
To answer the questions that I saw but did not have a chance to get to:
I drank with an Islander fan originally from Poughkipsee (I know it is wrong but I am too tired to look it up right now) upstate New York. He is now going to TCU for his masters in history. His name was Keith and he was a true fan…wearing the DP jersey.
I did not pay attention to the goal song for the Stars. Although I like the Stars I hate watching the Isles get scored on and I tend to tune that stuff out.
I could not find the power closets to kill the power but the “pub” was right outside our section so no problem getting to my Sam Adams. :)
Witt may as well become a hazard at a miniature golf course because he find himself a little more useful there. Please understand that I once loved Witt but he is playing with 2 flat tires now and watching wingers blow right by him was painful.
Comeau surprised me with his lazy defensive play. He was standing in the passing lane in the first period and the Stars had to literally miss his immobile stick to send a flat pass to the point for a shot. Seriously I could have had more effort then he showed me.
Sutton appeared to hurt himself in the first when he missed a big check and he hit the boards. He did not look the same after that miss. In fact the Stars 4th goals went right through his legs 2 times before it beat DP I believe. Thompson was also to blame for this terrible play. To quote Herb Brooks they looked like monkeys trying to FU#& a football in front of their net on that play not to mention a couple of others.
Rob Schremp may not be the best decision maker in all situations but he works hard and he really impressed me after watching him away from the puck. The guy is always looking for the next place to set up of get to to receive or make a pass. I can honestly say that other than Bailey and Okposo he was the only other player that has his head up and looking around even when he has the puck. I know that KO had to learn that the hard way but he really makes an effort to look around now from what I can see.
The Stars fans are really nice and they are a strange mix of people. One of the asked me how to properly pronounce KO’s last name. Then sitting right next to him were some Finnish Dallas fans that kept cheering for Leitenin (sp? too tired to look up). It was like listening to something out of Slapshot when hearing them chant for him.
The crowd was alive and dead throughout the game. To be honest I have been to Isles games at home where I have heard less from the crowd. However, I think that if they had a traditional organ there they might get more excitement. That is a personal bias but I think it would work. Some of the songs that they play are just…not right. They try too hard.
Finally when my fiance and I arrived she noticed that there were some Isles fans tailgating at the arena approximately 3 hours before the game in 22 degree weather. I told her that we were dedicated fans that are used to the sweeping winds of Uniondale and an Arctic blast in Dallas was nothing for them. That was pretty funny.
I am starting to believe that the guy that hit Brendan Witt with the SUV was Swiss.
Holy ... awesome report
Wow, thanks for this! Hope it was fun, despite the loss. Sounds like it was.
It’s all great, but this one’s a personal bias I share:
I think that if they had a traditional organ there they might get more excitement. That is a personal bias but I think it would work.
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I love traditional organ. IMO the music at hockey games should be nothing but organ music, hard rock, and classic singalong/clapalong type things. All the pop music and dance music and rap music and all that GOTS TA GO.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 9, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Dead on assesment.
I was kinda suprised that the place was only 3/4 full for a Friday night game. Good reprensentation by Isles fans. I did see a rather big guy wearing a Finland Lehtinin sweater. Kinda funny. The Stars gameday presentation has improved over the years but the Gary Glitter "Rock n Roll II " has gotta go. The given nickname for the Stars crowd is the “Cocaine and Boob Job Set.” They just kinda show up as the game goes along and are there to be seen and then go to the Jack Daniels Club after the game, where if you aren’t wearing Diesel Jeans and an Affliction T-Shirt it is hard to get a drink.
Agreed on Witt and will add that Hillen looked just as lost out there
by IslesguyinDallas on Jan 9, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
"Cocaine and Boob Job Set."
This is entering my lexicon. Thank you!
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It was that last goal that concerned me. We all knew DP would be rusty, but it looked like he was afraid to even kick the leg out to make the save off the rebound, like he was holding back to avoid injury. Saying he moved across the crease like an old man was giving him too much credit on that one. (Just saw it again, he gave up on it. Not even an attempt to stop Richards).
His reaction afterward on that one was odd. Definitely disappointed in himself, but I’m not sure if it was the rebound itself or his inability/failure to move across or what. Physically, he looked capable of that movement earlier in the game … so could it be fatigue? Or a year of rust? He certainly faced more shots in Bridgeport, but probably of lesser quality.
I’m trying not to be naive but also figuring even a perfect scenario will require a lot of patience, because I can’t imagine what this process is like for an athlete.
You going to be at the game in Phoenix?
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No…..a few things happened here( the reason for my disappearance) that set me back a small fortune. Just getting things back to semi-normal. Shooting for B2B in LA-Anaheim in March, but right now that’s iffy at best. Plus, Kings fans are drunken morons. And we thought Rags fans were bad………..
Bummer. Sorry to hear it … hope things have settled down.
Heh, I’ve yet to do the NHL SoCal style.
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Witt is pathetic
I yelled at my tv a good 4 or 5 times tonight just trying to watch him play 5 on 5… he turned it over 3 times in our defensive zone on one possesion and we somehow managed to keep them out of the net… but that one turnover that gave them the easy game tying goal was absolutely unacceptable. this guy cannot compete at the nhl level and it is blatently obvious. I don’t care if he is a nice guy and buys tickets for people that cant normally go to the games and I dont care that he got hit by a truck in philly he cannot continue to play games for us because we cant hide his atrocious inability without tremendous team speed around him and we dont have that… the most comfortable i felt with out Defense this year was when Witt was out for personal reasons. There is no doubt in my mind that Gordie Howe could lace up and skate better and make better decisions than this bum.
Hell why not let Tambellini play D ahead of this guy… the deflection goal was a result of Witt not being strong enough to lift the offensive players stick in front of the net (which is the one thing he is expected to do) and the game tyer was a direct result of his horrible turnovers. Something has to be done , there are much more deserving players out there.
Its not like this guy has bled for us for 10 seasons…
Tavares needs a little press box time. He is slow, and weak, which will take NHL playing time to fix. The biggest problem, which some time watching should help, is that he seems to have settled in to some lazy play. No urgency, no second effort physically. He should sit and watch every Bergie shift for a few games. Also time to exile Tambellini from the stands and let him play the rest of the season. If you don’t like him then, let him go. Finally, anyone else watch the pregame last night and see how skinny Schremp is?Honestly, his arms look like he is in Jr. high. The Isles need to put up signage so he can find the weight room.
Hmm, I had exactly the same ideas after the game at Colorado. But in my opinion, yesterday’s game has been a first step in the right direction. It’s been Tavares’ best night in about two weeks, I’d say, and at least partly, that urgency was finally there again. I particularly liked the last 10 minutes and could imagine further improvement tonight.
And here I am starting to consider your original scratch idea a little more.
I wouldn’t mind more attempts at an uber-line with him, though. KO/Bailey/Tavares or something like that. If he’s not hurt, whenever he snaps out of this I think I’ll be as confused at the trigger as we were at what caused the slump.
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I find it absolutely shocking that he is still leading rookies in points.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 9, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I know
That and homerism was actually why I voted him for mid-season Calder in our SBN poll. Just thought, slump be damned, I should recognize how much he had on his shoulders from Day 1 and how well he handled it.
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Come back Bergie
after seeing that display or lack of skating ability it will be much welcomed watching Bergie dig deep every stride out there working for every inch as opposed to that soft garbage we saw last night… we need more guys like him working hard every shift with that fire in there belly.
BTW I love Doug Weight but his skating ability is just not there to be a full time player. He needs his 5 on 5 time to be extremely limited and be a PP specialist but unfortunately on our squad we need solid minutes from all 4 lines so I think they gotta move Douggie to a contender with a deeper team that can hide him better.. Perhaps a package deal with Biron to a contender (Detroit) for some picks or prospects??
No Surprises
This is what I expected tonight. I thought he played well actually. Yes a couple softer goals, but it’s going to take him sometime to get back to where he was. Good first step
Yes a couple softer goals, but it’s going to take him sometime to get back to where he was. Good first step
Agreed. And thats exactly what it was- a first step. Seriously- how unrealistic are some peoples expectations? Rick is not going to be a starter in the NHL for a LONG TIME.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 9, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I thought he played well also… yes a little rusty but still played well.
He created the rush for us 4-5 times with just clean breakout passes that we dont see from our goalies or even our Dmen really. He got into trouble a couple of times trying to play pucks he shouldn’t have but thats if thats an indication of anything its that he is back to normal so im not too worried about it.
Our team played terrible D in front of Rick. Two goals were a direct result of Witt being the most inept player in the NHL and rebound goal was 20% Rick for a juicy rebound but 80% Andy Sutton… Sutts just stood there in front of the net. He didnt pick up the puck visually to make a play , He didnt take the body on the man crashing the net , and he didnt lift the guys stick who was crashing the net. Essentially Sutton was a cardboard cutout of a defenseman on that goal and the player just gobbled up that juicey rebound with no opposition from Andy… Aweful D last night
Ricco.....
- The Rick, by any other name…..etc. etc.
Very, VERY concerned about going with this kid – yes, he’s still something of a kid; as exciting as his playmaking and puckhandling can be, I strongly believe that the series of severe injuries so early in his career has stunted the natural process of gaining confidence in understanding what elements of his game are more consistently effective (whether instinct or educated guesses) risky and downright dangerous, both to himself and his team…..based upon the description of Dallas’ final goal, I have to believe that DP is still haunted by any number of ‘game ghosts’ and will be second-guessing himself for quite some time as he did on that one…..can this team as presently constituted afford that luxury? I don’t think so…..can he adapt to a less risky style without losing his very essence? Possibly, but all the same, Roloson must remain our No. 1 into next season and while still supporting his efforts to do so, we all must be prepared to accept that Rick may not make it all the way back – quite literally, Time will decidedly tell.
The rest of this game was typical of the Islanders when they’re at half-full, half-empty mode.
Totally agree on this one. Many games ending with a defeat have been somewhat similar and I’ve always been wondering, whether the Islanders were lacking a lot or just a little bit… Very much so again after this game. I missed that urgency and thought that quite a lot of things were not clicking. A big part of that were in my opinion still the line combinations. Earlier in the season, whenever the Islanders had a few tough minutes and needed someone to have a good shift, to get out of the zone quickly and establish a good forecheck, I always felt confident with Okposo-Nielsen-Bergenheim/Bailey. Sometimes even with the 4th line. Equally, whenever they dominated play and a goal seemed to be only a matter of time, I felt confident with Tavares’ or Nielsen’s lines. But right now, in key situations, I don’t feel with confident with any line…
Tavares can’t be your go-to guy at the moment and hasn’t clicked with Comeau. Nielsen seems to lack of the quick guys he’s worked best with. Park/Thompson have been worse and worse and Weight doesn’t seem to fit in there anyway. Schremp and Sim have improved, but of course have deficits and still have quite many ineffective nights also… I know, Dom, you don’t like putting the best/hottest players together, but I really think this team has worked best like that. They need a couple of lines doing well (in key situations) to get their game going and then usually have the others spending decent time in the offensive zone as well.
Like an old car, I just hope the rust isn’t whats keeping it from falling apart.
My Dad: “Why don’t you get rid of the rust on your car?”
Me: “Then what am I going to do for a car?”
SHOOOOOOOT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Jan 9, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I think Gordon’s prerequisite for DiP having a great first game was just him not getting hurt again.
"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."
And DiP got an assist, so he did better than most of the D.
SHOOOOOOOT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Jan 9, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL- so sad, and so true.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 9, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Gordon’s prerequisite for DiP having a great first game was just him not getting hurt again
I think that was the prerequisite for more than just Gordon.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 9, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think DiP stunk last night, he has never impressed me anyway. Isles should shop him and Biron and get a goalie to compliment to Roli.
He did not “stink” he just wasnt anything special- at all.
What people need to get throught their heads is that right now he is the Isles BACKUP GOALIE. If you think that he sucked compared to other backup goalies, I think you need to watch more backup goalies.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 9, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I think DiP stunk last night,
I think the D hung him out to dry, your goalie normally is not be the Make/Break point of the team. Most nights, the goalie is as good as the defence. Last night, for too much of the game, DiP was the defence. The goalie should be there to block the puck, and as was pointed out to me last night, to set the defence. I find it unrealistic to expect the goalie to “stand on his head” every game, for 60 minutes a game.
Not that I am defending all goalies, I played Fullback in soccer, and half the time the goalie was just another upright that might bounce the ball! I still made them look good, but that was due to good defence on my part. The good ones, I made look fantastic.
We now return this soapbox to it’s regularly scheduled use.
SHOOOOOOOT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Jan 9, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhh...
your goalie normally is not be
your goalie normally is not supposed to be
SHOOOOOOOT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Jan 9, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
My thoughts from the second deck last night...
Finally nice of the NHL to send the Isles to Dallas after almost 4 seasons. They gotta go back to the old way of scheduling! Islander nation was represented well in the 3/4 full arena and I enjoyed talking with a few of you before the game during warmups.
This was a frustrating game to watch. The D just couldnt clear the zone all night. Why not just slam it outta there and take the icing, win the faceoff, then get fresh legs out there. I think alot of the confusion had to deal with the unfamiliarity of working with DP(have skates will travel!!). NO leash on him last night huh? They did hustle back to negate some odd man rushes by the Stars.
DiPietro was rusty, but did make some nice saves out of the gate. Frommy seat right at the goal mouth of DP in 1st and 3rd periods, he looked slow as heck, almost tenative getting across the crease.
Some missed Highsticking calls by the refs as they let them play for two peroids. the one on Schremp in the first the most obv. Behind the play, I thought Streit and Ott would go at it a few times but linesman wouldn’t let it develop.
I was impressed with Weight’s line last night, they seemed to have the most energy, and with Turco being soft it was a shame that we couldn’t crank up the forecheck and generate chances.
All in all I think the Isles left at least one point out there last night as both these teams love a shootout.
Oh yeah, a nice “Lets Go Islanders!” chant during the only full PP
by IslesguyinDallas on Jan 9, 2010 11:31 AM EST reply actions
Thanks for the report! You guys represented well. Now only three more years till the next one…
It’s funny, on the broadcast early on Jaffe was saying how DP assured Gordon he wouldn’t be wandering … then after a few minutes it was never mentioned again; clearly he wasn’t holding back. He definitely looked better skating to the corners than he did moving across the crease.
I expected the Stars would try lots of passes to force him moving side-to-side, but I guess that’s easier said than done. You take what you can get.
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I was pretty pleased
DP didn’t get killed, which I think shows he can at least be a decent co-backup with Biron for a while provided he stays healthy. And to top it off he added to his points total in his first game back. I’m still eagerly awaiting my chance to see DP bag an empty-netter one day.
Seeing Okposo score again warms my heart because he just does too many things correctly to not be rewarded. Bailey’s hot streak continues said heartwarming.
Tavares needs a night off to watch a game and see what’s paying off for the other young players.
DP
I just don’t understand why they wouldn’t let him play as many games as he needs , in the AHL instead of giving up possible points that can get them into the playoffs..
CBA and ... pride?
You can’t send an NHL contracted veteran to the AHL for more than a 14-day rehab stint (there can be multiple stints if there’s a new health setback/reason for a second rehab) without passing him through waivers, then through re-entry waivers (where a claiming team only pays half the salary) on his way back up.
Now, who in their right mind would claim his contract and his health question off of waivers? No one this side of Mr. Milbury. But I wonder if, for now at least, they wouldn’t even want to broach that avenue for the symbolism/pride/etc. of it. I’d trust that Sudsie and Dunham gave honest assessments of his Bridgeport play and think he was close enough to NHL form to not need something drastic. There were moments last night where I thought, “Okay, he looks like he has the tools to be an NHL goalie” and moments where he looked old. Hard for me to guess the pace of progress from that point. I guess for everyone this is new territory.
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Maybe not on waivers but there is NO WAY Rick DiPietro would make it through re-entry waivers. 2.25M a year for Rick DiPietro? And if he retires they are off the hook? What team would say no to that???
Thankfully, the Isles will not go there.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 9, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot to mention that DP was REALLY stretching the left leg on every tv timeout. He practically stretched it throughout every break.
I am starting to believe that the guy that hit Brendan Witt with the SUV was Swiss.
Wow. I’m hoping that is zealous fidelity to his rehab stretches. I’m really really trying not to think about it.
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Well at least they got it out of the way
It’s about all you can expect from someone who was off a full year. At least the Isles have another body that can stick handle deep in their own zone. The fourth goal bothered me by DP as he did not move on the rebound shot. No excuse for DP to leave that much room open for so long a time. The left knee just might not do what the brain is asking it so he’ll get a pass for a little while. I do think he’ll work on his lateral movement in practice but real NHL game situations is the only way he’ll get come back strong. The third period he did not see much action so hopefully that helps him feel better today. Before the Isles decide what to do with DP I want to see him get more action in. I’ve stated before that the playoffs are not the priority for this underskilled team. DP is a priority going forward. Rick is still the best option in the system long term both talent wise and payroll wise.
DPs return
I feel good. He looked healthy to me. Rusty yes, poor rebound control, a little slow, But I think our fear of his wandering resulting in goals devalues the benefits of a strong puck moving goalie. This could have a major positive impact on Go-Go’s system. More scoring for the young offence. Better break outs for slower “D”. Shake the rust and let’s score some goals boys!
Side Bar
350+ comments for the game thread? WOW! I wonder if there will be the same interest for DiP’s first home game?
SHOOOOOOOT!!!! Anon

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