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Flyers 2, Islanders 1: In the end, no fights, same result

"If I throw my limbs up like this it means I didn't really interfere, right?"

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"If I throw my limbs up like this it means I didn't really interfere, right?"

The Islanders dressed enforcer Trevor Gillies for his 2nd NHL game, but in the end he and his six shifts -- none in the 3rd were not a factor (unless you subscribe to the theory of an enforcer's presence making opponents behave). They did show more fight in terms of the after-whistle scrums and general tomfoolery that accompanies most of their meetings with the Flyers.

Far more significantly, the Isles again had a weak first period. The Flyers didn't really play that well -- changing their lines, they still appear to be a flawed team -- but their two first-period goals were enough to withstand periodic comeback attempts. What ails the Islanders, whether temporary or intrinsic to this squad, is up for debate.

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Josh Bailey got the only Islanders goal on a play where Kyle Okposo rushed the net with the puck. That tendency, displayed most by Okposo and a bit by Sean Bergenheim, is an age-old technique that the Islanders could use a lot more of.

They appeared to be tentative -- again -- in the face of the Flyers, but perhaps with the help of a little fighting back from young Andrew MacDonald and Sean Bergenheim on Scott Hartnell, they found some courage. Coach Scott Gordon has talked of the size mismatch with these two teams, and at least Rob Schremp for one said before the game it was "comforting" to have an enforcer like Gillies in the lineup. To what degree the Islanders are actually rather than theoretically intimidated by Philadelphia is immeasurable; but after today's loss they haven't won in 14 games against the Other Orange.

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Goaltending: An area where Dwayne Roloson makes Rick DiPietro still look rusty is how Roloson tracks the movement of the puck on every play (even when the puck is not shot, but could be shot) without losing position in his crease. Roloson is a fundamentally sound goalie wed to good habits. It's reassuring when he's in net; he gives them a chance.

Speaking of Roloson, I really thought he was going to lose it there on the goal that was later correctly waived off. I had visions of Curtis Joseph sliding in for the tackle. Thankfully he held up -- even thought better of trashing his stick -- which may have allowed the referee pow-wow that ultimately disallowed the goal. Which was the right call, by the way: Even before their body collision as the puck went in, Hartnell was in the crease making contact with Roloson's glove, which was trying to get to that space.

The 'Comeback' Attempt: The Islanders played well for the second half of the game. The waiving off of the goal that -- had it stood despite the interference -- would have made it 3-0 may have been a "momentum" turning point. If that's what it took to get the Isles in gear and realize they were playing today, that's kind of sad.

The Enforcer Effect: One result of a low-minute enforcer in the lineup is his linemates shift with someone from the upper lines, and it ultimately drags their ice time down. After Gillies' 3:16, Jon Sim had 8:44.

A Heavy Weight? I'm a little amused by people piling on Doug Weight as if he's holding this team back. His speed and durability is not what it once was, but he's playing 3rd-line minutes and manning a powerplay point that no one else has shown an ability to do better. Undisciplined (and soft) third-period penalty aside, that's hardly the obstacle keeping the Islanders from some great height. Sure, his presence is symptomatic of where the Isles are in terms of a free agent destination and meeting the cap floor, but it's not the cause, and he's not even a burdensome salary. And if this matters, the franchise's biggest future star speaks highly of Weight's effect as a mentor and sounding board while John Tavares makes the difficult transition from junior star to 19-year-old NHLer.

Hitting: By the end, I think the Islanders had been more physical than they've been in a while. Bergenheim and Freddy Meyer -- always good for a solid check or two -- were credited with four hits each. It's the rest of the team that could still pick up its physicality though, including one-time hit machine Trent Hunter (officially zero hits today). Maybe Jeff Tambellini can show them how a smart way to kick-start things when you're slumping is by hitting any chance you get; he's certainly been in that role before.

Danny Carcillo, General Tool: Let's see, so Dan Carcillo milked the boarding penalty on Meyer by playing dead and staying face down for a European-soccer-like amount of time to try to convert a two-minute minor into a four or five; he threw his head back dramatically on Weight's penalty when all Weight did was reach an arm up high; and he ran into Roloson and made Avery-like drama out of pretending to do it by accident. I've heard many stories (and seen some examples) of the unsightly part of his game, but I didn't realize it included so much melodrama. Whenever someone defends a pest who brings that much embellishment to his game with "You hate him but you'd love to have him on your team," my answer is always the same: Actually, I'd prefer not to. I just like my hockey with less cheese.

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Next up is Sunday in south Florida. Despite Roloson's solid work on 32 shots, with the back-to-back I assume DiPietro is starting against a Panthers team that's played the Isles pretty well this season. As with today and Thursday in Tampa, this will be another match with a team in that same congested cluster of the Eastern bubble. By Thursday, several teams will have made up some of those games in hand. If the Islanders hope to stay in the bubble conversation, they'd be wise to do Florida better than they did the mid-Atlantic.

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They are who we thought they were

After all the hope and disection of play, I am taken back to the immortal words of Dennis Green, ‘they are who we thought they were’. I think this goes for both Philly and the Isles. The kneejerk reaction of bringing in some muscle to try to break the losing streak illustrates that. We knew who Philly were and we knew we weren’t equipped to handle it, and the result didn’t change through the tinkering, and through it, and the last 4 games, perhaps we’ve been greeted with the reality that we are who we thought WE were too, a talented young team who isn’t quite ready yet but capable of glimpses. A few weeks ago the prospect of the olympic break was demoralizing in that we thought it could put a block on the inspired uptick in results, now it can’t come soon enough. They remain on the bubble due to surprisingly long line of results continuing to benefit them on a nightly basis, but it seems we have all been best served by the nightly admonitions of caution from one of us to another to be wary of what we were seeing and don’t expect any miracles in year 2.

Claude LaPointe didn't make as good a pun, sadly.

by LaChance at Glory on Jan 30, 2010 7:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Bowing in awe

And throwing in the video link for good measure.

I guess my solace will be that at least we didn’t crown their ass nor let them off the hook. (There was no hook, right?)

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Jan 30, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nothing new

Gordon needs some lessons on how to utilize a physical presence. He bitches that his mild, weak (ok, my words) team doesn’t hit, wants them to “knock someone on their ass” and then uses Gillies for 3 minutes, some with tavares and okposo. What a dope.

BTW, if your offense has essentially flatlined, how about releasing a guy who is on a 25-30 goal pace from the bench? What law would be broken if Sim or Park sat while Tambs gets a shot. The worst thing about this season is how this organization is wasting that poor kids time and delaying his career. I have absolutely no doubt that he will become a consistent 20-30 goal guy somewhere else in this league. I just can’t understand how he can’t get rotated into the lineup, I mean, it’s laughable that Gordon thinks that this lineup is even close to being so good that at least 6 forwards couldn’t sit every night.

I understand that the loss of Hillen hurts, but shortening the D bench is a counterintuitive way to respond. Now you have less qualified guys overplaying instead of spreading the load out.

So long Trevor Gillies, it would have been nice to have gotten to know you.
 

by randyboyd on Jan 30, 2010 7:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think in order to let someone off the hook you need to have them on the hook at some point, you know, cause and effect :)

Claude LaPointe didn't make as good a pun, sadly.

by LaChance at Glory on Jan 30, 2010 7:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I think next season when we’re a young team that’s a year older, we’ll beat the Flyers and it will mean something. I think the Flyers are one of those teams that during this whole 14 game streak have just been a better, more talented team then us. Its one of those things that we can look to as a sign for the future, especially as Bailey, Tavares, Okposo are a year older and a year better and as players Like Pronger are a year older and slower.

"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."

by WebBard on Jan 30, 2010 8:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Anything can still happen...

but unless JT starts scoring goals, this team will not make the playoffs. It could be that he is playing through an injury and the Olympic break will be what it takes to turn his game around.

The team is also paying the price for not adding a defenseman this past summer. I am thinking, for example, of Martin Skoula who is now doing yeoman service for our Steel City rivals. Adding at least two defensive FAs this summer is a must.

Looking at the season, were it to end today, we can draw MANY positives. Nothing need be said about Matt Moulson—except that I got a real kick out of razzing the LA Times’ Helene Elliott who had pointedly assured me that Lombardi had given Matt every chance to succeed and that he could do nothing well. And I will admit that Rob Schremp has earned a roster spot for the foreseeable future.

Weight, Sutton, and Sim have all played well enough that it is a question as to whether Garth wants to get the draft picks they would rate or to re-sign them to help the boys grow. One of the reasons Jack Hillen’s gruesome injury really stinks is that he is quickly developing into a star D man. Andy Mac and even Dustin Kohn have done reasonably well.

Goaltending looks solid. Marty B has been a bit disappointing and will soon be an ex-Islander, but Roly has delivered big time and, aside from a bit of understandable rust, DP has been pretty solid. With the solid looking AHLers and Mikko and Anders coming up through the system, what had been looking like a terrible weakness last year has become a position of great strength.

As to the core players, Josh and Kyle have both emerged as budding stars. Mark and Frans have not disappointed. JT showed some of what he is capable of early on. He will certainly be a star. Hunts and Bergy have also been solid while Blake has shown flashes.

If the season ended tonight, we would have the fifth overall pick—-subject to the lottery although the only likely change is between one and two. Those picks will certainly be between the Oil and Boston via the Leafs. This team may very well wind up with a top five pick.

As Hall and Fowler will certainly be gone by the time we pick, there is no doubt in my mind as to who we should pick. As Dom observed, we desperately need forwards who can rush the net with skill (and a physical presence). Nino Niederreiter has been compared to Marian Hossa at the same stage of their respective careers. He may prove to be an more prolific scorer than Hall and is the type of forward we need. And if we have a top five pick, we won’t even have to move our first pick up and can use our other assets to move up our second rounder for a defenseman.

by BCISLEMAN on Jan 30, 2010 9:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Off to Sunrise to see Isles with my son

Lighthouse Hockey will have one member cheering on the Isles. Sitting 3rd row section 133 between goal line and faceoff circle on players side. Panthers should twice that way so I get to see DP up close. Wearing red and blue striped shirt Isles blue hat with son wearing white sweatshirt. I’m going to scream MARTY! If the Isles score in 2nd period so maybe the mikes pick it up. LOL. LETS GO ISLANDERS!

by rickrays on Jan 31, 2010 12:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent. Family affair, eh. We’ll keep an eye out for you.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Jan 31, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs


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Josh Bailey 12 C 10/2/1989 188 6-1
Sean Bergenheim 20 LW 2/8/1984 205 5-10
Martin Biron 43 G 8/15/1977 180 6-3
Blake Comeau 57 RW 2/18/1986 207 6-1
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Matt Moulson 26 LW 11/1/1983 206 6-1
Frans Nielsen 51 C 4/24/1984 172 5-11
Kyle Okposo 21 RW 4/16/1988 200 6-1
Richard Park 10 RW 5/27/1976 190 5-11
Dylan Reese 42 D 8/29/1984 195 6-0
Dwayne Roloson 30 G 10/12/1969 180 6-1
Jon Sim 16 LW 9/29/1977 195 5-10
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