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Lesser Known Olympic Hockey Teams: A Primer for Vancouver Part 1 Update

With the start of the Olympic hockey tournament two weeks away, I thought I would do this since I know a good amount about the lesser known teams in the IIHF. I figured tonight would be a good time too since we don't have a game to watch and discuss, and there isn't much Isles news otherwise (Woohoo, Trevor Gillies!). 

We all know the big guns going into Vancouver, but I'd thought I would give a quick primer on the lesser known countries so that you won't feel totally ignorant when watching Canada or the USA crush Norway, or see Belarus upset Sweden again (You'll never live that game down, Tommy Salo). I will go by group, starting first with Group A's Norway and Switzerland.

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UPDATE

Due to some confusion for qualification, I will elaborate on the qualification process.


Qualification was as follows (12 Team Field)

The host nation, in this case Canada, automatically qualifies for the tournament.

The top eight teams in the IIHF rankings on May 18th, 2008 excluding Canada qualified automatically. These teams (In no particualr order) are USA, Russia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Sweden, Finalnd and Switzerland.

The final three sports were determined by three qualification tournaments that took palce on February 5th-8th 2009:

Oslo: Norway defeated Denmark, Kazakhstan and France
Riga: Latvia defeated Italy, the Ukraine and Hungary
Hannover: Germany defeated Austria, Japan and Slovenia


Norway

IIHF Ranking: 11

Last Olympics: 1994 (Host Nation), Last Qualified in 1992

How Qualified - Defeated Denmark, France and Kazakhstan in Qualification Tournament

Medals?: None, Best Finish 8th in 1972

NHLers?: 1, Ole-Kristian Tollefsen (PHI, Det)

Goalies: Norway's number one for the past five World Championships, Pål Grotnes, will again be the starter in Vancouver. He will be backed up by youngsters Andre Lysenstøen and Ruben Smith . None of the three play in a league that would be considered a high level of competition, Grotnes and Smith play in Norway and Lysenstøen plays in the second tier of Finnish hockey.

Defense: This will be the key if Norway are going to make any noise in Group A. They are a defensive-minded team and this group has been together a while. All but one played for the Norwegian team at last two World Championships. The most recognizable name is Tollefsen, formerly of Columbus and now a healthy scratch for the Flyers, Red Wings. The captain and elder statesman of the team is Tommy Jakobsen. The diminutive 39 year old has played in 17 World Championships and the last two times Norway made the Olympics, this is probably his swan song. Keep an eye out for Jonas Holøs, the Colorado draft pick has been playing well in the Elitserien this year and will probably be playing his trade in North America next year.

Forwards: There are a few familiar names among Norway's forwards. Patrick Thoresen (Link) is an ex-NHLer, of almost ruptured testicle fame, currently lies 4th in the KHL in scoring. Marius Holtet is a former 2nd round pick of the North Stars. Most of the forwards play in either the Elitserien (Mats Zucarello-Aasen, Per-Age Skrøder, Martin Ylven Laumann, Mathis Olimb, Kristian Forsberg, Holtet, Mads Hansen and Martin Røymark) or the DEL (Tore Vikingstad, Morten Ask and Anders Bastiensen). There are some scorers in Thoresen, Zucarello Aasen (2nd in the Elitserien) and Skrøder, but for the most part they are a defensive minded group.

Key Player: Pål Grotnes. This is a defensive team, but for the system to be effective Grotnes needs to perform. He has in the past, in the 2008 WC in Halifax. He held off the Canadian onslaught for two periods before he came back down to earth and had an overtime loss to Finland.

Player to Watch: Mats Zucarello-Aasen. On a MoDo team that has Peter Forsberg, Marcus Naslund and Niklas Sundstrom, the young Norwegian is the offensive star. He is small (5'7", 161) but has averaged over a point per game since moving to the Elitserien two years ago. He is small, shifty and an ace in the shootout.

Outlook: 4th in the group. You would think that the NHL size rink would be a detriment to such a Euro-Centric team but Norway's recent success on the International stage came in Halifax on the NHL rink. But, they will be the sacrificial lambs for USA and Canada, and I don't think they have enough offense beyond Thoresen and Zucarello Aasen to overcome the Swiss defense and goalies.

 

Switzerland

IIHF Rank: 7

Last Olympics: 2006

How Qualified: Automatic (Top 8 IIHF ranking)

Medals?: 2 Bronzes, 1928, 1948

NHLers?: 2+, Mark Streit (NYI, duh), Jonas Hiller (ANA), Yannik Weber (Split time between NHL and AHL), Luca Sbisa (split time between NHL and WHL)

Goalies: Hiller will probably be the number one backed up by former NHLer and current KHLer Marty Gerber. Former Dallas prospect and Sound Tiger Tobias Stephan will likely be watching most of the tournament from the press box. Hiller has played well for Anaheim this year, supplanting J.S. Guiguere as starter.


Defense: Like Norway, this is Switzerland's strength. Mark Streit will be captaining his home country for the third Olympics. He will be joined by promising youngters Luca Sbisa, Yannick Weber and Roman Josi. The remaining members of the blue line (Blindenbacher, Bezina, Diaz and Seger) are all veterans of the NLA. This groups will be fun to watch, as it does contain the only Islander and three promising young players.

Forwards: This is a weak group, as Switzerland had to recruit Canadian, ex-Whaler and all around awesome name Hnat Domenicelli, who has been playing in the NLA for the past seven seasons. The rest of the forwards feature Hartford Wolf Pack-er Andres Ambuhl, and a bunch of NLA vets. The Swiss decided not to put 17 year old phenom, Lucas Sbisa's newest teammate and BC's Favorite (and future Islander?) Nino Niederreiter on the roster. This is probably for the best, as while they could use his offense it is better for his long term development not to play against the big boys quite yet.

Key Player: Mark Streit. He is the Islanders only Olympian, and it isn't his first time on this stage either. He was captain of Switzerland in 2002 and 2006, and has played in eleven WC's. As team captain and head of the defense, he will be logging big minutes for the Swiss. Expect to see him in all situations and probably teamed up with one of the two youngsters Sbisa or Josi.

Player to Watch: Roman Josi. The 19 year old, 2nd round pick of Nashville has a big shot (9 goals in 24 games for Bern) and a fairly productive WJC. I give him the slight nod over Sbisa and Weber to watch because he isn't state-side yet. He will probably be playing for Nashville's AHL team next year.

Outlook: 3rd in group, Loosing to Canada and USA, beating Norway. Defense and Goalies keep games vs. USA and/or Canada close, Defense shuts down Norway's 1 line and a cloud of dust offense.

 

Let me know in the comments if you like this and want me to continue with the other two groups (B, Latvia and C, Germany and Belarus) sometime next week. If you don't like it, I won't continue. If I steppend on anyone's toes by doing this too, I'm sorry.

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Thanks for this, and putting the work into it.

Go Suisse!

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by Dominik on Jan 29, 2010 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

Thank You

for putting it on the main page, that really wasn’t necessary. I will probably have the next two groups up early next week depending on how much I have in terms of my job and grad school work, probably Tuesday/Wednesday-ish.

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Jan 29, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool

Been talking with a lot of the other team writers at SBN about how to handle the Olympic break, so this was a very welcome surprise. And with main-paging — I just like to encourage thorough, researched FanPosts, particularly when, like you said, news is otherwise slow (Trevor Gillies!).

As far as forefathers go, I have to root for the Czechs while they’re still producing a few good players.

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by Dominik on Jan 29, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Go Suisse!

While I will be pulling for Der Schweiz and Streit for most of the tourney, I have to root for the home of my forefathers, Norway. I do this with full knowledge they are going to get their brains beat in by Canada and USA.

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Jan 29, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

You’ll have to pardon me my ignorance of the international game, but with all the championships and cups that are played every year, how was qualifying held for Vancouver? Did anyone who should have made it get upset and miss out? Just curious.

Claude LaPointe didn't make as good a pun, sadly.

by LaChance at Glory on Jan 29, 2010 11:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I probably should have mentioned that, I will update the post

Long story short:

1 Automatic Qualifier for the host nation (Canada)

8 Automatically Qualified based on the top 8 in the IIHF rankings as of May 18, 2008 (End of the 2008 WC: USA, Russia, Czech Republic, Belarus, Slovakia, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland)

3 Qualified through Qualification Tournaments (Norway, Latvia and Germany)

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Jan 29, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, I did a more elaborate description of the qualification process @ the top of the article.

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Jan 29, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I see the host team won each qualifying tourney for the final three spots. Home cookin’, eh? (Okay, they’re obviously the better teams of those groups, too.)

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by Dominik on Jan 30, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

A bit. Denmark in particular suffered as Frans Neilsen, Jannik Hansen, Oscar Moeller and Morten Madsen all weren’t released from their NHL/AHL teams to participate in the tourney. They faced a Norwegian team that was only missing Tollefsen and Thoresen.

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Jan 30, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant Mikkel Boedker, not Oscar Moeller.

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Jan 30, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

nice previews! but it's...

…die Schweiz ;-)

(Yes, I’m from Switzerland).

by BenHasna on Jan 30, 2010 6:38 AM EST up reply actions  

to be more constructive again...

As said, nice preview on Switzerland! Looking forward to the other teams. But in case someone is interested in a few more details about Switzerland, I found some time to add a few things.

general: You cannot imagine how big the difference is between the Swiss National League A and the NHL. When I first saw an NHL game, I thought this was a completely different sports – and my impression is still pretty much the same. The hockey itself is just so much more educated and professional in every aspect of the game. And everything around it, is of course much bigger, as well. That’s why I love following the NHL with all the blogs and stuff (particularly this one of course!).
But that of course makes it really hard for the Swiss to be competitive in such a great tournament. Actually, I expect most of the guys to feel like me, when I first saw an NHL game – to be stunned, how quickly the game is played over here. There’s no way I can see them doing as well as in 2006, when they upset Canada as well as the Czech Republic.

coach/system: The main reason for the good performances in 2006 was the bigger rink. Again, in Europe as well as in North America, I don’t think too many people understand how big the difference really is. It’s huge. But at least one thing from 2006 will be carried over, as the coach and therefore the system are still the same, actually have been since 1998. Playing together much more often throughout the year, and for so many years, is surely a decent advantage. Also the immediate preparation should be better, as the Swiss leagues will go into the Olympic break already next weekend and a camp will be held in Winnipeg the days before the start of the Olympics.
The Swiss coach is Ralph Krueger (Canadian-German), who’s lost quite some credit over the last few years and whose contract will expire by the end of this season. I still like him a lot, though. Like a lot of coaches on the highest level, he uses two defensive and two more offensive-minded lines. Few people in Switzerland understand it, though, and would rather want the 12 individually best forwards to be selected…

goalies: Gerber unfortunately got injured six weeks ago and he’s highly doubtful. As you pointed out correctly, Hiller would anyway have been the number-one goalie. But a decent back-up would have been nice, especially as I personally don’t expect Hiller to do too well together with this team. He should have a great career in the NHL indeed, but will cause the Swiss defense quite some problems with his style and all the rebounds he lets out. They’re not used to it and should be outworked heavily in front of the net.

defense: As you might remember, Sbisa and Josi got injured at the U20 World Cup. Sbisa has just last night given his comeback, playing for the first time for the Portland Winterhawks. He should be fine therefore. Josi might just about make it, as well, but remains doubtful.
Mark Streit played 28:00 minutes on average at the World Championships last year. Probably just a bit too much, as he looked tired and not very effective all around. In lots of areas of the game he never seemed to click with the Swiss game. I expect them to aim for 26 to 27 minutes this time around. He should be less tired anyway and the smaller rink should help as well to perform better. His main partner 5-on-5 was Severin Blindenbacher, who had a good Champions-Hockey-League campaign with ZSC Lions last season and, meanwhile playing in the Swedish Elitserien, is said to have improved. On the powerplay, Streit will be assisted by Yannick Weber (right-handed shot) mainly. But also Blindenbacher, Bezina and Josi have a good shot. Actually, the Swiss are nowhere as close to the best in the world as on the blue line with the man advantage.

offense: Even the more offensive-minded lines will consist of one defensively very good forward and anyway won’t create very much. As mentioned, the powerplay should be decent at least and that’s where they also indeed need to be good. Domenichelli will be their go-to guy indeed. Ambühl is a nice guy, hard-working anyway, but very average and I’m pretty sure he never will make it into the NHL. Nor will any other of this group, it seems. My favourite Swiss foward is Roman Wick. He spent two years in Canada early in his career (until 2006) and averaged almost a point per game playing for the Red Deer Rebels and Lethbridge Hurricances.

outlook: For me, it will be very exciting to watch how this team will do with their (hopefully) good organization, but lack of skill and strength. I think the games against Canada and USA will only be close, if the Swiss have a really good day. And as Norway seem to improve, they even will need a very good day to finish 3rd.

by BenHasna on Jan 30, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the insight. Good to have some first hand accounts of the NLA players, all I had to go on were some Bern games I’ve seen online and watching ZSC in the HCL last year.

I agree, Switzerland will be third in the group. While I will be pulling for Norway they simply just do not have the offensive firepower beyond Thoresen and Zucarello-Aasen to beat the Swiss.

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Jan 30, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Sweet

Thanks, BenHasna. And Die Schweiz — is that because it’s plural or because it’s feminine? (It’s been a long time since German class.)

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by Dominik on Jan 30, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

German class, hehe

Oh, that’s a tricky one anyway. Actually, it’s feminine, but I’m sure the reason behind do not even most of the Swiss know. Switzerland once was formed as – and would officially still be called – Swiss Confederation, which is “Schweizerische Eidgenossenschaft” in German. Eidgenossenschaft is a feminine word, no longer used. Everyone just calls it “die Schweiz”. And it’s “die”, but not “der”, because the feminine substantive Eidgenossenschaft lies behind it.

by BenHasna on Jan 30, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, wow that’s more than I imagined. Thanks for the tutoring!

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Jan 30, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Great work

And PS- hockey gods met at the lighthouse tonight, yet again.

Claude LaPointe didn't make as good a pun, sadly.

by LaChance at Glory on Jan 29, 2010 10:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Good writeup, Hans und Franz ! :)

PS- hockey gods met at the lighthouse tonight, yet again.

Um, huh? I guess its a joke but I dont get it lol.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 30, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you both for the kind words. I will have the next two up sometime next week, I’m almost done with Group B and Group C with Belarus and Germany should be fun to do (How many different clips of Tommy Salo’s screw up against Belarus in 2002 can I find on youtube?).

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Jan 30, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

39 year old Norwegian captain Tommy Jakobsen, veteran of the last two Olympics Norway’s hockey team played in (92 and 94), had the honor of carrying the Norwegian flag at the opening ceremony last night.

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Feb 13, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

“Doorway to Norway” as the tagline for that publication. :laughs:

Man, he’s got to be the only one who played in 92 and 94 playing in this one, doesn’t he?

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Feb 13, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he is. In fact Jakobsen is playing this Olympics with Patrick Thoresen, son of his teammate in 92 and 94 Petter Thoresen.

To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!

by David Hanssen on Feb 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

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