Islanders Stats: Scorers, and the PK sans Thompson
For posterity it's nice to have a numeric snapshot of who's doing what at a given point in the year, because by the end of the season you know some of these player rankings -- and how Scott Gordon deploys players -- will change. After the jump is a leaderboard of Islanders stats in various categories after 51 games -- 51 games where they're 23-20-8, I might add. (Relish it now, because you never know: That could be the high-water mark.)
But before that, a word about the departed Nate Thompson. In addition to Thompson's intangibles and other assorted sports cliches (cliches I am not immune to using, I admit), Thompson's presence on the penalty kill is what Gordon may miss most. But should he?
Among Islanders forwards, Thompson has logged the second-most PK minutes (Richard Park averages 2:46 per game, Thompson averaged 2:34. The next closest is Blake Comeau at 1:51). Throwing out 3-on-5, according to Behind the Net Thompson's also been on the ice for the second-most 4-on-5 goals against (20), behind Park's 26. Makes sense, right? If you play the PK the most, you'll be on for the most goals against.
But something that I and a few others have alluded to is that, even controlling for his higher PK time, Thompson and Park still give up PP goals at a much higher rate than their fellow forwards. Now it's possible that Gordon, who obviously trusts them, uses them in the "toughest" parts of the PK (whatever that is), so naturally they'll be victimized the most. But three or four other forwards get enough PK time to tell us that, with minute-munching Thompson gone, the PK should improve.
| GP | 4-on-5 TOI/60 | GA | GA/60 | |
| Frans Nielsen | 45 | 1.72 | 6 | 4.88 |
| Kyle Okposo | 50 | 1.65 | 8 | 6.05 |
| Blake Comeau | 35 | 1.92 | 8 | 7.57 |
| Sean Bergenheim | 35 | 1.60 | 8 | 8.84 |
| Richard Park | 51 | 2.72 | 26 | 11.72 |
| Nate Thompson | 39 | 2.49 | 20 | 12.70 |
Note: The Islanders PK sits at 75.8%, currently 28th overall. For what it's worth, since Thompson last played Jan. 9, the Islanders PK has killed 13 of 16 (17 if you count the Penguins' empty-netter), going perfect except for the disastrous night in Pittsburgh.
While Thompson and Park don't play twice as much as their teammates on the 4-on-5 PK, they give up around twice as many powerplay goals (or in Frans "Danish Two-Way Force" Nielsen's case, they give up way over twice as many). They've played enough games and logged enough 4-on-5 minutes now where the above numbers start to mean something. (The final column, GA/60, is total goals against per 60 minutes of 4-on-5 ice time.)
It isn't (or shouldn't be) a shock that better hockey players make for better penalty killers. But often when fans think of a "good defensive forward," they think of a guy who doesn't score but is used shorthanded a lot. Alas, that is more by necessity than by desire: You can neither draft nor pay 12 great hockey players, yet you must use 12 forwards. (And if you shorten your bench consistently, you're asking for other problems down the line.)
By now most coaches should ideally want to deploy their best hockey players on the PK, but the realities of playing their best players in other situations sometimes make that impossible. So you have your Parks and Thompsons, who aren't much good at creating goals but will certainly do everything in their power to prevent them, not shying away from jumping on grenades for the team. Of course, their use on the PK seems to encourage more of the same as they assume "their role" and adopt an identity on a team. The coach keeps going back to them. This game is certainly not all numbers -- there is a psychological and group dynamic element -- so it's not hard to understand how this happens.
Yet as you accumulate better depth, the Thompsons of the world get bumped off the chart. The team overall improves. The same number of minutes in each game is shared by a slightly better group. The PK improves -- or so the theory goes. As several here have already said, Thompson's departure is a sign the team is getting better. (It's also a sign the team is carrying three goalies on the 23-man roster, but that one was unavoidable.)
[Update: For a briefer version of the above conclusions, you might check Puck Prospectus' look at Thompson, including his faceoff duties and quality of competition. h/t @eyeontheisland on Twitter.]
Stats through 51 Games
| Player | GP | G | A | PTS | +/- | PIM | ESG | PPG | SHG | SOG | SPCT | ATOI |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kyle Okposo | 50 | 10 | 23 | 33 | -5 | 20 | 8 | 2 | 0 | 160 | 6.3 | 20:26 |
| Matt Moulson | 51 | 19 | 13 | 32 | 2 | 16 | 16 | 3 | 0 | 133 | 14.3 | 16:32 |
| John Tavares | 51 | 17 | 14 | 31 | -5 | 12 | 9 | 8 | 0 | 122 | 13.9 | 18:08 |
| Mark Streit | 51 | 7 | 21 | 28 | 8 | 36 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 107 | 6.5 | 25:37 |
| Joshua Bailey | 50 | 12 | 13 | 25 | 12 | 8 | 9 | 2 | 1 | 70 | 17.1 | 14:50 |
| Frans Nielsen | 45 | 7 | 17 | 24 | 14 | 2 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 70 | 10 | 16:30 |
| Trent Hunter | 36 | 9 | 12 | 21 | 8 | 8 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 101 | 8.9 | 15:26 |
| Rob Schremp | 29 | 5 | 10 | 15 | -1 | 8 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 52 | 9.6 | 13:54 |
| Richard Park | 51 | 4 | 11 | 15 | -17 | 14 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 96 | 4.2 | 15:42 |
| Jack Hillen | 47 | 1 | 14 | 15 | 8 | 36 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 57 | 1.8 | 20:51 |
| Blake Comeau | 35 | 6 | 8 | 14 | -4 | 26 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 59 | 10.2 | 15:10 |
| Jeff Tambellini | 24 | 7 | 6 | 13 | -1 | 8 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 46 | 15.2 | 11:56 |
| Sean Bergenheim | 35 | 5 | 8 | 13 | 5 | 16 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 74 | 6.8 | 14:11 |
| Andy Sutton | 44 | 4 | 7 | 11 | 1 | 63 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 46 | 8.7 | 20:22 |
| Jon Sim | 49 | 7 | 3 | 10 | 0 | 34 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 85 | 8.2 | 12:01 |
| Bruno Gervais | 45 | 1 | 9 | 10 | -6 | 21 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 44 | 2.3 | 19:18 |
| Doug Weight | 21 | 0 | 10 | 10 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 36 | 0 | 16:17 |
| Freddy Meyer | 33 | 1 | 7 | 8 | -4 | 24 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 32 | 3.1 | 15:33 |
| Nate Thompson | 39 | 1 | 5 | 6 | -14 | 39 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 48 | 2.1 | 12:56 |
| Brendan Witt | 42 | 2 | 3 | 5 | -18 | 45 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 25 | 8 | 15:15 |
| Andrew MacDonald | 27 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 8 | 8 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 17 | 5.9 | 17:51 |
| Tim Jackman | 34 | 2 | 1 | 3 | -7 | 72 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 31 | 6.5 | 9:11 |
| Radek Martinek | 16 | 2 | 1 | 3 | -1 | 12 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 24 | 8.3 | 22:48 |
| Jesse Joensuu | 7 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 12.5 | 11:05 |
| Dustin Kohn | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 11:20 |
| Joel Rechlicz | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -1 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2:31 |
So that's that. Just for a different look, here they are ranked by plus-minus. No surprises here:
| Player | GP | G | A | PTS | +/- | PIM | ESG | PPG | SHG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Frans Nielsen | 45 | 7 | 17 | 24 | 14 | 2 | 7 | 0 | 0 |
| Joshua Bailey | 50 | 12 | 13 | 25 | 12 | 8 | 9 | 2 | 1 |
| Mark Streit | 51 | 7 | 21 | 28 | 8 | 36 | 2 | 5 | 0 |
| Trent Hunter | 36 | 9 | 12 | 21 | 8 | 8 | 6 | 3 | 0 |
| Jack Hillen | 47 | 1 | 14 | 15 | 8 | 36 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Andrew MacDonald | 27 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 8 | 8 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Sean Bergenheim | 35 | 5 | 8 | 13 | 5 | 16 | 4 | 0 | 1 |
| Doug Weight | 21 | 0 | 10 | 10 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Matt Moulson | 51 | 19 | 13 | 32 | 2 | 16 | 16 | 3 | 0 |
| Andy Sutton | 44 | 4 | 7 | 11 | 1 | 63 | 4 | 0 | 0 |
| Dustin Kohn | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Jon Sim | 49 | 7 | 3 | 10 | 0 | 34 | 6 | 1 | 0 |
| Jesse Joensuu | 7 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Rob Schremp | 29 | 5 | 10 | 15 | -1 | 8 | 2 | 3 | 0 |
| Jeff Tambellini | 24 | 7 | 6 | 13 | -1 | 8 | 4 | 3 | 0 |
| Radek Martinek | 16 | 2 | 1 | 3 | -1 | 12 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Joel Rechlicz | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -1 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Blake Comeau | 35 | 6 | 8 | 14 | -4 | 26 | 5 | 0 | 1 |
| Freddy Meyer | 33 | 1 | 7 | 8 | -4 | 24 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Kyle Okposo | 50 | 10 | 23 | 33 | -5 | 20 | 8 | 2 | 0 |
| John Tavares | 51 | 17 | 14 | 31 | -5 | 12 | 9 | 8 | 0 |
| Bruno Gervais | 45 | 1 | 9 | 10 | -6 | 21 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Tim Jackman | 34 | 2 | 1 | 3 | -7 | 72 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
| Nate Thompson | 39 | 1 | 5 | 6 | -14 | 39 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Richard Park | 51 | 4 | 11 | 15 | -17 | 14 | 4 | 0 | 0 |
| Brendan Witt | 42 | 2 | 3 | 5 | -18 | 45 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
Any surprises? Who do you think will change by the end of the year? I say Tavares is due for a hot streak sometime between now -- or the Olympic break -- and the end of the year. JT may be our leading scorer yet, though obviously one shouldn't bet against Kyle Okopso.
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Great job, Dom
I think it speaks volumes that probably our top 11 scorers fit into the team’s long-term plans. This is a far cry from the Satan, Fedotenko, Comrie-led teams that were stopgaps to compete for an 8 spot. Add a top-flight winger and you’ve got a legitimately potent offense. I’m positively giddy.
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Thanks. I hadn’t even thought about it in that context, but you’re right: The top scorers are all part of the future, not a single expiring contract or stopgap guy among them. Pretty big what they’ve done lately without Tavares piling up points. Giggity giggity.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
I would love to be a fly on the wall this summer in Snow's office
hearing the phone calls from desperate agents trying to get the Isles to offer their dead weight clients a offer. Garth: “Sorry but we think your client is past his prime. Try the Atlanta. What? You say they have no money?”.
Isles are in the right place right time. I only want the Isles to acquire the best free agents now one or two tops. If they don’t want to come here let some welfare NHL club pay their salary like Tampa Bay or Phoenix until the check bounces. Most of the big clubs are kind of tapped out right now but of course the Rangers will find a way to sign more past their peak high priced talent. Good for us.
I say if JT stays with Bailey and KO, KO leads in scoring...
if they switch Moulson back its JT.
Unrelated, lines I would like to see every night
Bailey, JT, Okposo
Moulson, Schremp, Hunter
Bergenheim, Nielsen, Comeau
Sim, Weight, Park (used more sparingly)
Any chance Jackman comes back for Philly game next weekend?
For obvious reasons. If not Hunter plays the enforcer role.
Going into the final three weeks before the break heavy use of the top three lines is called for.
At this point I don't see why they don't just...
waive Tambellini (I think he’s out of options) and keep Rechlicz up for those games, at least he can actually win a fight. If they aren’t going to play Tamb’s every game he’s a waste. Of course Id prefer they throw him on the 4th line and sit Sim, but Gordon is in love with him so thats not going to happen.
Give Park some love
He scored in three straight games but ref took away two :)
Park is a better player when you put decent players around him. I’m sure Park + – would be different if he had the current forwards he’s playing with for the entire season. Don’t forget he’s a pretty decent faceoff man. By the way he hasn’t had a minus game since Dallas which was DP’s first start and Witt played defense. Park plays a solid two way game and the Isles are lucky to have him around especially in close games protecting a lead.
I’m sure Park + – would be different if he had the current forwards he’s playing with for the entire season.
This has certainly been true in the past, and I’m hoping it’s true again. He’s versatile, speedy, can cover some mistakes, can win faceoffs. I like him as the utility guy at this piont.
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You can't blame it all on Thompson, and Jackman...
I really think Park has lost a step, and lets be real he never had more than OK 3rd line talent to begin with.
I can't
Park is what he is. I’m not rating hi too high though — just saying that, as far as 3rd/4th liners go, I prefer his skillset.
I think he has probably lost a step, or is having an off year, but putting him with Thompson in critical situations probably helps neither of them.
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Yea he's a nice player, a great 4th liner, but no way he should get more time
than Bailey, Bergenheim, or Hunter. I would even make a case for Schremp and Comeau getting more time (specifically on special teams) now. Bottom line for me is Park is not a top nine forward on this team anymore, and the youngsters need to be given more time now, they have proved themselves worthy (actually if we your using +/-, much, much better)
No love from the Devils tonight
3-1 loss to Habs. Halak was great in 3rd period. Parise showed up by the rest of his mates failed to. No blame goes to Brodeur of course. Jersey looks flat right now and a good time for Isles to play them on a back to back game. Some rare boos tonight at the Pru. Nice energy from Habs coming off a OT loss to Blues. Habs one point behind Isles and Bruins now.
Bailey Shooting at 17%
Surely his shooting percentage will regress at some point (not that I would want it to though…)
No doubt
But maybe if he keeps getting shots on, we won’t notice? That six/seven-game run where he had zero shots was unreal. I’m not even sure how that happens.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
This whole post was an elaborate ploy by Dom to slip in that our Danish is a robust +14, continued subliminal messaging. I’m on to it!
Claude LaPointe didn't make as good a pun, sadly.
by LaChance at Glory on Jan 23, 2010 12:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ding ding ding!
LOL, so true. Lighthouse Hockey: A daily affirmation of Frans Nielsen, with a little bit of talk about some team he plays on, too.
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