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A Plea to Scott Gordon: Keep Thompson, Jackman, and Witt OUT OF THE LINEUP!

I've been hoping to write a longer spiel on my own site using the stats on this, but I guess I just gotta get it out of the way now.  These last two games have been tremendous.  The Isles have looked for two periods like a great hockey team and for one period as an okay hockey team.  That's far better than usual, and that type of team can make it into the playoffs.

What's different about the team in those games from previously?  Three players are out:

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1.  Witt - I don't think I need any explanation here.  He's slow, old, ailing and doesn't fit in Gordon's system.  With Andy MacDonald's emergence into the starting lineup, he should be the odd man out.

2 & 3: Jackman and Thompson.  Listen, the original 4th line this year, Park, Jackman, and Thompson has been absolutely horrible.  Just beyond terrible....and yet Gordon insists on using them as his defensive specialists.  And yet, their relative +/-s, courtesy of behindthenet.ca, are beyond terrible.  Now some of this isn't their fault.  Their line has been on the ice for a greater percentage of own-zone faceoffs than ANY OTHER LINE IN THE LEAGUE!  This naturally increases the odds that they'll be scored upon and decreases their odds of scoring.  But not to the point where it explains their performance. 

Moreover, the Park, Thompson PK first-line has been BEYOND TERRIBLE, whereas Frans Nielsen, Okposo, Comeau have all been tremendous.  Our Top Defensive forwards are really Nielsen, Okposo, Bailey, and Bergenheim, and this has shown on the PK.  And yet we consistantly use a terrible pair...who aren't young and aren't going to grow any better.

Now, I'm willing to give Richard Park some leeway.  The Dude does win faceoffs in our own zone, and has performed for us in the past, when paired with not terrible players.  Moreover, unlike Jackman and Thompson, Richard Park can contribute OFFENSIVELY when paired with decent line-mates.  He's not dead weight.  But the other two guys just are.  At the very least, Thompson and Jackman should never be on the ice when we're losing within the last 10 minutes of a hockey game.  And yet you, Coach Gordon, insist on rolling all four lines and all the players (barring Witt) even in those situations.  This has COST US GREATLY.  

The lineup tonight and yesterday was great.  The Fourth line of Weight-Park-Bergie contains two smart veterans and a pretty nice talent, who is also a pretty good Defensive player who can draw penalties.  Moreover, it can score!  The other two lines are solid.  I wouldn't mind it if you somehow managed to get Jeff Tambellini into games here and there, replacing Weight, Sim, or Park, as the stats from behindthenet seem to like him pretty much, and he's still young and can be of more use to this team in the future than either of those three.  But keep Thompson, Jackman, and Witt out.

If you do, we'll be a younger, more solid team that is better defensively and especially offensively (and the best Defense in hockey IS a good offense) and we can beat top teams like the Sabres and Wings.

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What about Thompson in 4-on-4 OT, though?

I kid.

Thanks. I know you’ve been sworn sir, and I have read your complaint. FYI, I edited your post slightly just by adding hyperlinks to the various stats you refer to from Behind The Net. Thought people should have a specific reference to what you’re speaking of (I link to Behind the Net a lot, but I’m not sure how often/how many people check it or buy what I’m saying).

I’m interested in this topic, generally agree with you, and write the situation off to coaches’ tendency to stick to pet “guys they know,” for lack of a better term. Thompson goes way back with Gordon, gives an honest effort, whatever the coach asks (and Jackman drops the gloves when no one else will). Is that relationship enough to cloud a coach’s judgment? Probably. I think coaches’ loyalty to these types was more useful in the Old NHL, when every Nate, Dick and Harry could please his Hitchcock master by hooking an opposing forward for 200 feet down the ice. Now, with obstruction eliminating so much of the Hitchcock tactical guide, I believe it’s much more important to deploy as much skill as you have. Yet Tambellini sits.

Didn’t realize that Thompson’s line leads the league in defensive zone start percentage. I’d like to know more about that — is there reason for Gordon’s faith that we don’t see? (And how much is not Gordon’s faith but rather they’re own doing, as in their play causes their own defensive zone starts.)

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Jan 17, 2010 1:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

4th Line's Zone-Start

Thank you for the edit sir, great site.

I can’t imagine the 4th line’s zone start isn’t part of Gordon’s strategy….I mean, the PK teams makes it clear that he thinks at least Thompson-Park is a great Defensive line which would explain the zone-start.

AT the very least, when the 4th line causes us to have defensive zone faceoffs, Gordon is deciding to keep them on there when he has a choice (such as goalie stoppages, rather than icings).

I mean, truth be told, the Thompson thing is just insanely frustrating…Loyalty is the biggest fault in coaches in all of my sports these days (I’m a Duke basketball and football fan for instance, and in both sports the coaches seem to hinder the team by sticking veterans in over freshman and sophomores despite clear indications that the latter are superior.).

by garik16 on Jan 17, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AT the very least, when the 4th line causes us to have defensive zone faceoffs, Gordon is deciding to keep them on there

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking: That even if Gordon is putting them out there specifically for that, he must be leaving them out there as well, under that age-old coaching belief “good, I already have my defensive specialists out there.” (Peanut gallery: “Coincidence?!”)

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Jan 17, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As a Wild Fan

I remember Richard Park from the 2002-2003 season (and 01-02 and 03-04, but 02-03 was the most memorable) with us.
He was a key component to us then, and even though it’s 7 years later, I assume he’s still a great 3rd/4th line center option for the Isles.

by Yabbs on Jan 17, 2010 1:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He generally has been

This year he’s had tough luck on his shots and his defensive numbers have not held up.

At the same time, he’s versatile as all get-out (he’s been used on every line, according to injury and need) and his most frequent 4th-line counterparts do not, uh, well they do not have flattering aggregate stats.

Nice to hear a Wild fan remember him well; I was never sure whether he was always this smart or if he’d improved over time. I always figured the ice time and goals he got under Lemaire were a sign he knew the game well though.

Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.

by Dominik on Jan 17, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It appears the Wild are suffering in a similar way to the Isles

Lack of identity on the 4th line and lack of consistency from night to night. However, our injuries are not allowing us to get our best guys in, but instead leaving two of our 3 best centers on the IR and a top D-man sits on the IR also. In addition, we have coach’s loyalty towards an enforcer (Boogaard) stopping a veteran (in our case Petr Sykora) from starting.

I’ve liked the Isles since I heard Dipi mic’ed up at the All-Star game and we saw Mark Parrish for a few years after his career with the Isles.

Good luck to the Isles the rest of the way.

by Yabbs on Jan 17, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love this post

I agree with everything you wrote… it feels like I could have written this. Those three guys really have been just black holes as far as our unit is concerned. Three of the worst skaters , worst puckhandlers and worst decision makers on our team and they alot of time are out there at the same time! Guys like these are why you don’t see sustained offensive pressure and maintained possessions in the offensive zone like the ones we have seen the last few games. Now that we have players that can skate can move the puck and actually have a clue how to play offensively this team has become a delight to watch

by Big Swoopty on Jan 19, 2010 5:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thompson is gone so one out of the way

The way Kohn looked tonight vs Florida Witt might be the 8th defenseman on the depth chart. I’ve been toying between Comeau and Sim to bench when Jackman is ready but both tonight made me eat my words. You got to have someone on your club to drop the gloves, don’t you?

by rickrays on Jan 21, 2010 11:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No to Jackman

Jackman’s stats are nearly as bad as Thompson’s…..and well, he hasn’t gotten as much ice play as Thompson, and no PK play. Moreover, he’s even worse than Thompson at scoring….

I dislike Sim. I often think he’s a waste of space. But believe it or not he draws too many penalties to take off the ice…after today, Sim has drawn 17 penalties and taken 9….in other words, contributed two goals there.

Plus he looks good with Comeau and Shremp on that line as a nice bit of grinders…they generate chances, penalties, and don’t fail immediately on Defense.

Listen, an enforcer is NOT what this team needs. Andy Sutton’s hits have the effect of putting fear into others, and our players have shown that they can still move the puck despite checks into the board. An enforcer here would be dead weight and would slow down the youngsters. Don’t need him.

by garik16 on Jan 21, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

clearly we dont need someone to drop the gloves… as we have seen our boys have played some of the best hockey of the season without a scrapper out there… if it came down to it sutton can fight and kohn has been known to fight if he sticks around

by Big Swoopty on Jan 26, 2010 4:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

keep Jackman

he adds th etoughness and size we need in certain games, but he can be a healthy scratch also in speed games.

Witt is a -18 this season and -34 last season, but he is a veteran D and could get some interest from other teams for a trade, maybe packaged with Biron for someone good

by Rickfansince76 on Jan 23, 2010 8:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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