Kovalchuk murmur, slightly amplified
Ah, the lovely shelter offered by the passive voice.
There's the classic, "Mistakes were made." (By whom?) You can never go wrong with, "It has been determined that workforce reductions are necessary." (Who determined?) And then, in the case of sports rumors, there is always the Brooks-ian "It is believed." As in:
It is believed that while the club would quarantine NHL emerging talents John Tavares and Josh Bailey, Snow would be willing to part with this year's first-rounder in addition to presenting a "One from Column A/One from Column B menu..."
To be fair, the only bit Larry Brooks has sourced (albeit anonymously) is that Garth Snow has "checked in" with the Thrashers about Ilya Kovalchuk, "leaving the message with Atlanta GM Don Waddell that the team intends to be in the mix." Which is to say: Garth Snow is doing his job, quiet as ever. If someone is shedding a distresed asset, you're supposed to check on the market rate in case you can get a bargain.
But as I wrote earlier this week when we took Birdwatchers Anonymous' RFP and had our fun:
The Islanders will not and cannot make a trade for Ilya Kovalchuk. It's simply not happening, and it probably shouldn't under any conditions conforming to the laws of physics...
I wasn't going to touch this again, with the exception of sending The Falconer at BWA a very watered down, no-chance offer based on our discussion. But since Brooks gave it a bird leg to hobble on, we can go into the pros and cons before faxing a "Here lies David St. Hubbons ... and why-not?" proposal:
Pro: If the Islanders remained in the playoff picture, they'd be adding a scorer who instantly becomes the best forward on the team, and the best shooter in the league. Also: Immediate powerplay upgrade. Which is nice.
Con: Kovalchuk will not sign here. He won't. He won't pass up the comfort and connections built in Atlanta over so many years and enter unrestricted free agency only to "settle" for the Islanders, a franchise whose future is -- let's face it -- in many ways no more clear than the Thrashers. If he wants long-term security, he'll take it in Atlanta if they can guarantee it. If he wants long-term security and a franchise guaranteed to be as stable in 2020 as it is in 2010 ... he's not signing with the Isles.
Pro: He'd be exciting, he'd sell some jerseys, he might -- might -- even have a bigger on-ice impact than the Spring of Ryan Smyth. Like maybe playoffs and winning two playoff games instead of one.
Con: But then it would be over, he'd sign with someone else (or the KHL?), and we'd be right back where ... wait, what was it the Isles are trying to build here again?
When you look at the 29 other teams in the league, you quickly see that there aren't a lot of realistic bidders for Kovalchuk, at least not for the price a player of his caliber should fetch. Which can lead you to think that maybe Waddell will have to accept a paltry return ... which can lead you to dream maybe Snow can play ball here.
But all you need is two bidders and you've got an auction.
An auction the Isles have no business being in, one they definitely shouldn't offer enough to win -- simply because the chances of it paying off in the long run (i.e. Kovi sticking around past April) are so incredibly remote.
However, for the sake of argument, we (okay I -- no one suggested this exact offer) will offer the folks at BWA the most that it makes sense to offer for 25 games of a UFA rental superstar who will not sign here and will not be part of the rebuild. We'll call it "the Smyth/Hossa Memorial Leftovers Platter":
- Sean Bergenheim
- Jeff Tambellini
- Aaron Ness
- choice of some long-shot prospect whose inclusion makes Waddell's bosses think he got another body
- 2011 1st-round pick (conditional upon Kovalchuk re-signing with the Islanders, which he won't).
It's unrealistic, cheap and ridiculous -- but so is the thought that Snow should pay market price to rent a UFA when this rebuild (don't say "rebuild!") has only just begun. It gives Atlanta a guy who can score some goals in the NHL now, a tenacious forechecker and penalty killer, an offensive blueline prospect, a throwaway prospect (do Waddell's bosses even pay attention?) and a pick (the only part that can be conditional, unless you're going to slap "future considerations" on the deal).
It's not what Waddell wants. But if I were boss of the Isles, I wouldn't go anywhere near what Waddell wants just to bail him out of his mess, while creating a mess of my own.
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Kovalchuk's agent?
I wonder who Kovalchuk’s agent is? maybe its someone who can convince him to stay on Long Island for the possibility of NYC media exposure?
Also, I could be wrong, but I thought Kovalchuk said he would be willing to stick with Atlanta if they showed some improvement. At least the Islanders seem to be on an upward swing in comparison to Atlanta.
Not that I want to part with anything good in exchange for whats almost 95% a rental. I’m just putting the thought/possibilities out there.
"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."
by WebBard on Jan 14, 2010 5:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just read the article
I can’t take it seriously, with as bad as the Islanders DLine is, why would snow trade any of these three, DeHaan, Harmonic or Niemi. I’d play it safe, keep all three, hope one becomes a solid dman and maybe two if your lucky.
"So basically, the Stats make no sense whatsoever."
by WebBard on Jan 14, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could part with a couple of defensive prospects (not Hamonic) for the sole purpose of adding a dynamic offensive player who is hard to otherwise add. But the rental thing makes it such a non-starter for me.
According to the latest reports, Kovalchuk has bought into the ATL improvement plan, but the ownership there is still such a mess because of their in-fighting lawsuit, it’s unclear how much money they can commit. And he apparently wants near-max dollar for a long time, which gives me Yashin flashbacks.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 14, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just so I am clear…are you saying that he will NOT sign here when his free agency period comes this season? Because I believe that Brooks is working on an article, right now, saying how he would resign here.
Actually, the only reason Brooks is not writing about how the Rangers could sign him is because there is absolutely no cap space otherwise this article would have been a 4th or 5th in a series of Brooks BS articles detailing how the Rangers are or considering signing him and how they would do it. However, you know that already…preaching to the choir.
I would be surprised to see Toronto stay away from him in the free agency period.
I am starting to believe that the guy that hit Brendan Witt with the SUV was Swiss.
by metalcoconut on Jan 14, 2010 5:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But “it is believed,” don’t you see?! “It is believed…!”
Good point though. I’m sure the Rangers will be worked into this meme somehow, cap be damned, before it’s all over.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 14, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to make it revenue neutral...
Rangers would need to send Kotalik, Higgins, and Roszival and a partridge in a pear tree.
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 15, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only person I can recall who started this bullshit was Eklund
Who is a BS artist extraordinare.
by Chickendirt on Jan 14, 2010 5:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s the NY POST. The Devils are next and then when Brooks wraps his head around some McGuyver-styled-manuvering of cap space the Rangers will be the next target to receive Kovi.
That is right the belief system…I believe I should be a millionaire.****POOF**** what do you know? There is my brand new Viper being delivered. See you guys later. I’m off to test drive my new Big Boy Toy.
I am starting to believe that the guy that hit Brendan Witt with the SUV was Swiss.
by metalcoconut on Jan 14, 2010 5:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is believed that I am a man of Herculean strength and Brad Pitt good looks. W
ell, okay, it’s believed by one guy. But he’s an important guy. He’s a guy with Herculean strength and Brad Pitt good looks, as a matter of fact.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 14, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Brooks is a magician
He makes crap appear out of thin air!
To fight the horde, sing and cry: Valhalla I am coming!
by Hans und Franz on Jan 14, 2010 6:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How many times has Larry Brooks picked the Rangers to win the Cup since 1994?
I always get a chuckle when he does his preseason picks.
by rickrays on Jan 14, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a problem giving up this years 1st rounder and one of the top D prospects
Even if it’s a rental it’s not going to kill the franchise taking this risk. The Isles have more than enough prospects and developing players. Kovalchuk would at least put the Isles on the map for a change and who know maybe he’ll like it on LI.
This has Wang written all over it.
by rickrays on Jan 14, 2010 7:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't want him
- I agree with Dom that he wouldn’t stay here and we can’t afford to give up assets for a rental.
- I just don’t want him. Even IF he would resign here and we didn’t have to give up much to get him (neither of which I believe), he just isn’t a good fit for our team and would destroy a budding team chemistry.
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 14, 2010 7:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dickhead Eklund Mcjingus weighs in on this;
So yes, I can see it happening. The Isles need that kind of superstar, they can actually afford it, etc…
The Isles do NOT need to deal for Kovalchuk. They have THREE superstars in the making in Okposo, Bailey and Tavares. The Isles ALREADY have that kind of superstar.
Also, given that the team is REBUILDING they don’t need to make that kind of deal. They can DEVELOP and DRAFT “that kind of superstar” as well.
It appears those in need of controversy are certainly gonna stir the pot for attention though.
by Chickendirt on Jan 14, 2010 8:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Isles won't be drafting low for a long time so no Kovalchuk will be coming via the draft.
Tavares, Bailey and Okposo will not be the explosive scorers in the NHL the way Kovalchuk is. Again Wang is in charge and he’ll let Snow make a splash even for the short term . Plenty of teams make these deals at the deadlines and even the Isles have in the past. A loss of a mid 1st round pick and prospect d man won’t kill the Isles.
by rickrays on Jan 14, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of teams make these deals at the deadlines and even the Isles have in the past.
Not that often anymore though. Even if the Islanders were to bid, they should be outbid by someone else who has far more to gain from it. And Atlanta is going to want actual roster players in addition to futures.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 14, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's too late in the game for Atlanta to get roster players back
They waited too long to trade Kovalchuk, now they have to settle for prospects.
by rickrays on Jan 14, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kovi for Frolov and a pick might be interesting for LA to do
they are both UFAs and Frolov is not lov-ed by Deano (the Idiot) Lombardi.
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 15, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It appears those in need of controversy are certainly gonna stir the pot for attention though.
Indeed…
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 14, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Brooks, the NY equivalent to Bruce ‘Malkin to the Kings’ Garrioch, huh?
However, I think the biggest part of this trade is the ability of Atlanta to use Loch Ness Monster as a nickname or put him with Boris Valabik and his 6-8, 245 frame and ice a Loch Ness-Bigfoot defensive pairing.
by HugoAgogo on Jan 14, 2010 8:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
God that would be outstanding. The Thrashers could play carnival music every time they hit the ice.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 14, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good night on the scoreboard so far
No points for Rangers, Flyers and Lightning. Senators, Canadians, Panthers get two each Thrashers get one. Isles alone in 10th 2 points out of a playoff spot with games in hand on Ottawa and Montreal. Bruins only 3 points ahead play the Sharks late. Isles seem to have survived all these games in hand the rest of the conference had on them. Isles have only one game played more than Bruins, Flyers, Thrashers and Lightning after tonight with either even in games or a game in hand on the rest. The Isles just have to take care of their own business now and it’s pretty amazing they made up all this gound in such a short amount of time. GO SHARKS!
by rickrays on Jan 14, 2010 10:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rangers shutout by Brodeur again!
Mike that is. LOL. Has that every happened before being shutout by two goalies with the same last name on consectutive home games?
I wound not want to be Henrik’s dog when he gets home tonight.
by rickrays on Jan 14, 2010 10:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent. That’s a fine bit of trivia. Assume they didn’t get a point out of this shutout.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 14, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No points for the blue shirts tonight.
Isles only 3 points behind Rangers. Teams are equal in games but Isles hold a four game advantage in home games the rest of the season which is huge.
by rickrays on Jan 14, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is huge this year, since the Isles actually have a winning record at home!
Let Us Go, Islanders!
(Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how many times
will it take of the Rangers going scoreless for HL to start demanding a trade?
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 15, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Over the last 41 games the Isles have added 45 points in the standings
That is no small sample size and shows you that this team is not in a rebuilding mode. What is even more impressive is that only 18 of those 41 games were at home. If you factor in the increased home games in the 2nd half, better health, Olympic break rest for all the players but one and possible additions at the trade deadline this should turn into a strong three months for the Isles.
by rickrays on Jan 14, 2010 11:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That is no small sample size and shows you that this team is not in a rebuilding mode.
I totally agree that is no sample size, but I disagree with the second part. The Isles ARE in rebuilding mode and that is IMO unquestionable. What it says to ME is that the Isles are building their team the way that perpetual winners build their teams. You dont have to perpetually suck to rebuild a team.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
(Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 14, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree: it’s not a small sample but it is still a rebuild. There are too many holes that cannot be addressed with a trade.
They’re doing well — in part they look that way thanks to the last 10 games — but a point-per-game clip isn’t enough. They’d need to accelerate their pace to make it.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 15, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They would need to pick up about 20 points
between now and March 2 when they play the Hawks right before the deadline to have a realistic chance. We’ll see.
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 15, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Snow's one-line statement
Haha for those who didn’t see it: “We’re not deviating from our plan.”
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 15, 2010 12:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Of course if he was a bit more specific about the plan other than telling us he is a builder, that would be great lol.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
(Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. That’s right – at this point he can say anything “was always part of the plan. The building plan.” The Sutton Question is going to be an interesting one.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 15, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
Whether the Isles do X or Y, the answer can be, “We always intended to do that.”
Honestly, I think:
The Isles WILL make an offer for Kovalchuk!
But, it will not be a “blowing them away” offer in any way, shape, or form.
And, subsequently, they wont trade him here.
If he makes it to FA, the Isles may offer him good money…
…because they can.
Let Us Go, Islanders!
(Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta is not in a good position now to trade him
I don’t know why they waited this long. He should have been traded in the offseason. Salary cap issues for potential trade partners and the Olympic break complicate any trade for Kovalchuk. I’m sure at this point Atlanta would have few options and a trade to LI is very real.
by rickrays on Jan 15, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like their inbreeding ownership screwed it up, honestly. Contract negotiations didn’t begin until this fall. Who’s in financial control and how much capital they have is an open question.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 15, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lock up Sutton for two more years would be a very good move
Not sure if he really wants to stay here but he should
by rickrays on Jan 15, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do a post on that thought
AP77 hasn’t blown a gasket in a while. Be kinda fun to watch.
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 15, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To calm things down he says that
Regardless of what is going on with Kovalchuk one would think Snow is being aggressive and working the phones to get blueline help. Teams that might be of interest to Snow should be out west. You have some quality teams out west that might fall out of the race in the next four weeks, Dallas and Anaheim come to mind. Snow could find a good trade partner for someone looking to dump salary, trade a player who will be a UFA or someone who wants out. Sooner rather than later would be ideal for moves to be made.
by rickrays on Jan 15, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
seems to me he HAS said that they plan to build through the draft
and he’s right. Stay the course, Garth.
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 15, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember Garth has to spend about 11 million just to ge to the floor next year
That won’t be easy to do especially finding quality players to come to Long Island. Garth I’m sure is working hard right now to get a player or two fill that gap. Sutton really is the only candidate to eat up some of the 11 million but that still leaves about 7 million plus to spend and again thats just to the floor. I’m sure Snow doesn’t want to go through the retread game again.
by rickrays on Jan 15, 2010 12:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The uncertain cap (e.g. if it drops) and what other teams do to meet it will be a factor in that, too. Teams like Chicago that hold on to their guys for a playoff run will have to shed salary in the summer. So there are a few routes Snow can take to reach the floor.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 15, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just a few thoughts
love the way the teams been performing especiall on the road in different time zones coming home and destroying the wings.
love the fact that the 4th line is averaging 11min and the top lines 17-18min grat to hae all 4 lines rolling playing both great offence and defence
u ask me I think its Gordo’s system team buying into his philosphy and system. We seem to be also reasonabley healthy
Im dead set against trading for Kovy, ive been known to refer this team as the Steelers of hockey, love what snow and janks have been doing with thier drafts picks, free agency with the goalies, finding Moulson and of course picking up Shremp on waivers. Very low risk high reward moves that can only pay-off in the future.
Again refering back to the steelers they have drafted character over talent which seems to pay-off both in the locker room and showing results on the ice. Gordons system has taken a while for the new guys to learn but tey seem to b going longer and longer into games playing a full 60 min rolling the f4 lines almost balanced attack.
Now would a guy like Kovy ruin the chemistry and flow or is he the missing link that makes it better. I cant answer that but it might b what snow and janks thinks to put it over the hump.
Now heres my rumour mongering, its come to my attention that apperently Andy Sutton and Kovy are real good friends, what does Sutts do tonight (just read Bottas interview with him).
Other points being as others have noted this does have Wang written all over it.
We are on of the few teams that can afford without too much effort
was Kovy interested in coming to long island b4 the islanders lost the lottery is it just coincedence that sutton comes out praising the team, management and the city
Hey Wang does need the publicity and put the islanders on the map along with the lighthouse and some playoof hockey with a new star and a hot franchise goalie might just do it but in the end they ’ve done so well drafting youth and character that this team will end up up a winner eventually
by steelermafia on Jan 15, 2010 12:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sold on the “chemistry” (or whatever we’d call it) of Kovalchuk for the long haul, either. Outstanding shooter, dynamic scorer, but his defensive comas are amazing to behold.
Wang has certainly stunned me with decisions from left field in the past, but I’m assuming in this case he wants to stick to the plan and he wants to define where this team will play in 2015 before committing max dollars to another guy through 2020.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 15, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would go further
even IF we could get him without giving up serious assets AND even IF he would re-sign with us, I would not want him because I believe he would destroy team chemistry. Also remember that JT, Kyle, Josh, and others will become RFAs before you know it and committing to an enormous salary like his may well mean having to allow one or more of them to fly the coop. Spend some dollars on getting talented defenders this summer. That would make sense.
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 15, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kovy
Good point rick….Snow HAS to spend money. There is no way around it.
And you guys are crazy I feel talking about the rebuild chemistry and what have you. Sure we are exciting and looking good for the future. If you can package DeHaan, Tambo, Bergy and a pick why would you not do that to get a proven scorer like Ilya?
And enough with the “he wont come here” crap. Money talks. If Snow can lock him prior to completing a trade, I say go for it!!! 8 yrs/72mm should get it done.
by Tazgraz on Jan 15, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Money talks.
And it talks even louder via unrestricted free agency. I just see no reason to believe Ilya will leave where he’s been for nine years and then pass up all other options to commit to a club like the Isles after two months of exposure.
Beyond that, though, if you commit that money and term (who knows, but rumblings are that he wants even more than that and possibly more years), you better be absolutely certain he’s the character you want to build your team around tie your future to.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 15, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, I like Tambi, the kid plays a lot bigger than his height. I had to overcome a altitude deficiency myself, it can be hard convincing people that you can play with the “big” boys.
/Note unceasing sarcastic laughter in background.
by burpchelischili on Jan 15, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Things like chemistry and rebuilding may seem boring, but that is how you build a champion. Kovy IS very talented and has had many other very talented players around him in Atlanta. What has been the sum total of all that talent? Exactly one playoff appearance in which the Thrashers were swept in rather humiliating fashion by the Rangers. That is not what Garth wants or what I want. You have to be patient to build a champion. We have gone the route of bringing in the big sexy and expensive Russian star and it was a disaster that this franchise is still paying for literally. Yashin is still the highest paid forward on this team several years after the buyout. Going after Kovi would be a HUGE HUGE blunder that I hope and pray Garth does NOT make.
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 15, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have alot of options to move outside of JT, Kyle and Josh. The rest of the bunch are a bunch of 3rd and 4th line NHL players.
Look, I am very surprised and thrilled at how well we are playing right now. We have tons of heart and it shows more often than not. And I like the direction the team is going. But think about it a different way. What motivation is it going to be for JT and Kyle to sign with us long term upon the experation of their contracts? We need a new building and a superstar to take some of the heat off these developing players. Can you imagine a power play (which sucks right now) of Tavares, Okposo and Kovie? This guy can score 45 goals in his sleep.
All valid points, the above is just my opinion. No matter what happens, I am an Islanders fan for life….good times and bad……
Keep working hard boys!!!
by Tazgraz on Jan 15, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you - this is just the fun of playing fantasy GM
And I’m not going to pretend that if presented with the theoretical opportunity of adding a scorer like Kovalchuk for life, that “nah, he’s the wrong one” is a clear-cut answer. I believe in the nebulous concept of “chemistry” to a degree, and I worry about that with him, but I don’t know for certain it wouldn’t work out.
But even if we somehow knew “Kovi will sign here,” the combo of that concern (along with his defensive incompetence) and the timing makes me gun-shy. Maybe if the same opportunity came up a year from now I’d be different. The building issue hangs there, but regarding JT, Kyle and Bailey, it’s conceivable that we’d have given so much of the pie to this Russian superstar that there wouldn’t be enough left over in the Wang Wallet for them plus an adequate blueline. I might be ready to add a superstar, but I’m not ready to hitch the budget to one who looked pretty uninterested before he was made captain last year and who doesn’t feel compelled to do the work in his own zone. I guess given the choices, I want another year of development to see what we really have.
Regardless, that is the fun of it, bantering about contrasting opinions and wondering how it would all play out.
Lighthouse Hockey: Under contract through 2021, knees and hips be damned.
by Dominik on Jan 15, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if we gave up NO assets for Kovi AND he signed with us...
I still wouldn’t want him. He is a prima dona who would destroy this team’s chemistry. Look at the Rangers and any number of prima dona savior-stars they have signed for unreal megabucks or our deal for Yashin if you want a picture of how wrong a Kovi deal would be for the Islanders. P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E—-that’s what Garth needs…and seems to have.
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 15, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lets remember
the Islanders are 1of 2or3 teams that can pull of this deal finacially
Garth is holding the cards he’s not FORCED to do anything
Waddel is FORCED to do something, he might very well lose KOVY and get NOTHING in return
I can see at at trade deadline Garth saying here a
- 1st rnd pick
- Bergy
-tambi
-Jonseuu
- ness
Take or leave it – Wadell can get something or nothing remember he also has ownership looking over his back and the cap strapped Thrashers are bluffing with a long term deal – they dont have the money
Like I said there isnt teams lined up with 1st rnd picks along with 1st rnd talent and the giving up 1st rn dollars. Garth just put a lilly birdie out there to Wadell to come and see him before he does anything
Again remember Waddell can walkout of this deal with NO Kovy and NO picks or prospects in the end
by steelermafia on Jan 15, 2010 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
my dream
would be for the Rangers to give up half their franchise to get Kovi. He’d re-sign with them and they’d be stuck with each other in loserdom forever!!! Again, Higgins, Kotalik, and Roszival for Kovi on a trade and sign…along with a fat draft pick. Go for it, Sather!
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 15, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kovalchuk
I agree with keeping the young talent they have and build another dynasty from that foundation, big name/$$$ players dont work most of the time, remember when the Rangers went outand signed every big player? on paper they should have been undefeated and won the cup that year but they did’nt even make the playoffs. Let the big K make his car payments elsewhere.
by Islesfan on Jan 15, 2010 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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