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The Schremp Dossier: Views and bits on why he's an Islander

As discussed in comments yesterday, I like the Rob Schremp move: I sure wouldn't bet money on it paying off, but it's low risk, and he does possess some rare offensive talent. If it were a team in virtually any other position than the Islanders, then I'd have passed. A contender can't afford to give quality minutes to an "upside" forward who might blow assignments and cost wins for the first 30 games. But the Islanders have little pressure to win this year, plus time to experiment for the future.

Upon further reflection, I'm pretty confident he'll either learn or be shown the door by Scott Gordon. The Islanders have virtually no capital invested in Schremp -- not a draft pick, not an asset shed via trade -- so there shouldn't be any subtle organizational pressure to hang on to Schremp beyond reason if he doesn't show a new side.

This, from Gordon, is what I expect. It's just right:

"He's got incredible skill. ... He has the opportunity of a second chance. What he does with it is in his hands."

But why is Schremp here? Why is 2004's 25th overall pick now 23 and still in a Tambellini sort of state (albeit with polar opposite approaches), when he possesses puck skill that turns heads? Why were we musing about him from afar four weeks ago?

The answers are kind of funny. Or at least, the analysis by Oilers fans who have watched and agonized over Schremp the last few years is enlightening and quite entertaining. Cue the tape:

Star-divide

After crunching the numbers on Schremp's AHL performances, the stat-oriented Jonathan Willis concluded this a month ago:

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Rob Schremp is never likely to be an impact scorer at even-strength. That said ... [once he convinces an NHL team to put him on the roster], he can be a genuine help on the powerplay (one thing Schremp has always had is tremendous powerplay ability).

Around the same time (earlier this month), Lowetide had this as part of an elaborate dialog on what has gone wrong for Schremp:

I've always felt Rob Schremp was in need of an expansion draft. A brand new team looking to sell the game to a fresh hockey market could devote copious even-strength and special teams minutes to him in an effort to build the game.

[snip]

... Schremp has skills in a narrow view and scoring goals is the hardest thing to do. He contributes to scoring and a team like Edmonton might find him useful when injuries hit.

But wait. If he's on the cusp of a chance, what's held him back? Lowetide again:

Schremp's never gotten it through his head that he's not Gretzky. He's going to have to grab a shovel and start digging like pretty much everyone else, much like Daniel Cleary and Marty Reasoner did before him.

Oy. At least he says all the right things, right? His approach is good? He knows what the deal is and knows by this point an NHL job will not be handed to him? Well ... I mean, there was this at Hockey's Future, while he was still in Edmonton's camp:

"No one's going to roll out the red carpet for me -- they didn't do it when I got drafted, they're not going to do it now that I'm 23 years old and with three years in the minors," he said.

And this small sign of progress in understanding what an NHL job requires:

"I've gotten harder, more focused on my off-ice," he said. "... but there's more things you can do, like dieting and protein shakes. Working out with Sammy Gagner at that gym [Dave Gagner's gym in London, ON] has really helped me a lot. I feel great on the ice, I feel great off the ice. You know, last year I went out and saw Chad Morrow and I got all the weightlifting down, but I didn't have a good diet. I came in to camp... [pausing] I wasn't fat at camp [pause]. I didn't come in... I didn't get the best results that I could if I had been on track with everything. This time I knew I had to buckle down.

But in the same HF feature, there was also a lot of this:

"I just want to play my game and play how I can play. I just want to be able to play my game and play Rob Schremp hockey. Obviously there are things you have to work on, like defensive play and systems, but those are the things that every player has to work on."

Islanders fans, it is now time to introduce "Rob Schremp hockey" as a term in your lexicon. What that frightening yet I'm-Rick-Jamesian term comes to mean, only Schremp can determine. We wait in joyful hope.

Or maybe it was up until recently. Lowetide in a separate post around the same time:

"He didn't run his mouth during the first three seasons of pro hockey. Apparently he couldn't take it any longer. ... Schremp told the London Free Press that "you can take instructions on how to learn play-systems and traps, but I just hope my game can stay intact and I play the kind of hockey I played with the Knights."

What can you say to Rob Schremp? Someone has already told him "son, you can't play the way you did in London because you're not going to have the puck very much" or "long before they let you run the powerplay they're going to expect that you aren't going to kill them in 5-on-5 situations" or "Rob, you're just not good enough to do the things in the NHL that you could do blindfolded in junior."

I think someone should have told him how this sort of thing plays with coaching staffs. They don't give a rat's ass about what you want, they care about winning. Better or worse, a lot of what involves winning in hockey is defending.

Then there is this entirely different take, a near-eulogy from Copper & Blue writer Benjamin Massey:

I'll be convinced until my dying day that it wasn't lack of effort that held Schremp back. He spent his share of summers training with Chad Moreau and the other Mandelbaums, and the September story about how Schremp had taken power skating drills with one famous coach or another was practically a rite of passage for the Journal sports section. He'd become a star in the OHL with sub-par physical assets and he had worked hard to do it. His skating and defense improved palpably during his time in the minors.

He just wasn't good enough.

Oh, we do have quite the project on our hands, do we not?

The thing that so often happens with cases like this -- particularly in hockey mad markets -- is that a kid gets talked up to death before he even hits age 21. Even worse if there are YouTube videos touting circus-trick junk that has nothing to do with what happens in an actual hockey game. Young adults develop at different paces, and hype is a beast that knows no restraint.

So is it possible Schremp might figure some things out? Yes. But does he also appear to carry a level of hubris that does not befit his accomplishments thus far as a hockey player? Also, yes.

But this is his shot. He has a GM willing to give him a chance. He has a coach that likes smart, assertive play. If he comes in knowing there are a hundred hockey responsibilities at the NHL level that come before you actually touch the puck, he has a chance. If he comes in thinking "Rob Schremp hockey" shall entail mostly dangle and not-found-in-regulation shootout moves, then he won't be long for even the league's 30th place team.

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Good move for the Islanders

Looks like it will be a make or break year for Schremp with the Islanders.
Hopefully getting out of OIL country will do him good. McTavish was and is an egotistical know it all who is not a big fan of American players. Everyone seems to bag on Schremp for his AHL careeer, but take a look at his stats on Hockey DB.
His first year in the AHL with Wilkes-Barre he was # 3 on the team in scoring, his second year he was # 1 in scoring for the Springfield Falcons, and last year he was second in scoring for the Falcons, on a very crappy team. Clearly he knows how to move the puck around, although surely not all of his moves and dekes will work at the NHL level where he has less time to make them before he gets crushed. Negative fans say all he can do is powerplay and shootout, well last I looked shootout wins and powerplay goals could potentially make or break a team fighting for that # 8 playoff spot. A Schremp – Tavares – Streit powerplay should be able to put the puck in the net. Not sure who else you put with those guys. Sombody huge in the middle preferably. Schremp will score at least 50 points if he plays on one of the top 2 lines, and that is my prediction. If he limps along and only scores less than 10 goals and 25 points, it will back to the AHL or over to the KHL for him. Here is hoping he can make a fool of all the doubters and haters. Show em what your made of kid!

by # 21 on Sep 30, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Welcome! Is that “#21” as in Okposo?

Honestly, I wouldn’t mind at all if Schremp’s a power play specialist of sorts — the PP wins games. If he can learn to be adequate at even strength, he could pay dividends.

But high-end scorers tend to want heavy minutes to feel comfortable and in their groove; for him to get heavy minutes under Gordon, he’ll have to become a complete player.

…I wonder if his NHL club being closer to home might help (or hurt?).

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Sep 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well…at least things we talk about happening actually do occur occasionally – sorry Anton, Dennis, Dustin, Patrick and probably Jassen/Brad and Matt.

by HugoAgogo on Sep 30, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Hee hee, it’s pretty funny how this one came up. Just the right scenario and logical steps:

Very talented but tough time getting through in Edmonton … in front of a new staff there but one that wants to win now … yet he needs to clear waivers if he doesn’t make it … so which team can take that project for the chance at high-end skill? … ah, the NYI!

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Sep 30, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

btw, don’t tell Minnesota about pointless trick shots.

OT Winner

What was his original scouting report that got him drafted in the first round?

by Mark D on Sep 30, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Ugh. That goal is exactly what I was thinking of.

As far as his pre-draft credentials, he had ridiculous offensive totals with London in junior. One of those links above talked about how that team overplayed its best players, racking up numbers, but the kid clearly had/has some serious talent.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Sep 30, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure how well you know college hockey, but the goal was a Frozen Four OT game winner and I think they were in the 2nd or 3rd OT by that point.

by Mark D on Sep 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Did not realize that. I remember it from the highlights (and imitators) at the time, but I only dip into college hockey every once in a while … or when a trip to the Frozen Four is arranged. (Denver and St. Louis were fun.)

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Sep 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he’s not officially an Islander until he has a groin injury! Meanwhile, Cody H. has been sent down to the juniors, hopefully putting to rest any notion that Garth chose incorrectly when he drafted Josh (see my fanshot), Matt D. is on the Avs regular season roster after scoring his first goal, and Glen Sather managed to get through the preseason without trading away any prospects.

by BCISLEMAN on Sep 30, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

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