Islanders Alberta tour: Here be Flames. And Theo Fleury.
by Dominik on Sep 17, 2009 2:49 PM EDT
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PrintNew York Islanders at Calgary Flames
9 p.m. EDT | [Corporation of some sort] Saddledome
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Update: Still no lineup for tonight, but when it is out, you can bet it will be here. The Isles need to worry about being run out of the building by a pretty NHL-like Flames lineup tonight.
The Flames are playing in front of their home fans, debuting big summer signing Jay Bouwmeester, welcoming back fan-favorite Theo Fleury, and dressing a fairly competitive lineup. Expect an atmosphere. If the Islanders' job aspirants want to make a good impression, tonight would be a good time.
A lot of teams have made roster cuts already -- at least with juniors, plus a former Islander: Shawn Bates is gone from Colorado, though Dave Scatchard and Mark Parrish remain in Vacouver. The Islanders, to this point, have not made cuts. (Given my luck, that means they'll announce cuts right after I hit "publish" on this post.) But if you saw Calvin de Haan last night versus Edmonton, you don't want them to make cuts yet: The dreamer in you probably got a taste of why they moved up to draft him, and why he might stick around in camp awhile.
Speculating here, but the Islanders might be trying to get through this stretch of four games in four nights (including the rookie game Tuesday) to get everyone a look before making the inevitable reassignments.
This will be the official post for tonight's game, so I'll update it as events warrant. No roster yet, but if you see one, do post in comments. (I'd keep an eye on beat reporter Katie Strang's Newsday blog.) Obviously no Sean Bergenheim or Doug Weight thanks to the official launch of Groin Injury Watch. But I'd expect a lot of new faces who weren't in the lineup last night. Nathan Lawson got the full game last night; will it be our own "monster" Mikko Koskinen's turn for a debut tonight?
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Speaking of Mark Parrish
I’m beginning to wonder if it would have been worth signing that guy. I have to wonder if Weight can do it all himself and would benefit from having Parrish to take on some of the tutoring duties. As a player I would agree that Parrish is finished. He’s not what he was seven years ago.
Last he was here I really liked the fact that he was constantly communicating with guys like Bergenheim. The kids seem to like him and respect him.
Wouldn’t be a terrible thing to bring him back.
That’s true, he was a great presence then (as well as a good winger back in the day). Before he got an invite I would’ve said no way. But — and maybe this is his own job-lobbying talking — he did talk about “finally” seeing a skating coach about improving his skating over the summer.
If you think about Weight likely being out of the lineup from time to time, it gives you even more reason to think he’d be a good guy to have around.
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Bailey to Smith with the tip
1-1.
Okposo proves that he’s the biggest pair of panties in the game going after haley for a clean hit on Backlund.
Oh, you’re never livin’ that one down!
So you’re getting the feed? I got a “cannot be shown in your area,” which is bizarrely ass backward. I can’t imagine which corporate maker is vested in me not seeing this game.
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How did Haley get the instigator then?! And a 10-min. misconduct too?!
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No idea. Hit was clean
I don’t think the Ref saw it either.
I think they figured it was a hit by a Rookie and Jokinen responded so it must be dirty.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice! Moulson baby
Good to see Kipper in 2008 form.
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HAHAHA!!!!
Yup.
Embarassing for Calgary to be down 3-1 in this one.
Calgary has their starting lineup.
OHHHHH Fights!!!! Phaneud leveled Okposo.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit, a brawl
Love Morency going after Phaneuf. Can’t believe Okposo is down hurt by Frankenstein.
Biron and Kipper meeting at center ice.
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Stretcher for Okposo
How are we not getting a damned replay?
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And the camera isn’t even showing them working on Okposo. What sort of Bettman world is this?
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Late hit by Phaneuf
Ugly.
This could get ugly.
We might see our first Martin fight.
I wonder if Sutter is engaging in head hunting. Last season it was Neilson this season it is Okposo.
I know, sounds like conspiracy theory crap. But I’m beginning to wonder here.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you see Biron talking to Okposo while he was stretchered off?
I wonder that thats about?
He wanted to go after somebody.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No, missed that. I was squarely focused on Okposo’s immobilized head, fretting that a promising career has been derailed.
by Islanders Outsider on Sep 17, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to see Biron plaster someone with the waffle
Looks like what we all were concerned about has come true.
I don’t think we see Okposo till December.
I’m really pissed right now.
Gordon needs to send a message here. He can’t afford another Mottau pass here.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, yeah this could re-orient a few previews and fantasy teams.
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Strange, this is the Calgary broadcast and they won't replay the hit
Makes me wonder if it’s not as clean as the announcers claim it is.
Yeah, it’s bizarre. Welcome to Gary’s world.
Many people on Twitter saying it was a clean/legal hit, but it might be an echo chamber. I don’t see how anyone has a replay.
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That's because the annoucers are saying someone else
Who is supposedly respected in judgeing hits (Don’t remember who it is as I’ve never heard of them) claimed it was clean. This was after the announcers said Okposo was away from the puck when the hit was delivered.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope they’re not saying Robert Dirk, a very rough and hardly replacement-level defenseman from back when.
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I don't reacall
Witt was just jawing at Phaneuf when they were talking to the Refs.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Think they’re saying “Rob Kerr.” I’m drawing a blank.
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Speaking of Gary's world
I’ve never EVER seen, even on the arena feed, where they don’t replay a hit like that.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Nor a close-up of them working on an injured player! All we got were reaction shots.
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I smell a suspension coming
Somewhere on YouTube that hit will surface.
Like Mottau on Neilsen the NHL will raise hell and have it removed.
(he never hit his head rationale)
Phaneuf will get one preseason game.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if it will even get that. But yeah, if there’s any suspension, it will be the traditional worthless wrist-slap.
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I assume it’s just the arena feed, and for some reason the NHL or clubs want no replays that might show refs to be in error.
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I don't know
Last nights game was the arena feed.
Tonights doesn’t look like it.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Haley just beet the snot out of Jaffrey
and the announcer makes it sounds like Jaffrey was throwing shots.
Haley beat his ass silly.
That was hilarious! I thought there was some audio/video delay, because he was raving like a WWF guy about Jaffrey raining punches when it was Haley landing punches the other way. That’s the guy who said it was a clean hit, too, FWIW.
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MARTIN!!!!
I thought the same thing about the other fight.
These announcers are Bush league.
FIRST MARTING FIGHT!!!!
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And he was trying to get Phaneuf
I love how the Flames are protecting Phaneuf, not letting him fight for himself. Interesting “code,” this.
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Phaneuf is a wuss
They are gonna go after him come hell or high water.
As they should.
Good to see Gordon finally giving these guys the green light.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m happy with their response. I’d say it’s done … except that Phaneuf has been protected. I’d keep going after him.
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I would to
Little does that dumbass know is that this team is auditioning for a goon. Not smart to throw a hit like that in a meaningless preseason game.
Martin gets one more crack at the guy.
Gordon, after last years poor response to Mottau, has to send a message in this one.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saw a clip of that hit
That was elbow to the head and it looked like charging as well.
Dirty hit.
Did you see it?
Besides it being a dirty hit.
Okposo may have more than just a head injury. That may be some Spinal cord involvment as well. That was all head.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Moulson again!
Isles up 4-3.
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Yep, Moss. Right after Comeau’s post: Damn.
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That's OK
This has already reached embarssing for Calgary.
No excuse for them to even be down at any point to this team.
Calgary is playing a roster full of their starters. Pathetic that it’s this close for them in the third.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome back, Kipper! What was it, 3 goals on 10 shots?
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Funny to hear the announcers rationalize Kipper’s performance. They need to talk themselves into him being OK, as their strong roster rests on it.
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Anytime Jokinen is one of your "go to guys"
It’s relevant to question the heart of that team.
Calgary blows in the post season cause they don’t have any heart. They don’t dig.
Jokinen is indicitive of one those kinds of players.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I was really surprised D. Sutter bet so much on Jokinen being able to deliver when it mattered. Not only the trade and term, but the fact that squeezed them against the cap last year.
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Haley just took out Conroy and gets 2
Wonder if he was going for Phaneuf?
I hope so. Conroy’s a stand-up guy.
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What's your take on it
I saw a split second clip and it looked like elbow to the head.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks!
Hmmm…okay. I see it as circumstantial. Phaneuf was looking to destroy — skating ass first into the likely path — but the thing that sent KO off was being bumped off course at the last moment by the other Flame.
Actually, this is the worst kind of hit: When a teammate sets a screen or pushes you into a waiting hitter. I’d say Phaneuf was careless and clueless, but I don’t think he could steer away.
I can’t tell whether there was any elbow/arm action.
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I just watched that
That was ALL elbow.
His elbow is out the whole way and follows through.
Okposo probably would not have head involvment there with the arm in. He probable gets hung up and over Phanuef.
That’s a dirty hit.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess I wouldn't mind seeing OT and a shootout at this point
Just to see who Gordon picks and what moves are unveiled.
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Doesn’t look like Phaneuf leaves his feet until after contact, but he definitely got his elbow up. Even Bob Nystrom said Kyle had his head down coming across the middle.
Oh, he had his head down. But this is one of those cases I can’t fault him for — two guys pushing you from the side, the puck gets lost in tight, your head’s going to go down; it’s whether a third guy is waiting as predator that destroys you.
I’m a full believer in “Keep your head up,” but instances like this make me wonder where the alleged player respect is.
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Okposo has to keep his head up but watch Phaneuf's elbow
That was dirty and he was driving with it BEFORE he even hit em.
He even follows through with it.
I’ve never seen shoulder hits like that.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re right. I was watching Okposo’s head, but when I looked at Phaneuf the whole way, he puts his elbow up. Prick.
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He should get 12 AT LEAST for that hit
He rewound that at least 30 times just to make sure at the point of impact to where Phaneuf sets up.
Clean hit Okposo glances off the other way or gets hung up on his back.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG!!!
Watching that even more he’s linging up his elbow the whole way.
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but I am throughly disappointed in Gordon’s response. Who cares if we give up another PP goal. Someone should have been shadowing Phaneuf every time he came on the ice and nailed him.
by FireGarthSnow on Sep 17, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not honestly. There’s been four fights since then, at least two that tried to take on Phaneuf, and the rest of the game has been PP or PK, PP or PK.
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Trevor Smith in the shootout
Am I ever going to get used to seeing #77 and it not be Turgeon? I don’t think so.
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It almost reminds me of Weight’s hit on Sutter last season, only Weight kept his arm tucked in as opposed to Phaneuf who le t the elbow loose on Kyle head. Okposo was leaning forward to get the puck and wham.
Exactly. Weight, who rarely has open ice hits, knows how to make them. Phaneuf, who does very little else, does not.
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Watch that replay again
Not only did Phaneuf get him with elbow he lined it up!!!!
by Chickendirt on Sep 17, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Sick move. Kind of good for him, I guess.
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I gotta friend of mine that does the sports updates for WABC radio
I’m gonna send him that clip.
Should Garth sign a legitimate enforcer now? I starting to think my worst Tavares fears will come true, especially against teams like Philly.
I don’t know. Would Donald Brashear have prevented this? Would Brashear have done any better than Haley and Martin at trying to exact justice? In my book, as long as you have guys willing to step up in such situations, you don’t need a one-dimensional goon. But I’m in the minority there.
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