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Grading the Islanders: Doug Weight, aging mentor

With hockey's summer finally over and preseason underway, it's fitting to wrap up our 2008-09 Islanders report cards with two aging players whose wavering health and effectiveness are a major factor in how the Islanders do this year in the standings (i.e. irrespective of the long-term rebuild here).

We know Year 2 of the rebuild -- with all of its prospect exposure -- will proceed with or without Doug Weight and Brendan Witt. But if these two veterans repeat last year's poor health and (for Witt, anyway) ineffectiveness, then the Islanders 20-man lineup will be all the weaker, with a higher lottery pick all the likelier.

Today we start with the easier-to-define player, Weight. This is not the ineffective and buried Anaheim version of Weight -- but it's not the St. Louis Weight who enabled the Blues to leverage the Ducks' cap problem into center Andy McDonald, either. Three sustained lower body injury layoffs last season tell us why 38-year-old speedsters do not draw great bids in free agency: The wheels are old and unreliable.

However, if as expected he serves as a good mentor for training camp roommate John Tavares, the benefits may pay off for a decade. [Stats and usual um, poetry continue after the jump.]

Star-divide

For his mere presence as a positive-influence veteran, and his partnership with Mark Streit on the powerplay blueline, I argued for his return much of last season. Whatever he can give, I'll take it. Will it be more than last season's 38 points in 53 games? I sure hope so, but I'm not sure I should expect it.

Of course, do I want Weight talking that way? Hell no. I want Weight fully believing -- and he does:

"I’m not here to float into my late 30s. Captain or not, I’m going to contribute on the ice and lead. Who knows? Maybe I’m here for just this season, but I feel I have plenty of good play left."


Doug Weight

#93 / Center / New York Islanders

5-11

196

Jan 21, 1971

17+

1 year, $2.2 million

A good Guerin-buddy pickup, a necessary bridge in the rebuild.



GP G A P +/- PIM PPG TOI PPtoi PPpts FO% Sh%
2008 - Doug Weight 53 10 28 38 -15 55 5 18:17 4:33 21 45.1 10.4

Random Fact: Weight's power play production: 5 goals, 16 assists, 21 of his 38 points.

"This is our concern, Dude" Fact: Well, 38 years old and a history of lower body injuries on a speed-dependent player. It's huge that Weight is not a soft player, but his thirst for contact may be a health detriment at this age.

The Story: Anyone who watched the Islanders power play last year with and without Weight realizes he still has something left to give. But if one challenge of handling Weight is not overusing him and his injury-susceptible aging wheels, the converse challenge is that a skill player like him doesn't feel comfortable unless he's getting important minutes. Would Weight be happy with continued heavy PP minutes balanced by reduced exposure at 5-on-5? With the promising young centers the Islanders have, we just might find out.

About that logjam of sorts at center: Weight, John Tavares and Josh Bailey in scoring roles; Frans Nielsen in a hybrid role; Richard Park and Nate Thompson in checking roles. Those are nice problems to have. (Yes, probably the only "nice" problem the Islanders have). The official site's depth chart already lists Tavares on Weight's left wing, which is fine. But what if we get to a point where those two should switch? Or a point where Weight is no longer the best option at center? Will he be happy (and effective) in a reduced role?

At 5-on-5, Weight was middle of the pack for the Isles. Among Islanders forwards, he was an even relative +/-, not playing against the toughest opponents, often playing with better teammates. That was pretty consistent with what I expected from an aging veteran during a last-place season: There will be high points, and there will be dog days. And, of course, his share of injuries. If he stays reasonably healthy and energized by the slowly emerging Islanders talent, maybe he plays enough games and produces enough to improve on last year. If not? Well, it's been a great career.

The Poem

Passer, dancer, Weight
Mentor, guide for The Franchise
Teach him well, and soon.

The Grade: Back to the poll, voting your grade on Weight's 2008-09 season based on your preseason expectations. Me, last summer I thought he'd play a few more games yet produce at about that rate. He about met my expectations, which included being a steady presence in the locker room (I'm not a bit surprised that, of all the veterans last year, he was the one least associated with discomfort over the rebuild growing pains -- even though he, like everyone else, signed on when Ted "veterans or bust" Nolan was still coach.)

Anyway, if he met your expectations, you'd grade him in the 5-6 area. If he exceeded them, you're grading above that; fell short, somewhere below.

Finally, for discussion: How do you see his 2009-10 season proceeding? Will he be racking up points setting up Tavares? Will he be returning to IR? Steadily replaced by the rise of the prospects?

Poll
Based on your 2008 preseason expectations, how'd you grade Weight's 2008-09?
10 - Blew away all expectations
5 votes
9
7 votes
8 - Thought he was done; he proved me wrong
35 votes
7
9 votes
6 - Met expectations +
10 votes
5 - Met expectations -
8 votes
4
4 votes
3 - Thought I'd see much more of the Weight of old
0 votes
2
0 votes
1
1 votes

79 votes | Poll has closed

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Line in first session of practise in Saskatoon

was Weight, Hunter and Tavares. For whatever that is worth.

Looking forward to watching the game on Saturday night. I hope Tavares dresses.

by Rhinos on Sep 15, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks. I hope so, too.

Today’s line is reportedly Tavares/Weight/Bergenheim. Either combo gets me excited, really.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Sep 15, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Work is preventing me

from going to the morning practices. Should be a good test for the rookies against the University team. The university team is among the best in Canada and has some very good former junior players on it.

by Rhinos on Sep 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooh, thanks for that. I was wondering about that U. team. Good to know.

Work, work. Tell the employer you have other demands that require your presence at practice!

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Sep 15, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weight

  The Ilses are going to need him in the dressing room. He is not a liability.

by bcw420 on Sep 15, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m clearly on your side on that one. I’d love for him to have such a year that earns him another contract (here or elsewhere). Certainly other late-30s guys have kept it going alright recently, but I’m expecting some bumps in the road.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Sep 15, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think that there is any chance he doesn’t get traded at the deadline if he’s healthy and playing well?

by BCISLEMAN on Sep 15, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a great chance certainly, but it all depends on the market in March.

There was only a 5th-conditional-4th/3rd market for Guerin last year, who wanted to move. If that’s all there is and the Islanders have an internal reason — or, god help us, a playoff bubble reason — for wanting Weight to see the season through, do they do that again? I don’t know. Probably, but you never know.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Sep 15, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just love the quote in the picture.

But, Dom, you’ve read this particular chapter before. Weight is going to be a good guy in the room (he’s been noted as a guy who includes new/young guys in the room), a good mentor on the ice and bench and (poorly timed injury avoided) a trade deadline chip to be dealt away to a contender looking for veteran leadership, solid play and Cup-winning experience for their room/bench and second-team powerplay.

You’re not gonna get a 1stie for him like the Blues did (or McDonald), but the Isles will get a middle-round pick for him, I’d bet. Plus, he can positively influence the room while he’s there.

Good for the Isles and good for Dougie, I say.

by gallagher on Sep 16, 2009 3:15 AM EDT reply actions  

If that’s the script — and you’re right, it’s fairly inevitable — he better stay healthy ‘round trade deadline time. A repeat of his 2006 would be cool (for him … I know 1st-rounders don’t Waddell out the door anymore).

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Sep 16, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I could see Weight being here for the year. I just don’t know if he has another year in him or not. Heart counts for a lot in pro sports, but what really hits hard is the effort it takes to get out of bed in the morning.

SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon

by burpchelischili on Sep 16, 2009 5:27 AM EDT reply actions  

what really hits hard is the effort it takes to get out of bed in the morning.

That’s for damn sure.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Sep 16, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

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