Fantasy GM: Should the Islanders target Dustin Byfuglien?
The following is idle summer speculation from an observer, and not sourced by insiders or tea leaves. If you're an anonymous passer-by, please do the world a favor and don't pretend it's "a rumored to be pursuing" thing.
The Chicago Blackhawks, you may have heard, are up good and tight against the salary cap. The New York Islanders, you may have heard, are rebuilding with a focus on youth. Many are saying the Hawks need to move a salary (or two). With all that young talent in Chicago, they just may have a match in the Islanders.
If you're Garth Snow and you want to try to leverage this situation, who do you target, and who do you offer up? I'm interested in any suggestions (including compensation). But I'm thinking the slightly overpaid ($3 million per through 2010-11), hulking enigma known as Dustin Byfuglien would work. Before we dig into this, though, let's establish a few givens:
- The nature of the Hawks' situation means they have to take cheaper salary and/or picks in return. (So Andy Sutton isn't going back the other way)
- However, the Hawks don't have to deal someone -- not yet -- so they can afford to be a little picky. (So "give them Jeff Tambellini!" doesn't cut it.)
- That said, Snow should only enter this game if he can leverage the advantage -- i.e., part of what he would be giving the Hawks is cap relief, so it should be an asymmetric transaction in terms of the player assets exchanged
The Candidates
Some news scuttlebutt suggests the Hawks would deal Cam Barker or Kris Versteeg -- though that would be rather cruel after both of those players re-signed with the team even though they could have chased the open market, thanks to the Hawks office snafu that made both of them likely unrestricted free agents. Of course, if the Hawks wanted to deal Versteeg or still-promising defensemen Barker, who am I to turn them down?
Another candidate, who many Hawks fans would love to dump, is Byfuglien. While I would obviously love to pry Versteeg away, my hunch is Byfuglien, 24, is a more likely target due to his uneven development. Plus, he would provide the kind of size on the wing the Islanders sorely lack.
If you don't see many Western Conference or Hawks games, you might not know what a force Byfuglien can be -- when he's motivated -- as a big body who can bang and finish. He's the profile hockey insiders salivate over, the type who draws an uniterrupted string of "MONSTER!"s from Pierre McGuire. Of course, if you don't check in on or hear many Hawks fans, you might not realize just how frustrated they can get with him. Like a lot of big men, his development comes in stops and starts, though in his case he also had a late start on his hockey development.
Not to suggest he's on this level, but think of the Todd Bertuzzi experience on Long Island: You saw his size, saw his hands, and then slammed your head into a wall with frustration that he could never seem to put it all together. While many mourn Bertuzzi's departure, it was almost as if he was never going to "get it" until he got a change of scenery and a taskmaster coach like Mike Keenan to wake him up. Hell, Byfuglien might even appreciate talking to a guy like Clark Gillies instead of pouting.
Scott Gordon is no dictatorial Keenan, but he's no pussycat either. Once Byfuglien overcame the jolt of relocation -- and assuming his slower pace could adjust to Gordon's system -- I bet he could fit in and blossom as an important part of the Islanders, providing a mix of size and skill needed to compete in the Atlantic Division.
Whom To Give Up?
So that's my case for Byfuglien. But who do you offer? If the Hawks wanted a draft pick, I say go for it -- although not a 1st-rounder, given where the Islanders stand. But it's fair to say Byfuglien has demonstrated enough NHL ability and potential to justify a 2nd-round pick plus. The thing that elevates his value is his tantalizing size; the thing that lowers it is his enigmatic development.
If you're sending a roster player back, the one who cries out to me is Blake Comeau. Comeau's a restricted free agent, but his raise will still keep him under $1 million, representing a $2 million relief for the Hawks. An even-up right wing swap? Could work. Like Byfuglien, Comeau has potential. He also had the worst 5-on-5 GF/GA performance of any regular Islanders forward last year.
Comeau would likely excel with similar handsy forwards on the Hawks. What Chicago would lose on size (and potential) in the deal, they'd gain in cap relief.
If Chicago wants size back, do you offer Jesse Joensuu instead? Again, the Hawks lose in present-day value in that exchange, but they gain cap relief (in fact, Joensuu can be kept in the minors and off the books) and have a cheap potential power forward for the future.
I love this proposition, because it's the kind of thing that would draw reactions all over the map (from "No way! Byfuglien is gonna be great!" to "He'll never get it! Dump him now."). Frankly, I bet Hawks management would value Byfuglien more than Hawks fans do, because where fans see daily frustration, management (should) see a potential long-term piece unlike anything else in their lineup. On the other hand, the Hawks might see a chance to sell high after Byfuglien's playoff -- and demand a higher price than I'm willing to offer.
If you want to get really cute, you can take the unused (and hardly useable) ex-Islander Brent Sopel's contract off their hands, too -- but in that event I'm not giving much of value in return.
So the question: If you could poach the Hawks' roster, who do you want and who would you (realisticall) give up to get him?
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Honestly?
If I’m Garth Snow I look to sign either Tanguay or Maxim Afinogenov to try and flip one of those turkeys at the deadline. Max is three to four years removed from a 61 pt and 73 pt campaign in Buffalo. May not be the homerun signing everyone wants but might be worth trying to ressurect and can be had for a short term 1-2 year deal.
Tanguay may be in the same boat but it looks like right now has too many suitors. He’s also one year removed from a 50+ point season.
Snow needs one more draft where he compiles loads of picks before the job of restocking the system is completed. Maxim Afinogenov might be the safest value signing on the market right now that’s not gonna lock you in long term, command big money and is tolerable if he still remains a hump.
Snow is doing the right thing by giving the kids some ice time but he also has to be careful not to rush too many others. Especially Jesse Joensuu who still needs another year in Bport to improve his skating.
I can get behind that — definitely need to be patient, and picking up a UFA for trade bait really should be pursued.
Afinogenov in particular probably creates no value though, since the Sabres tried to sell him for scraps all season long and had no takers.
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Excellent
Kind of cool that the poll is running split pretty heavily three ways at the moment. Hmmm…let’s make a blockbuster trade and get all of them!
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Definitely Buff
of course I say that because I am a Hawks fan first, and an Islanders fan second. Most of the year I was calling him
“Buffs Blundering Buns of Bleah”
He really woke up in the playoffs, and became
“Buff The Luongo Slayer”
Some people are crediting that to daily doses of maturity from an older/more experienced player. Honestly, I would hate to see the Islanders get the Buff that I saw through most of the year, but I would be more than happy to see them get the Luongo destroying Buff. Having a player that can distract the goalie with someone of his size and ability could be a wonderful thing, if you can get him to move.
SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Jul 10, 2009 5:34 AM EDT reply actions
and to paraphrase Dangerfield…
Take my Sopel, please
SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Jul 10, 2009 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Take my Sopel, please
Now I know why tigers eat their young.
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Honestly, I would hate to see the Islanders get the Buff that I saw through most of the year, but I would be more than happy to see them get the Luongo destroying Buff.
Tantalizing, isn’t it? These are my favorite scenarios, because the upside/downside swing is so great. Some of these guys never figure it out; others finally do and every team that passed is kicking itself.
Buff gets more slack — or time, i guess — from me because of his back story not being the traditional “We will build you and train you from age 4 to be a pro player” sort.
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I agree that he didn’t come from the “You will be the best or die” type of back ground that create the Bobby Fischer like overachieving fragile ego. I just don’t know if the ability graft will take, or if it will be rejected. It seems to me that there have been payers who only really wake/show up in the playoffs, and he may be one of them. I kind of like the idea of the Islanders getting Buff though, if he does the “Chicago Thing” and becomes a franchise player (behind Tavares) after leaving, my second favorite team gets him. Sounds like a trade bonus for me.
SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Jul 11, 2009 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy crap
I thought I was the only one with that allegiance, albeit backwards. It was because Aucoin went to the Hawks and so I started rooting for them, and then they became my team for NHL 09, so, yeah. Go Hawks.
I’d want Versteeg, only because I think he’d be a better fit. Byfuglien (whose name I insist upon pronouncing Biff-oog-ly-en) is the antithesis of overspeed, and might really fit in as a PP specialist. I mean, he played D most of his career. Big hitter, yes. Big body, yes. Good forechecker? Not really.
Versteeg is the guy who won’t necessarily wow you, but he’ll get his stats and play solid physical hockey. To me, he’s another Trent Hunter. And that’s definitely a good thing.
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Ha
We are the few… and the quiet.
SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Jul 11, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
it’s a strange top two, but at least they’re in different conferences, right? Plus, Kane and Toews are fucking awesome to watch. I only wish we could have someone with that kind of talent. Maybe JT will be, but who knows. That was a great rebuild. Two superstars and a bunch of solid young talent. That team will be good for a decade.
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My Ultimate...
I guess I would call it a Dream, or else a nightmare, would be a Hawks/Isles SCF.
That truly would be the definition of “The Agony of Ecstasy.”
SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Jul 11, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I am a fan, but I don’t see it happening this year.
Next I hope we are living the Dream/Nightmare!
SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Jul 11, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah
My priorities are straight in that I’m rooting for the Isles in that case. But if it can’t be us, I’m pulling for the Hawks every time. Helps that I hate Detroit.
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Heh,
around here, not hating detroit calls for those wonderful men with white jackets. They bring a coat that has long sleeves that help you hug yourself!
SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Jul 12, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Dual allegiances and general bigomy
Ha, funny scenario with you two. PSU, don’t know if you’ve seen any post where I’ve referenced my split allegiance to the Isles and Blues (which I know is not acceptable to a Hawks fan). Both allegiances were allowed to develop unhindered thanks to their interests never intersecting. Separate conference, rarely needing points at the same time … if they ever made the finals together I think I’d go to a closet somewhere and sob in existential crisis.
I always pronounce it “Buh-fugly” to myself, though I’d have to relent if he came to the Isles.
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Truthfully, I just can’t find it in myself to work up a good Mad-on for the Blues, not like I have for detroit. I have even been known to root for the Blues, when the Hawks are out of the playoffs. I am also a Cubby that does not hate the Cards, but I never want to hear about the red suxs or the yankees again.
Note: I am not trying to start a baseball flame war, I am only stating MY preferences. I freely admit that other people do not have the same likes and dislikes as me and I like it that way. I also am not saying anything about the fans, I am merely stating which teams that I do/do not root for.
I pronounce Buffs name a lot of ways, but I usually have to go back and read the rules for the site that I am on, some of them are just not ready for mixed company.
SHOOOOOOOT IT!!!! Anon
by burpchelischili on Jul 13, 2009 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh it is ON now! Flame war commence… ;)
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While Versteeg is easily the most sexy of the proposed trade bait, he may cost more than the Isles should be willing to give up at this point in time. Adding Sopel and Buff or Barker may work out well for the Isles though. Even with Sopel’s rediculous $2.33M cap hit, the team can eat that number for the next two years then replace it with a UFA or prospect in need of a raise at a time they should be pushing for a playoff spot. In a way, it would be like the Capitals replacing Kozlov ($2.5M cap hit) with Knuble ($2.8M cap hit) this offseason.
Either way, the addition of Buff or Barker would be an instant and long term upgrade and would be inline with the rebuild/youth movement. Great post.
Thanks. I agree the price Versteeg would require probably puts him out of the equation. Given their value and place on the depth chart, I’m sure the Hawks would rather part with Buff or Barker first, which would make the price more palatable for the Isles.
The key for me is that any of them instantly upgrades the Isles at that position (a nice testament to the talent disparity here), so it’d be worth pursuing. I wouldn’t even mind taking Sopel on — the Islanders blueline is not known for maintaining health, and I’m not sure I want to see 2-3 rookies rushed up into emergency duty this year.
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They almost have to target Byfuglien now , as Montreal signed Travis Moen to a three year deal. Garth is asleep at the switch again. Other rumor is Sutton to Phoenix for Jovo. Snow better wake up and get some protection for JT. Rookies aren’t going to be enough. Moen was a good penalty killer as well. Pfffft.
You knew this was coming, didn’t you Dom?
by FireGarthSnow on Jul 10, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You knew this was coming, didn’t you Dom?
Heh, knew your complaint was coming, or knew the options would be limited? :)
Despite my better senses, the Sutton-for-Jovo option intrigues me. Jovo at least carries a meanness to him. Sutton, though, had ironically good defensive stats in the few games he played last year. (Small sample size, or a reflection of his summer conditioning?)
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4.5 million for 3 years would have been worth it. he can skate for a big guy. Montreal knew they had an undersized team and went out an did something about it. Would’ve been a cheaper option than Buff as well. Eh, that ship has sailed and the cupboard is bare.
Pure salary dump for Phoenix with the other deal. Jovo has a better shot as well. Him and Streit on the PP points would be great. Sutton still looked slow, seeming two steps behind. Just don’t think Wang will take on anymore salary until the Lighthouse deal is settled one way or another. The roller-coaster ride this summer continues.
What’s the hold up with JT’s contract? The signing bonus?
by FireGarthSnow on Jul 11, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
4.5 million for 3 years (Moen) would have been worth it. he can skate for a big guy.
Agree there. That’s hardly even an expenditure at that price. You may be right about spending any money before the Lighthouse is clearer; has rumored interest in any of the bigger free agents been sincere?
I think JT’s contract is just a rubber-stamp formality, so there’s almost no rush. The CBA has these really circumscribed, so I bet when they do get it done they’ll even save the announcement for the right PR day.
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