NHL Free Agency: Islanders need a goalie, continued patience
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In the Puck Daddy roundtable before the draft, I had to chirp my belief that Garth Snow's rebuild process -- while painful and necessary -- also included lots of "easy" decisions. Granted, fan relations-wise, it's not exactly easy to let free agent wingers like Ruslan Fedotenko walk when your team lacks scoring and size. It's not exactly easy to tell the fans to wait, be patient, let the kids develop and stop clamoring for the short fix.
But roster management-wise, those are the easy decisions because it's so obviously what the Islanders needed to do. The really tough, legacy-defining decisions don't come until you're on the cusp of contention, you've accumulated a lot of prospects, and you have to decide which ones to trade for short-term help, and which ones to commit years and sizable cap money to. Those are the decisions that have no clear right answer -- until 20/20 hindsight and fan vitriol (or coronation) kicks in.
(Example: Penguins acquire Bill Guerin, lose in first round, as Guerin has his "second San Jose" playoff rental experience. Inevitable fan reaction: "Why did Shero think that washed-up Islander would make a difference?!" Contrast with what really happened: Pens get Guerin, win Cup. "Genius! I knew he'd fit on Crosby's wing!" It's a fine line sometimes. [Update: Incidentally, the Penguins have re-signed Guerin.)
The Islanders won't be in that "really tough decision" position for a while, which is why -- like last summer -- I am again relaxed at the approach of free agency Wednesday. Snow has one must-have: an NHL goalie capable of sharing the load for the recovering Rick DiPietro, and carrying the load if DiPietro gets hurt again. But even that won't make or break next season, which is still about development, patience, and stocking the system -- with the bonus of some exciting kids and winning some games we shouldn't. Snow can lie in the weeds for a Mark Streit-coup, but the Boewmeester's and Heatley-sales of the world are the wrong price at the wrong time for the Islanders.
That said, here's a quick look after the jump [below the poll if you're on the front page] at where the Islanders stand. Weigh in with comments on who you'd like (or stay away from) and vote in the poll.
Pending UFAs: F Andy Hilbert, C Mike Sillinger, F Dean McAmmond, enforcer Mitch Fritz, C Mike Iggulden, F Kurtis McLean (already signed in Europe), C Ben Walter, D Thomas Pock (already signed in Switzerland), D Joe Callahan, D Chris Lee. G Yann Danis, G Joey MacDonald.
Hilbert was useful but should likely be let go. Sillinger wants to come back from hip surgery somewhere, but it's hard to see it happening here. Fritz wants to return, but will Gordon want an enforcer he only uses a couple minutes a game? Will Snow-Gordon go with an enforcer shuttle from Bridgeport again, to protect against the Philadelphia Flu? On defense, Callahan was well-received last season. It appears the Islanders will look elsewhere in goal.
Pending RFAs: RW Blake Comeau, C Trevor Smith, F Jeremy Colliton. C Nate Thompson, D Jack Hillen, D Jamie Fraser. G Peter Mannino.
No news yet on qualifying offers, but Comeau and Hillen are in the long-term plans, Smith -- who I will eventually forgive for wearing Turgeon's #77 -- and Fraser could be, too. Chris Botta said Mannino will not receive a qualifying offer. (We'll always have Chicago, Peter.) Colliton has already gone to Sweden.
Salary Cap Space - committed: Just under $33 million committed. They'd need around $7.8 - $8 million to get to the cap floor, which shouldn't be hard. As always, a huge credit to NHLnumbers for these numbers.
Key Needs: It sounds like Islanders followers are in agreement on the need for a 1A goalie via free agency. As James Mirtle has already pointed out, the market for goalies is flooded. The Islanders could also use another winger with size, or one capable of fighting and playing a regular shift. Although I think this need is a little overstated; John Tavares isn't made of glass.
Potential Targets: Craig Anderson, Scott Clemmensen, Ty Conklin, Antero Niittymaki ... Yann Danis? Please don't ask about Nikolai Khabibulin, or suggest taking Miikka Kiprusoff's giant contract off of Calgary's hands. Wrong guy, wrong price, wrong time.
Physical forwards: Free agent wingers are either out of our league or not that impressive. I'm fine with the Islanders developing their own power forward (although, that would require actually drafting one) or waiting to get one later. Do they need some enforcers so that Tim Jackman isn't always forced into the police role? Sure, I guess -- but I'd rather not devote ice time to an outside enforcer. Candidates for wingers with grit I'd pull out of a hat would include Brad Winchester [edit: Winchester's been re-signed] or Dan Hinote from the Blues, Colton Orr just to fire a shot at the Rangers, Mike Rupp just to ... meh. But not Chris Neil, not David Koci, not anyone else who either fights but can't play, or plays but fights less than you'd like.
On defense, Garth Snow has hinted he is settled -- which doesn't make me happy. But the Islanders do already have six NHL contracts on the blueline -- nd that's before Hillen is re-signed. I guess Rumsfeld would say you go in with the blueline you have, not the blueline you want.
That said, some will still covet a flirtation with local boy Mike Komisarek. I myself was intrigued by that notion a few times earlier this season -- then I heard his rumored asking price. $4 - $6 million for a stay-at-home defenseman? Uh, pass. I bet he's lucky to get $4 million. This era does not afford such silly money for a blueliner who is not part of the offense. That salary slot absolutely must be reserved for an elite two-way blueliner.
The Rest of the Atlantic: The Flyers have their Chris Pronger, but as ever the question will be between the pipes. The Devils need a coach, and may lose John Madden or Brian Gionta. The Penguins won the freaking Cup, but they have decisions to make on their ex-Islanders and blueline. The Rangers have Nik Antropov to sign, and/or giant contracts to shed if possible.
Bottom Line: I never expected the Streit signing last summer, and I sure don't expect another steal this year. The Islanders need to be patient, develop the kids -- and strike if a great opportunity comes available.
But I've made assumptions you may dispute. Let me know in comments. Am I being too forgiving about next year? Are there smart pieces out there Snow could add that help the long-run? Are you of the belief a better enforcer is needed, pronto? And I know many of you weighed in at the end of the season or in recent weeks, but what do you want the goaltending to look like?
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I didn’t realize the Isles already had 6 Dmen signed, but I think Chelios is a perfect fit. Two year contract for next to nothing, with the thought of having him taking a coaching position or office position next season. Obviously this is counter to what I said about Weight, but it seems as though Dmen can keep going well past their prime. Coffey went from being one of the all time Offensive Dmen to a solid Defensive Dman over his career.
Out of the Goalies my preference is Nittymaki. Anderson doesn’t have enough NHL time, Clemmensen is a system goalie and Conklin couldn’t get it done in Detroit. Nittymaki started a lot of games for the god awful Flyers team from two years ago. He shouldn’t break from the losses and he does have a Calder Cup win under his belt. Anderson might have been helped by having one of the best dmen in the league on his teams.
Chelios?! There’s a name I didn’t expect to hear. I didn’t see him much this past season, but boy were the reports unflattering. Closer to 50 than 40, his usefulness may have hit its limit. Her certainly would add spice to the locker room, though. I don’t know how desperate he is to keep playing. Of course I think they invited him to Olympic camp? So someone (Burke) values his presence. Heh.
I’d be happy with Nittymaki. Possibly a “change of scenery” boost. Anderson’s save percentage was outstanding with Florida, miserable with Chicago. Late bloomer? Bet the Isles will go with a cheaper option.
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He was rather upset about not playing during the Playoffs, and he did break his leg so thats why he missed most of last season. I think he wants to prove that he can still do it, and what better place for a legend to die then the island?
Heh, he could be a “I want to die on the job” kind of guy.
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And there you go: Chelios wants to come to the East. Not sure if a project like the Isles is what he has in mind, but he clearly wants to keep playing.
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D-men
For the record, the six NHL contracts on the blueline:
- Streit ($4.1M, four more seasons)
- Witt ($3M, two more seasons)
- Sutton ($3.5M, UFA next summer)
- Martinek ($1.4M, $1.9 the next)
- Gevais ($800k)
- Meyer ($600k, UFA next summer)
Obviously Meyer’s salary is easily waived or eaten, if they want to make room for someone. Hillen’s salary was around $875k, and a qualifying offer will bump hip up.
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Meyer they can stick in BPort if need be
He’d have to clear waivers and could prove problematic if our D gets whacked with the injury bug again. Overall I hope the addition of JT opens up the offense a bit so they aren’t constantly chasing the puck in their own zone and getting crushed from behind.
I have to wonder if Hamonic gets an invite to camp this season.
P.S. I checked on the Hillen qualifier (which we should be hearing about soon?), and it has to be a minimum 5% bump at that salary.
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I think with no impact players in next years draft and the pipeline needing another year
It’s smart to pass on this UFA period. I’m not big into spending in the UFA market if that’s your source for immediate impact players. You wind up doling out a ton of money and offering longer contracts than you can justify.
Even if the Isles went after the Sedins it’s pretty clear that they need a lot more than those two. Next years draft looks to be uninspiring so they are better off waiting.
Besides, with guys like Hamonic, Ness and now Dehann it looks like we have quite a battle for some spots on D in a few years.
There’s also Rahkshani ready to come up after his senior year and we don’t know what’s going to happen with Joensuu (which is the justification for passing on Kassian).
I think it’s alo woth waiting to see what Trivino turns into and if Petrov develops and comes over here.
That’s pretty much where I am. They need to keep giving the kids exposure. Better health, better goaltending plus Tavares and Year 2 for Bailey and Okposo, and already this season should be more enjoyable than 2008-09.
We suddenly have a lot more intriguing kids to follow in Bridgeport, too.
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Yeah, there's also the problem that we don't enitrely know
what these kids are capable of yet to be throwing money around at UFAs as well.
On a line with Tavares or Okposo we don’t know how well these guys will gel and what they can do offensivly before putting a policman on that line or a power wing that can also score goals.
Could be that they need neither and the team can get away with a smaller skilled player to fill in the gaps.
Bailey should be interesting as well. I think anywhere from 40-50 pts is realistic for him this season. I think more time is needed to dtermine his goal scoring ability and what kind of center he rounds into.
The whole center situation should be interesting. Weight-Bailey-Tavares-Nielsen? Lotta talent there, and not a grinding/checking center among them. Gordon should have some fun.
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Considering Weight was going to be traded if not for being injured, how long do you think the Isles will keep him?
I’ve been wondering about that. He has to walk into this season as Trading Chip #1. I mean if the other three develop at a reasonable pace, and he stays healthy … come trading deadline he’s got to be on the move.
I bet even if the Isles were somehow on the playoff bubble, Snow would do it.
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Damn
If only there were an NHL-ready power forward available when the Islanders picked at #12. . . .
LOL I think they are looking at Joensuu to fill in that role at some point
He still needs a lot of work.
I actually think the Dehaan pick was a smart move. Only about 2-3 seasons left of Streit and if this kid pans out hopefully fills in that gap.
They needed to shore up and balance out the D in the system. Dehaan fills that piece and is considered one of the D that will get added to the WJC squad on team Canada.
Next ew drafts you’ll probably see them start to pick more size on the wings and on D. Looks like they got some skill in the system now to go along with it.
Ha. Remains to be seen, but I’m just not buying that he’s an NHL-ready power forward if he’s available at 12. Would I like him? Sure. But not to try to step in this year. The organization needs size overall, but it’s crazy talk to say they could have added size for this coming season in this draft.
I was a little skeptical based on the rankings, but I’m alright with the de Haan pick, if that’s who they wanted and they feel they know him well enough to make that bet. Once you’re up there and you’ve used the late-round picks to get there, make sure you get your guy. (So the theory goes.)
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Any reason for the Islanders not to throw the entire bank at Cammalleri?
Other than the fact that it would be a futile effort, that is.
Oh, well in that case … sign him up!
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One factor is the almost certainty that the cap will go down next season, as the economy will fully factor into this coming season, possibly reduced ticket sales, etc. from other teams. With a lower cap, the upper teams may be forced to waiver a few of those middle tier players( the Jiri Hudlers of the league) to get under the cap/ keep their stars. Plus, if he doesn’t sign or get traded, Kovalchuk will be a FA as well. Except for a goalie, Garth should wait, unless he feels like paying off the 13 million for the Twins.
Other teams' cap problems
That’s in the back of my mind for next year. If the Islanders make reasonable progress in Year 2, and IF the cap goes down next summer, I could see them being in position to take another team’s cap problem. A quasi-free acquisition like that would be a nice boost, almost like when Osgood fell into the Isles’ laps lo so many preseasons ago.
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Goalie
I think Clemmenson or Conklin is the best fit. Nittymaki may not but tough enough to withstand the shelling our goalies will take. Clemmenson is one that will last and be suitable support for Ricky.
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Bonjour,
It’s nice to be back stateside. Had a blast up north with Les Habitants in Montreal. Just thought I’d throw my two cents on the free agent debate which I’ll be writing about tonight along with a Draft Weekend Recap.
I have but two players to suggest and both wouldn’t be that terribly hard to come by when the UFA frenzy opens tomorrow.
Craig Anderson- He’s looking for #1 minutes. So give him a platooning role with DP and let’s see what he’s got. You should be able to land him for a ballpark figure of $3 mil.
Chris Neil-fills the role of being a big body presence and fighting with hands that the Islanders kind of need. Will come cheap as well probably not topping $2.5 mil.
In my mind, these are the two guys you target. A goalie looking to prove his worth and a big man who has been known to have a scoring touch, that is craving for a scenery change. Let me know what you think.
It’s good to be back.
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I agree, Neil fits the profile of someone they could target if they’re looking for a quote “enforcer” who can play a bit. I’m not really a fan, so it would take some personal adjustment on my part.
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Free Agent Possibilities for the Isles
I think it would be imperative for the Islanders to get two good defensemen, and a goalie. I think they need some insurance for DiPietro. Manny Fernandez would be ideal, as would Andersen from the Panthers. Maybe sign Bouwmeester? After all, Calgary just owns the negotiating rights.
Here’s hoping they can build on this momentum for Tavares and get a new building. I highly doubt the Islanders will move, especially considering Gary Bettman pretty much let it be known with the Phoenix situation that unless it’s dire circumstances, no more teams will be moved. He needs to put his money where his mouth his. If he lets the Islanders move, that will be a dark day for the National Hockey League.
What did you think of the whole Jim Balsillie-NHL knock down, drag out affair?
I disagree with the d-men and Fernandez.
After giving Hillen a QO (today or tomorrow) the Isles will have 7 NHL-ready d-men under contract. I doubt you’ll see any type of movement there.
Fernandez will command somewhere in the ballpark of $4-$5 mil and the Islanders simply cannot pay a 1A that much money. Plus, with Manny’s injury history, he’s almost as bad as DP. I’d rather go with a young up-and-comer like Anderson or even a journeyman vet like Ty Conklin who will only require between $2-$3 mil to sign and will be a better fit.
Although, I don’t know if I’d mind seeing Marty Biron come here….?
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by IslesOfficial on Jun 30, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Is Manny even still playing next year? I remember seeing scuttlebutt that he might not even continue after this year, with his injury history. (Standard speculation dislaimer there.) His stats are nice, though.
There’s just no chance in hell that JayBo is leaving Florida, a club in flux, for the Islanders, a club in even more flux. (Though I agree, Bettman will probably move a mountain to keep the Islanders here.)
The thing with Biron, it sounds like he’s expecting DiPietro money. Awk-waaaard…
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A little behind on the news that JayBo’s rights were traded?
I think Manny looks like he’ll give it a try next season, but his best years were with the wild in a defense first system.
I was thinking Biron would be perfect in Detroit to push Osgood, but appearently they still have faith in Ozzie. Biron will end up helping to make a team a contender. I’m thinking Washington or Chicago.
A little behind on the news that JayBo’s rights were traded?
No no, to clarify: JayBo clearly wasn’t interested in staying in Florida, despite ample opportunity to do so dating back to last summer. Not a hockey market, not competitive, not Canada — whatever his reason, my point is I don’t see him waiting out that entire process to free himself from Florida only to sign with the Islanders. Clearly money isn’t his only issue (although he shares so little it’s hard to know exactly what is). That’s all.
Sounds like Chicago is serious about bringing Khabibulin back; Washington is a bit crowded in goal. I don’t know where Biron is gonna get his money. Detroit would be interesting, but they keep a frugal goalie budget, too.
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ahh, I misread you on JayBo.
Really? Wasn’t Chicago trying to trade him during half the season? Obviously Bulin’s a cup winner and he had a good run in the playoffs, but I get the feeling that he is extremely close to being done.
Yeah, I don’t get how/why they’re trying for Year Two of their goalie crowd, but that’s the word. One of the national reporters (can’t remember who in this frenzy) says they hope to sign him and trade Huet.
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The Goalie Options
Btw, I’m loving the various opinions we have here on the backup/1A goalie options. Obviously a lot of strong opinions about these candidates.
What’s great is their career stats have quite a bit of fluctuation, so it’s hard to predict what we’re really getting in any of them. (Hmmm, that gives me an idea for a post…)
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ufa's i'd target
I wonder what kind of offers Mike Knuble is going to get…he’d look good in orange and blue. I watched alot of wild games this year and was very impressed with Kurtis Foster…i know you guys have already discussed dmen but that would be an ‘unde-the-radar’ type pick to add to our d-man depth when meyer pulls his groin and witt takes his 20th slapper in the face. Anyway those would be two that i’d make a play for.
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to add to our d-man depth when meyer pulls his groin and witt takes his 20th slapper in the face.
Ha, so true. They’re going to have injuries, it makes sense to have more D-men at the ready. But I guess they’ll need some that can clear waivers (well, Meyer works) or are on two-ways, since the injuries won’t begin until the first puck in training camp.
Foster’s a nice player though. Knuble … why do I feel like he’s going to end up at MSG?
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7 Defenseman
I still think Komisarek gets an offer. If he wasn’t from LI I doubt they would try anything but he is a local guy, and can provide toughness and they HAVE to spent at least 8 million dollars to get to the minimum cap. Besides Streit the rest of the D are place fillers for whoever looks promising out of Ness Katic Niemi Harmonic and De Haan, all puck moving defensemen. Thus adding a big blueliner might be a good idea, even if it is a year early. I think 4-5 million is way too much money but look at what they paid Sutton, and he sucks.
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You’ve got a point. If you get Komisarek on a long-term deal (maybe even on a backloaded one?), you’re essentially preparing for the next two years as Sutton and then Witt expire. And that checks meeting the cap floor off the list. (With Tavares and others to sign, they’ll be getting up there.)
I fear Komisarek becoming, well, another Sutton/Witt in a few years. But it’s true they will need a big body back there. And free agency is where you buy what you haven’t drafted or can’t swap in.
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IMHO
And it truly is only that. You won’t see a defenseman get picked up by the Islanders today. Sure they might make offers, but don’t expect any to come to fruition.
Of the free agent d-men on the market I’m sure the Isles will take a gander at Komi, but I’m not holding my breath because most likely it will take a “significant” hometown discount to get him here.
If they are to pick up a d-man today, I would be most interested in Francois Beauchemin or Steve Montador. Reliable and steady 3-5 guys who can play the point on a 2nd PP unit and be out there for the penalty kill.
I don’t think it would really behoove the Isles to go past $3.5 mil for a d-man in this player’s market.
Check out my site for who I think the Isles might pick up today (pretty much b/c it’s early and I’m lazy, LOL!)
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 1, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Beauchemin would be fantastic, a real coup. He’d be worth going outside the plan for — so of course it won’t happen, heh.
Pretty much in your court on Komi. Don’t see it happening, and if his rumored asking price is correct, I’d be fine with that. I think you invest that kind of money in a Streit — someone who keys your offense as well as D — rather than a one-dimensional blueliner.
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